Okay so I am putting this here because this topic has a tendency to get heated. Dr. Phil had extremely overweight children on yesterday. Do you think that parents who chronically overfeed their children are abusing their children? There was this 7 year old on who weighed 224 lbs. a 3 year old who weighs 80 lbs.

Yes!

yes...ive always thought this way when i worked in the preschool i had a 5 year old that weighed over 100 pounds he couldnt do ANYTHING for himself coudlnt dress himself play most things with other kids and was extremely unhappy all the time...

Yes, I think it's abuse, and to a certain degree it's neglect. Our nieces are heavy.. The youngest especially.. Mostly because they don't get to run around and be kids, and because their lousy mom sticks them in front of the TV with food and milk all day long. DD is 6 months older than our youngest niece, and we can't pass along her clothes/shoes to her, because the poor kid is so big.

YES I most certainly think the parents are to blame!!

kids eat what you put in front of them...they most of the time dont have a concept of what "full" is until its too late and they are uncomfortable

I watched yesterday also and YES I think alot of times it is enviromental and abusive. I will also say...having dealt with an overweight child, that sometimes it is not. My child suffers with a weight issue and she has NO medical issues. It is a battle that unless one goes through, has no room to judge. It is a very difficult situation.
I will also say this...I think some people are just large. Healthy but large.

kids eat what you put in front of them...they most of the time dont have a concept of what "full" is until its too late and they are uncomfortable

EXACTLY :tu

i think it should be part of parenting classes to teach parents about the stomach capacity of their kids and what they really need nutrition wise

EXACTLY :tu

i think it should be part of parenting classes to teach parents about the stomach capacity of their kids and what they really need nutrition wise

A good rule of thumb is that a child's stomach is roughly the size of their hand.

I watched yesterday also and YES I think alot of times it is enviromental and abusive. I will also say...having dealt with an overweight child, that sometimes it is not. My child suffers with a weight issue and she has NO medical issues. It is a battle that unless one goes through, has no room to judge. It is a very difficult situation.
I will also say this...I think some people are just large. Healthy but large.

i will agree with that. it is not always a cut and dry situation.

A good rule of thumb is that a child's stomach is roughly the size of their hand.

yep but a lot of parents do not know that

For the most part, yes I agree.

I would categorize it as neglect rather than abuse really, but I don't think that ALL overweight kids are automatically neglected.

for the most part, yes, i think so. not *all* the time, because we don't always know their situation. but i can't even watch those shows because i get so mad at the parents.

If the parent is deliberatley/knowingly overfeeding their child then I do believe it could be considered abuse. There are medical conditions that come along with being over weight. Their life span can also be lowered. In that sense it could be looked as the parent killing their child.

Now not every overweight child is being overfed. There are medical conditions that cause/contribute to their weight. And some kids are just bigger. Growing up I had a friend that wasn't overweight (at that time) but couldn't keep the weight off. She ate very healthy and was very into exercise. Yet the weight wouldn't stay off or come off. But her twin (fraternal) would eat the worst things you could think of and in huge portions and was as tiny as a stick. My friend had her thyroid tested and it was deemed to not be the problem. Her drs. believe she has a slow metabolism for some reason, even with all the exercise, though that has not been proven to be the case.

Also, we don't make our kids clean their plates. If they say they are done then they are excused but if they come back later the same plate is pulled out. I'm not a restaurant. :giggle But seriously, I think that has taught them when to tell if they are full or not cause they will stop before all the food is gone at times and others they stop when their plate is empty and other times they ask for more. And my kids are by no means overweight. In fact, they are small. Breanna is 6 1/2 and barely 43lbs. Johnny is 26 months and 24lbs. I'm not sure how much Evan weighs. He is 6 months now but the day after turning 4 months he weighed 15lbs. 4 ozs. He is my biggest baby.

Okay so I am putting this here because this topic has a tendency to get heated. Dr. Phil had extremely overweight children on yesterday. Do you think that parents who chronically overfeed their children are abusing their children? There was this 7 year old on who weighed 224 lbs. a 3 year old who weighs 80 lbs.

YES!!

Yes, and it makes me sick.

I was in a store the other day, and saw a mom and four kids-every one of them enormous. The oldest child looked to be maybe six, and weighed at least 150. She was literally round.
Cart full of twinkies, chips, corn dogs, etc.

Someone needs to take those kids away before she kills them.
IMO

yep but a lot of parents do not know that

If someone can't be bothered to educate themselves on children before having them, I bet food isn't the only issue the kids will have. :no

Yes, I think it is in some cases. I also honestly don't know how people afford to feed kids like that. We would always portion out things and let our kids only have a certain amount of something and that was it. I could not imagine being on a very limited income and allowing children to just go hog wild on the food in the home:eek

My husband is extremely thin and I am very thankful that my boys have taken after him and have always remained very thin too. I feel it just makes life easier for them with the way society is:dunno

absolutly! If they dont give that child that food that child will have no way of getting it

Of course you have to blame the parents.
Like Dr. Phil said. "They can't eat it, if you don't buy it."

What I found sad was, that 15 year old girl that was 351pounds.

I believe she was keeping her daughter large so she would have to keep depending on her.

I watched that show also. That was rather disturbing to watch. I agree with what Dr. Phil said with "they can't eat it if it isn't there." Most of the kids that were overweight also had overweight parents. Or mothers I guess was all we saw on there. They need to be eating healthier as well, it might set a better example for the children. If you see your mother always sitting on her butt eating cookies and ice cream...I sure some children will want to do the same thing.

I don't understand for the life of me why they would let their children get that overweight. ESPECIALLY a 3 year old.

Might I add before someone gets mad at me for this...that I am aware there are other issues with being overweight other than just over eating. But most of what was shown on that show seem to be over eaters and parents who just kept feeding their addiction. Like the child whines when they don't get to eat what they want...so they give in and let them have it anyway.

I watched yesterday also and YES I think alot of times it is enviromental and abusive. I will also say...having dealt with an overweight child, that sometimes it is not. My child suffers with a weight issue and she has NO medical issues. It is a battle that unless one goes through, has no room to judge. It is a very difficult situation.
I will also say this...I think some people are just large. Healthy but large.

:yes I agree

I agree that some people are healthy and large, but obese and large are two different things.

Fat rolls are not a sign of health. Someone who just carries more weight isn't the same thing as "fat".

I agree that it can be abuse but that's if all other reasons and "excuses" have been investigated. I couldn't believe that one mom who called in asking Dr Phil how to stop her 145lb daughter from stealing ice cream and candy bars at night, before he said anything, I was like quit buying the shit, lady! I am overweight but my kids are not! I have been battling this weight for a long time but was diagnosed with PCOS last year. I was at my heaviest at 250lbs when we moved to Korea. I have lost 45lbs this year! I started taking birth control pills in Feb and the weight literally fell off me. I know, wierd but I am not complaining. Other factors were involved, too, like the milk here is awful, no milk no junk food for me. I also walk everywhere, now.

I agree that some people are healthy and large, but obese and large are two different things.

Fat rolls are not a sign of health. Someone who just carries more weight isn't the same thing as "fat".

Though it may not appear to be a sign of health...I know plenty of "Fat" people who ARE healthy. I also know plenty of thin, skinny, less than large whatever one wants to call in UNHEALTHY.
While obesity is not ideal for health issues the fact is there are healthy obese people out there.

Though it may not appear to be a sign of health...I know plenty of "Fat" people who ARE healthy. I also know plenty of thin, skinny, less than large whatever one wants to call in UNHEALTHY.
While obesity is not ideal for health issues the fact is there are healthy obese people out there.

I agree that lots of obese people are free of disease and technically "healthy" :yes

I was just trying to say that IMO, large and obese are two very different things. Some people are predisposed to be large, but morbidly obese is either a big medical problem, or a lot of bad choices.

I agree that lots of obese people are free of disease and technically "healthy" :yes

I was just trying to say that IMO, large and obese are two very different things. Some people are predisposed to be large, but morbidly obese is either a big medical problem, or a lot of bad choices.

I catch ya. :D

lol I love how fat and healthy keep being put in quotations.

Yes obese and just being overweight are not the same thing. Obese people have extra fat...obviously, and have a VERY high risk of serious health problems. More often than not...they really aren't "healthy." Diabetes, high blood pressure, heart problems and the list goes on.

I'm not saying that there could not be a technically healthy obese person but it's not that likely. "Healthy overweight person" doesn't sound as much like an oxymoron.

I watched yesterday also and YES I think alot of times it is enviromental and abusive. I will also say...having dealt with an overweight child, that sometimes it is not. My child suffers with a weight issue and she has NO medical issues. It is a battle that unless one goes through, has no room to judge. It is a very difficult situation.
I will also say this...I think some people are just large. Healthy but large.

:tu totally agree :yes

lol I love how fat and healthy keep being put in quotations.

Yes obese and just being overweight are not the same thing. Obese people have extra fat...obviously, and have a VERY high risk of serious health problems. More often than not...they really aren't "healthy." Diabetes, high blood pressure, heart problems and the list goes on.

I'm not saying that there could not be a technically healthy obese person but it's not that likely. "Healthy overweight person" doesn't sound as much like an oxymoron.

I am very overweight...yes obese. I actually went to the doctor to find out about possibly doing the gastric bypass only to be told that I am Healthy and have no problems and would not be considered for it because I am healthy. :dunno

I am very overweight...yes obese. I actually went to the doctor to find out about possibly doing the gastric bypass only to be told that I am Healthy and have no problems and would not be considered for it because I am healthy. :dunno

I hope I wasn't sounding too rude with that...I never said all just the majority.

But...one may be healthy at one point and could be that way for a while...it's another thing to actually stay healthy. And that doesn't go for just obese or overweight people that basically goes for anyone. But that was the topic.

I hope I wasn't sounding too rude with that...I never said all just the majority.

But...one may be healthy at one point and could be that way for a while...it's another thing to actually stay healthy. And that doesn't go for just obese or overweight people that basically goes for anyone. But that was the topic.

I didn't take it that way, so don't worry about that :hugs I just was giving an example of being obese and considered "healthy". Even though I know technically being overweight is supposedley not healthy. I have been overweight my entire life.

I think the majority of the blame should be placed with the parents. DH and I went to supper at a buffet tonight and I had more than one person around us comment on the fact that DD was eating mostly vegetables, i.e. beans, broccoli, salad, etc. Why shouldn't she? That's what I gave her, that's what we eat around her. It is strictly up to the parent to set the guidelines and boundaries early on and make healthy eating something desirable rather than abnormal to the child.

I do also place some blame with the schools nowadays. I'm studying to be a teacher and I'm a school bus driver right now, the rate of obesity in all my kids (elementary through high school) is waaaaayyyy higher than it was when I was in school. But I talked to a couple of my elementary kids about it: they have PE once a week, they *might* have recess after lunch a couple times a week. And don't even get me started on school lunches. I made the mistake once while I was teacher shadowing of not bringing my own lunch, OMFG. :pukey.

I didn't take it that way, so don't worry about that :hugs I just was giving an example of being obese and considered "healthy". Even though I know technically being overweight is supposedley not healthy. I have been overweight my entire life.

Alright good! lol It was not my intent to make anyone angry. Which is why I normally stay out of the debates. I see how people get. hahah

Alright good! lol It was not my intent to make anyone angry. Which is why I normally stay out of the debates. I see how people get. hahah

:lol not angry at all!!


I agree Fridayheather about the school lunches...they are horrible!!! My kids definitely take their lunches to school.

I think the majority of the blame should be placed with the parents. DH and I went to supper at a buffet tonight and I had more than one person around us comment on the fact that DD was eating mostly vegetables, i.e. beans, broccoli, salad, etc. Why shouldn't she? That's what I gave her, that's what we eat around her. It is strictly up to the parent to set the guidelines and boundaries early on and make healthy eating something desirable rather than abnormal to the child.

I do also place some blame with the schools nowadays. I'm studying to be a teacher and I'm a school bus driver right now, the rate of obesity in all my kids (elementary through high school) is waaaaayyyy higher than it was when I was in school. But I talked to a couple of my elementary kids about it: they have PE once a week, they *might* have recess after lunch a couple times a week. And don't even get me started on school lunches. I made the mistake once while I was teacher shadowing of not bringing my own lunch, OMFG. :pukey.

Yeah I was kinda wondering about that. I had heard around here that they were going to stop all the recess and focus more of "education." I was about to say..and they wonder why kids are getting fat. We had recess all the time when I was in elementary. They probably aren't even required to have P.E. credits anymore to graduate. Wouldn't surprise me anyway.

People freak about Liam, too, Heather. His favorite food ever is tomatoes, spinach, and green onions...all chopped up in a bowl. He eats it with a spoon :lol He spit out the cake at his 1st birthday party because he'd never had sugar like that before. It's only because I never give him crap to eat, so he doesn't eat crap.

That sounded dumb but y'all know what I mean :lol

Also, Sunshyne-congrats on the clean bill of health! :five If you are good to go on the health side, not at risk for anything due to your weight, and happy as you are then people can F off. You're just a rarity! I think it's neat :woot

Yeah I was kinda wondering about that. I had heard around here that they were going to stop all the recess and focus more of "education." I was about to say..and they wonder why kids are getting fat. We had recess all the time when I was in elementary. They probably aren't even required to have P.E. credits anymore to graduate. Wouldn't surprise me anyway.

one of the reasons why they are needing to cut programs is because (at least in tx) standardized testing is sooooo prevelant and that is what gears all of the funding for schools. as far as i know through high school you still needed P.E. but i graduated in 04 so it might have changed

I didn't see the show but I don't think this issue is black and white, cut and dry. I believe there is some gray area where it is not all the parent's fault.

My children as babies have all been HUUUUGE and it's not b/c I overfeed them b/c Hunter has had reflux and up until a month or two ago was eating tiny tiny amounts at each sitting, he also loves mostly veggies over other things. Shelby was never a huge eater either. Jaxon was HUUUUGE as a baby but is now a bean pole and can't gain weight to save his life.

I think some weight issues are not always directly related to garbaging on junk all the time, but I am not a doctor so I can't say for sure what type of factors would be in that gray area.

I think that any parent who allows their obese child to garbage on junk food and overeat is definitely neglecting the child (I am not sure about ABUSE, but I would consider it neglect) and not making good decisions, but I would say that all moms with big babies are abusing them, no.

I am very overweight...yes obese. I actually went to the doctor to find out about possibly doing the gastric bypass only to be told that I am Healthy and have no problems and would not be considered for it because I am healthy. :dunno

I am over weight as well I need to lose about 90 lbs. I have never even ASKED about GBS because I am not over weight enough, and besides being fat (which I am unhappy about I hate it) I AM healthy, my Dr's always tell me that they have never seen cholesterol as low as mine unmedicated, my BP is also perfect. I would not say I am healthy because I am fat but medical wise besides being over weight I am fine. (body wise I have other health issues that are not physical.)

As for the OP I think if your child has weight issues it can be a VERY sensitive issue. I don't like to judge that parents because often they are doing it out of love OR there may be some health reason for the weight that I don't know anything about. So I guess I may say it is poor parenting choices/skills in some cases but not abuse.

People freak about Liam, too, Heather. His favorite food ever is tomatoes, spinach, and green onions...all chopped up in a bowl. He eats it with a spoon :lol He spit out the cake at his 1st birthday party because he'd never had sugar like that before. It's only because I never give him crap to eat, so he doesn't eat crap.

That sounded dumb but y'all know what I mean :lol

Also, Sunshyne-congrats on the clean bill of health! :five If you are good to go on the health side, not at risk for anything due to your weight, and happy as you are then people can F off. You're just a rarity! I think it's neat :woot

my kids are the same way they eat good foods because I have always GIVEN them good foods. I don't want them to have my issues with weight though. They get treats but I don't over load them on greasy fast/junk sweets type of foods. I don't get why the fact that both my kids like salads should surprise people.

Then again people expect poor eating/behavior habits from kids these days. When Darian was potty trained by 2 1/2 every where we went people would comment on it. A. it weirded me out because my childs restroom habits are not a strangers concern, & B. I don't see why it should be this huge big deal he didn't train early or anything. People get all up in your kool aid these days.

my kids are the same way they eat good foods because I have always GIVEN them good foods. I don't want them to have my issues with weight though. They get treats but I don't over load them on greasy fast/junk sweets type of foods. I don't get why the fact that both my kids like salads should surprise people.

Then again people expect poor eating/behavior habits from kids these days. When Darian was potty trained by 2 1/2 every where we went people would comment on it. A. it weirded me out because my childs restroom habits are not a strangers concern, & B. I don't see why it should be this huge big deal he didn't train early or anything. People get all up in your kool aid these days.


ITA. People freak about that with him, too. 2 isn't young to be potty trained.
If people spent more time raising their kids, and less time up in other parent's kool-aidzzz, their kids would eat well and pee where they're supposed to, too. :lol

First of all, we are talking about obesity. Not fat, not big boned, obesity. Obesity is not being able to: see your dick, feet, knees, etc. Not being able to remember the last time your arms were at less than a 45 degree angle. Not being able to sit on something that is not enforced with steel without breaking it. Breaking the scale when you step on it, not being able to walk through conventional doorways, maxing out an elevator, taking up two seats on an airplane,not being able put on a seat belt because they don't PUT that much seat belt in cars.

Now.....

Okay, no, everyone talking about medical problems and genetics, just take on look AT doctor phil. That is a great big man. A great big man who plays tennis everyday (which would woop the asses of almost anyone here, mind you) and controls what he eats. Doctor Phil is big boned, but he has this marvelous thing called self control.

Obesity just pisses me off. How could someone do that to their own body, let alone the body of their child? If you are walking around(or like that huge little girl who was so fat she had to shuffle around on her ass!) looking like jabba the fucking hut, I don't care if you have a thyroid disorder, fat family, blah blah blah. Turn in you "disabled" parking pass, get off the little motorized scooter things at Walmart/Target etc, and stop sucking down whatever the fuck you are eating that makes you look the way you do!

And stop complaining that stores do not have your size of clothes, and when you do find clothes, make sure it tucks everything in for god sake. I don't like seeing ANYONE's belly or asscrack, but especially not yours.

GAH! Obesity just pisses me the fuck off. Seriously. I am always torn between avoided obese people like the fucking plague, and walking up and smacking their food out of their hands.

And if you are horribly obese, and made yourself that way by choice, you should not have any kind of life saving surgery.

They don't give lifelong smokers new lungs, or bulimics new hearts, why do you get a new body?

And btw, I am referring to morbid obesity here. Just to let you know.

First of all, we are talking about obesity. Not fat, not big boned, obesity. Obesity is not being able to: see your dick, feet, knees, etc. Not being able to remember the last time your arms were at less than a 45 degree angle. Not being able to sit on something that is not enforced with steel without breaking it. Breaking the scale when you step on it, not being able to walk through conventional doorways, maxing out an elevator, taking up two seats on an airplane,not being able put on a seat belt because they don't PUT that much seat belt in cars.

Now.....

Okay, no, everyone talking about medical problems and genetics, just take on look AT doctor phil. That is a great big man. A great big man who plays tennis everyday (which would woop the asses of almost anyone here, mind you) and controls what he eats. Doctor Phil is big boned, but he has this marvelous thing called self control.

Obesity just pisses me off. How could someone do that to their own body, let alone the body of their child? If you are walking around(or like that huge little girl who was so fat she had to shuffle around on her ass!) looking like jabba the fucking hut, I don't care if you have a thyroid disorder, fat family, blah blah blah. Turn in you "disabled" parking pass, get off the little motorized scooter things at Walmart/Target etc, and stop sucking down whatever the fuck you are eating that makes you look the way you do!

And stop complaining that stores do not have your size of clothes, and when you do find clothes, make sure it tucks everything in for god sake. I don't like seeing ANYONE's belly or asscrack, but especially not yours.

GAH! Obesity just pisses me the fuck off. Seriously. I am always torn between avoided obese people like the fucking plague, and walking up and smacking their food out of their hands.

And if you are horribly obese, and made yourself that way by choice, you should not have any kind of life saving surgery.

They don't give lifelong smokers new lungs, or bulimics new hearts, why do you get a new body?


:no Wow, I think if I responded to you on this post I would probably for the first time ever turn into the hugest incredible bitch. Guess I better step away.

:no Wow, I think if I responded to you on this post I would probably for the first time ever turn into the hugest incredible bitch. Guess I better step away.

What makes obesity okay? It's an honest question. It messes with the body and mind so much, that all it does is destroy destroy destroy. It's just as bad if not worse than being too thin. (I know, I have depression induced anorexia, but hey, I am doing my damndest to fix myself. I can guarantee that most obese people don't do anything to improve their situation.) My sister used to be big. not obese, but big, and I heard all the excuses "I will look gross if I run at this weight", "I can't breath if I run", "I don't want to be ridiculed if I run". She bought loads of workout equipment that she never, ever used. Finally,she got a trainer, started eating right, and now she can actually GO running. Not everyone can afford a trainer, I know, but you can at least make a decision about what you will or will not eat, elevator vs stairs, walking across the parking lot instead of using a disabled placard to walk the shortest distance, etc.

My point being, this is a choice. People who CHOOSE to do these things to themselves don't really go very high on my sympathy list.

And btw, sunshyne (sp), I just now read your post calling yourself obese AND saw your picture. You aren't obese. You are carrying a little extra around, probably because you have two kids, and might eat like crap sometimes, and be stressed and all that fun crap.

You don't need gastric bypass. You need a walking partner and some veggies.

If what offended you was my view that morbidly obese individuals don't have a right to a new body because they fucked theirs up, and you felt I was saying YOU don't have a right to a new body, then look:
http://www.beyond.com.au/images/catalogue/beyond%20big.jpg
THAT is who let themselves spin so violently out of control that they don't deserve the kind of "quick fix" that comes from gastric.

Like I said, if someone chooses to actively destroy their body, through their day to day choices over a period of years (and judging not only from your picture but from the fact that a medical professional declared you too healthy to undergo a procedure so drastic, you have a long way to go before you have "destroyed" yourself) they shouldn't expect their insurance company to fix them right up! Like I said, smokers don't get new lungs, bulimics don't get new hearts, the morbidly obese who can't put down the burger and fries shouldn't get a new body.

But, once again, you are not obese. If a doctor has told you so, they might be saying that to scare you into a healthier lifestyle. You don't need some one to dig their filthy, germ infested hands through your body, lop off a piece of your stomach, stitch you up, and hope that you don't die because of random complications.

Some parents are irresponsible and lazy. You don't feed a 7 year old only junk food till he gets beyond fat. The child suffers physically and psychologically.

Obesity is a tragic fact of life.

Barring a DOCUMENTED medical condition and treatment efforts - yes. MOST of these children are not overweight because of medical conditions - they are overweight due to poor nutrition and lack of exercise, BOTH of which are things the parents DO have control over (whether they are willing to make the effort is an issue but they DO have the ability to control them). This isn't just about the kid being a little pudgy - this is about setting that child up for a lifetime of medical problems because of morbid obesity. Problems that would be directly related to their weight which is somethign that could be controlled and those issues thus prevented.

YES!!! My friend just told me at the Dr her DD who is 10 weighed in at 133. I told her along with the Dr to keep a close eye on her.

First of all, we are talking about obesity. Not fat, not big boned, obesity. Obesity is not being able to: see your dick, feet, knees, etc. Not being able to remember the last time your arms were at less than a 45 degree angle. Not being able to sit on something that is not enforced with steel without breaking it. Breaking the scale when you step on it, not being able to walk through conventional doorways, maxing out an elevator, taking up two seats on an airplane,not being able put on a seat belt because they don't PUT that much seat belt in cars.

Now.....

Okay, no, everyone talking about medical problems and genetics, just take on look AT doctor phil. That is a great big man. A great big man who plays tennis everyday (which would woop the asses of almost anyone here, mind you) and controls what he eats. Doctor Phil is big boned, but he has this marvelous thing called self control.

Obesity just pisses me off. How could someone do that to their own body, let alone the body of their child? If you are walking around(or like that huge little girl who was so fat she had to shuffle around on her ass!) looking like jabba the fucking hut, I don't care if you have a thyroid disorder, fat family, blah blah blah. Turn in you "disabled" parking pass, get off the little motorized scooter things at Walmart/Target etc, and stop sucking down whatever the fuck you are eating that makes you look the way you do!

And stop complaining that stores do not have your size of clothes, and when you do find clothes, make sure it tucks everything in for god sake. I don't like seeing ANYONE's belly or asscrack, but especially not yours.

GAH! Obesity just pisses me the fuck off. Seriously. I am always torn between avoided obese people like the fucking plague, and walking up and smacking their food out of their hands.

And if you are horribly obese, and made yourself that way by choice, you should not have any kind of life saving surgery.

They don't give lifelong smokers new lungs, or bulimics new hearts, why do you get a new body?

I find this post rather offending and ignorant. And before I go off on you I will simply stop now and not say any more

GAH! Obesity just pisses me the fuck off. Seriously. I am always torn between avoided obese people like the fucking plague, and walking up and smacking their food out of their hands.

And if you are horribly obese, and made yourself that way by choice, you should not have any kind of life saving surgery.

They don't give lifelong smokers new lungs, or bulimics new hearts, why do you get a new body?

Okay, I just can't step away. My husband had GBS in June because, yes, he was morbid obese. He was in the Navy (and no he didn't get a medical discharge) and worked out DAILY, dieted, didn't have thyroid problems or any other medical problems related to obesity. He just suddenly had started gaining weight at a very fast rate and couldn't lose it any other way. So before you get on your fucking high horse, think aout the fact that 'those people' are still people with FEELINGS and not all can change things without the help of an oftentimes LIFE saving surgery.

What makes obesity okay? It's an honest question. It messes with the body and mind so much, that all it does is destroy destroy destroy. It's just as bad if not worse than being too thin. (I know, I have depression induced anorexia, but hey, I am doing my damndest to fix myself. I can guarantee that most obese people don't do anything to improve their situation.) My sister used to be big. not obese, but big, and I heard all the excuses "I will look gross if I run at this weight", "I can't breath if I run", "I don't want to be ridiculed if I run". She bought loads of workout equipment that she never, ever used. Finally,she got a trainer, started eating right, and now she can actually GO running. Not everyone can afford a trainer, I know, but you can at least make a decision about what you will or will not eat, elevator vs stairs, walking across the parking lot instead of using a disabled placard to walk the shortest distance, etc.

Just because you have seen this attitude in your sister doesn't mean that every obese person doesn't do anything about it. I saw it with my husband how hard he tried and instead of losing weight, he kept on gaining weight. Do you have any idea what THAT does to a person mental health? To try and try as hard as you can, get shit about it at work because you aren't within standard any more and yet still have to continue to go on and on and just to keep trying?

My point being, this is a choice. People who CHOOSE to do these things to themselves don't really go very high on my sympathy list.

Until you have talked to the person you have no fucking idea whether it was a choice for them or not. And to basically say it is a fucking choice for everyone, maybe start thinking. It is NOT always a choice. I'm not saying that it can't be for some but once people get to a certain level it is so easy to give up. So again, maybe think about the fact that there are many different factors that come into play.

And btw, sunshyne (sp), I just now read your post calling yourself obese AND saw your picture. You aren't obese. You are carrying a little extra around, probably because you have two kids, and might eat like crap sometimes, and be stressed and all that fun crap.

You don't need gastric bypass. You need a walking partner and some veggies.

Once a person reaches a certain level it isn't as easy as simply getting 'a walking partner and eating veggies'

If what offended you was my view that morbidly obese individuals don't have a right to a new body because they fucked theirs up, and you felt I was saying YOU don't have a right to a new body, then look:
http://www.beyond.com.au/images/catalogue/beyond%20big.jpg
THAT is who let themselves spin so violently out of control that they don't deserve the kind of "quick fix" that comes from gastric

Gastric bypass is by no means an easy fix. Again, educate yourself before opening your mouth.

Like I said, if someone chooses to actively destroy their body, through their day to day choices over a period of years (and judging not only from your picture but from the fact that a medical professional declared you too healthy to undergo a procedure so drastic, you have a long way to go before you have "destroyed" yourself) they shouldn't expect their insurance company to fix them right up! Like I said, smokers don't get new lungs, bulimics don't get new hearts, the morbidly obese who can't put down the burger and fries shouldn't get a new body.

But, once again, you are not obese. If a doctor has told you so, they might be saying that to scare you into a healthier lifestyle. You don't need some one to dig their filthy, germ infested hands through your body, lop off a piece of your stomach, stitch you up, and hope that you don't die because of random complications.

:handup That's all I will even say to this part/

Every time there is a weight thread(or anyone even mentions weight) people get reallyoffended... :puzz

I'm genuinely curious about the dynamics of the noard now, makes me want to post an anonymous poll...

Yup, I will.

loretta you are too funny. i know i'm sensitive about weight issues because i've watched my entire family suffer from weight related issues (thyroid, diabetes, high cholesterol, blood pressure, etc) and some of them have done something about it (not all but some). i think a lot (NOT ALL but ALOT) of people want to use their medical conditions as an excuse by saying something like "i have diabetes and that's why i'm fat." unless you have a certifiable medical problem (like PCOS or hormonal issues, etc) that makes you obese i think you should be trying to do something about it but that's just me. i've seen the first hand effects. dh explained BMI much better to me the other day and basically he said that BMI is the measure of the wear and tear your body has on it from your weight. if you are out of your BMI range (which he does admit is semi-biased) you are putting more wear and tear on your body even if you are the healthiest person out of your BMI range kwim?

i so hope that made sense lol

And btw, sunshyne (sp), I just now read your post calling yourself obese AND saw your picture. You aren't obese. You are carrying a little extra around, probably because you have two kids, and might eat like crap sometimes, and be stressed and all that fun crap.

You don't need gastric bypass. You need a walking partner and some veggies.

If what offended you was my view that morbidly obese individuals don't have a right to a new body because they fucked theirs up, and you felt I was saying YOU don't have a right to a new body, then look:
http://www.beyond.com.au/images/catalogue/beyond%20big.jpg
THAT is who let themselves spin so violently out of control that they don't deserve the kind of "quick fix" that comes from gastric.

Like I said, if someone chooses to actively destroy their body, through their day to day choices over a period of years (and judging not only from your picture but from the fact that a medical professional declared you too healthy to undergo a procedure so drastic, you have a long way to go before you have "destroyed" yourself) they shouldn't expect their insurance company to fix them right up! Like I said, smokers don't get new lungs, bulimics don't get new hearts, the morbidly obese who can't put down the burger and fries shouldn't get a new body.

But, once again, you are not obese. If a doctor has told you so, they might be saying that to scare you into a healthier lifestyle. You don't need some one to dig their filthy, germ infested hands through your body, lop off a piece of your stomach, stitch you up, and hope that you don't die because of random complications.

I stepped away...I don't know why I am back, but here I am. You know my comment wasn't even so much because of the fact that I am overweight......it is more over the fact of how someone can sound so viciously cruel about another HUMAN BEING. You DON'T know what goes in in OTHER peoples lives and you have NOT walked a mile in THEIR shoes. I don't write things down as well as I would like to continue to debate this in the "right words" or I would elaborate.

Okay, I just can't step away. My husband had GBS in June because, yes, he was morbid obese. He was in the Navy (and no he didn't get a medical discharge) and worked out DAILY, dieted, didn't have thyroid problems or any other medical problems related to obesity. He just suddenly had started gaining weight at a very fast rate and couldn't lose it any other way. So before you get on your fucking high horse, think aout the fact that 'those people' are still people with FEELINGS and not all can change things without the help of an oftentimes LIFE saving surgery.



Just because you have seen this attitude in your sister doesn't mean that every obese person doesn't do anything about it. I saw it with my husband how hard he tried and instead of losing weight, he kept on gaining weight. Do you have any idea what THAT does to a person mental health? To try and try as hard as you can, get shit about it at work because you aren't within standard any more and yet still have to continue to go on and on and just to keep trying?



Until you have talked to the person you have no fucking idea whether it was a choice for them or not. And to basically say it is a fucking choice for everyone, maybe start thinking. It is NOT always a choice. I'm not saying that it can't be for some but once people get to a certain level it is so easy to give up. So again, maybe think about the fact that there are many different factors that come into play.



Once a person reaches a certain level it isn't as easy as simply getting 'a walking partner and eating veggies'



Gastric bypass is by no means an easy fix. Again, educate yourself before opening your mouth.



:handup That's all I will even say to this part/


:yes to everything Kris said!!!!!!

First of all, we are talking about obesity. Not fat, not big boned, obesity. Obesity is not being able to: see your dick, feet, knees, etc. Not being able to remember the last time your arms were at less than a 45 degree angle. Not being able to sit on something that is not enforced with steel without breaking it. Breaking the scale when you step on it, not being able to walk through conventional doorways, maxing out an elevator, taking up two seats on an airplane,not being able put on a seat belt because they don't PUT that much seat belt in cars.

Now.....

Okay, no, everyone talking about medical problems and genetics, just take on look AT doctor phil. That is a great big man. A great big man who plays tennis everyday (which would woop the asses of almost anyone here, mind you) and controls what he eats. Doctor Phil is big boned, but he has this marvelous thing called self control.

Obesity just pisses me off. How could someone do that to their own body, let alone the body of their child? If you are walking around(or like that huge little girl who was so fat she had to shuffle around on her ass!) looking like jabba the fucking hut, I don't care if you have a thyroid disorder, fat family, blah blah blah. Turn in you "disabled" parking pass, get off the little motorized scooter things at Walmart/Target etc, and stop sucking down whatever the fuck you are eating that makes you look the way you do!

And stop complaining that stores do not have your size of clothes, and when you do find clothes, make sure it tucks everything in for god sake. I don't like seeing ANYONE's belly or asscrack, but especially not yours.

GAH! Obesity just pisses me the fuck off. Seriously. I am always torn between avoided obese people like the fucking plague, and walking up and smacking their food out of their hands.

And if you are horribly obese, and made yourself that way by choice, you should not have any kind of life saving surgery.

They don't give lifelong smokers new lungs, or bulimics new hearts, why do you get a new body?




ok, first of all, Morbid obesity is NOT not being able to: see your dick, feet, knees, etc. Not being able to remember the last time your arms were at less than a 45 degree angle. Not being able to sit on something that is not enforced with steel without breaking it. Breaking the scale when you step on it, not being able to walk through conventional doorways, maxing out an elevator, taking up two seats on an airplane,not being able put on a seat belt because they don't PUT that much seat belt in cars.


Morbid Obesity is when you are 100lbs overweight OR have a BMI of 40 or higher.

I, personally would be considered morbidly obese, as I could probably lose about 100lbs and be at an ideal weight. But, like others have said...when i go to my DR he says I am healthy. I really dont appreciate your rude comments when you obviously have a lack of eduation on the subject.

Secondly, how dare you talk about smacking food out of someones hand because they are overweight? Now, I dont feel this way and I am just using this as a point.....but wouldnt that be the same as me saying that whenever I see someone who is very thin, I want to run up and shove a burger in their mouth so they will gain some damn weight??? I bet you would freak if I posted something like that in another thread! That is so incredibly ignorant, I cant even believe you would say something like that. How inconsiderate!

And, as for you avoiding overweight people...I dont even know what to say to that. It is sad that there are people in the world like you who would judge someone solely on what they look like. That is not any better that someone who would judge someone by the color of their skin. How sad for you. :no

Revealed: why slim people dislike the overweight
By Roger Dobson andIan Griggs
Published: 29 July 2007

From the taunting of the chubby child in the playground to cruel jibes at fat people in work and social settings, few could doubt there is widespread prejudice against the overweight. However, according to research reported in Evolution and Human Behavior some people suffer abuse because being too fat is mistaken by the brain for a sign of disease.

Researchers say the immune system can be triggered into action at the sight of obesity because it doesn't like the look of what it sees, and associates it with infection.

Just as it orchestrates attacks on viruses and bacteria and triggers nausea at the hint of bad food, so it sends out signals of disgust in some people at the sight of an obese body that is designed to encourage avoidance and survival.

The finding comes just days after research in The New England Journal of Medicine suggested that obesity is contagious, in a social rather than bacteriological sense.

"Antipathy toward obese people is a powerful and pervasive prejudice in many contemporary populations. Our results reveal, for the first time, that this prejudice may be rooted in multiple, independent mechanisms. They provide the first evidence that obesity serves as a cue for pathogen infection,'' say the University of British Columbia researchers.

They say a behavioural immune system appears to have evolved in humans that is designed to detect body signs that are related to disease, like rashes and lesions. The sight of them triggers disgust as well as negative attitudes and avoidance. The system errs in favour of over-reacting because failure to react to a real danger could be fatal.

Researchers carried out a number of experiments, including word associations and tests where they compared the reactions and views of men and women to obesity.

The results show that people who agreed with comments such as "it really bothers me when people sneeze without covering their mouths" were more likely to agree with statement such as "if I were an employer looking to hire, I might avoid hiring a fat person". The greater the fear of disease, the stronger the negative feeling about obesity.


That is why I avoid fat people. It's a natural response.

Revealed: why slim people dislike the overweight
By Roger Dobson andIan Griggs
Published: 29 July 2007

From the taunting of the chubby child in the playground to cruel jibes at fat people in work and social settings, few could doubt there is widespread prejudice against the overweight. However, according to research reported in Evolution and Human Behavior some people suffer abuse because being too fat is mistaken by the brain for a sign of disease.

Researchers say the immune system can be triggered into action at the sight of obesity because it doesn't like the look of what it sees, and associates it with infection.

Just as it orchestrates attacks on viruses and bacteria and triggers nausea at the hint of bad food, so it sends out signals of disgust in some people at the sight of an obese body that is designed to encourage avoidance and survival.

The finding comes just days after research in The New England Journal of Medicine suggested that obesity is contagious, in a social rather than bacteriological sense.

"Antipathy toward obese people is a powerful and pervasive prejudice in many contemporary populations. Our results reveal, for the first time, that this prejudice may be rooted in multiple, independent mechanisms. They provide the first evidence that obesity serves as a cue for pathogen infection,'' say the University of British Columbia researchers.

They say a behavioural immune system appears to have evolved in humans that is designed to detect body signs that are related to disease, like rashes and lesions. The sight of them triggers disgust as well as negative attitudes and avoidance. The system errs in favour of over-reacting because failure to react to a real danger could be fatal.

Researchers carried out a number of experiments, including word associations and tests where they compared the reactions and views of men and women to obesity.

The results show that people who agreed with comments such as "it really bothers me when people sneeze without covering their mouths" were more likely to agree with statement such as "if I were an employer looking to hire, I might avoid hiring a fat person". The greater the fear of disease, the stronger the negative feeling about obesity.


That is why I avoid fat people. It's a natural response.

Way to not take responsibility for the fact that you're hateful to people you don't even know. <applauds>

Honestly, it makes me laugh that you say fat people can help being fat, but you can't help hating them. LMAO.....freaking hysterical.

Tauni did you post that in an effort to sya the way you feel is an okie dokie way to feel? I had a friend that talks about over weight people the same way that you do. SHE finds their largeness to be triggering of HER ana issues. You can hear it in her tone when she goes of on a rant about obese people. It's her ED talking but I still found it to be disgusting and cruel.

I don't have a point only that just as much as YOU hate being called ana or any other ED because of YOUR weight loss and inability to gain weight you would think you might have some compassion for the EXACT SAME thing on the other end of the scale. (no pun intended)

People are not cruel to the obese because their immune systems, they are cruel because our society tells them that they are allowed to be that way. Thin is in after all. It is a bullshit theory, that allows people to scapegoat their darker nature.

Way to not take responsibility for the fact that you're hateful to people you don't even know. <applauds>

Honestly, it makes me laugh that you say fat people can help being fat, but you can't help hating them. LMAO.....freaking hysterical.

This response is ingrained in the human psyche. Why do you think so many overweight people have issues with being overweight? Yes, it is partially because of the social response, but people also know that the way obesity makes them feel is just wrong. It's hard on your joints, it's hard on your skin, it's hard on your heart, it is hard on your emotional and mental components.

And often times, children who are obese learned their habits from obese parents. They emulate us in everything we do, and if they choose to emulate our body shape, and become obese, we are destroying them.

And often times, children who are obese learned their habits from obese parents. They emulate us in everything we do, and if they choose to emulate our body shape, and become obese, we are destroying them.

Yeah, I will have to pretty much agree with this. It's kinda like what I was saying before.

This response is ingrained in the human psyche.

That's right, obese people should have enough self control to stop eating, but you yourself don't need to practice self control and not hate them. Makes *perfect* sense.

And also reminds me why I have no girlfriends....

(And no, I'm not obese)

Revealed: why slim people dislike the overweight
By Roger Dobson andIan Griggs
Published: 29 July 2007

From the taunting of the chubby child in the playground to cruel jibes at fat people in work and social settings, few could doubt there is widespread prejudice against the overweight. However, according to research reported in Evolution and Human Behavior some people suffer abuse because being too fat is mistaken by the brain for a sign of disease.

Researchers say the immune system can be triggered into action at the sight of obesity because it doesn't like the look of what it sees, and associates it with infection.

Just as it orchestrates attacks on viruses and bacteria and triggers nausea at the hint of bad food, so it sends out signals of disgust in some people at the sight of an obese body that is designed to encourage avoidance and survival.

The finding comes just days after research in The New England Journal of Medicine suggested that obesity is contagious, in a social rather than bacteriological sense.

"Antipathy toward obese people is a powerful and pervasive prejudice in many contemporary populations. Our results reveal, for the first time, that this prejudice may be rooted in multiple, independent mechanisms. They provide the first evidence that obesity serves as a cue for pathogen infection,'' say the University of British Columbia researchers.

They say a behavioural immune system appears to have evolved in humans that is designed to detect body signs that are related to disease, like rashes and lesions. The sight of them triggers disgust as well as negative attitudes and avoidance. The system errs in favour of over-reacting because failure to react to a real danger could be fatal.

Researchers carried out a number of experiments, including word associations and tests where they compared the reactions and views of men and women to obesity.

The results show that people who agreed with comments such as "it really bothers me when people sneeze without covering their mouths" were more likely to agree with statement such as "if I were an employer looking to hire, I might avoid hiring a fat person". The greater the fear of disease, the stronger the negative feeling about obesity.


That is why I avoid fat people. It's a natural response.

Then avoid me sweety cause I'm fat. And if you ever tried to slap food out of my hand I would have you arrested for assault.

Do you have kids? What about genetics? These both contributed to my weight. My husband doesn't mind my weight nor my friends nor kids. So why should you. It's none of your damn business. That would be like me saying I hate skinny people.
Some people can be so ignorant.

Barring a DOCUMENTED medical condition and treatment efforts - yes. MOST of these children are not overweight because of medical conditions - they are overweight due to poor nutrition and lack of exercise, BOTH of which are things the parents DO have control over (whether they are willing to make the effort is an issue but they DO have the ability to control them). This isn't just about the kid being a little pudgy - this is about setting that child up for a lifetime of medical problems because of morbid obesity. Problems that would be directly related to their weight which is somethign that could be controlled and those issues thus prevented.

:agree
A child did not get that way overnight. It just does not happen that way. If my child were gaining alot of weight and I thought I was choosing right foods I would get his/her butt to the Dr ASAP. I would not weight until the weight became a HUGE problem. I understand medical conditions having an effect. I am not talking about that. I am talking about parents who just let kids eat and eat. No limits. That's a problem. It a child. They can only eat what you provide.

UGH I am so pissed off after reading this post...

I tended to not respond to your posts tauni because i usually just dont know what to say. BUT...

THIS HAS JUST PISSED ME OFF...how dare you draw assumptions like that about people. How would you like it if someone said that skinny people who say they have an ED make me sick that I want to slap them.

I am overweight due to a hormonal problem and i am EXTREMELY athletic and am very outdoorsy. I have INCREDIBLE IMPECABLE skin also. OH AND for shits and giggles other than my hormone issue, i am 10000000000000000% healthy. I just had a baby and my dr was so completely blown away that my BP and Sugar levels were better than a person who weighs 120 pounds.

Like Kris (germanchic) stated about her husband, mine also has a issue with loosing weight. AND I DARE YOU TO SLAP FOOD OUT OF HIS HANDS, cause oh wait, he is heavy and is a second degree blackbelt in taekwondo and judo.

Revealed: why slim people dislike the overweight
By Roger Dobson andIan Griggs
Published: 29 July 2007

From the taunting of the chubby child in the playground to cruel jibes at fat people in work and social settings, few could doubt there is widespread prejudice against the overweight. However, according to research reported in Evolution and Human Behavior some people suffer abuse because being too fat is mistaken by the brain for a sign of disease.

Researchers say the immune system can be triggered into action at the sight of obesity because it doesn't like the look of what it sees, and associates it with infection.

Just as it orchestrates attacks on viruses and bacteria and triggers nausea at the hint of bad food, so it sends out signals of disgust in some people at the sight of an obese body that is designed to encourage avoidance and survival.

The finding comes just days after research in The New England Journal of Medicine suggested that obesity is contagious, in a social rather than bacteriological sense.

"Antipathy toward obese people is a powerful and pervasive prejudice in many contemporary populations. Our results reveal, for the first time, that this prejudice may be rooted in multiple, independent mechanisms. They provide the first evidence that obesity serves as a cue for pathogen infection,'' say the University of British Columbia researchers.

They say a behavioural immune system appears to have evolved in humans that is designed to detect body signs that are related to disease, like rashes and lesions. The sight of them triggers disgust as well as negative attitudes and avoidance. The system errs in favour of over-reacting because failure to react to a real danger could be fatal.

Researchers carried out a number of experiments, including word associations and tests where they compared the reactions and views of men and women to obesity.

The results show that people who agreed with comments such as "it really bothers me when people sneeze without covering their mouths" were more likely to agree with statement such as "if I were an employer looking to hire, I might avoid hiring a fat person". The greater the fear of disease, the stronger the negative feeling about obesity.


That is why I avoid fat people. It's a natural response.


Woe is you. You have to suffer by seeing obese people, because your immune system tells you to react to it as if they are infectious? BS. This is just an easy and convinient excuse for you amd others to use. A good and oh so easy way to avoid answering all those that are offended and upset by your post. Poor you has no choice BUT to avoid 'fat people' and to be blatantly rude and hurtful. You say yourself that you have 'depression induced anorexia', how would you feel if someone told YOU to just get over yourself and eat because it is your choice to be anorexic?

Woe is you. You have to suffer by seeing obese people, because your immune system tells you to react to it as if they are infectious? BS. This is just an easy and convinient excuse for you amd others to use. A good and oh so easy way to avoid answering all those that are offended and upset by your post. Poor you has no choice BUT to avoid 'fat people' and to be blatantly rude and hurtful. You say yourself that you have 'depression induced anorexia', how would you feel if someone told YOU to just get over yourself and eat because it is your choice to be anorexic?

:cp You go GIRL!

Woe is you. You have to suffer by seeing obese people, because your immune system tells you to react to it as if they are infectious? BS. This is just an easy and convinient excuse for you amd others to use. A good and oh so easy way to avoid answering all those that are offended and upset by your post. Poor you has no choice BUT to avoid 'fat people' and to be blatantly rude and hurtful. You say yourself that you have 'depression induced anorexia', how would you feel if someone told YOU to just get over yourself and eat because it is your choice to be anorexic?

:clap You said it so much better than I could have.

ok, first of all, Morbid obesity is NOT


Morbid Obesity is when you are 100lbs overweight OR have a BMI of 40 or higher.

I, personally would be considered morbidly obese, as I could probably lose about 100lbs and be at an ideal weight. But, like others have said...when i go to my DR he says I am healthy. I really dont appreciate your rude comments when you obviously have a lack of eduation on the subject.

Secondly, how dare you talk about smacking food out of someones hand because they are overweight? Now, I dont feel this way and I am just using this as a point.....but wouldnt that be the same as me saying that whenever I see someone who is very thin, I want to run up and shove a burger in their mouth so they will gain some damn weight??? I bet you would freak if I posted something like that in another thread! That is so incredibly ignorant, I cant even believe you would say something like that. How inconsiderate!

And, as for you avoiding overweight people...I dont even know what to say to that. It is sad that there are people in the world like you who would judge someone solely on what they look like. That is not any better that someone who would judge someone by the color of their skin. How sad for you. :no

Revealed: why slim people dislike the overweight
By Roger Dobson andIan Griggs
Published: 29 July 2007

From the taunting of the chubby child in the playground to cruel jibes at fat people in work and social settings, few could doubt there is widespread prejudice against the overweight. However, according to research reported in Evolution and Human Behavior some people suffer abuse because being too fat is mistaken by the brain for a sign of disease.

Researchers say the immune system can be triggered into action at the sight of obesity because it doesn't like the look of what it sees, and associates it with infection.

Just as it orchestrates attacks on viruses and bacteria and triggers nausea at the hint of bad food, so it sends out signals of disgust in some people at the sight of an obese body that is designed to encourage avoidance and survival.

The finding comes just days after research in The New England Journal of Medicine suggested that obesity is contagious, in a social rather than bacteriological sense.

"Antipathy toward obese people is a powerful and pervasive prejudice in many contemporary populations. Our results reveal, for the first time, that this prejudice may be rooted in multiple, independent mechanisms. They provide the first evidence that obesity serves as a cue for pathogen infection,'' say the University of British Columbia researchers.

They say a behavioural immune system appears to have evolved in humans that is designed to detect body signs that are related to disease, like rashes and lesions. The sight of them triggers disgust as well as negative attitudes and avoidance. The system errs in favour of over-reacting because failure to react to a real danger could be fatal.

Researchers carried out a number of experiments, including word associations and tests where they compared the reactions and views of men and women to obesity.

The results show that people who agreed with comments such as "it really bothers me when people sneeze without covering their mouths" were more likely to agree with statement such as "if I were an employer looking to hire, I might avoid hiring a fat person". The greater the fear of disease, the stronger the negative feeling about obesity.


That is why I avoid fat people. It's a natural response.

OK, I've taken time to read all of the responses here. I am trying very hard to see both sides of this issue. Darn, it's hard.

I am someone who not only has a hormonal balance, but also an eating disorder. That said, I have worked off seventy pounds since my own doctor called me fat. Not obese, not morbidly obese.... he called me fat. I was 300 lbs., and I was miserable.

I'm still working on losing that weight, but my body has currently hit a plateau. I'm working to get off of that.

How dare you infer that someone being intolerant of another being is a physical response, Tauni? Have you ever heard the term 'psychosomatic'?

Now mind, as you mentioned, I know you also have an eating disorder. How would you feel if someone came up to you and gave you problems because of your weight and mocked your struggle towards health? Unhealthily low body weight is just as destructive as unhealthily high body weight, even if in different fashions.

Please think about what you post in future, Tauni.

And to answer the original question of the post, I feel that to overfeed a child is very damaging, yes. It is important to know your child's physical and emotional needs, whatever they may be.

How dare you infer that someone being intolerant of another being is a physical response, Tauni? Have you ever heard the term 'psychosomatic'?

Now mind, as you mentioned, I know you also have an eating disorder. How would you feel if someone came up to you and gave you problems because of your weight and mocked your struggle towards health? Unhealthily low body weight is just as destructive as unhealthily high body weight, even if in different fashions.
Please think about what you post in future, Tauni.

And to answer the original question of the post, I feel that to overfeed a child is very damaging, yes. It is important to know your child's physical and emotional needs, whatever they may be.


ITA. :yes

I guess Tauni should leave the site becuase we might infect her

Those were pretty wildly insensitive comments in general, especially coming from someone who claims to have their own eating disorder/medical history.

I'm pretty average in size, proportionate if you will. Whether I take up two airline seats, or half of one, I dare anyone to hit food away from my mouth. :lol

To answer the original post, it's the parents responsibility to take care of their children, that includes feeding them a healthy diet.

I refuse to read threw this ENTIRE thread. Not in a good mood so I know I will end up getting beyond pissed at some people.

So I will simply state this even though it might have been stated before. Obesity stems from different reasons.

One reason being SOME do not know how to control their intake on food. They eat till they are beyond full.. then eat again for EMOTIONAL reasons.

Another reason is that some Obese people suffer from medical conditions that stem from their family genes. For me example. I am slightly overweight due to having Thyroid Diease aka Hashimotos Thyroiditis. Due to my Thyroid it causes me to gain weight. For some it might cause them to lose. All by how the persons body works.

Some children that are obese might have a medical condition that is over looked by docotors. My thryoid was not cought until I was 19. (Something to think about)

Children tend to not watch what they put in their mouth. It is the PARENTS duty to watch their intake on food and monitor how many calories and fat is in the food they eat.

In todays Society..all types and sizes of people have Obese kids. One can not simply state that it is just the overweight with the obese kids because it simply isnt that case. Look around... open your eyes and you will see that!

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In todays Society..all types and sizes of people have Obese kids. One can not simply state that it is just the overweight with the obese kids because it simply isnt that case. Look around... open your eyes and you will see that!

Great point. :yes

First of all, we are talking about obesity. Not fat, not big boned, obesity. Obesity is not being able to: see your dick, feet, knees, etc. Not being able to remember the last time your arms were at less than a 45 degree angle. Not being able to sit on something that is not enforced with steel without breaking it. Breaking the scale when you step on it, not being able to walk through conventional doorways, maxing out an elevator, taking up two seats on an airplane,not being able put on a seat belt because they don't PUT that much seat belt in cars.

Now.....

Okay, no, everyone talking about medical problems and genetics, just take on look AT doctor phil. That is a great big man. A great big man who plays tennis everyday (which would woop the asses of almost anyone here, mind you) and controls what he eats. Doctor Phil is big boned, but he has this marvelous thing called self control.

Obesity just pisses me off. How could someone do that to their own body, let alone the body of their child? If you are walking around(or like that huge little girl who was so fat she had to shuffle around on her ass!) looking like jabba the fucking hut, I don't care if you have a thyroid disorder, fat family, blah blah blah. Turn in you "disabled" parking pass, get off the little motorized scooter things at Walmart/Target etc, and stop sucking down whatever the fuck you are eating that makes you look the way you do!

And stop complaining that stores do not have your size of clothes, and when you do find clothes, make sure it tucks everything in for god sake. I don't like seeing ANYONE's belly or asscrack, but especially not yours.

GAH! Obesity just pisses me the fuck off. Seriously. I am always torn between avoided obese people like the fucking plague, and walking up and smacking their food out of their hands.

And if you are horribly obese, and made yourself that way by choice, you should not have any kind of life saving surgery.

They don't give lifelong smokers new lungs, or bulimics new hearts, why do you get a new body?

Ok I read.. and I'm PISSED! I was fine with you up till now. What gives you the right to judge? Obese people can say the same damn thing about you. Things like "Shes a skeleton" "Wow that girl shouldn't wear that she aint got no boobs!" Before you go rambling on about something that maybe SOMEONE cant control.. make sure they cant turn around and start bashing you for ways your body looks.

Its people like you that just make me sick. You have this high chip on your shoulder and think your better then everyone else because you might be a size 2. Well hun YOUR NOT

If you dont like obese people then why not just stay in your house applying your makeup and acting like a little coward of a child. By saying what you said up there show's a nature of yourself.. a nature of being a child. Adults would not go around bashing people for the way they look.. nor would they be so disgusted as to actully say things such as that. Yes we know it is a problem in America today.. but as AMERICANS we are all brothers and sisters. AND AS BROTHERS AND SISTERS WE ALL STAND TOGETHER! Never in my life have I felt such a distaste or dislike for someone as much as I do now!


--Sorry to everyone else.. I was just slightly offended by that comment.. Auntie is in town and in a pissy mood--

I just am appaled at some of the things Im reading... yea maybe not.
I didn't ask to gain 30 fucking pounds this year or be diagnosed with a fucking hormone disorder that not only killed my metabolism but makes me not able to have babies easily if ever. I exercised my ass off, counted calories till my DH was afraid I was going to have an eating disorder and lost 5 lbs and gained it all back still on the diet. I hate it but life sucks sometimes. Yea Im only 205 and I don't look it but I hate it and I try my damndest, but I don't loose the wieght, I don't gain it but I am not losing it.
Some people do it to themselves, yes but that gives no one the right to talk so horribly to them or about them. Why are some people so damn judgemental? Not every slight overwieght kids parents are abusing them. Now a kid that weights so much he can't walk and their Mom gives them ho hos and ding dongs to keep them happy... that is a totally different subject. They need some help. But, some kids and people are just heavier and weight heavier on the scales.

I don't think someone should be judging another person when they have their own issues. Sure your entitled to your opinion, but just remember while your calling someone else weak or disgusting, someone else is thinking that about you.

I do think parents are responsible for what their children eat.

YES! They are supplying the food!

I don't think someone should be judging another person when they have their own issues. Sure your entitled to your opinion, but just remember while your calling someone else weak or disgusting, someone else is thinking that about you.

I do think parents are responsible for what their children eat.

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OMG. I just sat and read this whole thread and I'm in shock. How can people be so hateful?? Just becuase your skinny doesn't make you healthy. I'm overweight, yet according to my dr I'm in great health. I have a perfect bp. low cholesterol., can run a mile in 8 minutes, No heart issues, but I'm disgusting b/c I have a few extra pounds?? What a bunch of bull. And as for all obese/overweight/plus size, whatever you want to call it people having psychosocial issues and being depressed b/c of their weight. Thats not true. I love myself as I am. Would I be ok with loosing 50 lbs, sure but if I don't will it break my heart... no. The only thing that gives me issues is inconsiderate people who think that the only way to be attractive or liked is to be skinny. Just b/c someone is bigger doesn't make them unhappy.....

As for the OP. Yes I do think a parent plays a role in childhood obesity but I also feel there are other contributing factors

Yes!!

When I went to WIC when DD turned 1 they told me to put her on table foods and to give her a serving size of one table spoon. Then if SHES still hungry make her ask for more. Your supposed to give them a table spoon size portion equal to how old they are, and make them ask for more. Of course this doesnt work for kids who already know the full feeling.

First of all, we are talking about obesity. Not fat, not big boned, obesity. Obesity is not being able to: see your dick, feet, knees, etc. Not being able to remember the last time your arms were at less than a 45 degree angle. Not being able to sit on something that is not enforced with steel without breaking it. Breaking the scale when you step on it, not being able to walk through conventional doorways, maxing out an elevator, taking up two seats on an airplane,not being able put on a seat belt because they don't PUT that much seat belt in cars.

Now.....

Okay, no, everyone talking about medical problems and genetics, just take on look AT doctor phil. That is a great big man. A great big man who plays tennis everyday (which would woop the asses of almost anyone here, mind you) and controls what he eats. Doctor Phil is big boned, but he has this marvelous thing called self control.

Obesity just pisses me off. How could someone do that to their own body, let alone the body of their child? If you are walking around(or like that huge little girl who was so fat she had to shuffle around on her ass!) looking like jabba the fucking hut, I don't care if you have a thyroid disorder, fat family, blah blah blah. Turn in you "disabled" parking pass, get off the little motorized scooter things at Walmart/Target etc, and stop sucking down whatever the fuck you are eating that makes you look the way you do!

And stop complaining that stores do not have your size of clothes, and when you do find clothes, make sure it tucks everything in for god sake. I don't like seeing ANYONE's belly or asscrack, but especially not yours.

GAH! Obesity just pisses me the fuck off. Seriously. I am always torn between avoided obese people like the fucking plague, and walking up and smacking their food out of their hands.

And if you are horribly obese, and made yourself that way by choice, you should not have any kind of life saving surgery.

They don't give lifelong smokers new lungs, or bulimics new hearts, why do you get a new body?


OMG... NOTE TO SELF~DO NOT invite you to my home for a get together. Do you even see how SHALLOW you are? Your words are very hurtful to people and just so uncalled for. I guess I am just completely shocked that someone could actually say these things about a human being. Grow up.

Ok. I had to step away for awhile. I really really wanted to reply but knew I shouldn't for awhile.

Tauni, I'm not attacking you or hopping on the so called bandwagon but I really need to tell you something.

What you said was very hurtful. It came off very untactful and as if you have little to no manners, empathy, or class. I was extremely hurt and offended by what you wrote. My dad is morbidly obese so when I read what you wrote I was just about in tears.

I don't even know what to say about your other post. Saying that it is a natural reaction to not like and avoid obese people is bullshit. Ok. I do know what to say.

You know my dad is a great guy. I can say there are 3 men in this world I truly look up to and he is number 1. Part of the reason he is obese is because of me. He put himself last. His needs last. His health last. To make sure I had everything I needed. He ate the cheapest foods he could buy which are not the greatest for one's health in order to give me good food, clothes, a good school (which he paid for), put back money for me so when I turned 18 I had some extra cash to help me with a car, living expenses, etc., lawyer fees to get me out of a bad situation with my mom, hospital costs when I was admitted to the hospital (when the dr. found out we didn't have insurance he said he could treat me out of the hossy but the hossy would be better so my dad said to put me in), paid the bs back child support he didn't truly owe but the court says he did, among tons of other things. He did this all on disablitly pay. Yes, my dad is disabled. He gets less than half of 1 of John's pay checks for an entire month. My dad gained alot of weight eating stuff for years that was high in calories, fat, just plain not healthy in order to be able afford giving me better things. And with being disabled he can't just hop up and work it off. He is now dieting to help get the weight off but without being able to work out it is taking quite a bit. Oh, and my dad has been tested for cholesterol, blood pressure, sugar, everything, and it has all come back fine. He is labeled healthy besides his weight by his drs.

It actually saddens me to know what a great guy my dad is and just because of his weight right now you would avoid him like the plague. That is sad. My dad has not always been obese. Before he was disabled he was skinnier than what John is now. You are missing out on getting to know great people with your attitude. Hopefully, you soon come to realize that and change your views and attitude.

First of all, we are talking about obesity. Not fat, not big boned, obesity. Obesity is not being able to: see your dick, feet, knees, etc. Not being able to remember the last time your arms were at less than a 45 degree angle. Not being able to sit on something that is not enforced with steel without breaking it. Breaking the scale when you step on it, not being able to walk through conventional doorways, maxing out an elevator, taking up two seats on an airplane,not being able put on a seat belt because they don't PUT that much seat belt in cars.

Now.....

Okay, no, everyone talking about medical problems and genetics, just take on look AT doctor phil. That is a great big man. A great big man who plays tennis everyday (which would woop the asses of almost anyone here, mind you) and controls what he eats. Doctor Phil is big boned, but he has this marvelous thing called self control.

Obesity just pisses me off. How could someone do that to their own body, let alone the body of their child? If you are walking around(or like that huge little girl who was so fat she had to shuffle around on her ass!) looking like jabba the fucking hut, I don't care if you have a thyroid disorder, fat family, blah blah blah. Turn in you "disabled" parking pass, get off the little motorized scooter things at Walmart/Target etc, and stop sucking down whatever the fuck you are eating that makes you look the way you do!

And stop complaining that stores do not have your size of clothes, and when you do find clothes, make sure it tucks everything in for god sake. I don't like seeing ANYONE's belly or asscrack, but especially not yours.

GAH! Obesity just pisses me the fuck off. Seriously. I am always torn between avoided obese people like the fucking plague, and walking up and smacking their food out of their hands.

And if you are horribly obese, and made yourself that way by choice, you should not have any kind of life saving surgery.

They don't give lifelong smokers new lungs, or bulimics new hearts, why do you get a new body?

WOW I just think you went on alot of peoples ignore list.....:shock

If the only thing making the child obese is the parent's - then yes.
But, of course, that's not always the case.

I watched a show a few years ago about a young girl who always felt like she was starving and would steal and eat anything to feel full, even non-food items. - She was eventually diagnosed with a disorder called "momo"

I think that health-problems related to weight-gain are more and more common, these days. In part because they go uncontrolled and undiagnosed for years.

*edit*
There's no such thing as 'big boned' Everyone's bones are the same size.
Your skeletal frame can be larger than others - but that affects your height, appendage length and so on, not how *big* you are.

Okay, so I read through and while I don't agree with all the things that have been said, I know that we each have different issues. I think weight issues are the most sensitive and the people tend to take offense more easily. This is not just obesity either, this is anorexia and bulimia as well. Some morbidly obese people are prejudice against anorexic people and they both will point fingers as to which one is "worse" when they are all unhealthy and damage your body and mental health. A certain amount of sensitivity is needed to address all eating disorders and weight issues. I don't agree with what Tauni said but I can't say that it's a "new" concept. Most overweight people deal with a person like Tauni on a daily basis. She has never been overweight but she must know what her own eating disorder does to her self-image and self-esteem and how it feels like she is trapped at times by it but then again, I'm assuming and that may be completely off base. She may have more in common with morbidly obese people than she may like to admit. Sometimes it's easy to point the finger the other way so that you don't have to deal with your own issues. I respect Tauni as a person but I don't agree with her stance on this issue.

Back to the OT, children are the responsibility of their parents and by teaching them not to stop eating when they are full, you are enabling them to become obese. I don't always lead by example with my kids but I do not let them eat all day long whatever and whenever they please. They eat when they are hungry and I would never starve them but I would also never let them eat until they could not function without assistance. Yes, I believe that feeding your toddler or young child so much that they are obese (not chubby) is neglect.

I think each and every person is entitled to their own opinion on this issue. If that is Tauni's opinion on the matter, then so be it.

I was very obese as a child (200+ lbs), then developed an eating disorder as a teenager and became very thin (I got down to 107 lbs and I'm 5'2"). I've battled a weight issue my entire life, there has never been a time when I was not battling my weight. Because I have been obsese, and very thin, I feel like I can see both sides of the coin on this issue. Each has its own set of problems.

In the last 2 years I gained quite a bit of weight (went up to 168 lbs), and while that may not seem like alot for some, it was alot for me. I weighed 107, so I gained 61 pounds. I'm in the process of losing it, and it is so hard! I've lost 23 pounds, which I am so proud of, but I still have quite a bit more to lose.

What I wish for people who are overweight/obsese is just for them to want better for themselves, to want better health, to eat better, etc. But, I do not begrudge them anything. I want those things for people because those are the things I want for myself.

First of all, we are talking about obesity. Not fat, not big boned, obesity. Obesity is not being able to: see your dick, feet, knees, etc. Not being able to remember the last time your arms were at less than a 45 degree angle. Not being able to sit on something that is not enforced with steel without breaking it. Breaking the scale when you step on it, not being able to walk through conventional doorways, maxing out an elevator, taking up two seats on an airplane,not being able put on a seat belt because they don't PUT that much seat belt in cars.

Now.....

Okay, no, everyone talking about medical problems and genetics, just take on look AT doctor phil. That is a great big man. A great big man who plays tennis everyday (which would woop the asses of almost anyone here, mind you) and controls what he eats. Doctor Phil is big boned, but he has this marvelous thing called self control.

Obesity just pisses me off. How could someone do that to their own body, let alone the body of their child? If you are walking around(or like that huge little girl who was so fat she had to shuffle around on her ass!) looking like jabba the fucking hut, I don't care if you have a thyroid disorder, fat family, blah blah blah. Turn in you "disabled" parking pass, get off the little motorized scooter things at Walmart/Target etc, and stop sucking down whatever the fuck you are eating that makes you look the way you do!

And stop complaining that stores do not have your size of clothes, and when you do find clothes, make sure it tucks everything in for god sake. I don't like seeing ANYONE's belly or asscrack, but especially not yours.

GAH! Obesity just pisses me the fuck off. Seriously. I am always torn between avoided obese people like the fucking plague, and walking up and smacking their food out of their hands.

And if you are horribly obese, and made yourself that way by choice, you should not have any kind of life saving surgery.

They don't give lifelong smokers new lungs, or bulimics new hearts, why do you get a new body?

What makes obesity okay? It's an honest question. It messes with the body and mind so much, that all it does is destroy destroy destroy. It's just as bad if not worse than being too thin. (I know, I have depression induced anorexia, but hey, I am doing my damndest to fix myself. I can guarantee that most obese people don't do anything to improve their situation.) My sister used to be big. not obese, but big, and I heard all the excuses "I will look gross if I run at this weight", "I can't breath if I run", "I don't want to be ridiculed if I run". She bought loads of workout equipment that she never, ever used. Finally,she got a trainer, started eating right, and now she can actually GO running. Not everyone can afford a trainer, I know, but you can at least make a decision about what you will or will not eat, elevator vs stairs, walking across the parking lot instead of using a disabled placard to walk the shortest distance, etc.

My point being, this is a choice. People who CHOOSE to do these things to themselves don't really go very high on my sympathy list.

Revealed: why slim people dislike the overweight
By Roger Dobson andIan Griggs
Published: 29 July 2007

From the taunting of the chubby child in the playground to cruel jibes at fat people in work and social settings, few could doubt there is widespread prejudice against the overweight. However, according to research reported in Evolution and Human Behavior some people suffer abuse because being too fat is mistaken by the brain for a sign of disease.

Researchers say the immune system can be triggered into action at the sight of obesity because it doesn't like the look of what it sees, and associates it with infection.

Just as it orchestrates attacks on viruses and bacteria and triggers nausea at the hint of bad food, so it sends out signals of disgust in some people at the sight of an obese body that is designed to encourage avoidance and survival.

The finding comes just days after research in The New England Journal of Medicine suggested that obesity is contagious, in a social rather than bacteriological sense.

"Antipathy toward obese people is a powerful and pervasive prejudice in many contemporary populations. Our results reveal, for the first time, that this prejudice may be rooted in multiple, independent mechanisms. They provide the first evidence that obesity serves as a cue for pathogen infection,'' say the University of British Columbia researchers.

They say a behavioural immune system appears to have evolved in humans that is designed to detect body signs that are related to disease, like rashes and lesions. The sight of them triggers disgust as well as negative attitudes and avoidance. The system errs in favour of over-reacting because failure to react to a real danger could be fatal.

Researchers carried out a number of experiments, including word associations and tests where they compared the reactions and views of men and women to obesity.

The results show that people who agreed with comments such as "it really bothers me when people sneeze without covering their mouths" were more likely to agree with statement such as "if I were an employer looking to hire, I might avoid hiring a fat person". The greater the fear of disease, the stronger the negative feeling about obesity.


That is why I avoid fat people. It's a natural response.

Having an opinion is one thing but my God. You are just rude and hateful. You should be ashamed of yourself.

OMG... NOTE TO SELF~DO NOT invite you to my home for a get together. Do you even see how SHALLOW you are? Your words are very hurtful to people and just so uncalled for. I guess I am just completely shocked that someone could actually say these things about a human being. Grow up.

:clap I second that!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup

Okay I'm probably going to sound harsh and I haven't read anyone else's comments yet. I figured I should put down what I think while it's fresh and untainted.

I think having a 80 lb toddler is child abuse. There is no genetic reason a 3 year should weigh almost as much as I do.
When I hear comments from the parents it seems like a lot of them are saying that they lack the parenting skills to be able to see the greater good and the long run outcome of their current actions. They lack the ability to tell their child no. I know that part of being a parent is being able to tell my child no. I have to be able to set boundries and teach her to respect them. To teach her what self control is. I also have to be able to see what is in her best interests. I think a lot of these parents lack this ability.
I don't feel that we should pull the kids from the home right off the bat. I don't feel the parents should be placed into jail. What I think we need to be doing is teaching the parents parenting skills. Teach them nuitritional skills. Make them go to classes. Have drop in visits from child protective services to follow up. If the parents are unable to meet the requirements of attending classes and changing their habits then I feel that more extreem measures should be approached, such as removing the child from the home. However, I still feel that the parents influence can be a positive one so they should still get to visit their child just not be the primary care giver. Let the parent have to prove that they can create a better future for their child.
I think an 80 lbs toddler has a shorter lifetime of health issues and emotional issues ahead if that kind of lifestyle continues.
I truely believe as parents it is our job to try and provide the best opertunities we can for our children. Sometimes that means a little tough love along the way.

This whole thread makes me a little sad. I am pretty much staying out of it. I don't want to be involved. I just wanted to say that I am technically obese and it is absolutely because I choose to be. When I was doing drugs I was making horrible choices and everyone thought I looked great. I was thin and curvy and fucking HOT, if I do say so myself. I was also snorting meth every day. The moment I quit destroying my body with meth I started gaining weight. I gained 100 lbs in only 6 months and have fluctuated up and down since then, never able to get even CLOSE to what I weighed before, and I eat healthy and work out. But, I am finally clean, finally not putting poison in my body, and NOW people think I am a lazy slob who doesn't take care about herself? Funny how that works...

I would rather be fat, thank you. I am PROUD of my choice. :D

Woe is you. You have to suffer by seeing obese people, because your immune system tells you to react to it as if they are infectious? BS. This is just an easy and convinient excuse for you amd others to use. A good and oh so easy way to avoid answering all those that are offended and upset by your post. Poor you has no choice BUT to avoid 'fat people' and to be blatantly rude and hurtful. You say yourself that you have 'depression induced anorexia', how would you feel if someone told YOU to just get over yourself and eat because it is your choice to be anorexic?

Actually, this is what my doc tells me every time I see him. And my sister. And my mother, and my husband. And I eat. And eat. And eat. It is my choice to be anorexic, because it is my choice to allow my depression to get the best of me. I am, however, doing my best to maintain a stable weight. I am working on my issues.

Now, to see an morbidly obese person eat a couple of hamburgers from McDonalds, it just astounds me. I just don't get it. It makes absolutely zero sense to me.

My post was in no way directed at the carb counting, half a marathon running, recently pregnant overweight people. Those people are taking care of their bodies that somehow got WAY out of hand. I applaud you.

My post was directed at the person who can barely waddle down the street because the size of their thighs does not allow their hips and legs to rest at a normal angle, yet, for some reason, a big old grease ball burger is their food of choice. Even worse is when you are standing next to these people in the store while they bitch at the poor cashier that the store doesn't care their size.

Sorry, had to correct my previous post.

My whole issue is with the severely morbidly obese. Not with "fat" people, or people with "a few extra pounds", because everyone's bodies are built differently, and some people are supposed to be "huskier" than others. But NO ONES body, is meant to look like the body of a morbidly obese persons, EVER. The only other time the human body ever, ever reaches that size is in a severe state of bloat. And I mean of the postmortem kind, not the aunt flow kind.

Everyone taking offense because you feel the jab was directed at you, it wasn't. I have seen most of your pictures, and you are not morbidly obese. I wouldn't even go so far as to call many of you fat, because I don't feel that you are. You are all shaped like women still, you have not molded into this round-ish, sexless being.

So, if you said I was calling you fat, maybe it is time to examine your own body issues, because calling yourself fat when you are not, is a dangerous, slippery slope.

So, to summarize.

None of you ladies are obese, from what I have seen.

None of this was directed at you in anyway, it was directed by strangers who on many occasions I have seen not being able to properly function within our established society whether it be purchasing clothes, trying to find a seat in the movie theater, getting in and out of a car, moving about in stores, or just plain getting through a doorway. These are people who I have seen on numerous occasions expect society to conform to them. And that is never how it works. You conform to a society, not the other way around. It disrupts a natural order and only reminds me how far away from the continued evolution of our species we have drifted.

So, again, I am not calling any of you obese or saying any of you are disgusting.

If you felt I did, I sincerely apologize. My posts were my "GAH, what the fuck is wrong with you, random stranger, stop killing yourself" Get to know me long enough, and you will learn that I view smoking in a very similar light.

And no, I would never ACTUALLY walk up and smack food out of someone's hand. It's one of the small fantasies that play out in my head. Everyone has them. Please, me vs 400 lbs. I know who would win that one.

i would think so...

So, to summarize.

None of you ladies are obese, from what I have seen.

None of this was directed at you in anyway, it was directed by strangers who on many occasions I have seen not being able to properly function within our established society whether it be purchasing clothes, trying to find a seat in the movie theater, getting in and out of a car, moving about in stores, or just plain getting through a doorway. These are people who I have seen on numerous occasions expect society to conform to them. And that is never how it works. You conform to a society, not the other way around. It disrupts a natural order and only reminds me how far away from the continued evolution of our species we have drifted.

So, again, I am not calling any of you obese or saying any of you are disgusting.

If you felt I did, I sincerely apologize. My posts were my "GAH, what the fuck is wrong with you, random stranger, stop killing yourself" Get to know me long enough, and you will learn that I view smoking in a very similar light.

And no, I would never ACTUALLY walk up and smack food out of someone's hand. It's one of the small fantasies that play out in my head. Everyone has them. Please, me vs 400 lbs. I know who would win that one.

I think that was a well-thought-out and actually honest apology/explanation.
Personally, I've pissed off a few people on here because I tend to say exactly what I think, and I've come to realize a little explanation is required in order to not offend. SO I understand where you're coming from. Here's some :goodvibes :goodvibes that everyone can see intentions and not just words.

ETA- the fact that you're dealing with your own disorder makes it that much more important IMO for us to understand you in this case. This is a SUPPORT site. :hugs No one has to agree but we shouldn't shut out someone completely. Ignore is good until the tempers cool down, then it's time to put on the BGP. :lol

I think that was a well-thought-out and actually honest apology/explanation.
Personally, I've pissed off a few people on here because I tend to say exactly what I think, and I've come to realize a little explanation is required in order to not offend. SO I understand where you're coming from. Here's some :goodvibes :goodvibes that everyone can see intentions and not just words.

Thank you Loretta love! :grin:

And ladies, it really is a heart felt apology. I don't want anyone looking in the mirror tomorrow and thinking I called them a great big cow, because no one here is a great big cow, and judging from all the tickers, you ladies work your asses off(no pun intended) to achieve a healthy weight and/or desirable form. You are NOT what pisses me off in this world, the parents on that SHOW is what pisses me off in this world, because not only do they not feel the need to maintain a healthy weight to set an example for their children, they set and reinforce the wrong one. Just, ugh, the more I think about it the more my head spins and everything else goes numb. ick.

here here!!!! go Tauni

here here!!!! go Tauni

:grin: i lubs ya!

gimme :hugs

:hugs just for youuuu!

So it's all okay since no one on HERE is obese:sigh

I'm sure if we do a poll we will see that SOMEONE here has an extremely obese person in their family, extended family. It doesn't always have to be directly related to someone on a individual basis for it to truly hurt them. Those "strangers" that you see in public are someones mother, father, brother, sister on and on. But it's all okay to talk about them like that since they are just strangers:suspect

For me It would go along the same lines of trashing gay people and then saying well..all is good since no one HERE is gay...right? I would be absolutely sickened by someone for talking so lowly of gay people and it's no different when it comes to obesity. Both sicken me:dunno

my father in law is morbidly obese... i take no offense because i believe it is his choice to be that way...

I think that was a well-thought-out and actually honest apology/explanation.
Personally, I've pissed off a few people on here because I tend to say exactly what I think, and I've come to realize a little explanation is required in order to not offend. SO I understand where you're coming from. Here's some :goodvibes :goodvibes that everyone can see intentions and not just words.

ETA- the fact that you're dealing with your own disorder makes it that much more important IMO for us to understand you in this case. This is a SUPPORT site. :hugs No one has to agree but we shouldn't shut out someone completely. Ignore is good until the tempers cool down, then it's time to put on the BGP. :lol

Yeah, I quoted myself.

my father in law is morbidly obese... i take no offense because i believe it is his choice to be that way...

It was his choice, completely. I feel that if you are making absolutely no attempt to better yourself, and yes, if you are morbidly obese, you NEED to better yourself if you want to keep living and functioning properly. SOMEONE's got to give you a wake up call.

Notice, on those shows like the biggest loser, it's often how people REACT to an extremely obese person that pushes them to finally do something about it.

Yeah, I quoted myself.

:five

You are Superbad!

my father in law is morbidly obese... i take no offense because i believe it is his choice to be that way...

Well, not everyone will take offense and that's perfectly fine too :)

but it seems several people that posted here, did take offense to her initial comments:hehe

i think the point was that she meant no harm... that is what should matter eh?

Well, not everyone will take offense and that's perfectly fine too :)

but it seems several people that posted here, did take offense to her initial comments:hehe

I agree :yes

I appreciate her HONEST apology, though. It would be really easy for someone to come in here and say "Oh, I totally see the error of my ways, I've since decided blah blah" and I would not believe that BS one bit.

For her to stand by her initial stance while clarifying was the bigger thing to do, IMO. I don't totally agree with her but I support that.

I agree :yes

I appreciate her HONEST apology, though. It would be really easy for someone to come in here and say "Oh, I totally see the error of my ways, I've since decided blah blah" and