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SoldierandWife 10-29-2007, 11:59 PM I have someone named Riley's Mom accusing me of having duplicate accounts. Even though I explained that I made an account as jul418, which I promptly forgot tha password to, so created my current account.Matter of fact I never even go tot post under it. It was no more than 2 weeks ago. And then my friend who also recently joined this forum brought her laptop over while we visited and logged on to this forum. When she logged off I logged in on her computer to post and then I got 2 emails from Riley's Mom. But she is so aggressive even though I explained about the jul418 account and why another account would have my IP address even for a short time. Is there a moderator that can explain the whole IP thing to her. Our FRG does this alot we travel around to each others houses with our laptops then log in to the wireless internets. That way we wont miss our SO's on Yahoo or whatever. She basically accused me of being a liar.:shock
RockstarMom 10-30-2007, 12:00 AM She is a moderator.
ETA- the reason she is probably emailing you is because multiple accounts are not allowed and it may have seemed suspicious to her to see your IP pop up under different new names. Shouldn't this have stayed in PMs?
JKirstiH 10-30-2007, 12:01 AM OMG ummm really? I am sure Riley'sMom was trying to help.She is NOT mean.
tifflovezyou 10-30-2007, 12:01 AM THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS THREAD, BUT PLEASE GO BACK TO YOUR RUDE POST TO MY THREAD AND REPLY.
tifflovezyou 10-30-2007, 12:03 AM Shes a MOD, HELLO.... She can saywhat she wants, she isnt attacking you, shes managing the boards. To trey, your awesome, nuff said :D
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 12:07 AM :rofl omg this is to much in one night
Pebbles 10-30-2007, 12:08 AM Rileysmom is our SOS detective.
If she is PMing you, not harassing you, she probably has very good reason to. She doesn't do harassment.
JKirstiH 10-30-2007, 12:10 AM :rofl omg this is to much in one night
I know...I need to be asleep but can't pull myself away.:postwhore:postwhore
Kiser'sBabe 10-30-2007, 12:10 AM :blahblah
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 12:11 AM I know...I need to be asleep but can't pull myself away.:postwhore:postwhore
I don't remember the last time I've laughed as hard as I have tonight. It's like the crazies are all over the place.
kiwijus 10-30-2007, 12:11 AM This really should have remained in PM's.
Multiple accounts are not allowed.
It's kind of awkward though, when you and jinji or whoever are never logged in at the same time.
For the sake of our own protection, not to mention (I'm SURE you know, since you're so into your FRG) OPSEC, we simply cannot allow "trolls" or people who come to induce drama onto our boards. We also cannot have people on more than one account for the same reasons.
Surely, you understand personal safety and OPSEC..
Veronica 10-30-2007, 12:12 AM There is most likely a REASON she got a "flag" on you, hun. And like Rockstarmom said, its protocol. Pull your chonies out of your crack :D
Julianne 10-30-2007, 12:12 AM :rofl omg this is to much in one night
omg i agree!!!!!!!! :yahoo
kiwijus 10-30-2007, 12:13 AM Even though I explained that I made an account as jul418, which I promptly forgot tha password to, so created my current account.Matter of fact I never even go tot post under it.
...Why didn't you just have a new password e-mailed to you? Did you forget your e-mail too?
Julianne 10-30-2007, 12:14 AM I know...I need to be asleep but can't pull myself away.:postwhore:postwhore
I have 9 puddles of dog puke waiting to be cleaned up :lol
CoffeeGirl 10-30-2007, 12:16 AM Rileysmom is our SOS detective.
If she is PMing you, not harassing you, she probably has very good reason to. She doesn't do harassment.
well said:yes
AirmansPrincess 10-30-2007, 12:17 AM :lmao keep this goin and i can stay up until 230 am when DB wakes up to go to work!!! hahahaha
kiwijus 10-30-2007, 12:19 AM I have 9 puddles of dog puke waiting to be cleaned up :lol
That goes RIGHT to the top of the TMI list lol :sick
AshleyReida 10-30-2007, 12:19 AM are we all PMSing or something???? This is the most entertaining night on SOS i have EVER seen
Julianne 10-30-2007, 12:20 AM full moon perhaps?
Brandi 10-30-2007, 12:20 AM Feel free to forward me the emails to Brandi@MilitarySOS.com and I'll take a look at them. She's a part of our staff, in charge of handling accounts that are flagged as having more than one username. So, I don't think she meant any harm, she was just trying to do her job. :)
Donna 10-30-2007, 12:20 AM :popcorn
AshleyReida 10-30-2007, 12:21 AM full moon perhaps?
is it a full moon???
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 12:21 AM Personally after reading her post in Tiff's thread I just think she has a stick up her ass but thats JMO :shrug
AshleyReida 10-30-2007, 12:21 AM :popcorn
hehe-exactly
JKirstiH 10-30-2007, 12:22 AM is it a full moon???
:moon:moon
AshleyReida 10-30-2007, 12:22 AM Personally after reading her post in Tiff's thread I just think she has a stick up her ass but that JMO :shrug
is there a link?
tiff has enough to deal with tonight...
Julianne 10-30-2007, 12:23 AM :lmao :lmao :lmao donna can you pass some popcorn? i am starving
AshleyReida 10-30-2007, 12:23 AM :thanks:hystericlaugh:moon:moon
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 12:23 AM is there a link?
tiff has enough to deal with tonight...
http://militarysos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109901&page=4 She would be post #40
Amanda011784 10-30-2007, 12:24 AM I have 9 puddles of dog puke waiting to be cleaned up :lol
STILL?!
Come on. paper towels... or old towels you can throw away.
what is up with the dogs?
Julianne 10-30-2007, 12:25 AM STILL?!
Come on. paper towels... or old towels you can throw away.
what is up with the dogs?
i covered one puddled with a couple paper towels... there's flour poured over 2 other piles.... the rest i haven't gotten to yet. no clue what's wrong with the dog. everytime i bring him back in he pukes again... i feel bad leaving him outside in the cold but i don't know what else to do with him
marinewife_sd 10-30-2007, 12:25 AM are we all PMSing or something???? This is the most entertaining night on SOS i have EVER seen
:agree :wow I have no other comment
Devinn 10-30-2007, 12:26 AM Personally after reading her post in Tiff's thread I just think she has a stick up her ass but thats JMO :shrug
yeah I saw that...and all I have to say is...
:fu :flippa
but thats JMO
Veronica 10-30-2007, 12:27 AM :moon:moon
whoa, TWO full moons!!!!
Julianne 10-30-2007, 12:27 AM what planet are we on?
AshleyReida 10-30-2007, 12:29 AM http://militarysos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109901&page=4 She would be post #40
wow-
ok gotta watch some tv now...it's been fun!:oogle
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 12:30 AM wow-
ok gotta watch some tv now...it's been fun!:oogle
have fun!
SoldierandWife 10-30-2007, 12:30 AM Shes a MOD, HELLO.... She can saywhat she wants, she isnt attacking you, shes managing the boards. To trey, your awesome, nuff said :D
I know she is a MOD, but is doesnt sem she was understanding what I was explaining. My way of asking someone to help out withthe situation. But I understand now from the responses why I ws contacted by her in the first place. Thank You.
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 12:31 AM I know she is a MOD, but is doesnt sem she was understanding what I was explaining. My way of asking someone to help out withthe situation. But I understand now from the responses why I ws contacted by her in the first place. Thank You.
Two accounts not allowed...simple as that.
rosebud* 10-30-2007, 12:34 AM I know she is a MOD, but is doesnt sem she was understanding what I was explaining. My way of asking someone to help out withthe situation. But I understand now from the responses why I ws contacted by her in the first place. Thank You.
of all the people to quote you chose her, despite the fact that Brandi the owner of the site said something in here. :rolleyes
go back and read
:popcorn
rosebud* 10-30-2007, 12:36 AM harassment means being pm'd multiple times a simple I notice you have two accounts isn't harassment. Although I would have to say your post in Tiff's thread probably didn't help you none as far as getting help.
tifflovezyou 10-30-2007, 12:37 AM It has NOTHING to do with me, damn, Its because you have 2 screen names :duh
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 12:37 AM harassment means being pm'd multiple times a simple I notice you have two accounts isn't harassment. Although I would have to say your post in Tiff's thread probably didn't help you none as far as getting help.
You're probably right...as of right now I'd like to :spank:pickfight
rosebud* 10-30-2007, 12:44 AM It has NOTHING to do with me, damn, Its because you have 2 screen names :duh
I know, but now she brought you into it and i might have to go all :kungfu on her.. :giggle
Rileysmom 10-30-2007, 12:46 AM Here are the PM's (which I kept to PM's until now), because I don't need my name being drug through the mud by this lady:
Originally Posted by Rileysmom
Hi, I just wanted to let you know that having different screen names is not allowed. Please choose one screen name, and I will delete the other two. Thank you for your cooperation.
Trey
Originally posted by SoldierandWife
If I have another account I am not aware of it. Though I did try to register and I forgot the password.So that may have led to a duplicate account. Also, right now I am using a friends computer which may lead to a duplicate ip address??? Sorry for the confusion. The ony account that I have is SoldierandWife I would hope you wouldnt delete my account with out verifying this information first.
Julie
Originally Posted by Rileysmom
So jul418 is the name that you forgot the password to? What about jenijill? All of these names are registered to this IP, and we do not allow duplicate screen names, which is why I asked before deleting.
Originally posted by Soldierandwife:
Yes jul418 would have been the other account that i couldnt remember. Jenjill would be a friend from my FRG. Who eats dinner at my house everynight and whose laptop computer was logged into my wireless internet service. We never log off our computers, as our husbands are down range. So if she comes over here she is on my internet, which in turn explains the duplicate IP address. Becasue I logged into this board to post response. You seem very aggressive about this. But feel free to call me (edited for phone number and full name). There should be a record of her logging in at her house earlier. Is it standard to cantact someone like this, becasue I feel like I am being attacked? Matter of fact I know she was posting on this board before she cam to my house last night. This is really strange, because you are so aggressive about this. But again if you have anyother questions feel free to call.
Originally posted by Rileysmom:
No, I am not attacking you. Again, all I was asking for was clarification of the accounts. We have many users that post under multiple accounts to hide their "true identity", so when I notice that multiple accounts are under one IP, and then notice that those people don't make their friendship vocal on the boards, I look into it to make sure that everything is legit. I was asking you to clarify so that I could know which names were no longer needed. I don't see where I was attacking you at all? I asked before I assumed, and the reason I asked about deleting a name was because two of the accounts had the same email address.
rosebud* 10-30-2007, 12:48 AM Here are the PM's (which I kept to PM's until now), because I don't need my name being drug through the mud by this lady:
Originally Posted by Rileysmom
Hi, I just wanted to let you know that having different screen names is not allowed. Please choose one screen name, and I will delete the other two. Thank you for your cooperation.
Trey
Originally posted by SoldierandWife
If I have another account I am not aware of it. Though I did try to register and I forgot the password.So that may have led to a duplicate account. Also, right now I am using a friends computer which may lead to a duplicate ip address??? Sorry for the confusion. The ony account that I have is SoldierandWife I would hope you wouldnt delete my account with out verifying this information first.
Julie
Originally Posted by Rileysmom
So jul418 is the name that you forgot the password to? What about jenijill? All of these names are registered to this IP, and we do not allow duplicate screen names, which is why I asked before deleting.
Originally posted by Soldierandwife:
Yes jul418 would have been the other account that i couldnt remember. Jenjill would be a friend from my FRG. Who eats dinner at my house everynight and whose laptop computer was logged into my wireless internet service. We never log off our computers, as our husbands are down range. So if she comes over here she is on my internet, which in turn explains the duplicate IP address. Becasue I logged into this board to post response. You seem very aggressive about this. But feel free to call me (edited for phone number and full name). There should be a record of her logging in at her house earlier. Is it standard to cantact someone like this, becasue I feel like I am being attacked? Matter of fact I know she was posting on this board before she cam to my house last night. This is really strange, because you are so aggressive about this. But again if you have anyother questions feel free to call.
Originally posted by Rileysmom:
No, I am not attacking you. Again, all I was asking for was clarification of the accounts. We have many users that post under multiple accounts to hide their "true identity", so when I notice that multiple accounts are under one IP, and then notice that those people don't make their friendship vocal on the boards, I look into it to make sure that everything is legit. I was asking you to clarify so that I could know which names were no longer needed. I don't see where I was attacking you at all? I asked before I assumed, and the reason I asked about deleting a name was because two of the accounts had the same email address.
WOW!!! :shock damn Trey way to harass her. :rolleyes
Devinn 10-30-2007, 12:50 AM Here are the PM's (which I kept to PM's until now), because I don't need my name being drug through the mud by this lady:
Originally Posted by Rileysmom
Hi, I just wanted to let you know that having different screen names is not allowed. Please choose one screen name, and I will delete the other two. Thank you for your cooperation.
Trey
Originally posted by SoldierandWife
If I have another account I am not aware of it. Though I did try to register and I forgot the password.So that may have led to a duplicate account. Also, right now I am using a friends computer which may lead to a duplicate ip address??? Sorry for the confusion. The ony account that I have is SoldierandWife I would hope you wouldnt delete my account with out verifying this information first.
Julie
Originally Posted by Rileysmom
So jul418 is the name that you forgot the password to? What about jenijill? All of these names are registered to this IP, and we do not allow duplicate screen names, which is why I asked before deleting.
Originally posted by Soldierandwife:
Yes jul418 would have been the other account that i couldnt remember. Jenjill would be a friend from my FRG. Who eats dinner at my house everynight and whose laptop computer was logged into my wireless internet service. We never log off our computers, as our husbands are down range. So if she comes over here she is on my internet, which in turn explains the duplicate IP address. Becasue I logged into this board to post response. You seem very aggressive about this. But feel free to call me (edited for phone number and full name). There should be a record of her logging in at her house earlier. Is it standard to cantact someone like this, becasue I feel like I am being attacked? Matter of fact I know she was posting on this board before she cam to my house last night. This is really strange, because you are so aggressive about this. But again if you have anyother questions feel free to call.
Originally posted by Rileysmom:
No, I am not attacking you. Again, all I was asking for was clarification of the accounts. We have many users that post under multiple accounts to hide their "true identity", so when I notice that multiple accounts are under one IP, and then notice that those people don't make their friendship vocal on the boards, I look into it to make sure that everything is legit. I was asking you to clarify so that I could know which names were no longer needed. I don't see where I was attacking you at all? I asked before I assumed, and the reason I asked about deleting a name was because two of the accounts had the same email address.
yep, I didnt see that as an attack at all, Trey. You were very polite.
I think she's a :dramaqueen
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 12:51 AM yep, I didnt see that as an attack at all, Trey. You were very polite.
I think she's a :dramaqueen
I think and her friend are both friggin crazy!
tifflovezyou 10-30-2007, 12:51 AM :sun Trey, you rock! :D
Brandi 10-30-2007, 12:51 AM Trey handled it EXACTLY how I would want her to and very appropriately, IMO. I mean, honestly, you can't get much nicer than that :shrug She asked, without implying, she gave her the opportunity to explain, so I don't get what was harrassing at all. We either get clarity on the situation or we delete ALL accounts that appear to be linked. I would much rather ask for the clarity and give people the chance to explain.
You did a mighty fine job, Trey, and thank you for staying on top of these things for us.
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 12:52 AM :sun Trey, you rock! :D
:agree
USNIwife 10-30-2007, 12:52 AM I know...I need to be asleep but can't pull myself away.:postwhore:postwhore
crazy stuff going on in here tonight
MontanaSweetie 10-30-2007, 12:52 AM Trey handled it EXACTLY how I would want her to and very appropriately, IMO. I mean, honestly, you can't get much nicer than that :shrug She asked, without implying, she gave her the opportunity to explain, so I don't get what was harrassing at all. We either get clarity on the situation or we delete ALL accounts that appear to be linked. I would much rather ask for the clarity and give people the chance to explain.
You did a mighty fine job, Trey, and thank you for staying on top of these things for us.
Exactly...I think Trey did a mighty fine job handling that situation! :yes
Julianne 10-30-2007, 12:53 AM thank you for keeping SOS sane... sort of... :lol
brentscrystal 10-30-2007, 12:53 AM This is crazy!
=Mrs.AiNokeA= 10-30-2007, 12:53 AM Here are the PM's (which I kept to PM's until now), because I don't need my name being drug through the mud by this lady:
Originally Posted by Rileysmom
Hi, I just wanted to let you know that having different screen names is not allowed. Please choose one screen name, and I will delete the other two. Thank you for your cooperation.
Trey
Originally posted by SoldierandWife
If I have another account I am not aware of it. Though I did try to register and I forgot the password.So that may have led to a duplicate account. Also, right now I am using a friends computer which may lead to a duplicate ip address??? Sorry for the confusion. The ony account that I have is SoldierandWife I would hope you wouldnt delete my account with out verifying this information first.
Julie
Originally Posted by Rileysmom
So jul418 is the name that you forgot the password to? What about jenijill? All of these names are registered to this IP, and we do not allow duplicate screen names, which is why I asked before deleting.
Originally posted by Soldierandwife:
Yes jul418 would have been the other account that i couldnt remember. Jenjill would be a friend from my FRG. Who eats dinner at my house everynight and whose laptop computer was logged into my wireless internet service. We never log off our computers, as our husbands are down range. So if she comes over here she is on my internet, which in turn explains the duplicate IP address. Becasue I logged into this board to post response. You seem very aggressive about this. But feel free to call me (edited for phone number and full name). There should be a record of her logging in at her house earlier. Is it standard to cantact someone like this, becasue I feel like I am being attacked? Matter of fact I know she was posting on this board before she cam to my house last night. This is really strange, because you are so aggressive about this. But again if you have anyother questions feel free to call.
Originally posted by Rileysmom:
No, I am not attacking you. Again, all I was asking for was clarification of the accounts. We have many users that post under multiple accounts to hide their "true identity", so when I notice that multiple accounts are under one IP, and then notice that those people don't make their friendship vocal on the boards, I look into it to make sure that everything is legit. I was asking you to clarify so that I could know which names were no longer needed. I don't see where I was attacking you at all? I asked before I assumed, and the reason I asked about deleting a name was because two of the accounts had the same email address.
OMG you have got to be kidding me! In no way were you attacking her Trey. Geez what a drama queen. :rolleyes
Mommy2Bailey 10-30-2007, 12:56 AM I saw no attacking or harrassing in that at all
WOW! Attacks and harrassment boy she needs to get a grip.... your pm's were far from harassment!
billysgirl 10-30-2007, 12:59 AM OMG that's creepy how she jumped to conclusions. you were just doing a job.. what a wierdo.. what's really strange is that you didn't mention the IP address first, she brought that up... :suspect
rosebud* 10-30-2007, 01:00 AM although now that I think about it I think she feels :quote attacked :quote because of what happened in Tiff's thread earlier. however Trey was not being rude nor attacking her. she is just being a bit :dramaqueen
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 01:01 AM although now that I think about it I think she feels :quote attacked :quote because of what happened in Tiff's thread earlier. however Trey was not being rude nor attacking her. she is just being a bit :dramaqueen
She wears the crown well!
flafwife 10-30-2007, 01:05 AM :duh holy cow last i looked this said 47 replies and 60 views or something like that :wowsers
Jennifer 10-30-2007, 01:10 AM Trey rocks
USNIwife 10-30-2007, 01:10 AM :popcorn
ditto, I missed all this Hubs and I were watching tv. it's quite a night on here tonight.
*.:Hope:.* 10-30-2007, 01:17 AM Well.. :munchies
this is what I get for going away for a few days.. now I"m so far behind I have to :exercise just to catch up.
rosebud* 10-30-2007, 01:18 AM She wears the crown well!
:yes :teehee
:stalker
tifflovezyou 10-30-2007, 01:19 AM :agree ITA Wth everyone defending Trey, and ITA with Brandi and everyone else that shares these opinions. :yes
Biy that was quite a bit of harrassment :wowsers :roflmao
Trey, maybe you could sexually harrass someone next! :haha (L) ya
USNIwife 10-30-2007, 01:24 AM i covered one puddled with a couple paper towels... there's flour poured over 2 other piles.... the rest i haven't gotten to yet. no clue what's wrong with the dog. everytime i bring him back in he pukes again... i feel bad leaving him outside in the cold but i don't know what else to do with him
if he's sick and out in the cold. he'll get sicker. not cool. imagine you being sick and somebody putting you outside looking through the window. we don't know what's wrong with you. stay there. argh!
did you take him to the vet?
what if he's having gastrointestinal issues or something causing him to throwup.
Take him to the emergency vet clinic.
Jennie 10-30-2007, 02:09 AM I took it upon myself to look up harassed because I feel you are unaware of what it means.
ha·rass /həˈræs, ˈhærəs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[huh-ras, har-uhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object)
1. to disturb persistently; torment, as with troubles or cares; bother continually; pester; persecute.
2. to trouble by repeated attacks, incursions, etc., as in war or hostilities; harry; raid.
No where did I see Trey doing any of that.
Chelly 10-30-2007, 02:37 AM Why would someone who felt so attacked/harrassed hand over their name and phone number voluntarily?
:rolleyes
RunAwayLove 10-30-2007, 02:58 AM question about thsiw hole IP thing im not exactly sure how it works but um do andrea_marie23 and i have the same IP because we live in the same house and obviously use the same internet or is it computers...im confused but um were obviously two completely diferent people:P just curious:)
Noel2385 10-30-2007, 03:02 AM WOW. I just logged on because I couldn't sleep...I was NOT expecting this! haha :roflmao Seems like you ladies have been having quite a night on here! From what I've seen.....Trey you were absolutely right in how you handled the situation, SoldierandWife you need to get off your high horse, and going back to the thread that seemed to start all of this, hehe, Tiff - I agree with the way you reacted to your man not calling! My DB tells me to call anytime if I need anything then doesn't answer! Drives me crazy....you deserve to be mad!
Whew.....this was an exhausting thread to get through. :teehee I had almost forgotten why I love it on here so much haha
Shaky 10-30-2007, 03:26 AM I don't like when people accuse others of something that's obviously not true. Harassment is such a big word that sure doenst have Trey's name on it.
Green~Mammy 10-30-2007, 04:20 AM if he's sick and out in the cold. he'll get sicker. not cool. imagine you being sick and somebody putting you outside looking through the window. we don't know what's wrong with you. stay there. argh!
did you take him to the vet?
what if he's having gastrointestinal issues or something causing him to throwup.
Take him to the emergency vet clinic.
I was thinking the same thing, poor puppy could be dehydrated as well from all the vomiting. He needs to go to the Vet ER pronto. Hope she takes him.
SIMMYBABEZ 10-30-2007, 05:41 AM WTF
I think a literacy test needs to be in place for all newbies.
And I'd say why- but I dont fancy getting "harrassed".
Becca 10-30-2007, 06:31 AM Thank you for doing such a great job being on the ball, Trey.
Seriously - harrassment?!? Did we read the same PM's?
sharine25 10-30-2007, 08:08 AM bloody hell..i miss alot last nite for going to bed early...
girl20racer 10-30-2007, 08:11 AM OMG :rofl I thought this person was JOKING, she is a moderator.. :duh Not harassing..
oh Trey handled herself very well and she wasnt harrassing anyone in any sense of the word and I am surprised to see that someone actually thought Trey was attacking her. that is so ridiculous. All Trey was doing was just verifying things and thats what she is supposed to do. She wasnt attacking anyone.
Trey you Rock.
Berkley 10-30-2007, 08:46 AM Oh sweetie if you thought that that was someone being agressive with you then you are on the WRONG site!!!
footstepswife 10-30-2007, 08:46 AM great job!! Trey and Brandi!! You really do ROCK and also the other great MODS, we have ALSO ROCK the house.
Kelsey 10-30-2007, 09:08 AM I took it upon myself to look up harassed because I feel you are unaware of what it means.
ha·rass /həˈræs, ˈhærəs/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[huh-ras, har-uhs] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object)
1. to disturb persistently; torment, as with troubles or cares; bother continually; pester; persecute.
2. to trouble by repeated attacks, incursions, etc., as in war or hostilities; harry; raid.
No where did I see Trey doing any of that.
Why, Trey, I do believe you were raiding her! What next? Are you going to pillage the countryside? :suspect
Veronica 10-30-2007, 09:08 AM has it been established that these are in fact two DIFFERENT people?
dotb182 10-30-2007, 09:09 AM All I have to say is ... Wow.. oh the drama...
dotb182 10-30-2007, 09:10 AM has it been established that these are in fact two DIFFERENT people?
I was wondering this too....
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 09:13 AM has it been established that these are in fact two DIFFERENT people?
That's been my question too. They claim to be but well we all know how that goes lol
ohmylis 10-30-2007, 09:53 AM so.. um.. why is this even a thread?
I mean.. its great entertainment, but it seems like someone is just wanting attention to me..
brentscrystal 10-30-2007, 09:57 AM so.. um.. why is this even a thread?
I mean.. its great entertainment, but it seems like someone is just wanting attention to me..
:giggle Good point.
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 09:58 AM so.. um.. why is this even a thread?
I mean.. its great entertainment, but it seems like someone is just wanting attention to me..
I think you're right! It worked huh? :giggle
rosebud* 10-30-2007, 10:00 AM I think you're right! It worked huh? :giggle
:stalker
Brandi 10-30-2007, 10:03 AM question about thsiw hole IP thing im not exactly sure how it works but um do andrea_marie23 and i have the same IP because we live in the same house and obviously use the same internet or is it computers...im confused but um were obviously two completely diferent people:P just curious:)
We are able to see every account that is logged in or has ever logged in under the same IP, but your type of situation is the reason why Trey verifies by asking, before assuming and banning accounts. We do realize that there are a number of factors that could lead to something looking suspicious even when it's not. So, she likes to feel out the situation, get an explanation, then go from there based on what's said.
has it been established that these are in fact two DIFFERENT people?
I'm not sure. I had to head to bed last night right after this happened and the last I heard from trey she said she was still looking into it. I'm sure she will update as soon as she knows something.
She did send someone a PM last night though that was forwarded to me b/c it was not sent to a member of staff. She basically said she wanted all the accounts deleted and she's glad she didn't tell anyone about this site b/c she would have been so embarrassed but, honestly, if her friends are going to act like this, I'm glad she didn't tell anyone else also.
The last little part of her post in Tiff's thread is what initially shocked me. It was extremely rude, especially for someone who is supposedly brand new to the site. Then posting public accusations that are way off base...
I'll keep everyone posted when I find out what the deal is :)
RunAwayLove 10-30-2007, 10:12 AM thanks for clearing that up for me Brandi:) i was confused lol good to know were not suspicious or anything:P PS i love my roomie shes the reason i found you guys!
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 10:40 AM :stalker
Oh oh oh my stalker is back. Brandi I feel like I'm being harassed!! Help me???
rosebud* 10-30-2007, 10:41 AM Oh oh oh my stalker is back. Brandi I feel like I'm being harassed!! Help me???
:slap shut up!!! :stalker :lmao
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 10:42 AM :slap shut up!!! :stalker :lmao
:pickfight :flippa
rosebud* 10-30-2007, 10:43 AM :pickfight :flippa
:voodoo oh I'm bringing it!!!! :taptap :imwaiting
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 10:46 AM :voodoo oh I'm bringing it!!!! :taptap :imwaiting
:shame:paddle:kungfu I ain't scared!
rosebud* 10-30-2007, 10:47 AM :shame:paddle:kungfu I ain't scared!
:club :yak :catfight
:boxing :moon
Godders_Girl80 10-30-2007, 10:55 AM I wanna play too....
:bunny:
That's all I got....
:teehee
RunAwayLove 10-30-2007, 10:56 AM ohhh dear there fighting agaaaaaaaaain...im telllllllllllllllling
lol
Jennifer 10-30-2007, 11:12 AM Bring it like a good little :postwhore Icky, Kara, and miss rosssssssssssssseeeebud!
Pebbles 10-30-2007, 11:13 AM Is this 'harasment my-arse' bullcrap still going on?
cceribit 10-30-2007, 11:29 AM WTF
I think a literacy test needs to be in place for all newbies.
And I'd say why- but I dont fancy getting "harrassed".
Being a newbie and being VERY hesitant to post, I just wanted to take a moment to say that not all of "us" need literacy tests. And although I feel very badly for the situation at hand, double identities, crying wolf and snarky comments regarding Tiff's situation, the perception that all newbies are moronic, illiterate, drama-queens is unwarranted. Some of us, most of us are really nice people with alot to offer, but too put-off to say anything positive, or negative for fear of 'not sitting at the cool table'.
Butterfly Lvr 10-30-2007, 11:31 AM :postcount
Being a newbie and all.. lol
RunAwayLove 10-30-2007, 11:37 AM Being a newbie and being VERY hesitant to post, I just wanted to take a moment to say that not all of "us" need literacy tests. And although I feel very badly for the situation at hand, double identities, crying wolf and snarky comments regarding Tiff's situation, the perception that all newbies are moronic, illiterate, drama-queens is unwarranted. Some of us, most of us are really nice people with alot to offer, but too put-off to say anything positive, or negative for fear of 'not sitting at the cool table'.
:( we dont want you to feel like that i promise! but im sure you know how it is when someone says somethign that upsets alot of people im sure your an amazing person and id personally love to hear more from you! and im sure everyone else would to:) its just one of those weird situations i guess
Brandi 10-30-2007, 11:38 AM Being a newbie and being VERY hesitant to post, I just wanted to take a moment to say that not all of "us" need literacy tests. And although I feel very badly for the situation at hand, double identities, crying wolf and snarky comments regarding Tiff's situation, the perception that all newbies are moronic, illiterate, drama-queens is unwarranted. Some of us, most of us are really nice people with alot to offer, but too put-off to say anything positive, or negative for fear of 'not sitting at the cool table'.
:yes but I think most people are almost always very welcoming of new people. :yes
phantomlotta 10-30-2007, 11:41 AM Hey tifflovesyou, I'm behind you and am hoping everything works out for the best for you! And to all the other ladies, you make my days bearable in an unbearable world. Y'all are awesome! :D:tu
Ok, so after reading up on a few of these funny posts, I just had to add something to my siggy...
Read it. :hystericlaugh
rosebud* 10-30-2007, 11:43 AM Being a newbie and being VERY hesitant to post, I just wanted to take a moment to say that not all of "us" need literacy tests. And although I feel very badly for the situation at hand, double identities, crying wolf and snarky comments regarding Tiff's situation, the perception that all newbies are moronic, illiterate, drama-queens is unwarranted. Some of us, most of us are really nice people with alot to offer, but too put-off to say anything positive, or negative for fear of 'not sitting at the cool table'.
Simmy's post was meant to be a joke.. we are very welcoming of new people.. sometimes :teehee
Lckychrmzz 10-30-2007, 11:48 AM I was just wondering if Trey could harass me next lol
tifflovezyou 10-30-2007, 11:51 AM :wavey I feel really sad my threads about my heart being smashed caused drama and :quoteharrassment:quote :rofl
Thankf for those of you who stuck up for me. Im off to run errands, im curious if the OP and the other name person is the same... :teehee
:boxing Dont start something you cant finish to those of you ready to fight :roflmao
(L) you all!
cceribit 10-30-2007, 11:56 AM Simmy's post was meant to be a joke.. we are very welcoming of new people.. sometimes :teehee
Understandable, and a joke is good at points when everyone understands the direction in which it comes from. I guess that's my point in posting, it's the 'sometimes' that can be most intimidating. Nothing negative or argumentative meant by it either.
LadyinWaiting = we dont want you to feel like that i promise! but im sure you know how it is when someone says somethign that upsets alot of people im sure your an amazing person and id personally love to hear more from you! and im sure everyone else would to its just one of those weird situations i guess
I appreciate the vote of confidence, thank you. It is a very undesirable situation and I can see where people would take offense to her/their posts.
USMCSGTsGirl1239 10-30-2007, 11:58 AM Damn... I really did miss a lot.... :mumble I am destined to be a :postwhore forever more I guess... SOS is never leaving my side again....
I've not gone through all 11 million pages of this, (I did that with Tiff's threads cause she rox :teehee)
It just sucks, because we tried to be nice to this newbie when she first came on, and I was kinda even excited to have another who is both Soldier and wife... but then the girl went all :screwy and is just trying to make things hella more difficult...
But, at least it does have some marginal entertainment value... gotta love this kind of drama for that. :rolleyes
USMCSGTsGirl1239 10-30-2007, 12:03 PM I don't remember the last time I've laughed as hard as I have tonight. It's like the crazies are all over the place.
I think it's because it is so close to Halloween, you know, some of the monsters and ghoulies always try to escape a little early... :scared
:teehee
Berkley 10-30-2007, 12:16 PM Understandable, and a joke is good at points when everyone understands the direction in which it comes from. I guess that's my point in posting, it's the 'sometimes' that can be most intimidating. Nothing negative or argumentative meant by it either.
I appreciate the vote of confidence, thank you. It is a very undesirable situation and I can see where people would take offense to her/their posts.
SOOOO glad you are posting!!
Girls CC ROCKS!! Not just rocks! She is one of the most aweseomness people I know!! I (L) her!
dotb182 10-30-2007, 12:18 PM Being a newbie and being VERY hesitant to post, I just wanted to take a moment to say that not all of "us" need literacy tests. And although I feel very badly for the situation at hand, double identities, crying wolf and snarky comments regarding Tiff's situation, the perception that all newbies are moronic, illiterate, drama-queens is unwarranted. Some of us, most of us are really nice people with alot to offer, but too put-off to say anything positive, or negative for fear of 'not sitting at the cool table'.
I'm really sorry that you are feeling that way, and I'm sure many of us would love to hear more from you.. But I understand where your coming from, when I first joined I was very hesitant, but now some people can't get me to shut up hahaha. Don't worry theres always room at the "cool table":P
Bryanna 10-30-2007, 12:19 PM Being a newbie and being VERY hesitant to post, I just wanted to take a moment to say that not all of "us" need literacy tests. And although I feel very badly for the situation at hand, double identities, crying wolf and snarky comments regarding Tiff's situation, the perception that all newbies are moronic, illiterate, drama-queens is unwarranted. Some of us, most of us are really nice people with alot to offer, but too put-off to say anything positive, or negative for fear of 'not sitting at the cool table'.
I'm not really a newbie anymore and im STILL scared of disrupting the 'cool table'.
and i think i might have last night.
its the problem with being new at a place that isnt... it takes FOREVER to fully be part of it.
thats why i spend hours here reading everything TRYING to learn who everyone is... and how they speak...
because it SUCKS being new!
SIMMYBABEZ 10-30-2007, 12:22 PM Being a newbie and being VERY hesitant to post, I just wanted to take a moment to say that not all of "us" need literacy tests. And although I feel very badly for the situation at hand, double identities, crying wolf and snarky comments regarding Tiff's situation, the perception that all newbies are moronic, illiterate, drama-queens is unwarranted. Some of us, most of us are really nice people with alot to offer, but too put-off to say anything positive, or negative for fear of 'not sitting at the cool table'.
UH :rolleyes
It was a joke!
And JFYI - I have been a newbie, and I'm still not invited to sit at the "cool table"- but you know what- I go ahead and sit there anyway!
IF you had bothered to read all the stupid threads coming from a certain few newbies lately- you would have got the joke.
But you didn't so you didn't.
Whatever.
:mumble
RunAwayLove 10-30-2007, 12:26 PM i love it simmy "i sit there anywas" i think thats how i feel:P
cceribit 10-30-2007, 12:29 PM UH :rolleyes
It was a joke!
And JFYI - I have been a newbie, and I'm still not invited to sit at the "cool table"- but you know what- I go ahead and sit there anyway!
IF you had bothered to read all the stupid threads coming from a certain few newbies lately- you would have got the joke.
But you didn't so you didn't.
Whatever.
:mumble
Actually, I have read all of the posts, all within Tiff's situation, this thread and all of the other posts by the person that was causing such a flurry of drama. And to be even more precise, I've read almost every post to date.
I do not speak unless I have gone back to the beginning b/c I don't intend on being flamed with sarcasim, attitude and accusations of ignorance such as yours. Why would anyone jump into anything without first using their literacy capabilities fully to understand the situation at hand.
I didn't see your post as a joke, b/c it wasn't funny. It was insulting. Simple as that.
And Berk, thank you honey-bunches-of-O's I (L) you too.
Jen113007 10-30-2007, 12:33 PM SOOOO glad you are posting!!
Girls CC ROCKS!! Not just rocks! She is one of the most aweseomness people I know!! I (L) her!
I agree with Berk! CC is BEYOND awesome! I have known her on another site for a while now..so no being mean to this newbie! :giggle
cc....I have a different name on here...you know me better as Jenny... Jenny1001 :roflmao
Ellen 10-30-2007, 12:35 PM Ok....I don't want to piss anyone off....but Seriously. Should this post have gone on any longer that the first few responses??
Love ya Trey - no offense to you - you were doing your job.
Think about this people - Some NEW People have NEVER been associated with message boards. Give the girl a break!!! Talk about jumping down someone's throat.
That being said - I think the Original Poster should request this thread be closed!
Actually, I have read all of the posts, all within Tiff's situation, this thread and all of the other posts by the person that was causing such a flurry of drama. And to be even more precise, I've read almost every post to date.
I do not speak unless I have gone back to the beginning b/c I don't intend on being flamed with sarcasim, attitude and accusations of ignorance such as yours. Why would anyone jump into anything without first using their literacy capabilities fully to understand the situation at hand.
I didn't see your post as a joke, b/c it wasn't funny. It was insulting. Simple as that.
And Berk, thank you honey-bunches-of-O's I (L) you too.
ALL jokes are at someone's expense. Try not to take them seriously - Simone has a very dry sense of humour and I'm sure she was not trying to insult anyone (except the morons :P )
cceribit 10-30-2007, 12:38 PM I agree with Berk! CC is BEYOND awesome! I have known her on another site for a while now..so no being mean to this newbie! :giggle
cc....I have a different name on here...you know me better as Jenny... Jenny1001 :roflmao
Hi Jenny! (L) I recognized your siggy pic ;) Thanks for the compliment :thanks
SIMMYBABEZ 10-30-2007, 12:46 PM Actually, I have read all of the posts, all within Tiff's situation, this thread and all of the other posts by the person that was causing such a flurry of drama. And to be even more precise, I've read almost every post to date.
I do not speak unless I have gone back to the beginning b/c I don't intend on being flamed with sarcasim, attitude and accusations of ignorance such as yours. Why would anyone jump into anything without first using their literacy capabilities fully to understand the situation at hand.
I didn't see your post as a joke, b/c it wasn't funny. It was insulting. Simple as that.
And Berk, thank you honey-bunches-of-O's I (L) you too.
Whatev Trev-
It WAS a joke- and if you can't see that then I don't really give 2 flying ducks.
I'm not even gunna bother explaining myself.
I'll just look at your posts from the cool table and remember not to laugh when you try to be funny.
:wink
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 12:46 PM Bring it like a good little :postwhore Icky, Kara, and miss rosssssssssssssseeeebud!
:P
harrisonsdream 10-30-2007, 12:46 PM ALL jokes are at someone's expense. Try not to take them seriously - Simone has a very dry sense of humour and I'm sure she was not trying to insult anyone (except the morons :P )
i definitely agree with that.
the key for newbies is to jump right in and realize that while some of us "seasoned" members can seem mean it's not that we are trying to be but many of us know each other in real life and have been through a ton of life's ups and downs with each other. we don't try to be mean (usually) but realize that if you (general you) as a newbie comes in and says something inflammatory our first assumption is going to be that you (again general) don't know the whole story. hell look how long i've been here and i still don't know the back story for alot of people
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 12:47 PM :yes but I think most people are almost always very welcoming of new people. :yes
I know that I always try to be. I love meeting new people but yes sometimes things happen like they did last night and we get a little catty.
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 12:48 PM Hey tifflovesyou, I'm behind you and am hoping everything works out for the best for you! And to all the other ladies, you make my days bearable in an unbearable world. Y'all are awesome! :D:tu
Ok, so after reading up on a few of these funny posts, I just had to add something to my siggy...
Read it. :hystericlaugh
:rofl now that's funny!
cceribit 10-30-2007, 12:55 PM Whatev Trev-
It WAS a joke- and if you can't see that then I don't really give 2 flying ducks.
I'm not even gunna bother explaining myself.
I'll just look at your posts from the cool table and remember not to laugh when you try to be funny.
:wink
I'm assuming you and I will have to agree to disagree on many things. Which is fine, I take that in stride. My ducks don't get ruffled feathers easily.
As far as being 'new' or 'seasoned'. I may be new here, but I'll have go to the seasoned end of the bench. 13 years military wife seasoned. Also not new to 'forum etiquette' either. I manage/own three of my own. So I know how to play nice, not so nice, and when to let my ducks get ruffled.
I had no intention of sparking a debate, or saying anything inflammatory, I was just playing down the impression that 'all' newbies had issues and were difficult.
Oh, and I'm usually very amusing.
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 12:57 PM I'm assuming you and I will have to agree to disagree on many things. Which is fine, I take that in stride. My ducks don't get ruffled feathers easily.
As far as being 'new' or 'seasoned'. I may be new here, but I'll have go to the seasoned end of the bench. 13 years military wife seasoned. Also not new to 'forum etiquette' either. I manage/own three of my own. So I know how to play nice, not so nice, and when to let my ducks get ruffled.
I had no intention of sparking a debate, or saying anything inflammatory, I was just playing down the impression that 'all' newbies had issues and were difficult.
I don't think that anybody here wants to make any "newbie" feel unwanted. Last night was a rare thing as far as newbies go and it was brought over from somewhere else. Generally we welcome everybody with open arms. I'm sorry that your first impression was a bad one but if you give us a chance I think you will find that there are many many wonderful ladies here!
cceribit 10-30-2007, 01:03 PM I don't think that anybody here wants to make any "newbie" feel unwanted. Last night was a rare thing as far as newbies go and it was brought over from somewhere else. Generally we welcome everybody with open arms. I'm sorry that your first impression was a bad one but if you give us a chance I think you will find that there are many many wonderful ladies here!
Oh I already know that... I was brought here by two really great individuals that I adore (L) Berks and Trina... and now that I know Jenny's here, that simply adds to my bunch.
I'm not even remotely hinting that you all 'suck', please don't take it that way.
I was simply expressing my view on the comment, and disputing it. I realize it's difficult to get to know people in type b/c you don't hear the inflections or see their facial expressions.
I have all intention of giving people a chance, as long as they are willing to do the same.
SIMMYBABEZ 10-30-2007, 01:05 PM I wouldn't assume much.
You have judged me because you didn't get my joke.
Personally that's abit off to me but whatever.
I am always nice to newbies- it WAS a joke and it's as simple as that.
Infact- when there is drama with newbies- I'm usually the one who gets howled down cos I'm sticking up for them.
:rolleyes I'm over it.
Anyone that knows me knows that I'm a really nice person who makes alot of jokes.
Peace out homies
sharine25 10-30-2007, 01:06 PM Simone has a very dry sense of humour and I'm sure she was not trying to insult anyone (except the morons :P )
She's an Aussie..got a different sense of humor than the Americans...:D
mrskmw 10-30-2007, 01:09 PM I wouldn't assume much.
You have judged me because you didn't get my joke.
Personally that's abit off to me but whatever.
I am always nice to newbies- it WAS a joke and it's as simple as that.
Infact- when there is drama with newbies- I'm usually the one who gets howled down cos I'm sticking up for them.
:rolleyes I'm over it.
Anyone that knows me knows that I'm a really nice person who makes alot of jokes.
Peace out homies
That is very very true I have seen it myself many times. Simmy is a great girl and she is as welcoming of people. If she says she is joking then I for one believe her because trust me...we would know if she wasn't :giggle
cceribit 10-30-2007, 01:12 PM I wouldn't assume much.
You have judged me because you didn't get my joke.
Personally that's abit off to me but whatever.
I am always nice to newbies- it WAS a joke and it's as simple as that.
Infact- when there is drama with newbies- I'm usually the one who gets howled down cos I'm sticking up for them.
:rolleyes I'm over it.
Anyone that knows me knows that I'm a really nice person who makes alot of jokes.
Peace out homies
I did not judge you b/c of your attempted joke, I have formed my initial 'opinion' so to speak b/c of your slanted replies, flying ducks comment and 'whatever-ing' me. I take offense to very little, however first impressions are usually lasting ones. I'm sure mine with you also doesn't sit well.
I believe everyone is a nice person until I'm proven incorrect, so I'm sure in time, we'll find common ground.
cceribit 10-30-2007, 01:13 PM She's an Aussie..got a different sense of humor than the Americans...:D
Many of my closest friends are foreigners, so I can understand that. I'll have to take it into consideration next time.
cheerkelly 10-30-2007, 01:24 PM Simmy is one of the nicest people I know on here (there are a lot...but Simmy and LadyInWaiting have always made it a point to talk to me a lot). Believe me, Simmy might joke around, but if she truly had a beef with you, you would have known it.
When I was a newbie, Simmy made sure I felt welcome. She listened to me, and even offered to get together with me when we were both at Hood.
sharine25 10-30-2007, 01:27 PM Many of my closest friends are foreigners, so I can understand that. I'll have to take it into consideration next time.
Well that's good..Not all of the wives on here are Americans...Am German/Malaysian with an "English" sense of humor...So you do have to give some consideration because some of us might take offence to what you are saying when you are just joking(not that you are joking right now)...
I am still learning from my American wives and they are still learning from me...
Berkley 10-30-2007, 01:30 PM I wouldn't assume much.
You have judged me because you didn't get my joke.
Personally that's abit off to me but whatever.
I am always nice to newbies- it WAS a joke and it's as simple as that.
Infact- when there is drama with newbies- I'm usually the one who gets howled down cos I'm sticking up for them.
:rolleyes I'm over it.
Anyone that knows me knows that I'm a really nice person who makes alot of jokes.
Peace out homies
If she is judging you it's b/c you are whatever ing her. You made a joke not all of us got the joke she just said that not all of the newbies are idiots simple as that. I actually thought you and CC would get along really well. I have no issues with you simmy but you arn't exactly coming off IMO nice right now sorry.
Pebbles 10-30-2007, 01:33 PM Why is this ridiculous thread in the freaking Help Desk section?
I see nothing in it asking any technical questions :nutts
SIMMYBABEZ 10-30-2007, 01:35 PM Many of my closest friends are foreigners, so I can understand that. I'll have to take it into consideration next time.
You know being called a foreigner- is offensive to me.
In MY country- that would be as rude as calling a person black and white.
Which isn't so rude in your country.
But it sure as hell is in mine.
Unlike in RL- We can't tell what WILL or WILL NOT be offensive to others. We DO come from very very different cultures, and it'd be quite impossible to expect one to understand what the other is trying to say all the time.
So unlike some- I won't turn a little offensive comment into a 3 page debate.
And if I was a mean person- I'd be telling you to practise what you preach.
I did not judge you b/c of your attempted joke, I have formed my initial 'opinion' so to speak b/c of your slanted replies, flying ducks comment and 'whatever-ing' me. I take offense to very little, however first impressions are usually lasting ones. I'm sure mine with you also doesn't sit well.
I believe everyone is a nice person until I'm proven incorrect, so I'm sure in time, we'll find common ground.
Simmy is one of the nicest people I know on here (there are a lot...but Simmy and LadyInWaiting have always made it a point to talk to me a lot). Believe me, Simmy might joke around, but if she truly had a beef with you, you would have known it.
When I was a newbie, Simmy made sure I felt welcome. She listened to me, and even offered to get together with me when we were both at Hood.
I agree with the bolded parts.
Brandi 10-30-2007, 01:37 PM Why is this ridiculous thread in the freaking Help Desk section?
I see nothing about it asking any technical questions :nutts
I haven't moved it to the BR because there is a newbie involved who doesn't have access to the BR :D
I was away for a while anyhow though, attempting to actually be productive offline today. :lol
RunAwayLove 10-30-2007, 01:37 PM lol agreed pebbles
mikeysgal i wuv ya lol:P good point
I heart Simmy!
lol
pebbles maybe its in the help desk...because well we all need help:P alright maybe its jsut me but still...
Pebbles 10-30-2007, 01:38 PM I haven't moved it to the BR because there is a newbie involved who doesn't have access to the BR :D
I was away for a while anyhow though, attempting to actually be productive offline today. :lol
Ignore me, I am feeling feisty this morning :spank
Thanks for answering me though :egypt
SIMMYBABEZ 10-30-2007, 01:39 PM I (L) my girls :D
Brandi 10-30-2007, 01:41 PM I am going to go ahead and close this and move to to the boxing ring later on today, but feel free to use the private messaging feature or start a new thread in another forum if you need to discuss. Thank you, ladies! (L)
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