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HONOLULU -- Television bounty hunter Duane "Dog" Chapman's show has been pulled from the air indefinitely by A&E, two days after a private phone conversation in which the reality star used a racial slur repeatedly was posted online.

"In evaluating the circumstances of the last few days, A&E has decided to take 'Dog The Bounty Hunter' off the network's schedule for the foreseeable future," the network said in a statement Friday. "We hope that Mr. Chapman continues the healing process that he has begun."


A&E officials said the series, one of the network's top-rated programs, has not been canceled.

Chapman, 54, has been under fire and accused of being a racist ever since the private conversation with his son, Tucker Chapman, was posted online Wednesday by The National Enquirer. Chapman used the N-word repeatedly about his son's black girlfriend.

At least two advertisers have pulled out from the show and civil rights groups have called for the show's cancellation.

Soon after the clip was posted, Chapman issued an apology and A&E suspended production of the series.

In the conversation, Chapman urges Tucker to break up with his girlfriend.


He also expresses concern about the girlfriend trying to tape and go public about the TV star's use of the N-word.

Chapman has said he was "disappointed in his choice of a friend, not due to her race, but her character. However, I should have never used that term." He also said he was ashamed of himself and pledged to make amends.

I heard on the news that his son sold the story to that paper. :no That is really messed up of him to say that to his sons GF and for his son to sell the story.

I've been kind of fuming over that all day...

Dog is a good man who may be rough around the edges, but he loves his kids, and he's put a lot of bad people away.

Was it right for him to say? NO. But, the comment was taken out of context, he was worried about the :loser girlfriend taping something like that... not his son...

And I'm sorry, but I think it's really lame that apparently everyone is supposed to be PC and sterile these days. It was a PRIVATE phone conversation, not like he was out at a public appearance or anything like that.

It's the civil rights groups that are freaking out over this and making A&E react... :no

His Brother, and several of his children are married to Samoan or biracial women, and he treats every one with at least a modicum of respect from what I can see, even those crazy bond jumping sleaz-o's until he feels completely violated...

Everyone loses their composure. He shouldn't have said it, but his son should not have sold him out like that. :dunno I'm going to shut up now :irked

I've been kind of fuming over that all day...

Dog is a good man who may be rough around the edges, but he loves his kids, and he's put a lot of bad people away.

Was it right for him to say? NO. But, the comment was taken out of context, he was worried about the :loser girlfriend taping something like that... not his son...

And I'm sorry, but I think it's really lame that apparently everyone is supposed to be PC and sterile these days. It was a PRIVATE phone conversation, not like he was out at a public appearance or anything like that.

It's the civil rights groups that are freaking out over this and making A&E react... :no

His Brother, and several of his children are married to Samoan or biracial women, and he treats every one with at least a modicum of respect from what I can see, even those crazy bond jumping sleaz-o's until he feels completely violated...

Everyone loses their composure. He shouldn't have said it, but his son should not have sold him out like that. :dunno I'm going to shut up now :irked

How do you know that she was a "loser girlfriend"?? From what I have read she is a respectable person. She works with handicap and special needs children in a school system. It was the son that has had tons of legal issues and is a convicted felon.

* I also wanted to add that i dont think the use of the word is okay. I do think that ppl who use the word are racist,even if they deny it. If you werent racist or harbored some kind of ditaste, then the word would not be in your vocabulary of acceptable or useable words. And please dont give me the whole "black ppl say it to one another" speech in this situation. (i do see that side in some situations, but not this one) It was used clearly in a derogatory manner towards this girl. And obviously it must have been a common affair. The son had to have known the language that would be used, he might have been sick of hearing someone he cared about talked about that way, and so he taped his conversation knowing that wrong things would be said.

Definitely doesnt make what the son did (releasing the tape) okay. I believe family business should be kept private. But if at some point your private life becomes public you have to own up to who you really are deep down and the "real you" that you keep hidden behind closed doors.

How do you know that she was a "loser girlfriend"?? From what I have read she is a respectable person. She works with handicap and special needs children in a school system. It was the son that has had tons of legal issues and is a convicted felon.


It did say in the story above that Dog said he was worried about her character not her race so that alone could leave you to think that maybe she has had a less than desirable life...kwim

I guess at this point any story about either party would be rather tainted because this was made public, the recording is all over the internet and too many parties are invovled.

Not going to judge this girl or Dog in any way since all we know about either and the story is what the media tells us. He knows he said something wrong and I hope that he is sincere in his remorse and apology.....I just think that it's rather pathetic that his son did what he did to make a quick buck :no

I didn't know that about the girlfriend... but the handful of times Tucker has been on the show, he's had some "female toy" with him, and they always seemed like winners... so I thought it was one of those...

who knows if the respectable one is the one they were arguing about. It just sucks. Because the whole thing was taken out of context... and it was a private convo... and I'm sure we've all said things we regret in private convo's you know...

it's just sad his kid would do that, in or outside of the "girl" situation.

I guess there is no such thing as privacy anymore, and for his son to sell him out like, what a f*cking loser!

I totally agree he shouldn't have said the word, but to lose his TV show and have to deal with all the negative press, etc because of something that was said in private, seems to be beyond extreme to me.

His son is a LOSER from what I've seen. He's put up with quite a bit from his son and he's very supportive of ALL his kids. He's a good man who is rough around the edges like someone else said. He's not a horrible man. We've all said things we shouldn't, but that doesn't mean we should be publicly humiliated.

I think all this racial crap that is going on is just making the situation worse. The activists groups have EVERYONE walking around on glass.

I feel sorry for Dog. He shouldn't have lost his show... it's almost like the Imus situation all over again.

And I am going to say why is it that derogatory things can be said about other people and races, but when it is a situation like this it has to be HUGE.

His son is a LOSER from what I've seen. He's put up with quite a bit from his son and he's very supportive of ALL his kids. He's a good man who is rough around the edges like someone else said. He's not a horrible man. We've all said things we shouldn't, but that doesn't mean we should be publicly humiliated.

I think all this racial crap that is going on is just making the situation worse. The activists groups have EVERYONE walking around on glass.

I feel sorry for Dog. He shouldn't have lost his show... it's almost like the Imus situation all over again.

And I am going to say why is it that derogatory things can be said about other people and races, but when it is a situation like this it has to be HUGE.

:yes

I'm hoping that A&E will figure it out. They said it's not canceled they are just I think waiting for the air to clear... when he got into that whole thing in Mexico... which in my mind could have been worse than this... A&E did the same sort of thing, but ultimately sided with him.

He's a good guy, it's a good show, and if you saw the 1 hour special about his life... it's amazing some of the shit he's had to deal with and come through to be able to still be the genuinely gentle nice caring person he seems....

His son is a LOSER from what I've seen. He's put up with quite a bit from his son and he's very supportive of ALL his kids. He's a good man who is rough around the edges like someone else said. He's not a horrible man. We've all said things we shouldn't, but that doesn't mean we should be publicly humiliated.

I think all this racial crap that is going on is just making the situation worse. The activists groups have EVERYONE walking around on glass.

I feel sorry for Dog. He shouldn't have lost his show... it's almost like the Imus situation all over again.

And I am going to say why is it that derogatory things can be said about other people and races, but when it is a situation like this it has to be HUGE.

:iagree

The Mexico thing was something I was very proud of him for. He arrested a well known and very dangerous rapist. I think the mexican government was a little harsh on him for that.

I think we as a society need to relax a little bit. We take things way too personally

I think we as a society need to relax a little bit. We take things way too personally

And butt the hell out of things that are NONE of anyone's concern outside of the parties directly involved. It was CRAPPY of the person(s) involved to sell the tape and even crappier that our society is at a point where there is a market for that kind of crap to begin with.
Was it right? No. Does it warrant the tremendous backlash it is causing - NO! The pendulum is swinging dangerously out of control imo.

I guess there is no such thing as privacy anymore, and for his son to sell him out like, what a f*cking loser!

I totally agree he shouldn't have said the word, but to lose his TV show and have to deal with all the negative press, etc because of something that was said in private, seems to be beyond extreme to me.

:agree

And butt the hell out of things that are NONE of anyone's concern outside of the parties directly involved. It was CRAPPY of the person(s) involved to sell the tape and even crappier that our society is at a point where there is a market for that kind of crap to begin with.
Was it right? No. Does it warrant the tremendous backlash it is causing - NO! The pendulum is swinging dangerously out of control imo.

I do agree with this. And im not taking sides either way bc i can see multiple points of view BUUUUUTT it is the way society is today. Whether thats right or not doesnt matter. When you accept a position in public eye, especially in todays media frenzy, you know what risks you are taking and what you are signing up for. Hes getting to live one life style because of his fame, and now hes experiencing the other side. It comes with the territory and ppl know that going in.

Even tho im not famous, thats why i live by what my mom always told me- Dont do something if you arent proud of it and able to stand behind it. because if it ever gets out of your "inner circle" you will be expected to defend your actions. Make sure they are valid actions to defend".

The Mexico thing was something I was very proud of him for. He arrested a well known and very dangerous rapist. I think the mexican government was a little harsh on him for that
I think we as a society need to relax a little bit. We take things way too personally

I agree... and they even told him that it was over, everyone's people had been in talks... and then they freak out and come and get him like he's fled and is insane... :no

See that's one reason why I wouldn't want to be famous... it's like walking on egg shells. Doesn't excuse certain behaviors but I'm sure I've done things that would cause uproars.

Famous or not....who really expects their own child to do something so heartless like sell them out :no

people will do anything for a buck

Even tho im not famous, thats why i live by what my mom always told me- Dont do something if you arent proud of it and able to stand behind it. because if it ever gets out of your "inner circle" you will be expected to defend your actions. Make sure they are valid actions to defend".

Mom is a wise woman.

I've been kind of fuming over that all day...

Dog is a good man who may be rough around the edges, but he loves his kids, and he's put a lot of bad people away.

Was it right for him to say? NO. But, the comment was taken out of context, he was worried about the :loser girlfriend taping something like that... not his son...

And I'm sorry, but I think it's really lame that apparently everyone is supposed to be PC and sterile these days. It was a PRIVATE phone conversation, not like he was out at a public appearance or anything like that.

It's the civil rights groups that are freaking out over this and making A&E react... :no

His Brother, and several of his children are married to Samoan or biracial women, and he treats every one with at least a modicum of respect from what I can see, even those crazy bond jumping sleaz-o's until he feels completely violated...

Everyone loses their composure. He shouldn't have said it, but his son should not have sold him out like that. :dunno I'm going to shut up now :irked
:hail :yes I totally agree!

The Mexico thing was something I was very proud of him for. He arrested a well known and very dangerous rapist. I think the mexican government was a little harsh on him for that.

I think we as a society need to relax a little bit. We take things way too personally

Exactly. I am so sick and damn tired of hearing all this whining and bitching. Geeze, honestly its like freakin children, "he called me :blahblah" WHINE WHINE WHINE.

i'm with kat

No matter how "good" of a person someone may be... if they're willing to throw around such an ugly word, there's GOT to be more to it.

I've been pissed off... I've been fuming... upset, mad, angry, etc... and even in my most rage-filled moment.... I still would never use the "N" word.

Maybe he's a nice guy, I don't know. But if he's anything like he is on his show... I'm not too impressed. I'm always disgusted with how they pray before a "mission"..... then when they grab the bad guy, it's "F" this and "F" that and "you piece of sh*t" and all this stuff. It annoys me... people who are all "preachy" and self-righteous.... who don't practice what they preach. :shrug

ETA: Also, I realize that with adrenaline pumping and all the action, stuff slips out. However, if it were me, I wouldn't make such a big deal about praying and preaching if I knew I wasn't acting very Christ-like.

I don't think those were his true sentiments. He is probably just REALLY unhappy with who his son is dating, for whatever reason, and is using a term that "best" conveys his feelings.

not saying it is in anyway right. Definitely something he needs to work on.

See that's one reason why I wouldn't want to be famous... it's like walking on egg shells. Doesn't excuse certain behaviors but I'm sure I've done things that would cause uproars.

Like when a star is seen coming out of a grocery store with toilet paper. Everyone freaks out.

"OMG, Tom Cruise SHITS??!?!?!"

No matter how "good" of a person someone may be... if they're willing to throw around such an ugly word, there's GOT to be more to it.

I've been pissed off... I've been fuming... upset, mad, angry, etc... and even in my most rage-filled moment.... I still would never use the "N" word.

Maybe he's a nice guy, I don't know. But if he's anything like he is on his show... I'm not too impressed. I'm always disgusted with how they pray before a "mission"..... then when they grab the bad guy, it's "F" this and "F" that and "you piece of sh*t" and all this stuff. It annoys me... people who are all "preachy" and self-righteous.... who don't practice what they preach. :shrug

ETA: Also, I realize that with adrenaline pumping and all the action, stuff slips out. However, if it were me, I wouldn't make such a big deal about praying and preaching if I knew I wasn't acting very Christ-like.

I toally agree. Its obviously a word he uses very frequently. That isnt a word that just accidently slips out 3 times within 25 seconds if its not something you feel comfortable using.

How do you know that she was a "loser girlfriend"?? From what I have read she is a respectable person. She works with handicap and special needs children in a school system. It was the son that has had tons of legal issues and is a convicted felon.

* I also wanted to add that i dont think the use of the word is okay. I do think that ppl who use the word are racist,even if they deny it. If you werent racist or harbored some kind of ditaste, then the word would not be in your vocabulary of acceptable or useable words. And please dont give me the whole "black ppl say it to one another" speech in this situation. (i do see that side in some situations, but not this one) It was used clearly in a derogatory manner towards this girl. And obviously it must have been a common affair. The son had to have known the language that would be used, he might have been sick of hearing someone he cared about talked about that way, and so he taped his conversation knowing that wrong things would be said.

Definitely doesnt make what the son did (releasing the tape) okay. I believe family business should be kept private. But if at some point your private life becomes public you have to own up to who you really are deep down and the "real you" that you keep hidden behind closed doors.

Who people are in society and who they are behind closed doors can differ greatly.

Who people are in society and who they are behind closed doors can differ greatly.


Which can go both ways. Who "Dog" seems to be on his show, and who he really is in real life may be different. Hes not going to say stuff while being filmed that he knows will be put on tv, but he sure has no problems being his "true" self when he thinks no cameras or devices are rolling ;)

(I really can see both sides -to a point- but i just like having both sides out there)

Which can go both ways. Who "Dog" seems to be on his show, and who he really is in real life may be different. Hes not going to say stuff while being filmed that he knows will be put on tv, but he sure has no problems being his "true" self when he thinks no cameras or devices are rolling ;)

(I really can see both sides -to a point- but i just like having both sides out there)

Very True.

Like when a star is seen coming out of a grocery store with toilet paper. Everyone freaks out.

"OMG, Tom Cruise SHITS??!?!?!"

:lmao Thats funny, and true :tired


I honestly could careless what the hell was said. Im just sick of all the STUPID ass BS PC. WHO HONESTLY CARES? Do you really care that he uses that word? Do you? (GENERAL YOU, not directed towards anyone). Does it make you smaller, does it make you less of a person???? Ummm, last I checked no, it doesnt.

Not even if you were to use to towards a black person... cause IMO it makes the person using it look smaller and less of a person. So WHY give a flying hoot about what the hell he said. He didnt say it publicly for grims sakes.

If a black tv personality where to go around saying "honkey, cracker, etc etc" who would get up in arms? Not a damn person. Why? Cause then they would be labled white supremists, KKK, or Airian(sp) brotherhood. Well, all I have to say is WTFEVER... get the F over it. :arg

:lmao Thats funny, and true :tired


I honestly could careless what the hell was said. Im just sick of all the STUPID ass BS PC. WHO HONESTLY CARES? Do you really care that he uses that word? Do you? (GENERAL YOU, not directed towards anyone). Does it make you smaller, does it make you less of a person???? Ummm, last I checked no, it doesnt.

Not even if you were to use to towards a black person... cause IMO it makes the person using it look smaller and less of a person. So WHY give a flying hoot about what the hell he said. He didnt say it publicly for grims sakes.

If a black tv personality where to go around saying "honkey, cracker, etc etc" who would get up in arms? Not a damn person. Why? Cause then they would be labled white supremists, KKK, or Airian(sp) brotherhood. Well, all I have to say is WTFEVER... get the F over it. :arg

:hail You rock Kat! :yes

I think I am totally going to get :flamethrow for this, but I have to say it.

Also, I think it just so happens that the N word is a descriptive WORD that happened over time to get a negative connotation.... but technically COULD still be used as a descriptor by people with no real ill will...

I.E. things that were culturally "acceptable" at one time, are much less so now.

Do I think it's right? NO. Would I say it in public NO. Have I said it before YES. Have I seen it happen, in the context I referred to above YES and I am not just talking about amongst blacks.

I grew up in a house with blue collar cotton field workers born in the 20's before the upsurge of civil rights. They used the term freely, and would until the end of their life, even as they openly let go of any "racist intent" I learned the term early, and for awhile just thought that's just another adjective...

When my grandmother was in a nursing home before she died, she told us once of her favorite nurse... the phrase went something like this "I like her, she always takes care of me, sweetest person you could ever meet, and she's a N***** " :eek

Beyond that, one has to remember that Dog was born in the 50's, as was my father. And I use my father as an example, because they went through a lot of the same things and lived many of the same life experiences... (yes, my father has been in prison)

The 50's was a time where terms like that flowed freely, and a certain degree of "racism" was accepted, almost ingrained in the culture, whether outwardly spoken or not.

It was a pejorative term then, but not in the same way, or with the same magnitude of today, but people born into that era, especially the most blue collar, hard run, bad luck, under educated (like my father, and Dog) people have a very hard time breaking out of old habits and thought patterns.

Though I don't know Dog personally, my dad, who is of the same cloth, to this day will use the N word in normal conversation.... as a descriptor generally speaking.

He does not judge people based on race, but on attitude. And racial slurs, as bad as they are, and as bad as it sounds is a mere descriptor, a throw back to what was "allowed" to be used at one time.

It doesn't make it right by any means, but in having to deal with it, I've come to a new understanding... the Civil Rights era, and those years immediately preceding and following where very turbulent... and just as it took many many years for the term to garner all the negativity.... (prior to the revolutionary war it was a descriptor too... Nigers.... those from Niger and surrounding areas... the slaves.....

(I didn't just make that up either, I got that from a HS teacher that lived through pre and post civil rights times, and did much research in the subject, and travel in the region...)

it will take just as long probably for the connotation, and ideology, to change, and for the paradigm shift to completely change....

Things aren't as black and white as we would like them to be, or the media and cultural references would make them out to be... and people need to step back....That's all I'm saying. So, :flamethrow away :creep

USMCSGTsGirl1239 i know what you are saying about the culture/generational thing. my grandpa was born in 42 and his mother was born in 1912 and they have no problem using the word because it was how they were raised and how they grew up. my grandma was born in 44 and she doesn't use it but her mother did! i'm not saying it is right to use that as a reason but you have to look at how he was raised, it doesn't necessarily make it okay or acceptable but to him and in his eyes and everything it may be

USMCSGTsGirl1239 i know what you are saying about the culture/generational thing. my grandpa was born in 42 and his mother was born in 1912 and they have no problem using the word because it was how they were raised and how they grew up. my grandma was born in 44 and she doesn't use it but her mother did! i'm not saying it is right to use that as a reason but you have to look at how he was raised, it doesn't necessarily make it okay or acceptable but to him and in his eyes and everything it may be

Thanks Jill. It's so true :yes

I think I am totally going to get :flamethrow for this, but I have to say it.

Also, I think it just so happens that the N word is a descriptive WORD that happened over time to get a negative connotation.... but technically COULD still be used as a descriptor by people with no real ill will...

I.E. things that were culturally "acceptable" at one time, are much less so now.

Do I think it's right? NO. Would I say it in public NO. Have I said it before YES. Have I seen it happen, in the context I referred to above YES and I am not just talking about amongst blacks.

I grew up in a house with blue collar cotton field workers born in the 20's before the upsurge of civil rights. They used the term freely, and would until the end of their life, even as they openly let go of any "racist intent" I learned the term early, and for awhile just thought that's just another adjective...

When my grandmother was in a nursing home before she died, she told us once of her favorite nurse... the phrase went something like this "I like her, she always takes care of me, sweetest person you could ever meet, and she's a N***** " :eek

Beyond that, one has to remember that Dog was born in the 50's, as was my father. And I use my father as an example, because they went through a lot of the same things and lived many of the same life experiences... (yes, my father has been in prison)

The 50's was a time where terms like that flowed freely, and a certain degree of "racism" was accepted, almost ingrained in the culture, whether outwardly spoken or not.

It was a pejorative term then, but not in the same way, or with the same magnitude of today, but people born into that era, especially the most blue collar, hard run, bad luck, under educated (like my father, and Dog) people have a very hard time breaking out of old habits and thought patterns.

Though I don't know Dog personally, my dad, who is of the same cloth, to this day will use the N word in normal conversation.... as a descriptor generally speaking.

He does not judge people based on race, but on attitude. And racial slurs, as bad as they are, and as bad as it sounds is a mere descriptor, a throw back to what was "allowed" to be used at one time.

It doesn't make it right by any means, but in having to deal with it, I've come to a new understanding... the Civil Rights era, and those years immediately preceding and following where very turbulent... and just as it took many many years for the term to garner all the negativity.... (prior to the revolutionary war it was a descriptor too... Nigers.... those from Niger and surrounding areas... the slaves.....

(I didn't just make that up either, I got that from a HS teacher that lived through pre and post civil rights times, and did much research in the subject, and travel in the region...)

it will take just as long probably for the connotation, and ideology, to change, and for the paradigm shift to completely change....

Things aren't as black and white as we would like them to be, or the media and cultural references would make them out to be... and people need to step back....That's all I'm saying. So, :flamethrow away :creep

I will never forget the time my papa(g-pa) offered me a Brazil nut and asked if I wanted a "N***** toe"

I will never forget the time my papa(g-pa) offered me a Brazil nut and asked if I wanted a "N***** toe"

i've heard that too

USMCSGTsGirl1239 i know what you are saying about the culture/generational thing. my grandpa was born in 42 and his mother was born in 1912 and they have no problem using the word because it was how they were raised and how they grew up. my grandma was born in 44 and she doesn't use it but her mother did! i'm not saying it is right to use that as a reason but you have to look at how he was raised, it doesn't necessarily make it okay or acceptable but to him and in his eyes and everything it may be

omg my parents are only 3 years younger then your grandparents :lmao i'm gonna have to tell them!

I've gotten weird looks at times when I am having a conversation(at parties and such) and I say "Negroid" or "Caucasoid." Fun having to explain to someone that you aren't a racist, just an Anthropology major. LOL.

I've gotten weird looks at times when I am having a conversation(at parties and such) and I say "Negroid" or "Caucasoid." Fun having to explain to someone that you aren't a racist, just an Anthropology major. LOL.

:lmao

What do you think about the argument that the only true separations between races are between Negroid and Caucasoid? As in, like Hispanic and Asian etc, fall under the latter?

I :dunno I am no anthropology specialist, so that may be what it is now, but when that same HS teacher referenced in my blabbing brought up that possibility I thought it was cool, and everyone else was like :freakout :eek blasphemy... lol

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. In my eyes the use of the word in todays world represents ignorance. There are plenty of other descriptive words that ppl can use than one tied to such hurtful painful meanings. I would be irate if someone ever called my daughter that word. Would you want be calling your child a "piece of sh*t or dumb f*ck or ugly, white trash???" NO. Because it would be hurtful. People say all kinds of things in this world. But just bc ppl do it, doesnt make it okay. I hate how everything is slowly becoming "acceptable" or getting excuses made for it. We are not our grandparents generation.And I really pray that I can raise my daughter to be respectable to all people. If certain words- racial or not- are offensive to ppl, I will teach her not to say them.

:lmao

What do you think about the argument that the only true separations between races are between Negroid and Caucasoid? As in, like Hispanic and Asian etc, fall under the latter?

I :dunno I am no anthropology specialist, so that may be what it is now, but when that same HS teacher referenced in my blabbing brought up that possibility I thought it was cool, and everyone else was like :freakout :eek blasphemy... lol

It's hard for me to accept any division in race, because it is so ingrained that we all came from Africa. But I do believe that we first branched out into asia, because at the time of mass movement europe was still a little too cold. But asians and hispanics are closely linked because of the spread through asia and down in islands, and eventually, is is postulated islanders crossed the ocean to south america. Hispanics as we know them now aren't very different from caucasian europeans because they are the link between europeans and south/central american natives. We are just one big hodge podge.

So I guess see his point about there only being one true division. Negroids beings the original, and everything else falling under the product of population spread

It's hard for me to accept any division in race, because it is so ingrained that we all came from Africa. But I do believe that we first branched out into asia, because at the time of mass movement europe was still a little too cold. But asians and hispanics are closely linked because of the spread through asia and down in islands, and eventually, is is postulated islanders crossed the ocean to south america. Hispanics as we know them now aren't very different from caucasian europeans because they are the link between europeans and south/central american natives. We are just one big hodge podge.

I (L) U! Now, if only the rest of the world could be clued in, but I won't hold my breath on that one...

That's kind of like Mrs. Clinton wanting everyone to be blind to gender, and then playing the gender card in the debates... :irked

I (L) U! Now, if only the rest of the world could be clued in, but I won't hold my breath on that one...

That's kind of like Mrs. Clinton wanting everyone to be blind to gender, and then playing the gender card in the debates... :irked

LOL

sorry i keep editing. LOL. the more and more I think about it the more and more objective I am trying to be. Seeing both sides of it.

sorry i keep editing. LOL. the more and more I think about it the more and more objective I am trying to be. Seeing both sides of it.


Haha... it's cool. I love this kind of stuff... it's so :puzz thought provoking.

What I would love to go back in time and point out to all the slave holders, is that genetically speaking(in terms of size of the cranium in relation to the face) Negroid peoples are the most advanced of humans.

Not saying any one "race" is smarter than another. Just that Negroids are probably a step ahead of the game evolution wise.

IMO his son is a friggen sell out who is a complete embarrassment.

While the word may have been wrong to use, they shouldnt pull his show

Why am I terrified that this is going to turn bad?

IMO his son is a friggen sell out who is a complete embarrassment.

While the word may have been wrong to use, they shouldnt pull his show

It probably won't stick.

Like with Don Imus. (He's the nappy headed HOST! (*Eric Schwartz) Look at that fucking rats nest!)

What I would love to go back in time and point out to all the slave holders, is that genetically speaking(in terms of size of the cranium in relation to the face) Negroid peoples are the most advanced of humans.

Not saying any one "race" is smarter than another. Just that Negroids are probably a step ahead of the game evolution wise.

:yes Also genetically different to be more athletic, and there is a different proportion of fast twitch vs slow twitch muscle fibers in their body composition that make many things physically easier for them... but the nature of their oppression has stunted their intellectual development....

The last part of that came out wrong, but...

:yes Also genetically different to be more athletic, and there is a different proportion of fast twitch vs slow twitch muscle fibers in their body composition that make many things physically easier for them... but the nature of their oppression has stunted their intellectual development....

The last part of that came out wrong, but...

You mean on the social aspect? I can see that. Their history in this country has set up and environment for poverty, violence, lack of education, etc. because of the social stigmas held by a lot of this countries(and other countries) populations.

You mean on the social aspect? I can see that. Their history in this country has set up and environment for poverty, violence, lack of education, etc. because of the social stigmas held by a lot of this countries(and other countries) populations.

:yes

And to the point now, where when you have people like Spike Lee, and Bill Cosby saying "look, we have the potential, you need to learn correct grammar, get educated and better your lives, and NO it's doesn't make you "white" " they get the flak and are reamed for something like "not understanding their cultural plight, selling out, and not embracing the brotherhood" :no

:yes

And to the point now, where when you have people like Spike Lee, and Bill Cosby saying "look, we have the potential, you need to learn correct grammar, get educated and better your lives, and NO it's doesn't make you "white" " they get the flak and are reamed for something like "not understanding their cultural plight, selling out, and not embracing the brotherhood" :no

i remember when bill cosby did his speech thing at some black awards thing or something like that (i can't remember exactly what).

:yes

And to the point now, where when you have people like Spike Lee, and Bill Cosby saying "look, we have the potential, you need to learn correct grammar, get educated and better your lives, and NO it's doesn't make you "white" " they get the flak and are reamed for something like "not understanding their cultural plight, selling out, and not embracing the brotherhood" :no

No one likes being told that the situation they are in is partly their "fault", but more than that, educations and jobs in predominantly "ethnic"(hand in hand with that, impoverished) cities and neighborhoods are below par or often unavailable. There needs to be work on all sides. However, living in the area of GA that I did, and seeing everyone trying to live up to their "racial" stereotype pissed me off endlessly. I really hate the "gangster" thing. (When ANYONE tries to pull it off)

It's unfortunate, because the popular "black" faces in the media are: Rappers, Sports Players, or (dear jeebus) O.j. Simpson. And with rappers going to jail left and right and sports players being caught up in their own legal dramas it glorifies the lifestyle because the people doing this in the media get attention and make a lot of money. It isn't the media's fault altogether. We as a whole have to decide that we should not live up to what is portrayed in the media.

I heard on the news that his son sold the story to that paper. :no That is really messed up of him to say that to his sons GF and for his son to sell the story.

He should not have said those things. It was wrong. I heard his son only got $15000 for the story.

It's unfortunate, because the popular "black" faces in the media are: Rappers, Sports Players, or (dear jeebus) O.j. Simpson. And with rappers going to jail left and right and sports players being caught up in their own legal dramas it glorifies the lifestyle because the people doing this in the media get attention and make a lot of money. It isn't the media's fault altogether. We as a whole have to decide that we should not live up to what is portrayed in the media.

:yes :sadeyes

Esp. OJ Simpson... :loser and P.Diddy, or whatever he calls himself these days... I don't remember how many kids by how many different women, just cheated on his long time girlfriend, and fathered another child... getting into gang disagreements, and shootouts and :gah

And the media is just so bad about any of these things, whether it be ethnic issues, or something in politics... it makes me sick.
There does need to be work on both sides, but before that can happen, both sides need to, apparently have a come to Jesus meeting about it all.

:yes :sadeyes

Esp. OJ Simpson... :loser and P.Diddy, or whatever he calls himself these days... I don't remember how many kids by how many different women, just cheated on his long time girlfriend, and fathered another child... getting into gang disagreements, and shootouts and :gah

And the media is just so bad about any of these things, whether it be ethnic issues, or something in politics... it makes me sick.
There does need to be work on both sides, but before that can happen, both sides need to, apparently have a come to Jesus meeting about it all.

Yeah. We need a wake up call. i am not a hippie, but i do think we all need to start living for the sake of humanity. we need to have the same policy as champion dog breeders, "only do something if it will better the breed".

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And to the point now, where when you have people like Spike Lee, and Bill Cosby saying "look, we have the potential, you need to learn correct grammar, get educated and better your lives, and NO it's doesn't make you "white" " they get the flak and are reamed for something like "not understanding their cultural plight, selling out, and not embracing the brotherhood" :no
I like that!

:lol My poor dh has been accused of that many times by his fellow BLACK race. :rolleyes Obnoxious.

:sadeyes :no Incredibly sad too... oppressed at one time, and now make an active choice to remain so.. generally speaking... (and yes, inner city areas with economic problems are exceptions where it is more difficult to turn ones life around, but it is still possible)

There's a guy that started this special kind of school just for inner city and under underprivileged kids... I can't remember his name, but it was fascinating, he was on Oprah, he's black, and the schools even have free lunch and healthcare... it's some charter school... :wow :hail

His show is supposed to be on right now and its not on but it says it is in the line up. (its supposed to be a rerun)

His show is supposed to be on right now and its not on but it says it is in the line up. (its supposed to be a rerun)

Yep :sadeyes they pulled ALL of them until further notice... :tears

Yep :sadeyes they pulled ALL of them until further notice... :tears

Not nice, I wanted to watch Leland. :giggle

Not nice, I wanted to watch Leland. :giggle

I know... he's HAWT :drool

My fave episode this season though has been "The Smack Down Of Baby Lissa"

That was just COOL... :teehee

I know... he's HAWT :drool

My fave episode this season though has been "The Smack Down Of Baby Lissa"

That was just COOL... :teehee

I thought Beth was going to KILL that boy! Then what she said on the radio after... thatd be me if she was my daughter or step daughter too. I (L) Beth too, she cracks me up.

I thought Beth was going to KILL that boy! Then what she said on the radio after... thatd be me if she was my daughter or step daughter too. I (L) Beth too, she cracks me up.

:yes and double :yes

Nobody messes with the Chapman's :teehee

That special on his life made me :tears so bad

It's hard for me to accept any division in race, because it is so ingrained that we all came from Africa. But I do believe that we first branched out into asia, because at the time of mass movement europe was still a little too cold. But asians and hispanics are closely linked because of the spread through asia and down in islands, and eventually, is is postulated islanders crossed the ocean to south america. Hispanics as we know them now aren't very different from caucasian europeans because they are the link between europeans and south/central american natives. We are just one big hodge podge.

So I guess see his point about there only being one true division. Negroids beings the original, and everything else falling under the product of population spread

so incredibly stimulating. brain. hurts. must. not. think. *insert Homer Simpson drooling smilie*

:lol

Not nice, I wanted to watch Leland. :giggle

:drool

USMCSGTsGirl1239 i know what you are saying about the culture/generational thing. my grandpa was born in 42 and his mother was born in 1912 and they have no problem using the word because it was how they were raised and how they grew up. my grandma was born in 44 and she doesn't use it but her mother did! i'm not saying it is right to use that as a reason but you have to look at how he was raised, it doesn't necessarily make it okay or acceptable but to him and in his eyes and everything it may be

That's how it is in my family. My grandfather would say the word even thought he had friends of different races. He said that is how he was raised and even though he had nothing against anybody of any different race he still said it. My grandmother on the other hand always hated that word. Back then people were raised in a different world than we are now I guess.

I will never forget the time my papa(g-pa) offered me a Brazil nut and asked if I wanted a "N***** toe"

I have heard that saying a few times.

He should not have said those things. It was wrong. I heard his son only got $15000 for the story.

I can't imagine selling out my parent for 15000. What a joke! Ya it was wrong and he shouldn't have said it but ya know what he can do what he wants in a private phone convo.

The fact that it was a private conversation makes it that much worse to me because those are his TRUE colors. It makes you think about what all happens behind the cameras when everybody can be themselves and not the TV persona. I used to think it was cute when they would pray before each run but now I feel like it's all done just for the cameras. Maybe he is religious but he sure didn't come off that way in private.

His defense is that he was attacking her "character" and not her race, so what did the word n****r have to do with it? I just think it's sad that he felt he had to use that word to emphasize his dislike for her. He could have done it just fine without the word, after all, it seems like his son already knew he disapproved of her to begin with.

I think it's sad that some of you think it's okay to call someone a derogatory word just because "that's the way you talk". I know a few friends that would need a MUCH better explanation than that if you were to call them that to their face.

Maybe his show shouldn't have been pulled. After all, his words only offended the black people right? I know I was offended and I'm not black. There are some places that I appreciate political correctness...calling someone a "n****r falls under it. So much for stopping racism, now I know there's people my age that think calling someone a "n****r" is okay because they heard it growing up so it's not that big a deal. I guess I'd expect to break the chain and stop that kind of ignorance.

One bad thing and everybody forgets about all the good things he did.. :no

I hate the use of that word. Dh (who is black) has tried to use a once with a friend in a "yo man" sense of the word and I flipped on him because of my feelings with that word (I come from a raciest family).

That being said this was a private conversation, Dog has the right to say whatever and hold whatever beliefs that he wants. IF he does have a problem with the race I have not seen it demonstrated on his show.

As for who turned the conversation over to the tabloids and news stations, it honestly does not matter. Dog is going to know who did it and it is his problem to deal with. If it was his son, he will deal with it.

One bad thing and everybody forgets about all the good things he did.. :no

Yep! Because everybody has to conform to one way of thinking and if they don't then to hell with them. While I agree 1000% that the word is horrible and I wish that nobody would ever say it...that just isn't realistic. What he says in a private convo in the privacy of his own home(or wherever) is his own business and it doesn't take away from the good things that he does on a daily basis.

The fact that it was a private conversation makes it that much worse to me because those are his TRUE colors. It makes you think about what all happens behind the cameras when everybody can be themselves and not the TV persona. I used to think it was cute when they would pray before each run but now I feel like it's all done just for the cameras. Maybe he is religious but he sure didn't come off that way in private.

His defense is that he was attacking her "character" and not her race, so what did the word n****r have to do with it? I just think it's sad that he felt he had to use that word to emphasize his dislike for her. He could have done it just fine without the word, after all, it seems like his son already knew he disapproved of her to begin with.

I think it's sad that some of you think it's okay to call someone a derogatory word just because "that's the way you talk". I know a few friends that would need a MUCH better explanation than that if you were to call them that to their face.

Maybe his show shouldn't have been pulled. After all, his words only offended the black people right? I know I was offended and I'm not black. There are some places that I appreciate political correctness...calling someone a "n****r falls under it. So much for stopping racism, now I know there's people my age that think calling someone a "n****r" is okay because they heard it growing up so it's not that big a deal. I guess I'd expect to break the chain and stop that kind of ignorance.

There is no way to change people's way of thinking especially people who have grown up being taught a certain way. I dont think that anybody here said that it was ok...I think you are just reading way to much into things.

No matter how "good" of a person someone may be... if they're willing to throw around such an ugly word, there's GOT to be more to it.

I've been pissed off... I've been fuming... upset, mad, angry, etc... and even in my most rage-filled moment.... I still would never use the "N" word.

Maybe he's a nice guy, I don't know. But if he's anything like he is on his show... I'm not too impressed. I'm always disgusted with how they pray before a "mission"..... then when they grab the bad guy, it's "F" this and "F" that and "you piece of sh*t" and all this stuff. It annoys me... people who are all "preachy" and self-righteous.... who don't practice what they preach. :shrug

ETA: Also, I realize that with adrenaline pumping and all the action, stuff slips out. However, if it were me, I wouldn't make such a big deal about praying and preaching if I knew I wasn't acting very Christ-like.

I must respectfully disagree. Just because those words are deemed "bad" by our society, does not mean he(or anyone else) is less of a christian for saying them. I've never heard him tell someone not to curse, either...so not sure he's "preaching" and not practicing.

It's perfectly reasonable to cuss like a sailor and still love your God of choice and honor them and the people around you.

I must respectfully disagree. Just because those words are deemed "bad" by our society, does not mean he(or anyone else) is less of a christian for saying them. I've never heard him tell someone not to curse, either...so not sure he's "preaching" and not practicing.

It's perfectly reasonable to cuss like a sailor and still love your God of choice and honor them and the people around you.

Couldn't have said it better myself! :yes

Also, to address what someone else said- I had a long chat with a friend(who is black)a few years ago about the N word. She said to me "There's a difference between N****** and blacks, just like there are whites and white trash."

It seemed odd to me at the time, but after hearing the tape of Dog, it seems he was expressing much the same thing. It was the girl's character, not her color.

Geez people can get riled up over some dumb sh^%. :no

i dont know exactly whats going on but i dont know what im going to do without dog on tv:( love him

I must respectfully disagree. Just because those words are deemed "bad" by our society, does not mean he(or anyone else) is less of a christian for saying them. I've never heard him tell someone not to curse, either...so not sure he's "preaching" and not practicing.

It's perfectly reasonable to cuss like a sailor and still love your God of choice and honor them and the people around you.

Who without sin cast the first stone.

We are all sinners. That is our grandfather clause in life.

I will say that I didn't read the whole post because I would get riled up but I like how you said it.!

so incredibly stimulating. brain. hurts. must. not. think. *insert Homer Simpson drooling smilie*

:lol

homer simpson smiley. lol

I must respectfully disagree. Just because those words are deemed "bad" by our society, does not mean he(or anyone else) is less of a christian for saying them. I've never heard him tell someone not to curse, either...so not sure he's "preaching" and not practicing.

It's perfectly reasonable to cuss like a sailor and still love your God of choice and honor them and the people around you.

Loretta,
:yes :agree

Have I told you I (L) U today?? :teehee

I think that the n word needs to be given a different meaning for it to be accepted into society. I don't think it will be like fuck, and be accepted regardless of it meaning or context(at least in the circle I run with). I know plenty of women who hate the word cunt. I also, used to hate the word cunt. However, after looking at it a bit, and looking at it's ties to the word cunnilingus, I have decided that, used properly, it is an awesome fucking word.

the n word needs a make over.

Also, to address what someone else said- I had a long chat with a friend(who is black)a few years ago about the N word. She said to me "There's a difference between N****** and blacks, just like there are whites and white trash."

It seemed odd to me at the time, but after hearing the tape of Dog, it seems he was expressing much the same thing. It was the girl's character, not her color.

Geez people can get riled up over some dumb sh^%. :no

:hail :yes :D Ilike it :)

I still want to know why its ok for blacks (Im sure other races do it too, this is just an example) can call white people all kinds of bad names, yet... when someone who is white slips their lips the world must come to an end. :puzz
That really beat the shit of out me.

:hail :yes :D Ilike it :)

I still want to know why its ok for blacks (Im sure other races do it too, this is just an example) can call white people all kinds of bad names, yet... when someone who is white slips their lips the world must come to an end. :puzz
That really beat the shit of out me.

great question, that honestly I dont think will ever be answered.

I've been kind of fuming over that all day...

Dog is a good man who may be rough around the edges, but he loves his kids, and he's put a lot of bad people away.

Was it right for him to say? NO. But, the comment was taken out of context, he was worried about the :loser girlfriend taping something like that... not his son...

And I'm sorry, but I think it's really lame that apparently everyone is supposed to be PC and sterile these days. It was a PRIVATE phone conversation, not like he was out at a public appearance or anything like that.

It's the civil rights groups that are freaking out over this and making A&E react... :no

His Brother, and several of his children are married to Samoan or biracial women, and he treats every one with at least a modicum of respect from what I can see, even those crazy bond jumping sleaz-o's until he feels completely violated...

Everyone loses their composure. He shouldn't have said it, but his son should not have sold him out like that. :dunno I'm going to shut up now :irked

I agree!!! I think he was stabbed in the back.... I don't care WHAT he said to his son, that is private!

Yep! Because everybody has to conform to one way of thinking and if they don't then to hell with them. While I agree 1000% that the word is horrible and I wish that nobody would ever say it...that just isn't realistic. What he says in a private convo in the privacy of his own home(or wherever) is his own business and it doesn't take away from the good things that he does on a daily basis.

That's exactly right. If you don't conform then you are sent to the stocks and made public enemy number one. Look at poor Imus... he didn't say anything any worse than MANY MANY other very PROMINENT public figures, but because of the color of HIS skin he was persecuted for it. He was a victim of what Jesse Jackson and the rest of the civil rights activists preach about everyday.... salvation my ass.... revenge should NOT be at the top of their lists, but honestly... they are still living in the 1800s.

I must respectfully disagree. Just because those words are deemed "bad" by our society, does not mean he(or anyone else) is less of a christian for saying them. I've never heard him tell someone not to curse, either...so not sure he's "preaching" and not practicing.

It's perfectly reasonable to cuss like a sailor and still love your God of choice and honor them and the people around you.

Exactly!!!!

Also, to address what someone else said- I had a long chat with a friend(who is black)a few years ago about the N word. She said to me "There's a difference between N****** and blacks, just like there are whites and white trash."

It seemed odd to me at the time, but after hearing the tape of Dog, it seems he was expressing much the same thing. It was the girl's character, not her color.

Geez people can get riled up over some dumb sh^%. :no

I agree with your friend.... there is a huge difference. There is a classification of races as well as a sub-classification of each individual race. Stereotypes keep this classification system alive everyday... and it's not just a race against race thing... each individual race is doing it to itself. Don't come tell me my family is a redneck and then turn around and call someone else a bad name and call yourself perfect when just the other day you labeled yourself something less. It's hypocritical. That's the big thing now-a-days though.... hypocrisy. It's better than honesty apparently.

:hail :yes :D Ilike it :)

I still want to know why its ok for blacks (Im sure other races do it too, this is just an example) can call white people all kinds of bad names, yet... when someone who is white slips their lips the world must come to an end. :puzz
That really beat the shit of out me.

I'm with you on that one Kat. It's something I've NEVER been able to understand... and just like Veronica said... I doubt it will ever be answered, because that would require humility.... that won't happen.

great question, that honestly I dont think will ever be answered.

great question, that honestly I dont think will ever be answered.

Chalk it up to karma?

Easiest answer I can come up with.

You know what's funny to me. ALl the people who are getting SOOO upset that he used THAT word. Let's take that word out and put in it's place some other word. Maybe he called her a Kyke or a Cracker or a Spic. I garuntee that you all would think wow what a jerk but why did his show get pulled. But since he said the N word then suddenly he's the worst man alive. whatever.
I'll ask you this tho. Have you ONLY ever said nice sweet things EVEN in private. I guarentee that at one point in time you have all said jacked up rude nasty crap. Maybe not racially derogatory but I bet it wasn't sunshine and rainbows all the time. As far as I'm concerned it was a private conversation and I hope his son knows what's Karma is. B/c Karma's a bitch and she's comeing for him..

You know what's funny to me. ALl the people who are getting SOOO upset that he used THAT word. Let's take that word out and put in it's place some other word. Maybe he called her a Kyke or a Cracker or a Spic. I garuntee that you all would think wow what a jerk but why did his show get pulled. But since he said the N word then suddenly he's the worst man alive. whatever.
I'll ask you this tho. Have you ONLY ever said nice sweet things EVEN in private. I guarentee that at one point in time you have all said jacked up rude nasty crap. Maybe not racially derogatory but I bet it wasn't sunshine and rainbows all the time. As far as I'm concerned it was a private conversation and I hope his son knows what's Karma is. B/c Karma's a bitch and she's comeing for him..


:yes

It's such a shame that no one can live their life in private in any shape or form without someone doing their damndest to make it public :no
ANd yes I know he is famous and in the public eye and all, but that does not take away the fact that he is still entitled to a private life

:yes

It's such a shame that no one can live their life in private in any shape or form without someone doing their damndest to make it public :no
ANd yes I know he is famous and in the public eye and all, but that does not take away the fact that he is still entitled to a private life

Exactly!!
I'm not even trying to excuse what he said but I mean for gosh sake's there are some people on this thread who must have NEVER said a bad word or have a tissy fit EVER in private. It's ridiculous.

:hail :yes :D Ilike it :)

I still want to know why its ok for blacks (Im sure other races do it too, this is just an example) can call white people all kinds of bad names, yet... when someone who is white slips their lips the world must come to an end. :puzz
That really beat the shit of out me.

Excellent question...I've been waiting years to hear the answer to this one but someone always comes back with some lame ass excuse as to why it's not the same.

Exactly!!
I'm not even trying to excuse what he said but I mean for gosh sake's there are some people on this thread who must have NEVER said a bad word or have a tissy fit EVER in private. It's ridiculous.

:agree I guess some people are just to perfect (insert very sarcastic font here) ;)

Exactly!!
I'm not even trying to excuse what he said but I mean for gosh sake's there are some people on this thread who must have NEVER said a bad word or have a tissy fit EVER in private. It's ridiculous.

Exactly! This is why I am SO glad I am not one who has to live their life in the public eye. I have said some really horrible things - maybe not *that* word, but horrible things - in the heat of anger, frustration, etc. I have made some mistakes as a parent. I have had my share of "DOH" moments behind the wheel. Long story short - I AM HUMAN. The point is - so are celebrities, yet it seems we aren't willing to allow them that.

Exactly! This is why I am SO glad I am not one who has to live their life in the public eye. I have said some really horrible things - maybe not *that* word, but horrible things - in the heat of anger, frustration, etc. I have made some mistakes as a parent. I have had my share of "DOH" moments behind the wheel. Long story short - I AM HUMAN. The point is - so are celebrities, yet it seems we aren't willing to allow them that.

Me to Me to!! Everyone has Everyone is human NOONE is perfect adn people are ALWAYS forgetting that!

Also, to address what someone else said- I had a long chat with a friend(who is black)a few years ago about the N word. She said to me "There's a difference between N****** and blacks, just like there are whites and white trash."

It seemed odd to me at the time, but after hearing the tape of Dog, it seems he was expressing much the same thing. It was the girl's character, not her color.

Geez people can get riled up over some dumb sh^%. :no


ITA. My friend, who I met at work said basically the same thing. First day at work in the stockroom, she said, out of nowhere, "I hate n******. They give us all a bad name." I stood there with my mouth hanging open and she asked me if I thought white trash gave whites a bad name. I'm 35 and C is 20. Baby Girl is wise beyond her years.


ITA

I keep wondering what would happen if the president of the United States was caught saying the same thing. Would it be as forgiven then........I mean he is "human" after all, just like the rest of us. Just a thought I had:wink

Exactly!!
I'm not even trying to excuse what he said but I mean for gosh sake's there are some people on this thread who must have NEVER said a bad word or have a tissy fit EVER in private. It's ridiculous.

I can have a total pottymouth at times... but I still never use racial slurs. I don't find any of it acceptable, regardless of what race a person is.

I can have a total pottymouth at times... but I still never use racial slurs. I don't find any of it acceptable, regardless of what race a person is.

from Dictionary.com

2. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a person of any race or origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc.

I always thought it meant an ignorant person as well, so it very well could have been an attack on her character.

from Dictionary.com



I always thought it meant an ignorant person as well, so it very well could have been an attack on her character.

:puzz I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about, which word is that a definition for? :confused

from Dictionary.com



I always thought it meant an ignorant person as well, so it very well could have been an attack on her character.

:puzz I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about, which word is that a definition for? :confused

Nevermind, I just looked it up.

I'm sure it was an attack on her character. But that word just isn't necessary, in my opinion. I've never heard of it as being used to describe someone as "ignorant." I mean... If someone was being dumb or ignorant, I'd call them dumb or ignorant. Race shouldn't even come into play. :shrug

Just my unpopular opinion I guess.

Nigger (from dictionary.com

2. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a person of any race or origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc.
3. a victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by blacks; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised.

Also, as I mentioned in a previous post, the origins of the word are as follows... Niger...a country in west Africa, the Niger river which runs through several African nations... and west Africa is primarily where the first slaves came from... Niger overtime became Nigger... and prior to the revolutionary war, this word was a descriptor meaning anyone of the dark negroid population from any of the aforementioned regions.

Words are just words... people attach meaning to them... wrong or right. :dunno

I can have a total pottymouth at times... but I still never use racial slurs. I don't find any of it acceptable, regardless of what race a person is.
Exactly what i was saying. I just see no sense in racial slurs from anyone of any race/color about anyone of any race/color. Like i said before, it is my opinion, that it just represents ignorance coming out of someones mouth.

And whoever asked about it from the presidents stand point i think that is a good point. Would you feel totally okay with it if you over heard our president saying that, or even your local pastor?? If its not okay for one person to say, then its not okay for anyone else to, either. Its either okay in all situations or not okay in any. I personally feel it is never okay for any racial slurs to come out of anyones mouth.

Nigger (from dictionary.com

2. Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a person of any race or origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc.
3. a victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by blacks; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised.

Also, as I mentioned in a previous post, the origins of the word are as follows... Niger...a country in west Africa, the Niger river which runs through several African nations... and west Africa is primarily where the first slaves came from... Niger overtime became Nigger... and prior to the revolutionary war, this word was a descriptor meaning anyone of the dark negroid population from any of the aforementioned regions.

Words are just words... people attach meaning to them... wrong or right. :dunno


I realize that words are just words. But considering the history of it's use in this country, I have a hard time understanding why anyone would defend or try to justify the use of it.

I didn't say that it was right necessarily, and I sure as hell wouldn't use it in public... but in a private conversation, amongst my family, where we have a similar understanding of semantics that we don't have to justify... I have less of an issue.

The history of its use in this nation has become a horrible thing, but the point I am trying to make is that it, what was once harmless, has been skewed, and taken out of context, and BECOME something horrid... it's not horrid in and of itself if you know the TRUE history behind it.

People though are going to take things however they like, and if it's offensive to some.... then, that's OK... everyone is entitled to their opinion... whatever that may be.

Like someone else said a night or two ago, the word needs a make over, and we need to get back to its origins, to defuse the situation.

I didn't say that it was right necessarily, and I sure as hell wouldn't use it in public... but in a private conversation, amongst my family, where we have a similar understanding of semantics that we don't have to justify... I have less of an issue.

The history of its use in this nation has become a horrible thing, but the point I am trying to make is that it, what was once harmless, has been skewed, and taken out of context, and BECOME something horrid... it's not horrid in and of itself if you know the TRUE history behind it.

People though are going to take things however they like, and if it's offensive to some.... then, that's OK... everyone is entitled to their opinion... whatever that may be.

Like someone else said a night or two ago, the word needs a make over, and we need to get back to its origins, to defuse the situation.

I agree it was turned into something bad. I still honestly wouldn't mind if we just erased the word.

It's so hard to truly get past racism in this country when shit like this still happens.

I will say though, it does make me extremely sad for the guy that his own son would sell him out. :yes

I agree it was turned into something bad. I still honestly wouldn't mind if we just erased the word.

It's so hard to truly get past racism in this country when shit like this still happens.

I will say though, it does make me extremely sad for the guy that his own son would sell him out. :yes

I could not agree more. Makes me wonder if we will ever really make progress you know?

I dated someone once, from Germany, and he was just appalled by the racism here and all that, like how we handled it, how we "let there be ghettos" etc...

but in Germany, they have no where near the racial problems we do, even though it is increasing... so it's kind of a completely different set of circumstances... no basis for comparison.

Of course, this is also the guy that told me the US were war mongers, and we should "really try to not have a military at all, because it does wonders for a country" :teehee

Apparently someone did not do their history homework of their own nation, as to WHY exactly they don't have much of an armed forces... :rolleyes

I could not agree more. Makes me wonder if we will ever really make progress you know?

I dated someone once, from Germany, and he was just appalled by the racism here and all that, like how we handled it, how we "let there be ghettos" etc...

but in Germany, they have no where near the racial problems we do, even though it is increasing... so it's kind of a completely different set of circumstances... no basis for comparison.

Of course, this is also the guy that told me the US were war mongers, and we should "really try to not have a military at all, because it does wonders for a country" :teehee

Apparently someone did not do their history homework of their own nation, as to WHY exactly they don't have much of an armed forces... :rolleyes

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Exactly what i was saying. I just see no sense in racial slurs from anyone of any race/color about anyone of any race/color. Like i said before, it is my opinion, that it just represents ignorance coming out of someones mouth.

And whoever asked about it from the presidents stand point i think that is a good point. Would you feel totally okay with it if you over heard our president saying that, or even your local pastor?? If its not okay for one person to say, then its not okay for anyone else to, either. Its either okay in all situations or not okay in any. I personally feel it is never okay for any racial slurs to come out of anyones mouth.

I never once said it was ok I just said that he shouldn't have his show pulled b/c of it. And if he is going to get his show pulled then why don't we go all out and ruin everyone who makes a racial slur. You think the N word is the only bad one? of course not. But How much rap is out there with people saying Cracker and Spic and worse. What about Chris Rock he calls white people Crackers all the time. If it's going to be a career runiner then make it an EVEN playing field. If Imus had said something about Crackers then his show would NOT have been pulled but nope he said nappy and bam show pulled.
My only point before was that it was in private he fucked up wow people do fuck up. I don't think he was meaning it as in her color I think he was meaning it as in her charecter.

I can have a total pottymouth at times... but I still never use racial slurs. I don't find any of it acceptable, regardless of what race a person is.

SO if he had said Fuck that skanky ass bitch or something equally along those lines that would have been ok But b/c the N word was used then his whole career should be flushed?!?!?

I never once said it was ok I just said that he shouldn't have his show pulled b/c of it. And if he is going to get his show pulled then why don't we go all out and ruin everyone who makes a racial slur. You think the N word is the only bad one? of course not. But How much rap is out there with people saying Cracker and Spic and worse. What about Chris Rock he calls white people Crackers all the time. If it's going to be a career runiner then make it an EVEN playing field. If Imus had said something about Crackers then his show would NOT have been pulled but nope he said nappy and bam show pulled.
My only point before was that it was in private he fucked up wow people do fuck up. I don't think he was meaning it as in her color I think he was meaning it as in her charecter.

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I never once said it was ok I just said that he shouldn't have his show pulled b/c of it. And if he is going to get his show pulled then why don't we go all out and ruin everyone who makes a racial slur. You think the N word is the only bad one? of course not. But How much rap is out there with people saying Cracker and Spic and worse. What about Chris Rock he calls white people Crackers all the time. If it's going to be a career runiner then make it an EVEN playing field. If Imus had said something about Crackers then his show would NOT have been pulled but nope he said nappy and bam show pulled.
My only point before was that it was in private he fucked up wow people do fuck up. I don't think he was meaning it as in her color I think he was meaning it as in her charecter.

Oh i agree. Thats why i was saying i dotn believe in any racial slurs against any ppl. But he also knew that if any one were to hear him say that, that his career would be ruined (hence the whole conversation that took place). SO its natural that his show be pulled for now, its the way media works. It will be a big deal til the next scandal, he will get critized, then apologize again publicly, possibly pledging charity money to a black organization and then his show will slowly come back on. Thats what usually seems to happen :lol

But i do not think he used the word only as an attack of her character, i do believe some racial slur-ness was invloved. I think saying afterwayd that it was all character was just an available and convenient excuse. If he didnt like her character then he would have said, shes a lying, sneaking, good for nothing, non trustworthy person, or something like that. Ive seen his show, he has a much bigger vocabulary. Ive heardhim talk about criminals "character" on his show and he never used that word to describe them. Hes trying to cover his butt, as any person would. But I highly doubt this will be the demise of him. He will be just fine.

I never once said it was ok I just said that he shouldn't have his show pulled b/c of it. And if he is going to get his show pulled then why don't we go all out and ruin everyone who makes a racial slur. You think the N word is the only bad one? of course not. But How much rap is out there with people saying Cracker and Spic and worse. What about Chris Rock he calls white people Crackers all the time. If it's going to be a career runiner then make it an EVEN playing field. If Imus had said something about Crackers then his show would NOT have been pulled but nope he said nappy and bam show pulled.
My only point before was that it was in private he fucked up wow people do fuck up. I don't think he was meaning it as in her color I think he was meaning it as in her charecter.

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Oh i agree. Thats why i was saying i dotn believe in any racial slurs against any ppl. But he also knew that if any one were to hear him say that, that his career would be ruined (hence the whole conversation that took place). SO its natural that his show be pulled for now, its the way media works. It will be a big deal til the next scandal, he will get critized, then apologize again publicly, possibly pledging charity money to a black organization and then his show will slowly come back on. Thats what usually seems to happen :lol

But i do not think he used the word only as an attack of her character, i do believe some racial slur-ness was invloved. I think saying afterwayd that it was all character was just an available and convenient excuse. If he didnt like her character then he would have said, shes a lying, sneaking, good for nothing, non trustworthy person, or something like that. Ive seen his show, he has a much bigger vocabulary. Ive heardhim talk about criminals "character" on his show and he never used that word to describe them. Hes trying to cover his butt, as any person would. But I highly doubt this will be the demise of him. He will be just fine.

What I don't get it and I'm not saying YOU do this I'm saying our media seems to excuse racial slurs directed at anyone other then black people. I don't understand why people can say cracker and spic and that be ok and there needs to be no apologizing and no anything but if someone uses a black slur then All hell has broken loose. I mean I hear people say the word Jew all the time and usually NOT in a nice way and it is offensive but noone has ever had their show pulled b/c of it..kwim.

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awww i feel special that is the first time I think you've ever quote clapped me..LOL

awww i feel special that is the first time I think you've ever quote clapped me..LOL

you said it sooooooo perfectly

you said it sooooooo perfectly

awww thanks :)

What I don't get it and I'm not saying YOU do this I'm saying our media seems to excuse racial slurs directed at anyone other then black people. I don't understand why people can say cracker and spic and that be ok and there needs to be no apologizing and no anything but if someone uses a black slur then All hell has broken loose. I mean I hear people say the word Jew all the time and usually NOT in a nice way and it is offensive but noone has ever had their show pulled b/c of it..kwim.

I dunno the reason. I do know that personally i am not offended by someone saying cracker to me. It doesnt hurt my feelings in any way, altho i have never heard the word cracker used in "look of disgust" way. I have, although, been deeply offended when someone has muttered "N*****" at my daughter, bc it was said in an insulting, disgust, felt as if she didnt have the right to breathe their air kind of way. There was no joke behind it, just hate. Its very rare that cracker is used in a "hate" way, and LIKE I SAID BEFORE i do not agree with any racial slur of any kind towards anyone. None of the words should be used. But personally, thats just how i feel.

I dunno the reason. I do know that personally i am not offended by someone saying cracker to me. It doesnt hurt my feelings in any way, altho i have never heard the word cracker used in "look of disgust" way. I have, although, been deeply offended when someone has muttered "N*****" at my daughter, bc it was said in an insulting, disgust, felt as if she didnt have the right to breathe their air kind of way. There was no joke behind it, just hate. Its very rare that cracker is used in a "hate" way, and LIKE I SAID BEFORE i do not agree with any racial slur of any kind towards anyone. None of the words should be used. But personally, thats just how i feel.

Oh I know you don't I'm saying that I just hate how it's not equal around..kwim. I've been called a cracker in a insulting disgusting I should not even be alive kind of way and it felt like crap. Just b/c not everyone who gets called a cracker is offended doesn't mean it isn't any less hurtful.

SO if he had said Fuck that skanky ass bitch or something equally along those lines that would have been ok But b/c the N word was used then his whole career should be flushed?!?!?

Whoa... I never said anything like that... I don't think his career should be ruined, although I do understand why the network & advertisers wouldn't want to be associated with him after this. Sucks for him, but it is in their best interest, business-wise.

I hope it serves as a wake-up call for him. And I hope he can suck it up and use himself as an example to educate the general public that things like that should not be ok.

What I don't get it and I'm not saying YOU do this I'm saying our media seems to excuse racial slurs directed at anyone other then black people. I don't understand why people can say cracker and spic and that be ok and there needs to be no apologizing and no anything but if someone uses a black slur then All hell has broken loose. I mean I hear people say the word Jew all the time and usually NOT in a nice way and it is offensive but noone has ever had their show pulled b/c of it..kwim.

Our media is screwed up in that sense. NO racial slurs should be acceptable. And I agree, if they make a big deal out of the "N" word, they should make a big deal out of all the derogatory shit people say about other races as well.

The difference is... most other words don't have a history like the "N" word does.... so people don't really take other words as seriously. Still doesn't make it right.... but I can understand why it's like that in this country.

Exactly what i was saying. I just see no sense in racial slurs from anyone of any race/color about anyone of any race/color. Like i said before, it is my opinion, that it just represents ignorance coming out of someones mouth.

And whoever asked about it from the presidents stand point i think that is a good point. Would you feel totally okay with it if you over heard our president saying that, or even your local pastor?? If its not okay for one person to say, then its not okay for anyone else to, either. Its either okay in all situations or not okay in any. I personally feel it is never okay for any racial slurs to come out of anyones mouth.

My question though is why is it when someone calls a white person a cracker or honkey or whatever that it isn't this big of a deal. You can bet nobody would loose a t.v show over it but i can tell you that I find it just as offensive. I love the fucking double standard!

My question though is why is it when someone calls a white person a cracker or honkey or whatever that it isn't this big of a deal. You can bet nobody would loose a t.v show over it but i can tell you that I find it just as offensive. I love the fucking double standard!

Tommy and I were talking about this Thursday night and we wondered the same thing. I dont give a flying crap what someone calls me, its just words to me. Dont forget white trash, redneck, hick, hillbilly, etc.

Tommy and I were talking about this Thursday night and we wondered the same thing. I dont give a flying crap what someone calls me, its just words to me. Dont forget white trash, redneck, hick, hillbilly, etc.

It infuriates me! It's fine for them to call us shit and for people to call other spics, chinks and whatever else but let someone say the N word and all hell breaks loose. Ya it's horrible offensive to them and *I* don't say it but they don't think that the shit they call us is just as bad.

It infuriates me! It's fine for them to call us shit and for people to call other spics, chinks and whatever else but let someone say the N word and all hell breaks loose. Ya it's horrible offensive to them and *I* don't say it but they don't think that the shit they call us is just as bad.

I totally agree with you. I dont think its fair that we get called racist if we mention anything remotely like that but they arent if they call us something. I dont use them either.

It infuriates me! It's fine for them to call us shit and for people to call other spics, chinks and whatever else but let someone say the N word and all hell breaks loose. Ya it's horrible offensive to them and *I* don't say it but they don't think that the shit they call us is just as bad.

I dunno. But i dont like the "us" and "them" and "others" talk in general. We are the human race in my eyes. I dont think its so much "us" and "them" as it is there are always going to be a few bad examples from every gender, race, color, ethnicity, social class, political party, religion and every other silly seperation that we create within ourselves as human beings. there are good and there are bad, but either way like i said many times before it isnt right. I just think that the N word carries a stronger sense of hate and history than any other word for our nation in general. Just like "jew" would in germany and so on and so on. For our country it is the history behind it. But again like ive said its never right to mutter racial slurs whether in public, or while your in the shower all by yourself. I dont care the circumstance, it is my opinion that those words should never leave anyones mouth for any reason by any person. I dont know why its justified on any level about any person about any of them,

Im not justifying white racial slurs, merely saying that our history in the country puts more hatred and meaning behind it. But its never right for any ppl.

Im not justifying white racial slurs, merely saying that our history in the country puts more hatred and meaning behind it. But its never right for any ppl.

Thats totally not true it depends on the area. My dad lived in a city where he was one of 4 whites in his school, it was mostly black and Mexican and he was called honky, cracker, and all the other names out of just as much hate as the N word and this happened from the time he was in kindergarten till he moved out of that city when he was in his 20s. There are plenty of areas that have strong racial slurs used against other people besides just African Americans. Like where I grew up it was mostly Asian and white was the minority, I was called so many different names by the Asian and Mexican kids and never really heard the white kids call them names. Jews were WORLD WIDE with the racial slurs against them for a LONG time, much longer then the N word has been used. Also Irish, Chinese, Japanese were called many nasty names through history as well and those were world wide as well. The N word is only really primarily used in the states.

Thats totally not true it depends on the area. My dad lived in a city where he was one of 4 whites in his school, it was mostly black and Mexican and he was called honky, cracker, and all the other names out of just as much hate as the N word and this happened from the time he was in kindergarten till he moved out of that city when he was in his 20s. There are plenty of areas that have strong racial slurs used against other people besides just African Americans. Like where I grew up it was mostly Asian and white was the minority, I was called so many different names by the Asian and Mexican kids and never really heard the white kids call them names. Jews were WORLD WIDE with the racial slurs against them for a LONG time, much longer then the N word has been used. Also Irish, Chinese, Japanese were called many nasty names through history as well and those were world wide as well. The N word is only really primarily used in the states.

Exactly.

Thats totally not true it depends on the area. My dad lived in a city where he was one of 4 whites in his school, it was mostly black and Mexican and he was called honky, cracker, and all the other names out of just as much hate as the N word and this happened from the time he was in kindergarten till he moved out of that city when he was in his 20s. There are plenty of areas that have strong racial slurs used against other people besides just African Americans. Like where I grew up it was mostly Asian and white was the minority, I was called so many different names by the Asian and Mexican kids and never really heard the white kids call them names. Jews were WORLD WIDE with the racial slurs against them for a LONG time, much longer then the N word has been used. Also Irish, Chinese, Japanese were called many nasty names through history as well and those were world wide as well. The N word is only really primarily used in the states.

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I dunno. But i dont like the "us" and "them" and "others" talk in general. We are the human race in my eyes. I dont think its so much "us" and "them" as it is there are always going to be a few bad examples from every gender, race, color, ethnicity, social class, political party, religion and every other silly seperation that we create within ourselves as human beings. there are good and there are bad, but either way like i said many times before it isnt right. I just think that the N word carries a stronger sense of hate and history than any other word for our nation in general. Just like "jew" would in germany and so on and so on. For our country it is the history behind it. But again like ive said its never right to mutter racial slurs whether in public, or while your in the shower all by yourself. I dont care the circumstance, it is my opinion that those words should never leave anyones mouth for any reason by any person. I dont know why its justified on any level about any person about any of them,

Im not justifying white racial slurs, merely saying that our history in the country puts more hatred and meaning behind it. But its never right for any ppl.


I just keep hearing excuses why it's wrong for whites, Asians, or anybody else to to say racial things is wrong and more excuses why it's ok for other races to call whites crackers, mexicans spics and everything else. More and more excuses why it's fine for some and not for others.

I dunno. But i dont like the "us" and "them" and "others" talk in general. We are the human race in my eyes. I dont think its so much "us" and "them" as it is there are always going to be a few bad examples from every gender, race, color, ethnicity, social class, political party, religion and every other silly seperation that we create within ourselves as human beings. there are good and there are bad, but either way like i said many times before it isnt right. I just think that the N word carries a stronger sense of hate and history than any other word for our nation in general. Just like "jew" would in germany and so on and so on. For our country it is the history behind it. But again like ive said its never right to mutter racial slurs whether in public, or while your in the shower all by yourself. I dont care the circumstance, it is my opinion that those words should never leave anyones mouth for any reason by any person. I dont know why its justified on any level about any person about any of them,

Im not justifying white racial slurs, merely saying that our history in the country puts more hatred and meaning behind it. But its never right for any ppl.

I wasn't trying to seperate any races...I was trying to explain my point. But you just made it for me. So if a prominent black person or Asian of Mexican was on the phone having a private conversation and was calling a white person a name do you think it would make this kind of fuss...hell no it wouldn't. I'm just going to shut up now. :blahblah

I just keep hearing excuses why it's wrong for whites, Asians, or anybody else to to say racial things is wrong and more excuses why it's ok for other races to call whites crackers, mexicans spics and everything else. More and more excuses why it's fine for some and not for others.

Its kinda like "but i said it b/c s/he said it first" or "i said it b/c they might say it or think it" or even "b/c they pick on other races" None of it makes it fair or right.

I wasn't trying to seperate any races...I was trying to explain my point. But you just made it for me. So if a prominent black person or Asian of Mexican was on the phone having a private conversation and was calling a white person a name do you think it would make this kind of fuss...hell no it wouldn't. I'm just going to shut up now. :blahblah

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I wasn't trying to seperate any races...I was trying to explain my point. But you just made it for me. So if a prominent black person or Asian of Mexican was on the phone having a private conversation and was calling a white person a name do you think it would make this kind of fuss...hell no it wouldn't. I'm just going to shut up now. :blahblah

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:hugs Now, I've got some ice cream... why don't we leave this alone, and you come over here (in our spiffy car) and we can plot what else we are going to do :mwahaha because apparently, we are not getting through appropriately here... :no

Our media is screwed up in that sense. NO racial slurs should be acceptable. And I agree, if they make a big deal out of the "N" word, they should make a big deal out of all the derogatory shit people say about other races as well.

The difference is... most other words don't have a history like the "N" word does.... so people don't really take other words as seriously. Still doesn't make it right.... but I can understand why it's like that in this country.

Umm, what about the word "wetback"? THAT has history too. Its NOT just the "N" word and I think thats what most of the girls are getting at. we are all offended by different things but if we're african american NOBODY is allowed to say ANYTHING negative against us because of our history. :rolleyes sorry I dont buy that. My dh is American Indian. I am Mexican American. We are the least offended by what people say. Why do people take things sooooo personal?

Umm, what about the word "wetback"? THAT has history too. Its NOT just the "N" word and I think thats what most of the girls are getting at. we are all offended by different things but if we're african american NOBODY is allowed to say ANYTHING negative against us because of our history. :rolleyes sorry I dont buy that. My dh is American Indian. I am Mexican American. We are the least offended by what people say. Why do people take things sooooo personal?



EXACTLY what I was trying to say. I am in NO way saying that using that word is right because it's not. It's not part of my vocabulary but it just pisses me off to hear people debate how it's ok for one but not the other. Grrrr lol

I dunno the reason. I do know that personally i am not offended by someone saying cracker to me. It doesnt hurt my feelings in any way, altho i have never heard the word cracker used in "look of disgust" way. I have, although, been deeply offended when someone has muttered "N*****" at my daughter, bc it was said in an insulting, disgust, felt as if she didnt have the right to breathe their air kind of way. There was no joke behind it, just hate. Its very rare that cracker is used in a "hate" way, and LIKE I SAID BEFORE i do not agree with any racial slur of any kind towards anyone. None of the words should be used. But personally, thats just how i feel.

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WHAT?!?!?!?!

It infuriates me! It's fine for them to call us shit and for people to call other spics, chinks and whatever else but let someone say the N word and all hell breaks loose. Ya it's horrible offensive to them and *I* don't say it but they don't think that the shit they call us is just as bad.

Often times it goes hand in hand with the "we have a right to hate you because you enslaved our people" thing, or in the case of other ethnic groups "you never had to go through half the shit my people did" (E-hem, discrimination of Chinese in the American West, Japanese internment camps, I can go on...)

Um, no, excuse me, I never enslaved anyone. (My mom is French, btw, and my dad's family have always been dirt poor Irish potato farmers, so I am pretty sure I cannot even be blamed for this slavery thing.)

I took an African American freedoms struggles class last semester, and we were asked to accept the definition as racism as "benefiting from your skin color" and were also told to accept the idea that ONLY white people can be racist.

But.....based on the definition......

United Negro College Fund........??

Meh, because some white people spent most of the history of this country making themselves look bad, we get to pretty much get shit until everyone forgets about it.

Or until we become the discriminated against minority.

Umm, what about the word "wetback"? THAT has history too. Its NOT just the "N" word and I think thats what most of the girls are getting at. we are all offended by different things but if we're african american NOBODY is allowed to say ANYTHING negative against us because of our history. :rolleyes sorry I dont buy that. My dh is American Indian. I am Mexican American. We are the least offended by what people say. Why do people take things sooooo personal?

EXACTLY what I was trying to say. I am in NO way saying that using that word is right because it's not. It's not part of my vocabulary but it just pisses me off to hear people debate how it's ok for one but not the other. Grrrr lol

I'm not really sure what's going on here, I don't think we're debating the same thing at all. I will offer my point of view one more time, then I'll step out of the debate.

I don't think it's okay for ANYBODY to use ANY derogatory words to describe someone based on their skin color. I don't care WHAT color is being targeted, I dont' care what color is talking shit. It's not appropriate, and not conducive to overcoming racism.

Racism is a problem because shit like this FANS THE FLAMES. It has nothing to do with "taking things personally" or getting butthu