I think this is so sad:

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=5269946&ch=4226713&src=news

WOW...

Well, I think that his outlook is definately very bright, and he doesn't seem to harbor any animosity at all. Good for him - he's still got a bright future ahead of him, even if he can't be in the military.

that is sad. I hate that rule. :(

the rule is there for a reason whether we hate it or not. THough I do agree that it is a terrible thing to be discharged for

Wow. He could speak four lauganges! The military obviously lost a great asset because of their rules. How the military can still do this when other employeers cannot is beyond me.

It's the military's loss :dunno They probably lose a lot of great people because of it.

Wow. He could speak four lauganges! The military obviously lost a great asset because of their rules. How the military can still do this when other employeers cannot is beyond me.


The military does a LOT of things civilian employers can't do. A civilian employer also can't make you work 100+ hours a week without paying overtime. It is sad, but that's the way it is for now.

It's the military's loss :dunno They probably lose a lot of great people because of it.

I agree.

It's a stupid rule there for a stupid reason. Sad that guys like him are discharged so that homophobes can stay in.

Did y'all pay any attention to the part where he said "It's not the military deciding this, it's congress telling the military what to do."

I thought that was some very interesting insight, and a different perspective than I'm used to seeing.

Did y'all pay any attention to the part where he said "It's not the military deciding this, it's congress telling the military what to do."

I thought that was some very interesting insight, and a different perspective than I'm used to seeing.

I was about to say that :yes

The military does a LOT of things civilian employers can't do. A civilian employer also can't make you work 100+ hours a week without paying overtime. It is sad, but that's the way it is for now.

actually they can, as long as you are on salary you are exempt, civilian included. I know because I have worked salary before and they can work you into the ground because of it.

actually they can, as long as you are on salary you are exempt, civilian included. I know because I have worked salary before and they can work you into the ground because of it.

yep!! happens more than you'd think

The military does a LOT of things civilian employers can't do. A civilian employer also can't make you work 100+ hours a week without paying overtime. It is sad, but that's the way it is for now.

I agree.

It's a stupid rule there for a stupid reason. Sad that guys like him are discharged so that homophobes can stay in.

yep, yep and double yep.

It just really blows my mind because even if you don't agree with the lifestyle, I can't understand why in the world someone's sexuality should effect their career anymore than someone who chooses to spank or not spank. I mean, really, it's a choice within our lives that does not effect ANYONE else. Ridiculous, for sure.

And Wicked, I hadn't thought about it the way you put it but I completely agree with you. Don't ask, don't tell is in place so that the homophobes can stay in and have their cushy little bubble and not have to deal with anything that might make them the least bit uncomfy. People who are HETEROSEXUAL have the RIGHT to be open, but HOMOSEXUALS don't have the right? I can't understand where anyone has any place to tell someone that they don't have a right to be open about who they love. Sad sad sad.

And like Caimbrie said, unfortunately, the military just has their own set of rules about a LOT of things. How many civi jobs do you know of that would pay you a MEASLY $250-$350 extra per month when your spouse is gone for 6-18 months? That's more overtime than any civi would ever see to begin with :lol Whats crazy though is that the guy said it wasn't the actual military that implemented this, it was congress that passed this and FORCED the military to use this policy. I really hope we see a change soon.

As long as the military allows me to walk arm and arm with my husband, I think a homosexual should have the same right.

actually they can, as long as you are on salary you are exempt, civilian included. I know because I have worked salary before and they can work you into the ground because of it.

I worked salary too - it SUUUUUUUUCKED - I just had to put in as many hours as necessary to bring in the revenue the team needed. On salary, there's no such thing as OT pay :no

actually they can, as long as you are on salary you are exempt, civilian included. I know because I have worked salary before and they can work you into the ground because of it.

I think the point she was trying to make is that most decent companies WON'T do that even though they technically could, because they will quickly lose very good people. In the military, you have no choice. You work when they tell you to work, bottom line, and there is no changing companies if you get tired of it :lol

I think the point she was trying to make is that most decent companies WON'T do that even though they technically could, because they will quickly lose very good people. In the military, you have no choice. You work when they tell you to work, bottom line, and there is no changing companies if you get tired of it :lol

very true. i wish that was the case some days.

I think the point she was trying to make is that most decent companies WON'T do that even though they technically could, because they will quickly lose very good people. In the military, you have no choice. You work when they tell you to work, bottom line, and there is no changing companies if you get tired of it :lol


Yes, that was my point :)

i've said it before. rules are rules. play by them. the guy said he went back into the closet to join the military but was outed by someone, so obviously he wasn't discreet enough.

this guy's story is a prime example of why i think it's a bad decision for the s/o of a gay military member to be divulging that info here, because as i said, it only takes ONE person & you're done.

I believe his perspective is refreshing however I seriously believe that our country needs to re-evaluate this rule simply because we need all the good soldiers we can have.

i've said it before. rules are rules. play by them.

Not all rules are fair. We live in a country where if you don't want to live by the rules you can petition to change them. That's the beauty of a Democracy. That's why women can vote and people can't have slaves.

Before gay people weren't allowed in the military at all. Now they are but they have to be quiet about it. So, I have faith that in time we will grow up as a country and let everyone serve honestly instead of making people lie about themselves to serve their country.

Which is why I speak out about how unfair I think it is, just like other people do. I would never just suck it up and "play by the rules" if I thought they were bogus. I would say loud and clear why I thought they were bogus and I hope others would do the same thing.

Not all rules are fair. We live in a country where if you don't want to live by the rules you can petition to change them. That's the beauty of a Democracy. That's why women can vote and people can't have slaves.

Before gay people weren't allowed in the military at all. Now they are but they have to be quiet about it. So, I have faith that in time we will grow up as a country and let everyone serve honestly instead of making people lie about themselves to serve their country.

Which is why I speak out about how unfair I think it is, just like other people do. I would never just suck it up and "play by the rules" if I thought they were bogus. I would say loud and clear why I thought they were bogus and I hoe others would do the same thing.


Very well said Trina :yes

Our country has grown and become more liberal in most thoughts because of rule breakers. :yes
That is why women can have birth control, why women can vote, why gays can join the military.......the list goes on....
Palin and simple, it's ok to buck the rules every now and then to prove that they don't always work for society

i've said it before. rules are rules. play by them. the guy said he went back into the closet to join the military but was outed by someone, so obviously he wasn't discreet enough.

this guy's story is a prime example of why i think it's a bad decision for the s/o of a gay military member to be divulging that info here, because as i said, it only takes ONE person & you're done.

Yeah and unjust rules that promote inequality need to be changed. trina & Brandi well said I agree 100%.

As for the second part WHY are you going there with this thread. If you don't like the situation then put him on iggy. It doesn't need to be brought up I think the miles long thread has said it all already.

Not all rules are fair. We live in a country where if you don't want to live by the rules you can petition to change them. That's the beauty of a Democracy. That's why women can vote and people can't have slaves.

Before gay people weren't allowed in the military at all. Now they are but they have to be quiet about it. So, I have faith that in time we will grow up as a country and let everyone serve honestly instead of making people lie about themselves to serve their country.

Which is why I speak out about how unfair I think it is, just like other people do. I would never just suck it up and "play by the rules" if I thought they were bogus. I would say loud and clear why I thought they were bogus and I hope others would do the same thing.

Yeah and unjust rules that promote inequality need to be changed. trina & Brandi well said I agree 100%.

As for the second part WHY are you going there with this thread. If you don't like the situation then put him on iggy. It doesn't need to be brought up I think the miles long thread has said it all already.


:hail :yes

I agree.

It's a stupid rule there for a stupid reason. Sad that guys like him are discharged so that homophobes can stay in.

Couldn't have said it better. It's VERY sad. :(

I wantedto say one more thing DADT was created because Clinton wanted to lift the ban on GLBT in the armed Forces the Armed Forces said no. DADT was the compromise they reached. So passing the buck off as it being congresses fault he was booted is not quite right either.

That sucks.

i've said it before. rules are rules. play by them. the guy said he went back into the closet to join the military but was outed by someone, so obviously he wasn't discreet enough.

this guy's story is a prime example of why i think it's a bad decision for the s/o of a gay military member to be divulging that info here, because as i said, it only takes ONE person & you're done.

Why are we going back to him again?

I believe his perspective is refreshing however I seriously believe that our country needs to re-evaluate this rule simply because we need all the good soldiers we can have.
:agree wholeheartedly.

i've said it before. rules are rules. play by them. the guy said he went back into the closet to join the military but was outed by someone, so obviously he wasn't discreet enough.

this guy's story is a prime example of why i think it's a bad decision for the s/o of a gay military member to be divulging that info here, because as i said, it only takes ONE person & you're done.


I' wondering exactly what "discreet enough" means. Because I think unless a service member comes right out and says "I'm gay" they shouldn't be allowed to be kicked out under the current policy.

Also, I wish more of the people who ASK under the currently policy of "don't ask".....would get in trouble also. You have to wonder how many members actually get kicked out for asking someone their sexual orientation. I'm guessing VERY few, IF any:no

It's the military's loss :dunno They probably lose a lot of great people because of it.

:yes

I agree.

It's a stupid rule there for a stupid reason. Sad that guys like him are discharged so that homophobes can stay in.

:yes

Did y'all pay any attention to the part where he said "It's not the military deciding this, it's congress telling the military what to do."

I thought that was some very interesting insight, and a different perspective than I'm used to seeing.

:thinking yeah, that was an interesting perspective...

yep, yep and double yep.

It just really blows my mind because even if you don't agree with the lifestyle, I can't understand why in the world someone's sexuality should effect their career anymore than someone who chooses to spank or not spank. I mean, really, it's a choice within our lives that does not effect ANYONE else. Ridiculous, for sure.

And Wicked, I hadn't thought about it the way you put it but I completely agree with you. Don't ask, don't tell is in place so that the homophobes can stay in and have their cushy little bubble and not have to deal with anything that might make them the least bit uncomfy. People who are HETEROSEXUAL have the RIGHT to be open, but HOMOSEXUALS don't have the right? I can't understand where anyone has any place to tell someone that they don't have a right to be open about who they love. Sad sad sad.

And like Caimbrie said, unfortunately, the military just has their own set of rules about a LOT of things. How many civi jobs do you know of that would pay you a MEASLY $250-$350 extra per month when your spouse is gone for 6-18 months? That's more overtime than any civi would ever see to begin with :lol Whats crazy though is that the guy said it wasn't the actual military that implemented this, it was congress that passed this and FORCED the military to use this policy. I really hope we see a change soon.

As long as the military allows me to walk arm and arm with my husband, I think a homosexual should have the same right.

:yes

Not all rules are fair. We live in a country where if you don't want to live by the rules you can petition to change them. That's the beauty of a Democracy. That's why women can vote and people can't have slaves.

Before gay people weren't allowed in the military at all. Now they are but they have to be quiet about it. So, I have faith that in time we will grow up as a country and let everyone serve honestly instead of making people lie about themselves to serve their country.

Which is why I speak out about how unfair I think it is, just like other people do. I would never just suck it up and "play by the rules" if I thought they were bogus. I would say loud and clear why I thought they were bogus and I hope others would do the same thing.

:agree I feel it's my duty as an American citizen to fight for equality for EVERYBODY... not just those deemed worthy by the people running the country (who don't understand the concept of "separation of church and state".) :yes

Yeah and unjust rules that promote inequality need to be changed. trina & Brandi well said I agree 100%.

As for the second part WHY are you going there with this thread. If you don't like the situation then put him on iggy. It doesn't need to be brought up I think the miles long thread has said it all already.

No kidding :neutral

Wow what a shame. I guess i can understand the type of situation where there are rooming issues, like i wouldn't want DB to be rooming with a man or woman that was attracted to him...that's where the line gets shady for me because it crosses over into personal time, and showers, etc... but this guy was high up! i'm sure he wasn't in the same type of room/boarding situation... who gives a hoot what he does in his spare time?!? THe whole thing is a mess, DADT is a ridiculous compromise... there needs to be a situation where homosexual people can openly join the military and be given the proper accomodations and respect. just my 2 cents

Blah, I'm just so angry with whoever outed him!!!:reallymad

Wow what a shame. I guess i can understand the type of situation where there are rooming issues, like i wouldn't want DB to be rooming with a man or woman that was attracted to him...that's where the line gets shady for me because it crosses over into personal time, and showers, etc... but this guy was high up! i'm sure he wasn't in the same type of room/boarding situation... who gives a hoot what he does in his spare time?!? THe whole thing is a mess, DADT is a ridiculous compromise... there needs to be a situation where homosexual people can openly join the military and be given the proper accomodations and respect. just my 2 cents

I think it's a bit absurd to assume that just because a person is gay, that they'll be "attracted" to every person they encounter. Gay men DO have standards and preferences. I wouldn't imagine that their "frequency of attraction" is any higher than your typical straight woman's rate of attraction.

I think that's what bothers me most about men who are homophobic. They say stupid shit like "Dude... I don't want him to hit on me..." and "Eww I don't want him to look at me all weird"... blah blah.... half the time I want to slap them upside the head and tell them to quit flattering themselves. I don't know ANY decent person who'll settle for a cocky-yet-insecure, homophobic shithead. :shrug

People just need to grow up and quit being so ignorant about homosexuality. People think it's all about sex.... but, newsflash, it's NOT. :no :vent

(Sorry Billysgirl, this isn't directed at you, it's just in general :hugs)

I think it's a bit absurd to assume that just because a person is gay, that they'll be "attracted" to every person they encounter. Gay men DO have standards and preferences. I wouldn't imagine that their "frequency of attraction" is any higher than your typical straight woman's rate of attraction.

I think that's what bothers me most about men who are homophobic. They say stupid shit like "Dude... I don't want him to hit on me..." and "Eww I don't want him to look at me all weird"... blah blah.... half the time I want to slap them upside the head and tell them to quit flattering themselves. I don't know ANY decent person who'll settle for a cocky-yet-insecure, homophobic shithead. :shrug

People just need to grow up and quit being so ignorant about homosexuality. People think it's all about sex.... but, newsflash, it's NOT. :no :vent

(Sorry Billysgirl, this isn't directed at you, it's just in general :hugs)

I really agree with you here and what upsets me the most is that people throw a hissy about the "what ifs" but really how is it that much different than the girls who have to put up with the sleaze bag guys on the ship who hound them about giving it up b/c they're deprived, or vice versa. Ya know? I say GROW UP and deal with the fact that you can't always have that comfy little bubble.

I think it's a bit absurd to assume that just because a person is gay, that they'll be "attracted" to every person they encounter. Gay men DO have standards and preferences. I wouldn't imagine that their "frequency of attraction" is any higher than your typical straight woman's rate of attraction.

I think that's what bothers me most about men who are homophobic. They say stupid shit like "Dude... I don't want him to hit on me..." and "Eww I don't want him to look at me all weird"... blah blah.... half the time I want to slap them upside the head and tell them to quit flattering themselves. I don't know ANY decent person who'll settle for a cocky-yet-insecure, homophobic shithead. :shrug

People just need to grow up and quit being so ignorant about homosexuality. People think it's all about sex.... but, newsflash, it's NOT. :no :vent

(Sorry Billysgirl, this isn't directed at you, it's just in general :hugs)

I really agree with you here and what upsets me the most is that people throw a hissy about the "what ifs" but really how is it that much different than the girls who have to put up with the sleaze bag guys on the ship who hound them about giving it up b/c they're deprived, or vice versa. Ya know? I say GROW UP and deal with the fact that you can't always have that comfy little bubble.

I (L) you both so much right now. :giggle

I really agree with you here and what upsets me the most is that people throw a hissy about the "what ifs" but really how is it that much different than the girls who have to put up with the sleaze bag guys on the ship who hound them about giving it up b/c they're deprived, or vice versa. Ya know? I say GROW UP and deal with the fact that you can't always have that comfy little bubble.

EXACTLY. Plus.... why is it assumed that a person's sexuality is going to make them in any way unprofessional?

It's called self-control. Or, you know, "not wanting to be sued for sexual harrassment."

Hell, how many of us have been attracted to coworkers and "knew better" than to get involved?

I say get rid of DODT and crack down on sexual harrassment. I guarantee you the majority of cases will be male/female or female/male.... not male/male or female/female. How many times have women service members been victimized and the military did squat? (I can think of a few.... women I know and women on this site....)

EXACTLY. Plus.... why is it assumed that a person's sexuality is going to make them in any way unprofessional?

It's called self-control. Or, you know, "not wanting to be sued for sexual harrassment."

Hell, how many of us have been attracted to coworkers and "knew better" than to get involved?

I say get rid of DODT and crack down on sexual harrassment. I guarantee you the majority of cases will be male/female or female/male.... not male/male or female/female. How many times have women service members been victimized and the military did squat? (I can think of a few.... women I know and women on this site....)

Absolutely. :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

I (L) you both so much right now. :giggle

OMG.... you're not allowed to say you love us. :quoteDon't ask, don't tell. :quote


:P

OMG.... you're not allowed to say you love us. :quoteDon't ask, don't tell. :quote


:P

:rofl Are you gonna sue me?

:rofl Are you gonna sue me?

No, I'm just gonna kick you out of my club. Sorry, I don't make the rules :shrug

I think it's a bit absurd to assume that just because a person is gay, that they'll be "attracted" to every person they encounter. Gay men DO have standards and preferences. I wouldn't imagine that their "frequency of attraction" is any higher than your typical straight woman's rate of attraction.

I think that's what bothers me most about men who are homophobic. They say stupid shit like "Dude... I don't want him to hit on me..." and "Eww I don't want him to look at me all weird"... blah blah.... half the time I want to slap them upside the head and tell them to quit flattering themselves. I don't know ANY decent person who'll settle for a cocky-yet-insecure, homophobic shithead. :shrug

People just need to grow up and quit being so ignorant about homosexuality. People think it's all about sex.... but, newsflash, it's NOT. :no :vent

(Sorry Billysgirl, this isn't directed at you, it's just in general :hugs)

I agree with this too, i wouldn't want DB rooming with a woman even if she wasn't attracted to him. I just wouldn't want him rooming with anyone that could potentially be attracted. He comes out of the shower naked and that will change anyone's mind! :teehee

:hugs right back atcha :)

I agree with this too, i wouldn't want DB rooming with a woman even if she wasn't attracted to him. I just wouldn't want him rooming with anyone that could potentially be attracted. He comes out of the shower naked and that will change anyone's mind! :teehee

:hugs right back atcha :)

:rofl

Lol... I wouldn't care if a guy thought DB is hot. He's been hit on before & didn't care. :shrug The man spends 1/2 his year underwater with 160 other men. :thinking If he wanted to find a boyfriend, I'm sure he could've done it a long time ago :giggle I know he's 1000% straight, so I don't feel threatened.

He comes out of the shower naked and that will change anyone's mind! :teehee

:rofl OMG that's cute. Hahaha. We need to keep that boy away from EVERYONE then!

No, I'm just gonna kick you out of my club. Sorry, I don't make the rules :shrug

Haha, you seem to forget, *I* make the rules. :evil

:rofl OMG that's cute. Hahaha. We need to keep that boy away from EVERYONE then!



Haha, you seem to forget, *I* make the rules. :evil

You wish :P

I agree with this too, i wouldn't want DB rooming with a woman even if she wasn't attracted to him. I just wouldn't want him rooming with anyone that could potentially be attracted. He comes out of the shower naked and that will change anyone's mind! :teehee

:hugs right back atcha :)

well.. even if they ARE attracted... MOST gay people i know would NEVER say ANYTHING about that attraction if they know the other person is STRAIGHT. there is absolutely NO point.
and most gay people i know would be POLITE if they have to room with another person (same or different sex) simply because you should. you dont STARE... you avert your eyes if they are changing... whatever.
its not like they are going to start breathing heavy while staring at the person... or stroke them in their sleep...

i could care less if DF were rooming with gay men.
i happen to know there have been WOMEN trying to hit on him... and they arent even in the same room!
I trust my man. it doesnt matter WHO is attracted to him... it wont change ANYTHING for him, me, or us.

(just like them... this isnt directed at you billysgirl.. i just needed to say my piece)

well.. even if they ARE attracted... MOST gay people i know would NEVER say ANYTHING about that attraction if they know the other person is STRAIGHT. there is absolutely NO point.
and most gay people i know would be POLITE if they have to room with another person (same or different sex) simply because you should. you dont STARE... you avert your eyes if they are changing... whatever.
its not like they are going to start breathing heavy while staring at the person... or stroke them in their sleep...

i could care less if DF were rooming with gay men.
i happen to know there have been WOMEN trying to hit on him... and they arent even in the same room!
I trust my man. it doesnt matter WHO is attracted to him... it wont change ANYTHING for him, me, or us.

(just like them... this isnt directed at you billysgirl.. i just needed to say my piece)

I totally agree, very well said :)

There are currently so many other countries that allow their service members to serve openly. I has worked successfully for many other countries and unit cohesiveness has not suffered. Why are we lagging so far behind:no

I totally agree, very well said :)

thanks :)

Wow that is wrong I can't believe they would do that. Poor Guy

There are currently so many other countries that allow their service members to serve openly. I has worked successfully for many other countries and unit cohesiveness has not suffered. Why are we lagging so far behind:no

:puzz I have no idea.

But I really don't know why they even bothered putting that whole :quote separation of church & state :quote thing in the Constitution. It's proved to be just a waste of space, since nobody observes it

:whistle

so would y'all mind if your SO was rooming with a woman??

i think there are gay men that are attracted to straight men and would pursue them, just like there are straight women that are attracted to gay men and would pursue them... by no means do i think it's common, but i think it's out there. so potentially a straight guy rooming with a gay guy should be allowed no more than a straight guy rooming with a straight female. hmmm but you wouldn't make a straight men's room, and a gay men's room... i'm starting to change my mind... :puzz

so would y'all mind if your SO was rooming with a woman??

i think there are gay men that are attracted to straight men and would pursue them, just like there are straight women that are attracted to gay men and would pursue them... by no means do i think it's common, but i think it's out there. so potentially a straight guy rooming with a gay guy should be allowed no more than a straight guy rooming with a straight female. hmmm but you wouldn't make a straight men's room, and a gay men's room... i'm starting to change my mind... :puzz

:thinking

I'm not sure about this one. Hypothetically, (and strictly from a gf's perspective) I suppose there'd be more potential for my boyfriend to cheat with a woman, since he's straight. So, no, I wouldn't want him rooming with someone of the opposite sex.

I'd imagine I'd feel the same way if I were a lesbian too.... I wouldn't be thrilled about my partner rooming with another woman either :shrug

Ya win some, ya lose some. :dunno

I give up, it's Saturday night and my liquor cabinet is calling my name...

:thinking

I'm not sure about this one. Hypothetically, (and strictly from a gf's perspective) I suppose there'd be more potential for my boyfriend to cheat with a woman, since he's straight. So, no, I wouldn't want him rooming with someone of the opposite sex.

I'd imagine I'd feel the same way if I were a lesbian too.... I wouldn't be thrilled about my partner rooming with another woman either :shrug

Ya win some, ya lose some. :dunno

I give up, it's Saturday night and my liquor cabinet is calling my name...

for me, i dont want DF to room with women because of the implications that would follow. i mean... everyone would automatically assume they were 'doing it' purely because they are a man and a woman in the same room
rarely do people assume someone is gay... most people (even a couple gay people) assuming everyone is STRAIGHT until proven otherwise.

with that being said, i wouldnt want there to be a woman there for him to look at. i dont think he would DO anything... but dammit i want to be the ONLY woman in his fantasies!

no matter WHAT you do.. there will always be sex and sexual harassment. i think rather than worrying about who sleeps where, we should worry about educating everyone on acceptable behavior.
and how when you are in the military, these are people you need to WORK with, not PLAY with. people need to learn self restraint when it comes to sex. regardless of gender or sexuality.

so would y'all mind if your SO was rooming with a woman??

i think there are gay men that are attracted to straight men and would pursue them, just like there are straight women that are attracted to gay men and would pursue them... by no means do i think it's common, but i think it's out there. so potentially a straight guy rooming with a gay guy should be allowed no more than a straight guy rooming with a straight female. hmmm but you wouldn't make a straight men's room, and a gay men's room... i'm starting to change my mind... :puzz

Personally, no, I wouldn't care. First of all, my husband is NOT smooth. I love him, buthe just isn't. :giggle It's not like he would even know how to hit on a woman. I looked past that when I got with him. It's not like he was so smooth he swept me off my feet. :rofl Second of all, I trust my HUSBAND, so it doesn't matter so much if I trust the other person. They can want him all they want, it isn't going to magically make him want them back, KWIM?

Really though, if the possibility of attraction is the issue, then why not let gay people serve openly and room them all with straight people? Wouldn't putting a gay guy with another gay guy be more of a cause for concern than sticking a gay guy with a straight guy? Since both of the gay guy actually LIKE GUYS? :dunno :P

Really though, if the possibility of attraction is the issue, then why not let gay people serve openly and room them all with straight people? Wouldn't putting a gay guy with another gay guy be more of a cause for concern than sticking a gay guy with a straight guy? Since both of the gay guy actually LIKE GUYS? :dunno :P
that's the question!!! everybody gets thier own room!

Ya win some, ya lose some. :dunno

I give up, it's Saturday night and my liquor cabinet is calling my name...
I couldn't agree more :lol :offtobed

Personally, no, I wouldn't care. First of all, my husband is NOT smooth. I love him, buthe just isn't. :giggle It's not like he would even know how to hit on a woman. I looked past that when I got with him. It's not like he was so smooth he swept me off my feet. :rofl Second of all, I trust my HUSBAND, so it doesn't matter so much if I trust the other person. They can want him all they want, it isn't going to magically make him want them back, KWIM?

Really though, if the possibility of attraction is the issue, then why not let gay people serve openly and room them all with straight people? Wouldn't putting a gay guy with another gay guy be more of a cause for concern than sticking a gay guy with a straight guy? Since both of the gay guy actually LIKE GUYS? :dunno :P

i know what you mean!! hell, someone can tell DF that a girl was hitting on him.. and he will be like 'no? she was just being nice!' he wouldnt even know a girl was hitting on him unless she like, grabbed his balls.

and its true about the rooming thing... i love those places that try to make you 'not gay' (HA!) and they room the two gay people together... DUH?
not to say that just cuz two gay people are in the same room automatically wanna be with each other (dont get me started on THAT jewel of an ignorant way of thinking.. ) but seriously, there IS a chance of attraction... and the temptation of going against the people trying to 'convert' them.

I was about to say that :yes

Ditto. Good call, Becca

i've said it before. rules are rules. play by them. the guy said he went back into the closet to join the military but was outed by someone, so obviously he wasn't discreet enough.

this guy's story is a prime example of why i think it's a bad decision for the s/o of a gay military member to be divulging that info here, because as i said, it only takes ONE person & you're done.

Shut up! Seriously, we get that you hate that he's open. Let it go...

:ohsnap

so would y'all mind if your SO was rooming with a woman??

i think there are gay men that are attracted to straight men and would pursue them, just like there are straight women that are attracted to gay men and would pursue them... by no means do i think it's common, but i think it's out there. so potentially a straight guy rooming with a gay guy should be allowed no more than a straight guy rooming with a straight female. hmmm but you wouldn't make a straight men's room, and a gay men's room... i'm starting to change my mind... :puzz

Honestly, no. I mean, I would rather him room with guys because I think the overall situation is just better to have men and women separated for the same reasons that men and women have different/separate bathrooms. But if he's going to cheat, he'll cheat whether the chick is rooming in or not.

it's just a rule. play by it.

i dont understand why someone felt the need to out him... do think that maybe he knew something about someone higher up ??? not that i am a conspiracy theorist or anything

Honestly, no. I mean, I would rather him room with guys because I think the overall situation is just better to have men and women separated for the same reasons that men and women have different/separate bathrooms. But if he's going to cheat, he'll cheat whether the chick is rooming in or not.

i can stand behind this :)

it's just a rule. play by it.

I completely disagree with this. I think there is always room for change, if gone about in the right way. Gay people deserve to serve their country and not have to be treated unequally. I don't think everyone should just 'play by it'. I think there is some work that needs to be done to get this changed but it won't ever change as long as everyone is 'just playing by it'.

it's just a rule. play by it.

so was 'white drinking fountain' 'colored drinking fountain'

but my brother can drink out of the same one as me.... because people did NOT play by it.

I completely disagree with this. I think there is always room for change, if gone about in the right way. Gay people deserve to serve their country and not have to be treated unequally. I don't think everyone should just 'play by it'. I think there is some work that needs to be done to get this changed but it won't ever change as long as everyone is 'just playing by it'.

:five

I completely disagree with this. I think there is always room for change, if gone about in the right way. Gay people deserve to serve their country and not have to be treated unequally. I don't think everyone should just 'play by it'. I think there is some work that needs to be done to get this changed but it won't ever change as long as everyone is 'just playing by it'.

:agree

Thank GOD people stopped "playing by it" when it came to slavery... or segregation... or all the other fucked up discriminatory practices that used to be ENFORCED BY THE GOVERNMENT.

it's just a rule. play by it.

The person who outed him should have played by the rules. It's also don't tell...

so was 'white drinking fountain' 'colored drinking fountain'

but my brother can drink out of the same one as me.... because people did NOT play by it.

Dang, I was thinking the same thing.

I think its beyond conceited to assume that just because someone is gay, they would necessarily be attracted to you just because you're the same sex as you. Just like it would be just as conceited to assume that every man is attracted to you just because you're straight. Its not like that. At all.
Yeah, there are instances where gay people ARE attracted to straight people, but it also goes the other way, ya know.

Its sad that people are kicked out of the military because of a set of rules put in place by a bunch of homophobic assholes. I seriously fail to see what a person's sexual orientation has to do with his/her work ethic. Its just sad that in this day and age, the US government is still openly discriminating against people.

I can only hope that things, one day (and hopefully soon) will change.


Also, I wish more of the people who ASK under the currently policy of "don't ask".....would get in trouble also. You have to wonder how many members actually get kicked out for asking someone their sexual orientation. I'm guessing VERY few, IF any:no

For real, yo.

I completely disagree with this. I think there is always room for change, if gone about in the right way. Gay people deserve to serve their country and not have to be treated unequally. I don't think everyone should just 'play by it'. I think there is some work that needs to be done to get this changed but it won't ever change as long as everyone is 'just playing by it'.

Ah, but the point is, right now it IS the rule. Until they CHANGE the rule, it will be what needs to be followed. Unfortunately for this individual, he took the chance, and lost.

Ah, but the point is, right now it IS the rule. Until they CHANGE the rule, it will be what needs to be followed. Unfortunately for this individual, he took the chance, and lost.

I agree. No matter if you agree with it or not, there is no room for breaking rules in the military.

Well, according to the story, he didn't tell, someone else did. We don't know the circumstances of how he was outed. All it takes it one person accusing you for the military to go sniffing around in your personal life, and then he wouldn't have to tell to be discharged.