Okay, so we went to a Thanksgiving lunch at my husband's squadron today. We were standing in line waiting for our food. There was some country music on and my kids were dancing. Standing behind us were a couple of African American ladies and their kiddos. Well, one of the kids started dancing, and one of the moms grabbed her and said, "no, we don't dance to that music." I was a little surprised (not offended, per se, but surprised) that she would say it. I felt it came across as rude since my kids were dancing to it. My question is: is that teaching your kids to be intolerant? I mean, it is just music, but does it symbolize more? What do you think?
And, just to add, I don't have my panties in a wad, it just made me curious. ;)

Yeah, I do think it teaches your kids to be intolerant when you forbid them from participating in things just because you don't like them. Sometimes intolerance is okay, like when you forbid your kids from killing people, and teach them that being a murderer is bad. But sometimes it is damaging to kids because it teaches them anyone who does certain things is BAD, even if that thing doesn't hurt anyone else. In essence, that mom was teaching her kids that country music is the sign of something bad or unacceptable, and they could easily grow up thinking that anyone who listens to it is a bad person. That kind of intolerance is... intolerable. LOL.

That's right, I am intolerant against intolerance. :giggle

i think her scolding her kids for dancing to country music is just like telling you kids that God hates people who don't believe Him. There are some things that are good to be intolerant to, especially if you don't think they are right. But that is the "hate the sin, love the sinner" kinda thing. But being intolerant to cultural issues, especially things from your NATURAL birthed country is just dumb.

Yes I do think it's teaching intolerance. How many people do you know that have the, well I grew up around it, excuse when it comes to discrimination and racism??

I know, until I developed my own way of thinking, that my childhood and the way I was influenced by those that were around me really affected the way I thought of other people and races. It's very sad, but it's the truth!

I don't think you should push what you believe on your kids i think they should be able to deciede for themselves if they want to dance to polka music then i better buy some ear plugs

I don't think you should push what you believe on your kids i think they should be able to deciede for themselves if they want to dance to polka music then i better buy some ear plugs

I like it! Me too.

Maybe she is of a certain faith that does not believe in dancing.

Maybe she is of a certain faith that does not believe in dancing.

if it were that... she wouldnt have said 'THAT' music.
i think it is teaching intolerance. i know country has a bad name because its 'hicks' and 'rednecks' so my guess is THAT is what she meant by THAT music.

i think its sad that those children are being told that country music isnt ok.

Yes I do think it's teaching intolerance. How many people do you know that have the, well I grew up around it, excuse when it comes to discrimination and racism??

100% agree with this.

Hmmm... to that music... maybe songs about having fun, loving, living and nothing exceptionally negative are offensive to her... maybe she prefers her kids to dance around to "music" that talks about bitches and hoes and killing and gangsta's and all that happy horseshit... to each their own, but no parent should discourage their child from simply being a child... my parents rarely agreed with my choice in music... and I have issues with some of the music that my children like... but I don't discourage them from enjoying it... I have limits as to what I will accept but other than that as long as I don't have to hear it I really don't care... I'm not sure if that lady that you are referring to was being intolerant or possibly ignorant...maybe even stupid... the list goes on

Thats really sad, she should have just enjoyed that her kids were happy & dancing-I myself am not a fan of country music either but if my kids ever liked it or danced to it-I would be ok with it-that was rude of her for sure in my book:yes

Yes I agree she is intolerant. That makes no since to me what so ever.

Hmmm... to that music... maybe songs about having fun, loving, living and nothing exceptionally negative are offensive to her... maybe she prefers her kids to dance around to "music" that talks about bitches and hoes and killing and gangsta's and all that happy horseshit... to each their own, but no parent should discourage their child from simply being a child... my parents rarely agreed with my choice in music... and I have issues with some of the music that my children like... but I don't discourage them from enjoying it... I have limits as to what I will accept but other than that as long as I don't have to hear it I really don't care... I'm not sure if that lady that you are referring to was being intolerant or possibly ignorant...maybe even stupid... the list goes on

:thinking

I'm not quite sure that I liked that (bolded) comment....it makes it sound like ur judging because she is African American

it makes u sound a little....discriminative.

not saying u are...I dont know u....it just ....doesnt sound right....kwim?

How dare someone imprint crap like that on a child. She would have freaked out had it been rap, and you told your kids to not dance to that music.

Even though, I have to say, I roll my eyes when I see women singing that soulja boy song. "Superman the hoe" means to come on her back when she is sleeping so that the sheets stick to her. Very fucking manly "soulja boy"

Gotta say, rap, and country, the two kinds of music that make me want to run around smacking the shit out of people.

But hey, if my kids want to listen to that crap one day, I'll get them an ipod and they can dance around all weird in their rooms.

:thinking

I'm not quite sure that I liked that (bolded) comment....it makes it sound like ur judging because she is African American

it makes u sound a little....discriminative.

not saying u are...I dont know u....it just ....doesnt sound right....kwim?

No offense, but the comment wasn't made for you to like or not like. It was me stating a possibility, hence the use of the word "maybe." The woman obviously found something offensive about her child/children dancing to country music. I personally cannot stand the majority of rap music so that is the example that I used. I would have used the same example had the woman in question been white, green or pink with purple polka dots.

And I have absolutely no idea what "kwim" means...sorry.

No offense, but the comment wasn't made for you to like or not like. It was me stating a possibility, hence the use of the word "maybe." The woman obviously found something offensive about her child/children dancing to country music. I personally cannot stand the majority of rap music so that is the example that I used. I would have used the same example had the woman in question been white, green or pink with purple polka dots.

And I have absolutely no idea what "kwim" means...sorry.

whoa. excitable arent u. I was just telling u my interpretation of what u said...and considering u stuck it in a public thread...I'm pretty sure I have the right to say..."hmm that doesnt sound quite right". :shrug Obviously I misinterpreted what u meant....whatever. Y

You clarified what u were saying...enough said. calm down. :wink

You are right about one thing tho....rap music isnt the best stuff in the world to be allowing ur children to listen to.

btw kwim = (k)now (w)hat (I) (m)ean

:sigh






ANYWAY....about the OP....
That behavior is teaching hatred plain and simple.

:shrug if by not allowing my child to listen to rap music is teaching her intolerance then I guess so be it

How dare someone imprint crap like that on a child. She would have freaked out had it been rap, and you told your kids to not dance to that music.

Even though, I have to say, I roll my eyes when I see women singing that soulja boy song. "Superman the hoe" means to come on her back when she is sleeping so that the sheets stick to her. Very fucking manly "soulja boy"

Gotta say, rap, and country, the two kinds of music that make me want to run around smacking the shit out of people.

But hey, if my kids want to listen to that crap one day, I'll get them an ipod and they can dance around all weird in their rooms.

Okay call me stupid but where did you read this definition from just those words

:shrug if by not allowing my child to listen to rap music is teaching her intolerance then I guess so be it

well thats because rap music unfortunately is very violent and crude. I dont allow my children to listen to it either.

But to not allow ur child to listen or dance to country music? what purpose does that serve?

Okay call me stupid but where did you read this definition from just those words

I never heard of that either so I did a yahoo search and came up with this:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=superman+that+hoe

I think the woman that was referred to in the OP should take a look at this video:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=d89e6w405sc

I have 4 of her songs on my iPod... I love this girl!

well thats because rap music unfortunately is very violent and crude. I dont allow my children to listen to it either.

But to not allow ur child to listen or dance to country music? what purpose does that serve?

I know a couple people who don't allow country in their home. It's their choice. They don't like it. They feel that country is supporting the "south" etc. Yes they are generalizing just like people generalize about rap music. I don't listen to rap and personally can't stand it but to say that just because a "black" family chooses not to listen nor promote country music is different then a "white" family choosing not to listen nor promote rap, :shrug I don't know. To each their own.

I know a couple people who don't allow country in their home. It's their choice. They don't like it. They feel that country is supporting the "south" etc. Yes they are generalizing just like people generalize about rap music. I don't listen to rap and personally can't stand it but to say that just because a "black" family chooses not to listen nor promote country music is different then a "white" family choosing not to listen nor promote rap, :shrug I don't know. To each their own.

Thats not what I said or meant. The LITERAL LYRICS are what matters. The majority of rap music is violent and crude.... I dont hear anything in country music that is brainwashing children into supporting the south....thats just politics.

Ultimately ur right tho...to each their own.

Reverse racism? :dunno Intolerance :dunno Ignorance? :dunno

tired of dealing with it everyday.....:yes

Thats not what I said or meant. The LITERAL LYRICS are what matters. The majority of rap music is violent and crude.... I dont hear anything in country music that is brainwashing children into supporting the south....thats just politics.

Ultimately ur right tho...to each their own.


Lyrics are all a matter of interpretation to some. Yes Rap is crude and vulgar but so can country. Now I LOVE Brad Paisley but his Ticks song is about wanting to take a girl out to the pasture and get her naked. He just choose better words then the rap community. Do I agree with rap, the lyrics nope.

But to say that someone is promoting intolerance by not allowing their children to listen to a certain type of music is a personal choice. Just like it can be reversed onto you as promoting intolerance by not promoting rap.

Just something to think about.

My first thought wasn't racism, or preference to rap, it was maybe she is very religious and only allows her children to listen/dance to Christian/religious music.

Okay call me stupid but where did you read this definition from just those words

I hang out with a lot of guys. It's one of those terms used to describe fucked up shit guys do to girls during sex.

Like the angry dragon: Right before a guy comes he rams his penis into the back of a girls throat, trying to get the cum to spray out of her nose.

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I'm not quite sure that I liked that (bolded) comment....it makes it sound like ur judging because she is African American

it makes u sound a little....discriminative.

not saying u are...I dont know u....it just ....doesnt sound right....kwim?

Thats what i was saying...talk about jumping from one side to the other...hows that any different or better than what the lady in the original post was doing???

And we dont listen to majority of country music in my house. Ugh i cant stand it :puke it makes me cringe, just something about it. There are a few we listen to Carrie Underwood, Rascal Flatts occasionally, but only if we are station surfing and it lands on one. DD can listen to whatever she wants when shes older, but right now shes 4 and i control the radio and we dont listen to country music. :dunno

No offense, but the comment wasn't made for you to like or not like. It was me stating a possibility, hence the use of the word "maybe." The woman obviously found something offensive about her child/children dancing to country music. I personally cannot stand the majority of rap music so that is the example that I used. I would have used the same example had the woman in question been white, green or pink with purple polka dots.

And I have absolutely no idea what "kwim" means...sorry.

Fuck that shit. If you are green or pink with purple polka dots, I am running in the other fucking direction, because something is WRONG with your ass. :oogle :lmao :D

Haven't read all the replies...but I wonder what would be said if we were in line behind HER and I told my child we don't dance to...say...hip hop.

:sadeyes

Let the babies dance. My goodness. That just makes me sad...and I'd be really disappointed if I observed something like that.

ETA: I see now that maybe I should have read all the replies. :lol

I hang out with a lot of guys. It's one of those terms used to describe fucked up shit guys do to girls during sex.

Like the angry dragon: Right before a guy comes he rams his penis into the back of a girls throat, trying to get the cum to spray out of her nose.

Tauni....i just want to say you always make me :teehee....and that crap is some screwed up shit! I would bite something off if that ever happened...just call him Nubs after that!

Lyrics are all a matter of interpretation to some. Yes Rap is crude and vulgar but so can country. Now I LOVE Brad Paisley but his Ticks song is about wanting to take a girl out to the pasture and get her naked. He just choose better words then the rap community. Do I agree with rap, the lyrics nope.

But to say that someone is promoting intolerance by not allowing their children to listen to a certain type of music is a personal choice. Just like it can be reversed onto you as promoting intolerance by not promoting rap.

Just something to think about.

Ohh good point Michelle. that is all i have to say. :giggle

Tauni....i just want to say you always make me :teehee....and that crap is some screwed up shit! I would bite something off if that ever happened...just call him Nubs after that!

Glad I could help. Sometimes I wonder if I am the only one laughing around here, :D

BTW, when you said nubs, it reminded me of a kid I dated once, who I found out had only one testicle. I just called him the One Nut Wonder.

Oh and Michelle, that ticks song gives me the willies :rofl

Glad I could help. Sometimes I wonder if I am the only one laughing around here, :D

BTW, when you said nubs, it reminded me of a kid I dated once, who I found out had only one testicle. I just called him the One Nut Wonder.

No you are not the only one....sometimes people stupidty makes me chuckle too!! that is hysterical about the testicle though.....:lmao

Reverse racism? :dunno Intolerance :dunno Ignorance? :dunno

tired of dealing with it everyday.....:yes

Me too! I'm so much more aware of it here than I have ever been in my life. That doesn't mean it didn't exist other places, just that I never noticed it.

Haven't read all the replies...but I wonder what would be said if we were in line behind HER and I told my child we don't dance to...say...hip hop.

:sadeyes

Let the babies dance. My goodness. That just makes me sad...and I'd be really disappointed if I observed something like that.

ETA: I see now that maybe I should have read all the replies. :lol

That is all I am saying. Why did it have to be an issue about what kind of music it was. They were playing everything, well, everything family appropriate, and I just don't understand why we have to discriminate against something just because it is supposedly a "white" thing. If there was an inappropriate song on I would have just asked someone to change the song, not punished my child for my intolerance. JMO.

I hang out with a lot of guys. It's one of those terms used to describe fucked up shit guys do to girls during sex.

Like the angry dragon: Right before a guy comes he rams his penis into the back of a girls throat, trying to get the cum to spray out of her nose.

First off you don't have to be soo damn crude when debating.

Secondly, I too hang out with a lot of guys. I am one out of 2 girls that works with 15 men. I can honestly say that my whole life I have never heard of a 'superman' or anything of that nature. Yes I have heard some funky stuff that has made me do double takes but in the end what is the difference between men who talk like this open and freely around whoever vs. people who make a living :shrug

You know, most of the responses here have been about music we choose to let our kids listen to. But we're forgetting that this was in a public place at an event where foul language in lyrics would not have been allowed.

So, they're listening to the music anyway, the issue was with her preventing them from dancing. That's just an expression of enjoyment. I really don't see why anyone would prevent their child from dancing to any song under these circumstances. JMO though.

First off you don't have to be soo damn crude when debating.

Secondly, I too hang out with a lot of guys. I am one out of 2 girls that works with 15 men. I can honestly say that my whole life I have never heard of a 'superman' or anything of that nature. Yes I have heard some funky stuff that has made me do double takes but in the end what is the difference between men who talk like this open and freely around whoever vs. people who make a living :shrug

WHOA. I was just stating it how it was. I never grew up with nicknames for the genitalia such as wee wee and such, so I am not meaning to be crude, I am being factual.

And there was someone else who posted a link that defines the superman, and it defines it just how I have. It's a part of popular culture, just maybe not a part of popular culture you have come into contact with.

Lastly, I wasn't debating with you. You asked a question, and I answered honestly. Yeesh.

I don't have kids but I know how my grandparents tried to influence my parents to raise us. I do think it teaches you to be intolerant to other cultures/relgion. I think this is how racism/sexism/etc. get taught to children. It's the little things they learn and see from people that make them grow up the way they do. Someday I'd hope that my future children will be very accepting of everybodies culture/religion. The world would just be a much friendlier place if nothing else

Hmm...I think a lot of post in this thread were just as bad as what that lady did. Maybe it was making a statement about her views but she wasn't imposing them on anyone but her children. I'm not saying what she did/said was ok or acceptable - simply that she had the right to do it and she wasn't being overtly rude or terrible to people around her. I'm sure most of us are guilty of transmitting our stereotypes onto children, even if we don't know it.

I say let the babies dance if they want to though. And for the record - I'm obviously against intolerance.

The fact that she is forbidding the kids to dance is just sad. Control much?

The fact that she is forbidding the kids to dance is just sad. Control much?

DING DING DING!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with Trina, and I also want to say that Tauni is right. Trust me!! There is a whole series of porno movies about spraying it in weird places, and it's mentioned(and done)several times in the first three videos.

Ok, carry on. :lol


ETA-I get this in reverse from a lot of people. Liam will be pumping his fist in the air singing that he wants to sniff some glue, and complete strangers bring my parenting into question. He's two, he thinks Joey Ramone was the coolest guy ever, and he understands that you aren't supposed to sniff it. Lay off, people! :lol

I just wish people would stop caring how others parent their children, and focus on their own kids!

My first thought wasn't racism, or preference to rap, it was maybe she is very religious and only allows her children to listen/dance to Christian/religious music.

I agree with this. There is pretty much always a reason for an individual's parenting choices and it's not always the reason everyone assumes.

I agree with this. There is pretty much always a reason for an individual's parenting choices and it's not always the reason everyone assumes.

I would normally give people the benefit of the doubt. The vibe I got was either that it was a racial thing, or her kids would be viewed as "dorky" for dancing to it. Either way I think it is silly.

Hmm...I think a lot of post in this thread were just as bad as what that lady did. Maybe it was making a statement about her views but she wasn't imposing them on anyone but her children. I'm not saying what she did/said was ok or acceptable - simply that she had the right to do it and she wasn't being overtly rude or terrible to people around her. I'm sure most of us are guilty of transmitting our stereotypes onto children, even if we don't know it.

I say let the babies dance if they want to though. And for the record - I'm obviously against intolerance.

You are right. She has every right to parent her children however she pleases. And we probably do all transmit our stereotypes onto our children.

Had my kids asked me why she said that, I would have been at a loss as to what to tell them.

Yes I do think it's teaching intolerance. How many people do you know that have the, well I grew up around it, excuse when it comes to discrimination and racism??

:agree If it had been worded differently then possibly not.

Fuck that shit. If you are green or pink with purple polka dots, I am running in the other fucking direction, because something is WRONG with your ass. :oogle :lmao :D

:giggle don't know why but that made me giggle.

:dunnoMaybe her comment didn't have anything to do with the music at all. Maybe it was her way of telling her kids that they don't dance in a situation like that? I have given up trying to understand people :hehe

Had my kids asked me why she said that, I would have been at a loss as to what to tell them.


I would've told them to ask her :D

The fact that she is forbidding the kids to dance is just sad. Control much?

If my kids are dancing where it's not called for I tell them to stop. Last night the two oldest were trying to do the Superman dance in the middle of Walmart and I quickly put a stop to it. :dunno

I just want to say... it says ALOT when in a public family setting is playing COUNTRY. Better than "yo dawg, smoke some weed, shoot somebody, pimp some hoes" :rofl OR "Kill kill kill, AHHHHHHH" (heavy metal rock) :lmao
(Total stereotypes there, but hey... so are some peoples opinions of country)

Country is very family friendly. Oh and I would have had to walk away or I would have said something to the lady in line.

And, I LOVE COUNTRY!!!!!!

I agree with Trina, and I also want to say that Tauni is right. Trust me!! There is a whole series of porno movies about spraying it in weird places, and it's mentioned(and done)several times in the first three videos.

Ok, carry on. :lol


ETA-I get this in reverse from a lot of people. Liam will be pumping his fist in the air singing that he wants to sniff some glue, and complete strangers bring my parenting into question. He's two, he thinks Joey Ramone was the coolest guy ever, and he understands that you aren't supposed to sniff it. Lay off, people! :lol

I just wish people would stop caring how others parent their children, and focus on their own kids!

LOL my five year old was belting out rocken roll highschool at the top of his lungs while we were walking around Target today. He loves the Ramones and the Beatles just like his momma!

I agree 100% with the last line in your post too!

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I just wish people would stop caring how others parent their children, and focus on their own kids!

While I agree....I'm gonna play devil's advocate for a second....

So when ur out somewhere...say...a nice restaurant...and someone's kids are running around everywhere, bouncin off the walls, bothering people, crawlin around stuff, climbing ON stuff....etc ...u get the idea..

or....ur in the grocery store...and some kid is mouthin off to their mom with COMPLETE disrespect....

(these are things I have encountered)

You dont think to urself...."where in the HELL are these kid's parents?" "who would let their kids behave this way?"

ETA: so no one can throw it down....I am in NO WAY COMPARING THE ABOVE SITUATIONS TO THE ORIGINAL POST

I don't mind how people parent their kids unless their actions start to interfere with my life hubby has had kids trying to climb in our cart steal our diaper bags and hubbys been hit in the head with a ball by a child and the entire time the parents did nothing, until i yelled at them to get off their asses and do some parenting

I don't mind how people parent their kids unless their actions start to interfere with my life hubby has had kids trying to climb in our cart steal our diaper bags and hubbys been hit in the head with a ball by a child and the entire time the parents did nothing, until i yelled at them to get off their asses and do some parenting

Some kid reached over the seat and grabbed my hair when I was on an airplane once. I flipped the fuck out.