Ok,
DISCLAIMER:
I am not putting down any of YOU who have ever used an EBT card. My stance on this is that if our husbands are serving this country and we are making the sacrifices we all make so that this country can stay safe and free-and the government is paying our husbands a salary that actually qualifies us for welfare- well, them I think we deserve to make use of it.

It's these other people who have pissed me off.

First of all, ever since I moved to Hawaii, I have been told to stay away from the areas that were heavily populated by locals, because there have been many many instances of the natives attacking/beating up "haoles" - white poeple- I've been told that many of the locals hate the military presence and white people and resent that their island was taken away from them, like, 100 years ago. I can understand their anger maybe a little bit.. but..the reality is that they ARE a state of America and the ones who were intelligent or are intelligent, know to take advantage of any benefits that provides.
I have met some really nice locals, but there have been areas we have gone through where the hostility was palpable.

OK..
So, I was shopping in foodland today and had some locals in front of me..They were buying $200 worth the groceries with their EBT card. It was family of an older mother, brother and a few younger kids. I didn't judge them when they used their EBT card, although I got semi-irritated that the very overweight brother chose to come into the store without a shirt on. I still can't get used to this. I was in a bad mood already because I was missing my husband so bad and its almost christmas, so I also got a little irritated that it was taking longer and that the younger woman wasnt prepared to spend over $20 on her own groceries and needed to go get more cash.

All of this would have been fine, except after I got my groceries, I went over to get a coffee at coffee bean and the fat no-shirt local guy was waiting inf ront of me with a bunch of cash. I FELT SO ANGRY!!! He ordered a bunch of these caramel frappucino type things. ALso, when he and the little kids walked by me they ALL just REEKED of cigarette smoke.
HOW CAN YOU AFFORD TO SPEND 5 DOLLARS ON ONE COFFEE AND ENOUGH MONEY ON CIGARRETTES THAT YOU STRONGLY REEK OF THEM, BUT YOU ARE TOO POOR TO BUY YOUR OWN GROCERIES?!?!



I AM SO ANGRY RIGHT NOW!!!! MY husband is out away from me- his family- defending this country- working for a much lower salary than he would be getting in the private sector-- and yet, here I am buying my own groceries and working a job so that I can afford to buy myself a coffee treat once in awhile. These stupid morons are constantly bitching that we've stolen their island and blame America for them being POOR- they are rude to white people and there are places I can't even go on the island-- but they most certainly take advantage of the benefits of U.S. welfare. I just feel so angry right now. I know I can't judge every local hawaiian the same, I HAVE MET SOME REALLY NICE NATIVES-- but my anger is just compounded right now because I am depressed every day since the holidays started because my husband is off defending these retards right to use their welfare and they hate us.

PS. I also have a lot of personal experience here. When I first moved here I got a job at Starbucks and ended up pretty much getting forced out by the other women I worked with- all locals-- they said all these mean things about me to management constantly. Then I got a job at Macy's.. Where- I have t admit- a lot of the people I work with are NOT locals- and I am fine. I love going to work every day!

I am not going to say this is just hawaiians.. I grew up in a town where there were a lot of poor people and I know my mom used to get upset and agry when she would see some of the ones who didn't even bother trying to work buying cigarettes and alcohol and using EBT cards.

My parents worked SO HARD to make a decent living and buy a decent house so my sister and I could have a backyard and a swingset. I can't judge every person on welfare without knowing their circumstances, but I will judge someone who is buying expensive unecessary stuff like this and is using an EBT card.
OUR TAXES PAY FOR THIS!

Ok,
DISCLAIMER:
I am not putting down any of YOU who have ever used an EBT card. My stance on this is that if our husbands are serving this country and we are making the sacrifices we all make so that this country can stay safe and free-and the government is still paying our husbands a salary that actually qualifies us for welfare- well, then, that is kind of sad and unfair and I think we deserve to make use of it, since it is from taxes and we serve this country.

It's these other people who have pissed me off.

First of all, ever since I moved to Hawaii, I have been told to stay away from the areas that were heavily populated by locals, because there have been many many instances of the natives attacking/beating up "haoles" - white poeple- I've been told that many of the locals hate the military presence and white people and resent that their island was taken away from them, like, 100 years ago. I can understand their anger maybe a little bit.. but..the reality is that they ARE a state of America and the ones who are intelligent know to take advantage of any benefits that provides.
I have met some really nice locals, but there have been areas we have gone through where the hostility was palpable.

OK..
So, I was shopping in foodland today and had some locals in front of me..They were buying $200 worth the groceries with their EBT card. It was family of an older mother, an adult brother, adult sister and a few younger kids. I didn't judge them when they used their EBT card, although I got semi-irritated that the very overweight brother chose to come into the store without a shirt on. I still can't get used to this. I was in a bad mood already because I was missing my husband so bad and its almost christmas, so I also got a little irritated that it was taking longer and that the younger woman wasnt prepared to spend over $20 on her own groceries and needed to go get more cash.

All of this would have been fine, except after I got my groceries, I went over to get a coffee at coffee bean and the fat no-shirt local guy was waiting in
front of me with a bunch of cash. I FELT SO ANGRY!!! He ordered a bunch of these caramel frappucino type things. ALso, when he and the little kids walked by me they ALL just REEKED of cigarette smoke.

HOW CAN YOU AFFORD TO SPEND 15 DOLLARS ON THREE COFFEES AND ENOUGH MONEY ON CIGARRETTES THAT YOU STRONGLY REEK OF THEM, BUT YOU ARE TOO POOR TO BUY YOUR OWN GROCERIES?!?! DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY GROCERIES YOU CAN BUY INSTEAD OF FANCY COFFEE DRINKS AND CIGARETTES?!?!?

I AM SO ANGRY RIGHT NOW!!!! MY husband is out away from me- his family- defending this country- working for a much lower salary than he would be getting in the private sector-- and yet, here I am buying my own groceries and working a job so that I can afford to buy myself a coffee treat once in awhile. These stupid morons are constantly bitching that we've stolen their island and blame America for them being POOR- they are rude to white people and there are places I can't even go on the island-- but they most certainly take advantage of the benefits of U.S. welfare. I just feel so angry right now. I know I can't judge every local hawaiian the same, I HAVE MET SOME REALLY NICE NATIVES-- but my anger is just compounded right now because I am depressed every day since the holidays started because my husband is off defending these retards right to use their welfare and they hate us.

PS. I also have a lot of personal experience here. When I first moved here I got a job at Starbucks and ended up pretty much getting forced out by the other women I worked with- all locals-- they said all these mean things about me to management constantly. Then I got a job at this department store.. Where- I have to admit- a lot of the people I work with are NOT NATIVE HAWAIIANS and I am fine. I love going to work every day!

I am not going to say this is just hawaiians.. I grew up in a town where there were a lot of poor people and I know my mom used to get upset and agry when she would see some of the other mothers of kids at my school- who didn't even bother trying to work- buying cigarettes and alcohol and using EBT cards.

My parents worked SO HARD to make a decent living and buy a decent house so my sister and I could have a backyard and a swingset. I can't judge every person on welfare without knowing their circumstances, but I will judge someone who is buying expensive unecessary stuff like this and is using an EBT card.
OUR TAXES PAY FOR THIS!:vent:vent:vent

There was just a debate about this so you probably won't get a lot of responses, as most people KNOW how these debates end.

My $.02

I don't understand why you care if they buy coffee? I can only afford about $80 a month in groceries, and do not receive any government help...but I wouldn't even think to care what someone else bought with their own money. It's none of my business.
Their salary is obviously small if they have EBT, so why not let them spend their last $10 or whatever on coffee?

The term haoles doesn't mean white people. It refers to foreigners. Be they blue, green, orange, or hot pink.

I wanted to clear that up :tu

I am part Hawaiian and your post really got to me. You don't know their situation. Who are you to judge the family? What's up with the fat local description? It is attitudes like yours that make locals angry! You calling them fat locals is just as bad as the locals calling you a stupid haole.

Take it to PM if you have something further to say :tu
:rolleyes

BUT...we dont know if this was his $ or a friends....:eek

Wait...there are two threads? :giggle

The term haoles doesn't mean white people. It refers to foreigners. Be they blue, green, orange, or hot pink.



Technically yes it does mean that but it isn't used that way anymore. ;)

Posted on the other one

Technically yes it does mean that but it isn't used that way anymore. ;)

Yeah, but people always think it means only white people. :five

I know... I saw this, and I was like "I just looked at this and there are no new posts... :puzz :lol for duplicate threads.

Yeah, but people always think it means only white people. :five

True :) I think the main reason is because people usually say it when they see a white person. I know that's how my FIL uses it and it annoys the hell out of me because even though I was born and raised there I'm still frikken white. :duh

True :) I think the main reason is because people usually say it when they see a white person. I know that's how my FIL uses it and it annoys the hell out of me because even though I was born and raised there I'm still frikken white. :duh

You would be a local Haole. Not loco :lmao

You would be a local Haole. Not loco :lmao

:lol I know I'm not loco. :P Also just to be a pain in the butt if Haole means foreigner how can I be a local foreigner? ;) Wouldn't I be one of the other? :lmao

I merged the two duplicate posts. :)

If you're raised in the islands, that's how they distinguish you from someone who moves there.

If you're raised in the islands, that's how they distinguish you from someone who moves there.

I dunno either way I think if your born and raised there technically you should be a local. :lol

I'm not gonna get into this again though I did before and it's not worth it. Have a nice day everyone. ;)

I notice things like that sometimes... and mull the possibilities over in my head... but in the end, I don't judge people for their choices, (especially when it SEEMS like they could be making better ones... but I do not know..) When all the chips fall I don't know everyone's situation, AND I can sit some place all day and say "I would never do that, or be that way etc, god why are they doing that" until I was in that situation, and then... who knows how I would be??

I got a big reality check by spending substantial time out west in a poor area... where there are all kinds on EBT. I also say those things being close to someone who is on it, as well as state medical care... and doing her best to make things work for herself and her kids. I actually had to jump off my high horse earlier than I wanted to, because both programs were screwing her and her kids through no fault of hers... and I had to help her navigate the system. So, I got grossly humbled, and helped them out in the process... Good deal. :)

Things are not always as they seem... so... I am sorry you are being treated as you are by the locals, but you seem like a cool chick, so step back and kick in the empathy before you judge... and try to realize they feel that way for a reason, and are probably guilty of making the same kinds of snap judgments as you.

Don't let other peoples situations, or your perceptions of them get to you.. there is nothing you can really do about them anyway, other than adjust you attitude, and try to educate yourself.

I dunno either way I think if your born and raised there technically you should be a local. :lol

I'm not gonna get into this again though I did before and it's not worth it. Have a nice day everyone. ;)

I am not going to let this piss me off either.

It's not worth it :mumble

I notice things like that sometimes... and mull the possibilities over in my head... but in the end, I don't judge people for their choices, (especially when it SEEMS like they could be making better ones... but I do not know..) When all the chips fall I don't know everyone's situation, AND I can sit some place all day and say "I would never do that, or be that way etc, god why are they doing that" until I was in that situation, and then... who knows how I would be??

I got a big reality check by spending substantial time out west in a poor area... where there are all kinds on EBT. I also say those things being close to someone who is on it, as well as state medical care... and doing her best to make things work for herself and her kids. I actually had to jump off my high horse earlier than I wanted to, because both programs were screwing her and her kids through no fault of hers... and I had to help her navigate the system. So, I got grossly humbled, and helped them out in the process... Good deal. :)

Things are not always as they seem... so... I am sorry you are being treated as you are by the locals, but you seem like a cool chick, so step back and kick in the empathy before you judge... and try to realize they feel that way for a reason, and are probably guilty of making the same kinds of snap judgments as you.

Don't let other peoples situations, or your perceptions of them get to you.. there is nothing you can really do about them anyway, other than adjust you attitude, and try to educate yourself.


My best friend who lives on the mainland actually is on welfare.. I don't know about EBT, but I do know she tries to get whatever she can... I really do love her to death, but I am irritated at her, because she has a full ride to school because of fafsa, but hasnt ever finished... got pregnant when she can't really afford a kid (she had FREE BC pills).. owe almost $20k in debt and can't remember what in the world she bought (much of this is fees cuz she stopped paying her bills).. she think its ok that her kids and her only have the meager state health care she can get for free. We are best friends.. I think she is a really good person.. but somewhere along the way she got the idea that all of this is OK.It's not OK! I think the mentality of people is really affected by the culture in which you grow up. The town I'm from has a really similar mentality to what she's got, so I guess I can't really blame her. I know that those hawaiians obviously have different priotities than some other people..

Anyway, I have been there for my friend and I have consistently tried to help her in any way I could.. I always tried to motivate her and tried to get her to move and find a better future for herself.. She never did listen though.. and thats ok cuz i still love her.. I can't help but feel slightly irritated though when people act like this. I also feel sorry for her because she isnt married yet and I hope and pray that the guy that got her pregnant will marry her and they will have an awesome relationship forever, but I just don't know. ;(
Her life might end up being harder than it had to be, but I know that I helped her all I could and that maybe she will be just fine and like however it ends up. I really hope so.

I am not going to let this piss me off either.

It's not worth it :mumble

:yes We both know how we feel and it doesn't matter if we get other people to agree with us. I feel the way I do you feel the way you do and we can leave it at that. :D :hugs

It's not just Hawaii...and that's all I'll say about that.

It's not just Hawaii...and that's all I'll say about that.

Oh, I know. People can probably make similar posts about every kind of people. I am not being racist about this at all because I am well aware that pretty much every race has people who do this. It just happens to be Hawaiians that I saw today.

My best friend who lives on the mainland actually is on welfare.. I don't know about EBT, but I do know she tries to get whatever she can... I really do love her to death, but I am irritated at her, because she has a full ride to school because of fafsa, but hasnt ever finished... got pregnant when she can't really afford a kid.. owe almost $20k in debt and can't remember what in the world she bought (much of this is fees cuz she stopped paying her bills).. she think its ok that her kids and her only have the meager state health care she can get for free. We are best friends.. I think she is a really good person.. but somewhere along the way she got the idea that all of this is OK.It's not OK! I think the mentality of people is really affected by the culture in which you grow up. The town I'm from has a really similar mentality to what she's got, so I guess I can't really blame her. I know that those hawaiians obviously have different priotities than some other people..

Well, most of that I do agree with... it's NOT OK... but you do what you have to do, and it should be a TEMPORARY thing. I honestly get pissed off at my sister a little bit (she's the one referenced in the story) because of how they handle things, and the choices she makes with the money they DO have... and I DO know her situation and what she could be/is capable of...

It is a matter of priorities, and I will never understand that part of it...BUT, then I remember that I, in spite of my own difficulties graduated HS and went on to college, am very informed on a lot of issues... so, in essence, I have the TOOLS to better myself, and the know how and motivation to do it. My sister on the other hand, is the polar opposite of me, got pregnant young, involved in a bad lifestyle...

And even though she is clean, away from her dumb ass husband, and a good mom... she still at 33 has no diploma, and any ambition she does have gets squashed by her own guilt, and self confidence issues.

When you lack those things, education, and a way to see multiple sides to the story... getting benefits like that becomes the best and "only" way... and the way it's set up is unfortunate... if you make over X amount, they take a lot of it away from you... so, then in effect, you get no benefits, and still can't survive... it's like you get stuck between a rock and a hard place.

It's not just Hawaiian's though, and they are not ALL like that, I am sure... but, a lot of rural america is that way, a lot of backwoods southern america is that way... as are the indian reservations... but there is always... or almost always cultural, and other difficulties and differences for why that is... it's not right... but it just IS.

I wish there were some way we could change that... but I've not figured it out yet.

My best friend who lives on the mainland actually is on welfare.. I don't know about EBT, but I do know she tries to get whatever she can... I really do love her to death, but I am irritated at her, because she has a full ride to school because of fafsa, but hasnt ever finished... got pregnant when she can't really afford a kid (she had FREE BC pills).. owe almost $20k in debt and can't remember what in the world she bought (much of this is fees cuz she stopped paying her bills).. she think its ok that her kids and her only have the meager state health care she can get for free. We are best friends.. I think she is a really good person.. but somewhere along the way she got the idea that all of this is OK.It's not OK! I think the mentality of people is really affected by the culture in which you grow up. The town I'm from has a really similar mentality to what she's got, so I guess I can't really blame her. I know that those hawaiians obviously have different priotities than some other people..

Anyway, I have been there for my friend and I have consistently tried to help her in any way I could.. I always tried to motivate her and tried to get her to move and find a better future for herself.. She never did listen though.. and thats ok cuz i still love her.. I can't help but feel slightly irritated though when people act like this. I also feel sorry for her because she isnt married yet and I hope and pray that the guy that got her pregnant will marry her and they will have an awesome relationship forever, but I just don't know. ;(
Her life might end up being harder than it had to be, but I know that I helped her all I could and that maybe she will be just fine and like however it ends up. I really hope so.


I got pregnant very young with both of my first two and actually looking back now really couldn't afford it. I was not married either time nor did I marry thier dad's and yes I say dad's. The first one died. So there for I had 2 kids by two different people never being married. And yes I could have went to school, but never did and my life has turned out fine. By reading your last post and your OP I think maybe you should be a little less judgemental of people especially the ones in your OP. I was VERY low income with both of my kids and had no assistance except I did have state medical for them. But I did manage to take them to McDonalds ones a week if they were good. I would just go without other things that you might think are necesities. Like a cell phone or a nicer car. You never know how they live and what they give up to have maybe a nice coffee ones a month. People live how they want to and I don't see in anyway how them getting coffee or having no shirt on affects you and your everyday life. Maybe you should just let things like that go and worry about the bigger things in life.

Well, most of that I do agree with... it's NOT OK... but you do what you have to do, and it should be a TEMPORARY thing. I honestly get pissed off at my sister a little bit (she's the one referenced in the story) because of how they handle things, and the choices she makes with the money they DO have... and I DO know her situation and what she could be/is capable of...

It is a matter of priorities, and I will never understand that part of it...BUT, then I remember that I, in spite of my own difficulties graduated HS and went on to college, am very informed on a lot of issues... so, in essence, I have the TOOLS to better myself, and the know how and motivation to do it. My sister on the other hand, is the polar opposite of me, got pregnant young, involved in a bad lifestyle...

And even though she is clean, away from her dumb ass husband, and a good mom... she still at 33 has no diploma, and any ambition she does have gets squashed by her own guilt, and self confidence issues.

When you lack those things, education, and a way to see multiple sides to the story... getting benefits like that becomes the best and "only" way... and the way it's set up is unfortunate... if you make over X amount, they take a lot of it away from you... so, then in effect, you get no benefits, and still can't survive... it's like you get stuck between a rock and a hard place.

It's not just Hawaiian's though, and they are not ALL like that, I am sure... but, a lot of rural america is that way, a lot of backwoods southern america is that way... as are the indian reservations... but there is always... or almost always cultural, and other difficulties and differences for why that is... it's not right... but it just IS.

I wish there were some way we could change that... but I've not figured it out yet.

Yeah, so you see.. My mom's sister is like that.. polar opposite of my mom.. My aunt is still not in a great place, but she is in a far better place than she once was, so I guess we think its good because in a way, she's been raised up and saved from what could have been. As for my best friend...I personally tried to give her the tools, information and help she needed.. but she never took it. She's not unhappy,,, it doesn't seem like she lacks self-confidence.. it just seems like she wants a family and couldn't care less about a career.. and that is OK, but what isnt ok is that she didn't wait to be financially stable. I am proud of her for not doing what many of the people she used to hang out with are doing.. like sleeping around and catching STDs and doing drugs etc. It could be worse, but i am proud of her for at least being good like she is,.. I'm just sad because I know she is capable of so much more.

Yeah, so you see.. My mom's sister is like that.. polar opposite of my mom.. My aunt is still not in a great place, but she is in a far better place than she once was, so I guess we think its good because in a way, she's been raised up and saved from what could have been. As for my best friend...I personally tried to give her the tools, information and help she needed.. but she never took it. She's not unhappy,,, it doesn't seem like she lacks self-confidence.. it just seems like she wants a family and couldn't care less about a career.. and that is OK, but what isnt ok is that she didn't wait to be financially stable. I am proud of her for not doing what many of the people she used to hang out with are doing.. like sleeping around and catching STDs and doing drugs etc. It could be worse, but i am proud of her for at least being good like she is,.. I'm just sad because I know she is capable of so much more.


Yea. That kind of thing drives me crazy when other people see someone's potential, and they are just content to sit on their laurels and let it be. Just exist. But, until and if ever she decides that it needs to change, you could offer everything, and it would be in vain.

My sister is doing better than ever in terms of many areas, but she had such a hard time financially when I was out there... worried about getting her kids birthday presents, and guilty over them not having a Christmas etc. She also did not have a job at the time, and her DB was a construction foreman or something.

She got a job in my last month out there... and got in so good with this one client through the agency she quit them, and is now working as a private caregiver to the family... BUT... her DB is no longer working due to health issues (and he made more than she ever could most of the time) and he can't get unemployment or disability right now (even though he is entitled to it because his health is that bad)

Now, I KNOW that this job is paying her well, but not that well, and with him not working, it's harder... but... still... in the last months, they got a new dog, a new pool table, and her boys got a $200 quad bike.... and they also have 5 horses to take care of, and rent and etc.. so I am like :eek

It frustrates me... to no end actually...especially because I know the other things she wants to do with her life... and she seems to change her mind and want to walk the line between "new things" and state assistance... and I don't understand... but it's not my life... and it's not my choice to make... and not my regret to have, if when they should have been saving for emergencies or whatever... that they didn't and blew money on "crap" :dunno

I love my sister... but... I dunno.

I was VERY low income with both of my kids and had no assistance except I did have state medical for them. But I did manage to take them to McDonalds ones a week if they were good. I would just go without other things that you might think are necesities. Like a cell phone or a nicer car. You never know how they live and what they give up to have maybe a nice coffee ones a month. People live how they want to and I don't see in anyway how them getting coffee or having no shirt on affects you and your everyday life. Maybe you should just let things like that go and worry about the bigger things in life.
Worth quoting.

I got pregnant very young with both of my first two and actually looking back now really couldn't afford it. I was not married either time nor did I marry thier dad's and yes I say dad's. The first one died. So there for I had 2 kids by two different people never being married. And yes I could have went to school, but never did and my life has turned out fine. By reading your last post and your OP I think maybe you should be a little less judgemental of people especially the ones in your OP. I was VERY low income with both of my kids and had no assistance except I did have state medical for them. But I did manage to take them to McDonalds ones a week if they were good. I would just go without other things that you might think are necesities. Like a cell phone or a nicer car. You never know how they live and what they give up to have maybe a nice coffee ones a month. People live how they want to and I don't see in anyway how them getting coffee or having no shirt on affects you and your everyday life. Maybe you should just let things like that go and worry about the bigger things in life.


You are very lucky to have someone to live your life with now and help you take care of your children. I don't know the circumstances of your life, so I don't really know how you came to have two children so early like that. I'm sure you love your kids very much and can't imagine life without them.. but it is really unfortunate that you had to go through so many tough times by having them so early.

I understand that it is possible that they scrimp and save so they can have their monthly coffees.. but I'm sorry, I really don't believe it. The cigarette stench coming off their clothes pisses me off too and I don't believe that people cant quit because I know SO MANY people who have quit. SO MANY! That is one expensive habit right there.
And its pretty bad when your four year old even reeks of it.
In an ideal world, everybody would be politically correct and no one would judge anyone.. unfortunately, we are all responsible for the choices we make and i'm trying to be somewhat fair to these people, but when they are using their welfare money in front of me, I can't help but have an opinion, especcially when I see welfare money as money coming out of the paychecks of those of us who WORK to buy our own groceries. that person is buying groceries with money that I EARNED. (or that someone else earned)
Because of that, I feel perfectly justified in having some kind of opinion about it.

I don't see why this bothers you. So what it slowed your day down just a bit. You don't know how that family lives. How do you know THEY smoke? Maybe they live with a heavy smoker :dunno who cares if he bought coffee with cash and groceries with EBT. There are WAY more important things to worry about then how other people live their lives. :dunno

I agree with what dannysgirl said. My mom went without food for herself, walked to work instead of drove, etc. to be able to buy me a prom dress my junior year of high school. My dress was gorgeous, you would have thought we had money. But we most definetly did not. Although we never recieved public assistance when my dad left us that year, we should have. My mom had too much pride for that, though. Even though I went to school and dressed very nicely, my mom had to sacrifice for that. I wish I had known at the time what she was sacrificing for me, I was too ignorant and self-absorbed (off-topic, but had to say it).

I guess you just never know what someone is going through. I can see how you would think what you are thinking though. It would probably be my gut reaction, before flipping the situation around in my mind.

Wow, yeah I don't think I'll type what I really want to say.

I agree with Pebbles 100%.

We've been on island almost 6 years and we've never been treated ANY differently. As a matter of fact I have local friends here that are closer to me than my own family.

I will say that it's really none of your business what they're buying or who they're buying it for or WHAT their wearing while they're buying it. We live on an island you're going to see plenty of shirtless guys walking around. I don't see why it matters that he was overweight. :no

Ugh I'm going to stop now, your whole post really irritated me. :sigh

I don't see why this bothers you. So what it slowed your day down just a bit. You don't know how that family lives. How do you know THEY smoke? Maybe they live with a heavy smoker :dunno who cares if he bought coffee with cash and groceries with EBT. There are WAY more important things to worry about then how other people live their lives. :dunno


Because I would much prefer my tax money going to pay for FULL tuition for those of us that want to attend college, but can't afford to go full-time. I would be 100% happy if my taxes went toward programs that helped these people get jobs that helped them to buy groceries AND their fancy coffee drinks and cigarettes- all from their own paycheck. When I see this kind of crap, I realize that the only kind of welfare programs I would support, would be for people who want to do better, or who need medical care and cant get it, or for people who serve our country and need welfare cuz the govt doesn't pay well enough (although the solution for that one would be to raise the paychecks of E-1 and up a bit more)
I've worked plenty of different jobs- a lot of them with crappy pay- and so I see that EBT card as being money I never saw because it was taken out in taxes.
:dunno

I hope you don't take this the wrong way.... but I have a feeling people are going to get me for being HARSH....

I'm not trying to JUDGE YOU... but reading your posts on this subject, I think you are very fortunate to be as privileged as you are...

(I have seen both sides of the "tracks" and dealing in the $$$ side at the moment, I would almost rather be poor... because $$$ can make you blind and closed off even if unintentional and before you even realize it)

I think you need to like I said, not let other people's lives and life choices get to you... because their really are bigger things to deal with....

I also think you need to spend a substantial amount of time in a poor area like we mentioned before... rural community, or indian reservation or whatever from the INSIDE so you can better form judgments...

I had to do it, to stop from being so judgmental, and even now I still need reminders...

I dunno... it just seems to me... (and like I said, I dunno you yet, and dunno how your life has been) that you're only still seeing one side of things... and are coming off the wrong way...

:cantlook :hides

:hugs I don't bite, I just had to say that.

Because I would much prefer my tax money going to pay for FULL tuition for those of us that want to attend college, but can't afford to go full-time. I would be 100% happy if my taxes went toward programs that helped these people get jobs that helped them to buy groceries AND their fancy coffee drinks and cigarettes- all from their own paycheck. When I see this kind of crap, I realize that the only kind of welfare programs I would support, would be for people who want to do better, or who need medical care and cant get it, or for people who serve our country and need welfare cuz the govt doesn't pay well enough (although the solution for that one would be to raise the paychecks of E-1 and up a bit more)
I've worked plenty of different jobs- a lot of them with crappy pay- and so I see that EBT card as being money I never saw because it was taken out in taxes.
:dunno

Wow.

I'm shocked by how absolutely self centered and selfish...I can't even finish the sentence.

Ugh .. :no

Because I would much prefer my tax money going to pay for FULL tuition for those of us that want to attend college, but can't afford to go full-time. I would be 100% happy if my taxes went toward programs that helped these people get jobs that helped them to buy groceries AND their fancy coffee drinks and cigarettes- all from their own paycheck. When I see this kind of crap, I realize that the only kind of welfare programs I would support, would be for people who want to do better, or who need medical care and cant get it, or for people who serve our country and need welfare cuz the govt doesn't pay well enough (although the solution for that one would be to raise the paychecks of E-1 and up a bit more)
I've worked plenty of different jobs- a lot of them with crappy pay- and so I see that EBT card as being money I never saw because it was taken out in taxes.
:dunno


Since you're so concerned about the state of others affairs, why don't you run for office? I wouldn't vote for you with your elitist attitude.

:tu

Your life may be all peachy keen now. Life happens and when it does, maybe you'll have some empathy for those who are less fortunate. Put your Manolos on the other foot and don't judge. Step down a notch to Payless :rolleyes

I hope you don't take this the wrong way.... but I have a feeling people are going to get me for being HARSH....

I'm not trying to JUDGE YOU... but reading your posts on this subject, I think you are very fortunate to be as privileged as you are...

(I have seen both sides of the "tracks" and dealing in the $$$ side at the moment, I would almost rather be poor... because $$$ can make you blind and closed off even if unintentional and before you even realize it)

I think you need to like I said, not let other people's lives and life choices get to you... because their really are bigger things to deal with....

I also think you need to spend a substantial amount of time in a poor area like we mentioned before... rural community, or indian reservation or whatever from the INSIDE so you can better form judgments...

I had to do it, to stop from being so judgmental, and even now I still need reminders...

I dunno... it just seems to me... (and like I said, I dunno you yet, and dunno how your life has been) that you're only still seeing one side of things... and are coming off the wrong way...

:cantlook :hides

:hugs I don't bite, I just had to say that.

Thats ok.. I am sure you are right to a certain degree. Usually people become more open-minded when they see certain things.. I know that *I* am harsh on people sometimes.. I am also harsh on myself. My mom came from an extremely poor family. She was smart and learned how to manage money and save and not buy things she didnt need. Her family probably could have benefitted from welfare, but they were too proud to take hand-outs.. Is that right? I don't know. Maybe her family should have been less proud so that my mom could have shoes with intact soles on them. Her younger sister and brother didnt fare so well, but my mom and her older brother ended up doing ok for themselves.
I heard her stories my whole life.. My dad also came from a family that didn't have much. They tried to give me and my sister the things they didnt have. I AM lucky. I am also lucky that my family instilled in me from day one that I was expected to go to college even though we had no college fund.
I am glad my mom always read to me and taught me that I could be anything as a woman.. I am grateful for that and I know not everyone has someone to motivate them like that.
I know its judgemental to say that the way one group of people raises their children is smarter and better than the way another group does- but its TRUE. Its very obvious that people with certain priorities (like finishing college) have a better chance at doing ok for themselves in this life..
but my main point here is that you dont HAVE to be taught that stuff to do that stuff. My mom and her brother are a great example of people who managed to pull themselves away from the life and culture of poverty!

Since you're so concerned about the state of others affairs, why don't you run for office? I wouldn't vote for you with your elitist attitude.

:tu

Your life may be all peachy keen now. Life happens and when it does, maybe you'll have some empathy for those who are less fortunate. Put your Manolos on the other foot and don't judge. Step down a notch to Payless :rolleyes

I hope you realize I'm not and never have been a rich, spoiled girl. I am 100% a payless/Kmart kind of girl and have been my whole life.

Well im on foodstamps, for now cuz i cant afford groceries on my own. Right now im going through the toughest time in my life taking care of my babies( i have 2) on my own and trying to do the best i can.

Ok so i know how those people were spending some money for themselves on what ebt wont get you. You can only buy cold foods ect, not hot foods..that has to come out of your own money. Cuz to be honest to treat yourself out maybe once when you might have enough money to do so makes you feel good about yourself. And why not do treat yourself out, others do im sure.

I get $500 a month or less depending on what the ex wants to give me. And that all goes to rent, diapers and what my children need, as well as bills. Sure theres some bills i cant pay at the moment, but am working on a plan to be able to pay them off.

I dont even have a car or license, which im working on. But how can you get that if its really difficult to find and job and a 1 in 50 shot of getting one.

So im sorry you feel this way, but i think until you live the situation you shouldnt be to harsh or throw negatives at people you dont know. Cuz im pretty much in the same boat, but working my way out of the situation i got into. And your thread got to me...it wasnt very cool of you to put them or ebt'ers down.

Since you're so concerned about the state of others affairs, why don't you run for office? I wouldn't vote for you with your elitist attitude.

:tu

Your life may be all peachy keen now. Life happens and when it does, maybe you'll have some empathy for those who are less fortunate. Put your Manolos on the other foot and don't judge. Step down a notch to Payless :rolleyes

How is this an elitist attitude?!? Why should we help people that aren't helping themselves?!?!
I am all for providing tons of money so people can get an education and thus, better jobs for themselves.. How is any of this selfish or elitist or any of that??
I would never begrudge sharing my money with someone who really wanted a better life for themselves. I would love to give money to people so they could get childcare so they could go to school and go to work.

I know its judgemental to say that the way one group of people raises their children is smarter and better than the way another group does- but its TRUE. Its very obvious that people with certain priorities (like finishing college) have a better chance at doing ok for themselves in this life..


Almost redeemed yourself.
I'm gonna lay off ya now, because I know it won't help.

Because I would much prefer my tax money going to pay for FULL tuition for those of us that want to attend college, but can't afford to go full-time. I would be 100% happy if my taxes went toward programs that helped these people get jobs that helped them to buy groceries AND their fancy coffee drinks and cigarettes- all from their own paycheck. When I see this kind of crap, I realize that the only kind of welfare programs I would support, would be for people who want to do better, or who need medical care and cant get it, or for people who serve our country and need welfare cuz the govt doesn't pay well enough (although the solution for that one would be to raise the paychecks of E-1 and up a bit more)
I've worked plenty of different jobs- a lot of them with crappy pay- and so I see that EBT card as being money I never saw because it was taken out in taxes.
:dunno

So do you have a problem with me being on WIC? My husband pays taxes too and I still don't give a rats ass what a family is doing with their EBT, it doesn't effect me so who gives? I bet I would bother you too using my wic checks ahead of you b/c I would slow you down

Yea, but there are a lot of different roads to the same destination... and just because the one you are on or the one you pick is different doesn't mean that every other one is wrong.

Not all people on public assistance are lazy losers. Not all people making big bucks deserve it...

We should help those who need it... and EDUCATE them as well... and education is a lot more than a diploma and 4 years of college or more.

I am sorry, but hearing stories is not the same as actually being in it... and you don't know what all contributed to you mother not getting assistance...

It's elitist of you the way you are coming off is all people are trying to say.

You said before "people don't have to be taught" to do things, they just do them... well yea sure, in a perfect world... but, if you don't know where to start, and didn't grow up in a house that showed you how to be resourceful, or provided you with a stable environment... then...:dunno

We are just trying to get you to see that it's not as easy as you are making it out to be... the world is not black and white... and things are not as cut and dry as they may seem at first glance.

So do you have a problem with me being on WIC? My husband pays taxes too and I still don't give a rats ass what a family is doing with their EBT, it doesn't effect me so who gives? I bet I would bother you too using my wic checks ahead of you b/c I would slow you down

Did you even read the part in my original post about my opinion of military families on welfare?

Ok I'm gonna put my 2 cents in and then hopefully be done with this. I saw this thread a while ago and thought I shouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole buuuut here I am. I personally don't think it's any of your business if someone is on welfare and decides to treat themselves to a cup of coffee or whatever. How do YOU know that it is a normal every day thing? Doesnt a person have a right to treat themselves from time to time regardless of if they are on public assistance or not. Unless you know them personally and know that they are "abusing" the system then I don't think you have any right to judge them. I can see why people found this post to be quite offensive...I find it quite ignorant. JMO

Yea, but there are a lot of different roads to the same destination... and just because the one you are on or the one you pick is different doesn't mean that every other one is wrong.

Not all people on public assistance are lazy losers. Not all people making big bucks deserve it...

We should help those who need it... and EDUCATE them as well... and education is a lot more than a diploma and 4 years of college or more.

I am sorry, but hearing stories is not the same as actually being in it... and you don't know what all contributed to you mother not getting assistance...

It's elitist of you the way you are coming off is all people are trying to say.

You said before "people don't have to be taught" to do things, they just do them... well yea sure, in a perfect world... but, if you don't know where to start, and didn't grow up in a house that showed you how to be resourceful, or provided you with a stable environment... then...:dunno

We are just trying to get you to see that it's not as easy as you are making it out to be... the world is not black and white... and things are not as cut and dry as they may seem at first glance.

I know things are not black and white.. And this thread is almost getting pointless, because there ARE so many different kinds of circumstances that can lead people to needing welfare.. but.. regardless of whether or not people on welfare are lazy and don't want to do better, SOME OF THEM ARE!!
So I can be irritated about those I suppose

I know things are not black and white.. And this thread is almost getting pointless, because there ARE so many different kinds of circumstances that can lead people to needing welfare.. but.. regardless of whether or not people on welfare are lazy and don't want to do better, SOME OF THEM ARE!!
So I can be irritated about those I suppose

My question is how do you KNOW what this persons circumstances were? Did you just assume that he was lazy ect...?

If you want to waste energy being annoyed about the lazy ones who would still be lazy even making millions... then that's your right. :)

But, it's not really worth it, and if it is... well.. then figure out why they are "lazy," or whatever and what, if anything YOU COULD do to help or fix it. (instead of seemingly throwing stones from your glass house up on the hill)

Can't please everyone though, and can't change anyone but yourself. So, live your life and be happy. :hugs

I know its judgemental to say that the way one group of people raises their children is smarter and better than the way another group does- but its TRUE. Its very obvious that people with certain priorities (like finishing college) have a better chance at doing ok for themselves in this life..


Judgemental does not even begin to describe this statement :rolleyes....it's rude, disprespectful and uncalled for :no
Guess what....no college education here but yet I hold down a fulltime job, have for the past 13 years.....same job that I am way more qualified than any person coming in with a college education in the same field. And guess what....we are BETTER than ok :yes
Oh yea, let me add that my children will have 110% awesome idea of morals and will be successful :wink

How is this an elitist attitude?!? Why should we help people that aren't helping themselves?!?!
I am all for providing tons of money so people can get an education and thus, better jobs for themselves.. How is any of this selfish or elitist or any of that??
I would never begrudge sharing my money with someone who really wanted a better life for themselves. I would love to give money to people so they could get childcare so they could go to school and go to work.

Who are you to judge who is or isn't doing or trying or willing to better themselves?? How do you know the people in the store don't do the right thing by their kids and themselves but just need a little bit of help from the gov't??

Just becasue you are willing to help does not mean you don't have an elitist attitude...go back and read a lot of what you wrote because it speaks volumes of what and how you really feel about certain people :no

Ok I'm gonna put my 2 cents in and then hopefully be done with this. I saw this thread a while ago and thought I shouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole buuuut here I am. I personally don't think it's any of your business if someone is on welfare and decides to treat themselves to a cup of coffee or whatever. How do YOU know that it is a normal every day thing? Doesnt a person have a right to treat themselves from time to time regardless of if they are on public assistance or not. Unless you know them personally and know that they are "abusing" the system then I don't think you have any right to judge them. I can see why people found this post to be quite offensive...I find it quite ignorant. JMO

i agree with you a 100% on that.

Unless you know them personally and know that they are "abusing" the system then I don't think you have any right to judge them.

Personally, I think anyone ON it is abusing it and we need to get rid of it. I live alone on one income. I support myself. No one does it for me and I wouldn't have anyone support me...but the fact is, I don't NEED it because I make GOOD decisions in life. If that makes me elitist and a snob...so be it. I'm tired of paying taxes and having everyone ELSE get the rewards. Remember, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a socialist philosophy and I think we've all noticed that great experiment failed miserably. People need to acknowledge their own mistakes in life and take responsibility for their OWN lives.

(And don't tell me my parents gave me everything, because my parents were so poor when they were first married that her parents had to buy me clothes...and NO, they NEVER asked for the government to support him beyond his lt jg salary)

Personally, I think anyone ON it is abusing it and we need to get rid of it. I live alone on one income. I support myself. No one does it for me and I wouldn't have anyone support me...but the fact is, I don't NEED it because I make GOOD decisions in life. If that makes me elitist and a snob...so be it. I'm tired of paying taxes and having everyone ELSE get the rewards. Remember, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a socialist philosophy and I think we've all noticed that great experiment failed miserably. People need to acknowledge their own mistakes in life and take responsibility for their OWN lives.

(And don't tell me my parents gave me everything, because my parents were so poor when they were first married that her parents had to buy me clothes...and NO, they NEVER asked for the government to support him beyond his lt jg salary)

And I think you're wrong among other things. You have your right to your opinion just as I have a right to have mine.

Personally, I think anyone ON it is abusing it and we need to get rid of it. I live alone on one income. I support myself. No one does it for me and I wouldn't have anyone support me...but the fact is, I don't NEED it because I make GOOD decisions in life. If that makes me elitist and a snob...so be it. I'm tired of paying taxes and having everyone ELSE get the rewards. Remember, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a socialist philosophy and I think we've all noticed that great experiment failed miserably. People need to acknowledge their own mistakes in life and take responsibility for their OWN lives.

(And don't tell me my parents gave me everything, because my parents were so poor when they were first married that her parents had to buy me clothes...and NO, they NEVER asked for the government to support him beyond his lt jg salary)

All I can say is I am sorry you feel that way.....guess my mom was abusing it when my dad died huh?? We had to have it to survive even with my mom's job, and trust me she used her money wisely :wink

All I can say is I am sorry you feel that way.....guess my mom was abusing it when my dad died huh?? We had to have it to survive even with my mom's job, and trust me she used her money wisely :wink

Ya mine did too I guess. She was a single mother of 3 working and trying to put herself through school to make a better life for us.

Personally, I think anyone ON it is abusing it and we need to get rid of it. I live alone on one income. I support myself. No one does it for me and I wouldn't have anyone support me...but the fact is, I don't NEED it because I make GOOD decisions in life. If that makes me elitist and a snob...so be it. I'm tired of paying taxes and having everyone ELSE get the rewards. Remember, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a socialist philosophy and I think we've all noticed that great experiment failed miserably. People need to acknowledge their own mistakes in life and take responsibility for their OWN lives.

(And don't tell me my parents gave me everything, because my parents were so poor when they were first married that her parents had to buy me clothes...and NO, they NEVER asked for the government to support him beyond his lt jg salary)

:wowsers

If you think that way, which is your God given and American civic right to do do... fine... but I think you are wrong... not only wrong, but sorely mistaken... and do not have a complete understanding of who and what those types of programs are for, and who the MAJORITY are that use them...

That just upsets me.... :gaah

:wowsers

If you think that way, which is your God given and American civic right to do do... fine... but I think you are wrong... not only wrong, but sorely mistaken... and do not have a complete understanding of who and what those types of programs are for, and who the MAJORITY are that use them...

That just upsets me.... :gaah

Ya me too but I'm trying really hard with that whole "not saying everything I think" thing :rofl

Ya mine did too I guess. She was a single mother of 3 working and trying to put herself through school to make a better life for us.



I hear ya on that girl :yes....my mom was at work before we left for school, home when we got there so she could help us with homework if need be and have dinner for us, she made time for my brothers sports...even volunteering with the team, and worked plenty fo weekends to make upf or time missed due to sports................it's hard being a single mom and trying to make a great life for your kiddos :yes, a little help is NOT a bad thing

I hear ya on that girl :yes....my mom was at work before we left for school, home when we got there so she could help us with homework if need be and have dinner for us, she made time for my brothers sports...even volunteering with the team, and worked plenty fo weekends to make upf or time missed due to sports................it's hard being a single mom and trying to make a great life for your kiddos :yes, a little help is NOT a bad thing

Nope, nothing wrong with it at all. It's a shame that some people have that whole holier than thou attitude that they think that everybody should be able to do it alone on their own. If they can, more power to them but that's not always the case.

Ya me too but I'm trying really hard with that whole "not saying everything I think" thing :rofl


Ummm... me too :five otherwise there would have been a novel... :teehee

Ummm... me too :five otherwise there would have been a novel... :teehee

:giggle

Well im on foodstamps, for now cuz i cant afford groceries on my own. Right now im going through the toughest time in my life taking care of my babies( i have 2) on my own and trying to do the best i can.

Ok so i know how those people were spending some money for themselves on what ebt wont get you. You can only buy cold foods ect, not hot foods..that has to come out of your own money. Cuz to be honest to treat yourself out maybe once when you might have enough money to do so makes you feel good about yourself. And why not do treat yourself out, others do im sure.

I get $500 a month or less depending on what the ex wants to give me. And that all goes to rent, diapers and what my children need, as well as bills. Sure theres some bills i cant pay at the moment, but am working on a plan to be able to pay them off.

I dont even have a car or license, which im working on. But how can you get that if its really difficult to find and job and a 1 in 50 shot of getting one.

So im sorry you feel this way, but i think until you live the situation you shouldnt be to harsh or throw negatives at people you dont know. Cuz im pretty much in the same boat, but working my way out of the situation i got into. And your thread got to me...it wasnt very cool of you to put them or ebt'ers down.

:agree yes...i totally agree....not nice at all. guess what- i have been on ebt before while i was working at the same time. there is a difference between being too proud. I mean i did not want to have to get them, but trust me i wouldnt let other people feelings affect whether my child had good food to eat that night or not. And just to let you know not everyone who gets them is lazy...they just simply can not afford what they need at the time.

:smackup

take a look!

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/12/02/iraq.death.toll/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/30/world.aids.day/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/12/01/turkey.kurds.ap/index.html

Give your little fingers a rest go sit down and turn the tube on. Do something productive with your mind and watch the news. Theres something that should be getting people riled up... or better yet go take a pilates class!

Thanks for voluntarily adding yourselves to my ignore list, some of you :five
Better now than to make friends and find out later! :lol

I agree, Kara! This thread has been one of those :freakout

I guess no one will ever see the other side unless they've been on it...and being "poor" is not the same as being impoverished. I have been homeless for many years, in group homes, and other fantastical living conditions, and I can say...if you have grandma there to buy the baby clothes, then NO, you didn't need it...

Not everyone HAS family.

Thanks for voluntarily adding yourselves to my ignore list, some of you :five
Better now than to make friends and find out later! :lol

I agree, Kara! This thread has been one of those :freakout

I guess no one will ever see the other side unless they've been on it...and being "poor" is not the same as being impoverished. I have been homeless for many years, in group homes, and other fantastical living conditions, and I can say...if you have grandma there to buy the baby clothes, then NO, you didn't need it...

Not everyone HAS family.


:thumbsup...EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!

My best friend who lives on the mainland actually is on welfare.. I don't know about EBT, but I do know she tries to get whatever she can... I really do love her to death, but I am irritated at her, because she has a full ride to school because of fafsa, but hasnt ever finished... got pregnant when she can't really afford a kid (she had FREE BC pills).. owe almost $20k in debt and can't remember what in the world she bought (much of this is fees cuz she stopped paying her bills).. she think its ok that her kids and her only have the meager state health care she can get for free. We are best friends.. I think she is a really good person.. but somewhere along the way she got the idea that all of this is OK.It's not OK! I think the mentality of people is really affected by the culture in which you grow up. The town I'm from has a really similar mentality to what she's got, so I guess I can't really blame her. I know that those hawaiians obviously have different priotities than some other people..

Anyway, I have been there for my friend and I have consistently tried to help her in any way I could.. I always tried to motivate her and tried to get her to move and find a better future for herself.. She never did listen though.. and thats ok cuz i still love her.. I can't help but feel slightly irritated though when people act like this. I also feel sorry for her because she isnt married yet and I hope and pray that the guy that got her pregnant will marry her and they will have an awesome relationship forever, but I just don't know. ;(
Her life might end up being harder than it had to be, but I know that I helped her all I could and that maybe she will be just fine and like however it ends up. I really hope so.

ok-- you really need to stop....i had my son at 16 almost 17 yrs old....got food stamps & state medical! maybe your friend only has that bc thats all she can afford! stop judging ppl...if you dont know what its like to have to go through that [which obviously you dont] i hated when i was using a EBT card and ppl like you would stare & make me feel like i was beneath them just bc i got EBT. would you rather your friend not have any help? then her kids and her would have no food, if they got sick they'd just be sick....Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to survive! & what the ppl buy on EBT is their business....if they wanna drink coffee why cant they? STOP BITCHIN ABOUT YOUR TAXES GOIN TO THESE PPL & START FEELING GOOD THAT YOUR HELPING PPL IN NEED!:censored

Thanks for voluntarily adding yourselves to my ignore list, some of you :five
Better now than to make friends and find out later! :lol

I agree, Kara! This thread has been one of those :freakout

I guess no one will ever see the other side unless they've been on it...and being "poor" is not the same as being impoverished. I have been homeless for many years, in group homes, and other fantastical living conditions, and I can say...if you have grandma there to buy the baby clothes, then NO, you didn't need it...

Not everyone HAS family.

:agree 100% Did I get to skip the ignore list this time? :rofl

:agree 100% Did I get to skip the ignore list this time? :rofl

:rofl You're on permanent immunity.

:agree yes...i totally agree....not nice at all. guess what- i have been on ebt before while i was working at the same time. there is a difference between being too proud. I mean i did not want to have to get them, but trust me i wouldnt let other people feelings affect whether my child had good food to eat that night or not. And just to let you know not everyone who gets them is lazy...they just simply can not afford what they need at the time.

that is so true. believe me when it comes for asking for help for anything, i sit there and debate with myself if i really should or shouldnt do it. then if i have to, yeah i feel kinda bad. but know what, as long as my kids are taken care of, im greatful for it. theres no way i'd make my kids go without because someone disagrees or doesnt want to see how it is on the other side. i never in my life thought i'd have to do this, and am trying my hardest so i dont have to be on it for too long. but if you need help, and you know theres nothing else you can do, then you have to accept that fact whether you like it or not. and believe me i am not a lazy person. right now im trying to get into school, and find a job(whether its one i like or not) so i can better myself and support my kids while im doing it.

Loretta, once again you are awesome! I hope I can manage to weave my lines just so that I can avoid perm. ignore too... :lol

:hugs

Did you even read the part in my original post about my opinion of military families on welfare?

why is it ok for military people to be on welfare but not someone working a crappy 8 dollar an hour job? That part really kind :puzz Second I think you really don't understand what it is like to be that poor yourself, being a child of it is a different experience then being the one trying to stretch your 5 dollars as far as possible.
For the record my friend was on food stamps and TANF. She went to school full time and had a job as well. She also has a disabled daughter. She would do whatever it took to make sure her daughter had all the necessary things and trust me the little amount of food stamp money didn't do much to ease the lack of funds coming her way. And yeah she would buy food with her EBT card and then go and buy some Nike's for her daughter with cash. but she also gave up a lot to get those shoes for her.

:rofl You're on permanent immunity.

:woot go me :dance

Loretta, once again you are awesome! I hope I can manage to weave my lines just so that I can avoid perm. ignore too... :lol

:hugs

The only thing in the entire world I can't stand is selfishness. It manifests itself in different ways, but if you truly stop and think...most of the people in the world doing horrible things, are in a basic sense just SELFISH.

Everyone else rocks, they just might not know they do. :goodvibes

:hugehug

why is it ok for military people to be on welfare but not someone working a crappy 8 dollar an hour job? That part really kind :puzz Second I think you really don't understand what it is like to be that poor yourself, being a child of it is a different experience then being the one trying to stretch your 5 dollars as far as possible.
For the record my friend was on food stamps and TANF. She went to school full time and had a job as well. She also has a disabled daughter. She would do whatever it took to make sure her daughter had all the necessary things and trust me the little amount of food stamp money didn't do much to ease the lack of funds coming her way. And yeah she would buy food with her EBT card and then go and buy some Nike's for her daughter with cash. but she also gave up a lot to get those shoes for her.

(not for you rosebud....just using your perfect statement :yes)
For the bolded part I just want to point out that pay and the area a person lives needs to be taken into consideration before you pass judgement or decide that you know what a person is up to.

Where we lived in TX the electricity was expensive, the grocery stores were expensive and there a was what I thought a pretty high sales tax.......imagine making $10 an hour an getting an electric bill for $500 that is NOT due to over usage.....now tell me that a person doesn't have a right to get aid for them and their family

wow...these "holier than thou" attitudes on here piss me off.

At least now I know who I DONT want to ever speak to. :sigh

judgmental people make me sick

As Loretta said, thank some of u for adding urselves to my ignore list.

please tell me how you even do the ignore thing.....

I might actually be adding my first group to ignore tonight lol

I just read this entire thread. Instead of trying to politely word my disgust for some of the things said, I'm going to use my dad's favorite philosophy.

"It's like Vietnam. If you haven't been there, shut the f*ck up."

:giggle

:hugehug To Loretta, and all my other "peeps" :teehee

See, I have an interesting perspective on that... because I was way selfish once upon a time... well... I dunno if I would say selfish really... but... I just was so absorbed in my own shitty situation that I didn't really give a rats ass about anything else, and I totally played the victim card..

But, I was also taught to do that for a big part of my life.

Now... I am in a situation, where, people think I have access to a whole lot, but I really don't... instead, I have to bend over backwards and work my ass off to do the things I want to do... while I watch my mother and her new husband spend money frivolously and only offer to help me if I want materialistic things rather than practical ones.

Even still.. as hard as it may be to make it, I am making it, without them for the most part... and I'd give someone the shirt off my back even if it was the last thing I had.

My step dad is a doctor for the $$ and, I like money...but, it's a nice thing to have, not a necessity. I want to be a doctor too... but when I do it... I'll have a rural practice with a sliding scale price list, and only accept state programs and tricare in terms of insurance.

If I happen to make $$$ I will be the one making anonymous donations to my town and all kinds of charities...

When I tell my mother and step father this... they laugh stunned in my face and say "well, you won't make much doing it like that"

But, my stepdad is a jerk who spends all of 3 minutes with most of his patients, and cares more about quotas.

I never want to be that way. I was blessed with a brain... but, I want to use it to help people and change the world... even if only my corner of it... not to be a pompus ass and look down on people because they are "dumber" than me, or I may have more than they do.

And I still have so much left to learn. I can't wait to travel to truly "poor" areas of the world. :yes

I just read this entire thread. Instead of trying to politely word my disgust for some of the things said, I'm going to use my dad's favorite philosophy.

"It's like Vietnam. If you haven't been there, shut the f*ck up."

:giggle

I agree.

That is why I chose not to elaborate....

"if u cant say anything nice, dont say anything at all"

and I DEFINITELY have nothing nice to say.

Because I would much prefer my tax money going to pay for FULL tuition for those of us that want to attend college, but can't afford to go full-time. I would be 100% happy if my taxes went toward programs that helped these people get jobs that helped them to buy groceries AND their fancy coffee drinks and cigarettes- all from their own paycheck. When I see this kind of crap, I realize that the only kind of welfare programs I would support, would be for people who want to do better, or who need medical care and cant get it, or for people who serve our country and need welfare cuz the govt doesn't pay well enough (although the solution for that one would be to raise the paychecks of E-1 and up a bit more)
I've worked plenty of different jobs- a lot of them with crappy pay- and so I see that EBT card as being money I never saw because it was taken out in taxes.
:dunno

So- what do them & their family eat while your paying their full tuition? your really :arg! they have food assistance so we wont have millions of starving people in America! you dont have a fuckin choice were your tax money goes okay...so stop bitchin! my mother has her degree...works in a dr. office and still cant afford ALOT! she lives on Housing Asst....I worked the whole time i got EBT...but it wasnt enough-- my paycheck went to my son being in daycare...leaving me with MAYBE 20 bucks....i swear ppl like you make me sick.....im glad i grew up rough...b/c i would never wanna judge ppl like that!

Personally, I think anyone ON it is abusing it and we need to get rid of it. I live alone on one income. I support myself. No one does it for me and I wouldn't have anyone support me...but the fact is, I don't NEED it because I make GOOD decisions in life. If that makes me elitist and a snob...so be it. I'm tired of paying taxes and having everyone ELSE get the rewards. Remember, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a socialist philosophy and I think we've all noticed that great experiment failed miserably. People need to acknowledge their own mistakes in life and take responsibility for their OWN lives.

(And don't tell me my parents gave me everything, because my parents were so poor when they were first married that her parents had to buy me clothes...and NO, they NEVER asked for the government to support him beyond his lt jg salary)

ok. now take your income, add in a couple of kids, dead beat fathers who wont pay their child support and tell me you dont want some help. you have one income for ONE person.

not one income for THREE people.
HUGE DIFFERENCE.

it is VERY possible to raise two children on one measly income with no government aid, i know this because my mother did it. but i also know that it was DAMN hard for her... and that she had a WONDERFUL family to help her. my grandma and my grandpa and my aunts and uncles gave me what she couldnt but WANTED to. sure we ate mac n cheese most nights because it was quick, cheap and easy but my brother and i had awesome toys from xmas and bdays and better meals every couple of nights when we went to grandmas or grandpas.

without the support of her family, there is NO WAY IN HELL she could have done it without SOME for of aide. you can NOT feed a child ramen noodles every single night.

my mom gave up almost everything while raising my brother and me. she worked her butt off to not only save a lot of money whenever she could, but to make sure she NEVER went into debt so her credit score would be good. this way, she wouldnt run into problems in the future.

i commend my mother for making it without aide... but i know she was often walking the line between getting it and not.



as for being mad over the guy buying coffee... it very well could have been a TREAT... he had a few extra dollars that week. hell, maybe he worked a side job and got some extra cash. dont sit there and assume the worst in everything... that is no way to live.

I just read this entire thread. Instead of trying to politely word my disgust for some of the things said, I'm going to use my dad's favorite philosophy.

"It's like Vietnam. If you haven't been there, shut the f*ck up."

:giggle

I like that!!!

And have we noticed that the ones who had so much to say have now left the thread? :rofl

And have we noticed that the ones who had so much to say have now left the thread? :rofl

Guess their views couldn't take the heat... :giggle

Guess their views couldn't take the heat... :giggle

:spank bad girl :teehee

Guess their views couldn't take the heat... :giggle

They're not as scrappy as us b%$#@*& who actually grew up poor, huh? :boxing

:rofl

They're not as scrappy as us b%$#@*& who actually grew up poor, huh? :boxing

:rofl

Definitely gives one balls growing up that way :yes
:lol

They're not as scrappy as us b%$#@*& who actually grew up poor, huh? :boxing

:rofl

Obviously not..they probably ditched us for a trip to the mall for new purse. :mwahaha I know that was mean. Damn it, I was really trying lol

They're not as scrappy as us b%$#@*& who actually grew up poor, huh? :boxing

:rofl

:roflmao

But then again, girrrlllll... you know... that's why we belong in the trailer park... and they... well... live somewhere in some hard to find smurf filled utopia... :lol

Smurfs! :spitdrink

Obviously not..they probably ditched us for a trip to the mall for new purse. :mwahaha I know that was mean. Damn it, I was really trying lol

:poopstir Kara... I knew the :innocent would not be able to maintain itself...

Seriously though, my step sister is like that... with less than 2 brain cells to boot... and it pisses me offfffffffff so freaking bad. :gaah

:poopstir Kara... I knew the :innocent would not be able to maintain itself...

Seriously though, my step sister is like that... with less than 2 brain cells to boot... and it pisses me offfffffffff so freaking bad. :gaah

I just couldn't help it! Ok I'm re-adjusting the halo now!

lol- i love you girls!
&& your right- growing up poor does give you balls! LOL that sounds soo funny n e way-
with that said- who the fuck did this girl think she was posting this thread in the 1st place...i mean really

Obviously not..they probably ditched us for a trip to the mall for new purse. :mwahaha I know that was mean. Damn it, I was really trying lol

:spank

Smurfs! :spitdrink

:lol maybe it's only smurfs part time, and the rest of the time H.R. Pufnstuff stops by with Jimmy who plays his magical flute to perpetuate the craziness?? :dunno

But, I really want to go there...

Maybe it's like Jonestown, and they will eventually all drink koolaid and die... :puzz

Oh... sorry... :innocent :hide

:spank

Oooh baby!! :teehee

hahaha... y'all amuse me

idk but i totally agree with everyone who has had/has it rough. i mean i used to have everything, and then got throwing into a rough spot. you have to go through it, to see what that lifes all about. im glad we arent all like those girls.

:spank

Don't encourage her... she likes it rough... :teehee

Don't encourage her... she likes it rough... :teehee

:rofl

idk but i totally agree with everyone who has had/has it rough. i mean i used to have everything, and then got throwing into a rough spot. you have to go through it, to see what that lifes all about. im glad we arent all like those girls.

You are so right hun......no matter how much you plan or do your best to be prepared, you can't always be prepared for a huge avalanche that life sometimes hurls at ya :yes

You are so right hun......no matter how much you plan or do your best to be prepared, you can't always be prepared for a huge avalanche that life sometimes hurls at ya :yes

Amen!!!!

Oooh baby!! :teehee

:suspect

:teehee

omg- all of yall girls crack me up.....now i have got to clean up the mess i made!

omg- all of yall girls crack me up.....now i have got to clean up the mess i made!


Are you telling us that you spit on your computer???? :lmao

You are very lucky to have someone to live your life with now and help you take care of your children. I don't know the circumstances of your life, so I don't really know how you came to have two children so early like that. I'm sure you love your kids very much and can't imagine life without them.. but it is really unfortunate that you had to go through so many tough times by having them so early.

I understand that it is possible that they scrimp and save so they can have their monthly coffees.. but I'm sorry, I really don't believe it. The cigarette stench coming off their clothes pisses me off too and I don't believe that people cant quit because I know SO MANY people who have quit. SO MANY! That is one expensive habit right there.
And its pretty bad when your four year old even reeks of it.
In an ideal world, everybody would be politically correct and no one would judge anyone.. unfortunately, we are all responsible for the choices we make and i'm trying to be somewhat fair to these people, but when they are using their welfare money in front of me, I can't help but have an opinion, especcially when I see welfare money as money coming out of the paychecks of those of us who WORK to buy our own groceries. that person is buying groceries with money that I EARNED. (or that someone else earned)
Because of that, I feel perfectly justified in having some kind of opinion about it.


Ok I didn't read anything after this. Sorry if I am going to sound like a straight up b****. Maybe I will just blame it on the pregnancy hormones :giggle. I came to have my kids early on in life because I chose my life to be that way. Also don't feel sorry for me at all or what you think are the "poor choices" I have made. It is not unfortunite at all that I had to go through any so called "tough times" in my life. I feel unfortunate for you that you live it what I call "fantisy land" and have never really been able to exsperence the great and wonderful joys that I have from not being a selfish, judgmental, self centered person. Ok that isn't all I have to say, but I will just leave it at that.

Ok I didn't read anything after this. Sorry if I am going to sound like a straight up b****. Maybe I will just blame it on the pregnancy hormones :giggle. I came to have my kids early on in life because I chose my life to be that way. Also don't feel sorry for me at all or what you think are the "poor choices" I have made. It is not unfortunite at all that I had to go through any so called "tough times" in my life. I feel unfortunate for you that you live it what I call "fantisy land" and have never really been able to exsperence the great and wonderful joys that I have from not being a selfish, judgmental, self centered person. Ok that isn't all I have to say, but I will just leave it at that.

:five I (L) You

I just want to give everyone who has had or is having a hard time a *hug*! This thread made me mad as well.

My dad worked 3 jobs when my oldest sister and brother were little. He hardly got to spend time w/ his children.

When I was little there were times where he had no money to buy food for himself. He would literally eat out of garbage cans when he was on lunch at work in order to make sure that his family was fed and clothed.

Your ideas are ignorant and rude. Who are you to stand there and judge anyone? Who died and made you God?

My mother is 63 yrs old. She is on oxygen 24/7. She is diabetic as well as many other medical conditions. She has $800 a month that she gets from Social Security. 3 of the about 10 medicines that she needs to live cost a total of $400. She is doing w/o one medicine that helps her a lot but isn't a life or death medicine because she can't afford it. She has 2 yrs until she can have any kind of medical help from the state.

And if we wanted to take your view on things we could all stand here and turn your judgement back around and say ignorant things to you like "well if you wanted to go to school full time you would find a way to do it. You would work 2 jobs and not whine and b**ch about it etc." See how ignorant that is?

It's just sad that you have come on a board and totally judged many wonderful women on here and will never get to know any of them by the looks of it because you have landed yourself on ignore on quite a few of their lists!

It's your loss though not theirs.

UGH i tried to stay out of this but I couldnt...

How could you be so judgemental? I dont understand, and correct me if im wrong, are you not the lady whose father supported her so she could sing?

People work hard and do what they have to do to get by...We went through a transition in this house and we still "treated" ourselves eventhough we were on a tight budget.

And as for what you sad about dannysgirl..I am almost sick to my stomach.

:five I (L) You

Thank you I (L) all of you guys!!!

UGH i tried to stay out of this but I couldnt...

How could you be so judgemental? I dont understand, and correct me if im wrong, are you not the lady whose father supported her so she could sing?


Yes, she is. Apparently because she has had someone to provide for her, she assumes that everyone is lucky enough to have such caring family.

then how is she so upset about tax money?

This thread makes me want to :vent:tsktsk:censored:screwy:rolleyes:banghead:biting:kungfu:madwife:temper:pissed:angry:mwahaha:fight:voodoo:backstab:hairpull:hissyfit:smackup:shoot:fueltofire:poking:yak:flamethrow:slap:heartbreaker:tantrum:catfight:paddle:cage:spank:shitfan:ziplip:poop:fryingpan:dramasign:sheep:wha:lame
That pretty much sums it up.

The only thing that bothers me is when the welfare system is abused. I do NOT want to pay for someone to sit on their ass all day instead of looking for a job. I know there have been plenty of people that use welfare get back on their feet, and I am so grateful that it's there for the people that actually make good use of it. But I've talked with people who are proud of being on welfare and have no plans to better their lives since they are basically receiving money for not doing anything, it's people like them that ruin it for the people who actually need it.

Personally, I think anyone ON it is abusing it and we need to get rid of it. I live alone on one income. I support myself. No one does it for me and I wouldn't have anyone support me...but the fact is, I don't NEED it because I make GOOD decisions in life. If that makes me elitist and a snob...so be it. I'm tired of paying taxes and having everyone ELSE get the rewards. Remember, "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" is a socialist philosophy and I think we've all noticed that great experiment failed miserably. People need to acknowledge their own mistakes in life and take responsibility for their OWN lives.

(And don't tell me my parents gave me everything, because my parents were so poor when they were first married that her parents had to buy me clothes...and NO, they NEVER asked for the government to support him beyond his lt jg salary)


THANK YOU!!!! Finally, someone who agrees.

OMG :sadeyes

:rofl Uggggg

If I call them all the names they deserve, would I get banned from the site? I mean...really?

If I call them all the names they deserve, would I get banned from the site? I mean...really?

Um... I... maybe Brandi and Becca would make an exception? :teehee I'd be right there with you...

If I call them all the names they deserve, would I get banned from the site? I mean...really?

No not banned but then people would think of you the way they do me :rofl

ok-- you really need to stop....i had my son at 16 almost 17 yrs old....got food stamps & state medical! maybe your friend only has that bc thats all she can afford! stop judging ppl...if you dont know what its like to have to go through that [which obviously you dont] i hated when i was using a EBT card and ppl like you would stare & make me feel like i was beneath them just bc i got EBT. would you rather your friend not have any help? then her kids and her would have no food, if they got sick they'd just be sick....Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to survive! & what the ppl buy on EBT is their business....if they wanna drink coffee why cant they? STOP BITCHIN ABOUT YOUR TAXES GOIN TO THESE PPL & START FEELING GOOD THAT YOUR HELPING PPL IN NEED!:censored

I'm sorry, but perhaps people should be responsible and stop having children they can not AFFORD?!

THANK YOU!!!! Finally, someone who agrees.

i just want to say that i agree - on some points - as well. i'm just staying the hell out of this thread because i don't feel like being lectured today.

THANK YOU!!!! Finally, someone who agrees.

Hey....just as long as it helps you sleep at nigth :rolleyes

Oh, Rosa! Not you?? I LIKE you!! :tears

I'm sorry, but perhaps people should be responsible and stop having children they can not AFFORD?!

Well I just wanted to say thank you. Since you started posting here I thought that you were quite snotty and ignorant. You have just proven my point X's 10000.

The only thing that bothers me is when the welfare system is abused. I do NOT want to pay for someone to sit on their ass all day instead of looking for a job. I know there have been plenty of people that use welfare get back on their feet, and I am so grateful that it's there for the people that actually make good use of it. But I've talked with people who are proud of being on welfare and have no plans to better their lives since they are basically receiving money for not doing anything, it's people like them that ruin it for the people who actually need it.

you are right, it is by NOT MEANS a perfect system.
but that still doesnt change the fact that you shouldnt ASSUME someone on it must be abusing it.
because, as you said, it has helped numerous people

Are you telling us that you spit on your computer???? :lmao

um...i missed it by like an inch! but it was all over the place. plus i am at my moms and she just got this computer like 2 weeks ago! I couldnt help it you girls always crack me up!

why is it ok for military people to be on welfare but not someone working a crappy 8 dollar an hour job? That part really kind :puzz Second I think you really don't understand what it is like to be that poor yourself, being a child of it is a different experience then being the one trying to stretch your 5 dollars as far as possible.
For the record my friend was on food stamps and TANF. She went to school full time and had a job as well. She also has a disabled daughter. She would do whatever it took to make sure her daughter had all the necessary things and trust me the little amount of food stamp money didn't do much to ease the lack of funds coming her way. And yeah she would buy food with her EBT card and then go and buy some Nike's for her daughter with cash. but she also gave up a lot to get those shoes for her.

Why do I think its ok for military families to have it? Well, because we are serving our country. Our husbands choose to sacrifice and live this life so others dont have to and welfare is a government prgram and if our government pays our servicepeople a salary that still qualifies for government assistance, then government assistance they should get.
I have said a lot in this post that I don't mind if people who are trying to go school get any kind of welfare,. It is very hard for me to imagine a harder position to be in than a single mother who has to work to provide for herself and her kids, but also wants to go to school. Thats a very difficult position to be in and I am all for providing more help for that sort of situation. Cuz that is a mother who WANTs to work to provide for her kids and can't get a better job because she has to work a low-paying job just to get by and has no time or money for school and childcare

I'm sorry, but perhaps people should be responsible and stop having children they can not AFFORD?!

did it ever occur to you that sometimes at one point those people might have had enough money to afford whatever they wanted. But then maybe they fell on hard times and the only way out was to be on welfare??
Currently me and my dh can make it on our current salary, god forbid anything happen we would probably have to find some other means to make ends meet. So what we shouldn't have had kids at all incase something happened when we couldn't afford to have them??
either way I am soo done with this thread and you. You seem very immature and not 100% able to see other sides of things.

Oh, Rosa! Not you?? I LIKE you!! :tears

:) sorry. i have a lot of opinions that i realize are VERY controversial and would definitely not be well received, so i just keep most of them to myself. it's easier on me and i don't alienate everybody. i don't want to piss off the whole board, sos is all i've got!:)

I'm sorry, but perhaps people should be responsible and stop having children they can not AFFORD?!

maybe some people should not worry about what other people are doing! if there wasnt ebt you would still have taxes taken out of your check.

I'm sorry, but perhaps people should be responsible and stop having children they can not AFFORD?!

I was concieved on Birth Control
My brother was conceived by what i suspect was rape because my mother was in a VERY bad abusive relationship (luckily she got out with none of us hurt TOO badly)

so dont sit there and try to tell everyone to just stop having kids.
it sure as HELL isnt that easy.
that and... things happen. you may have been able to afford the kid when you were pregnant.. but that doesnt mean something bad wont happen.

did it ever occur to you that sometimes at one point those people might have had enough money to afford whatever they wanted. But then maybe they fell on hard times and the only way out was to be on welfare??
Currently me and my dh can make it on our current salary, god forbid anything happen we would probably have to find some other means to make ends meet. So what we shouldn't have had kids at all incase something happened when we couldn't afford to have them??
either way I am soo done with this thread and you. You seem very immature and not 100% able to see other sides of things.

I was pregnant when hurricane Ivan decided he wanted to eat my house.

I'm totally sorry that doesn't meet your approval, diapason. Let me ask mother nature real nice if she'll take it back, or maybe give me a daddy to buy me things.

I'm sorry, but perhaps people should be responsible and stop having children they can not AFFORD?!

omg! u are .....a bunch of things I can not say....

sorry Brandi...

I hate to name call but :gaah

You are totally ridiculously ignorant. I cannot believe that you can sit there and judge other people that YOU DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT... and then you try to defend yourself? It's not gonna work. Just realize that you are a bigot and an elitist and be done with it. I can't believe that you are still even arguing. Don't you know you're making a fool of yourself?

omg! u are such an ignorant b*tch!

:agree This is one reason why I think that people should come installed with mute buttons :teehee

you are right, it is by NOT MEANS a perfect system.
but that still doesnt change the fact that you shouldnt ASSUME someone on it must be abusing it.
because, as you said, it has helped numerous people

It's quite obvious that there are people that abuse the system. There've been many articles and studies on it. I did not say that everyone does, only a small percentage of people that are on it do abuse it, but like they say, one bad apple spoils the rest.

Also, I do not assume that if someone is on it that they are abusing it, I only learned of one woman in particular because she flat out TOLD ME she was.

I was pregnant when hurricane Ivan decided he wanted to eat my house.

I'm totally sorry that doesn't meet your approval, diapason. Let me ask mother nature real nice if she'll take it back, or maybe give me a daddy to buy me things.

Everything seems to be so cut and dry with her. I wonder how she would feel if after she had the child that she COULD afford something totally unexpected happened and she NEEDED help.

Oh damn...another :arg Sorry, Brandi!
Just realized what I posted. :lol

No matter how may sugar coat things....you are still a very judgemental person who assumes to know everyones situation.

How do you know that these people in the store aren't going to school?? Did you ask?? How do you know that one or more persons in that family don't hold down a full time job?? Did you ask?? And how do you know that one or more persons is disabled on some sort of way?? Again...did you ask??.......The answer is no.....you just assumed :no

I was pregnant when hurricane Ivan decided he wanted to eat my house.

I'm totally sorry that doesn't meet your approval, diapason. Let me ask mother nature real nice if she'll take it back, or maybe give me a daddy to buy me things.

hey-while you are at it....get me someone to buy stuff for me too!:hystericlaugh

I'm sorry, but perhaps people should be responsible and stop having children they can not AFFORD?!

Right, because life is so perfect, and people don't mess up, and birth control works every time, and everyone who does mess up can just go get an abortion, or put the baby up... and abstinence only education works...

Puleeeeze

You can think that way all you want... but life does not often work that way...

What about the disabled people? They suck too huh?

The only thing that bothers me is when the welfare system is abused. I do NOT want to pay for someone to sit on their ass all day instead of looking for a job. I know there have been plenty of people that use welfare get back on their feet, and I am so grateful that it's there for the people that actually make good use of it. But I've talked with people who are proud of being on welfare and have no plans to better their lives since they are basically receiving money for not doing anything, it's people like them that ruin it for the people who actually need it.

Those are the people I was talking about but all of these women took it way too personally and hate me for my post now. Whatever. There are people who abuse it and thats a fact.:no

I'm sorry, but perhaps people should be responsible and stop having children they can not AFFORD?!

Let me just tell you when I got pregnant with my first son I might have been young, but his father and I made more then enough to so called "afford" a child. Then he died in a car accident. So you miss perfect tell me how you would handle something like that? You never know what is going to happen in life and I hope that one day you get a real awakining to see what life is really all about,

Everything seems to be so cut and dry with her. I wonder how she would feel if after she had the child that she COULD afford something totally unexpected happened and she NEEDED help.

Yes, thats what i was thinking. they should make one