I am behind the 8 ball on my response since it took a long time They were so long I decided to start another and I am sure I will be shunned after giving my opinion but I have big shoulders.

I do agree that the thread started about the welfare thing was a little over the top with the comments regarding nationality and race and even though I am not against "public assistance" I can relate to her frustrations. Let's face it ladies, we have all seen the "public assistance" program abused in one way or another and my frustrations come from being a health care provider and not a snotty bitch. I am just a bitch plain and simple.

Do you know how many people over the age of 65 that don't Part B health care or prescription coverage because they can't afford it to be taken out of their social security check? You just might be surprised at the answer. Or the amount of people over the age of 65 who have Medicare but can't afford a supplemental insurance to cover their deductible or 20% co-insurance. The same people who applied for a medical card and were denied because they draw $2.00 more than they are allowed in their social security checks or they own a small little bungalow not worth a crap but it is considered an asset.

These are the same people who have to choose between eating and medications. The same folks who end up having a toe or couple of toes amputated because they can't afford their diabetic medications or end up with fluid overload. So yes, when I see someone in front of me at the grocery store using their EBT card for steaks and top of the line food, with freshly painted nails, a Dooney handbag or gold jewerly out the ying yang, I get a little ticked too and if you are honest with yourself you would be too.

How about the single mothers who works hard to support her family and doesn't qualify for medical benefits for her children or food assistance because she makes too much money. For those of you who don't pay for health insurance, the cost for a mother with 2 children will run her around $257.00 per pay (if paid every 2 weeks) that is over $500.00 per month (this is what a single mother pays in my office for insurance) and that is if their employer contributes to some. So when someone comes into my office and plops down a medical card then upon leaving jumps into a nice BMW or Merzades, yes I get a little ticked.

Now lets visit the education issue. I also teach at a community college (a single parent here with 2 children so I need 2 jobs) and I have witnessed first hand how some will abuse that too. In my area we have what is called "The Job Market" where people who are on public assistance or unemployment for that matter are required to take some sort of class to develop their education further and try to get back into the work field. I can't count the numerous times I would have a student who didn't come to class, didn't do their assignments, was late all the time and sure enough it was the student who didn't pay for this class.

All the research in the world isn't going to change the fact that we need a better system when it comes to public assistance.

Sorry if this has offended any of you but my examples are fact driven and not just speculation from an outside source. So those of you who beat that poor girl up, think about your parents when they get older.

Just remember...and I am sorry if you stated this and I just missed it.....there are many health care providers who have abused this system that hurts the people who treat it right too

No, I don't really get ticked. They could get the nice stuff on clearance or it could be be gifts. I have a nice vehicle that we got for really cheap because my bil used to work for Ford. I got WIC. Older people, yes I feel sorry for them. They get screwed out of their pensions etc. But social security was never meant to be lived off of. It was too supplement so people wouldn't starve during the depression.

Walmart has a lot of meds for $4. There are grants, doctors can give samples. There are discount grocery stores. Family to help out. These are all ways my grandmother survives.

hmmm. i am too tired to form an opinion on this yet. but i will say i think this was a more well-worded side of the debate. or more thought out. or something. i am so tired, i'm just going to stop now.

i have alot of mixed feelings on these issues....untill my husband left we had alot of money, and lots of stuff like big tvs, and stereos....well i got to keep most of the stuff when he left...he walked out on me and 4 boys, for a woman with 5 kids...just decided he wasnt happy one day, then a week later, he packed up his stuff and took off...i lived off $1000 a month for a year, before i finally put my tail between my legs and went to the state for help...got tired of just feeding my kids potatoes for dinner...and toast for breakfast...now i have help, and i still have nice things...i have thought about selling these nice things, but why, when its really all we have left of our old life...i dont judge too often unless i really know the situation...i have nice clothes, and nice jewelry(sold some), and i am on public assistance....every situation is so totally different taht it is really hard to judge...my nails are done, and yep, if you were to look at me, you would think i was abusing the system...but im not..my mom gets me gift certificates at every holiday to keep my nails done so that i take the time to do somethign for myself...for so long i didnt take that time...do we eat good? oh heck yeah, we do now...i went for a year only eating what was left on my kids plates, so i could make sure they were fed well enough...

i dont have 2 jobs, at this point i dont even have 1...i dont get cash assistance, but i get help with food...i live off of my childsupport at this point because i have to...my oldest child is autistic and in this small town there is no daycare here that could take him after school...ive tried to get jobs that only give me daytime hours, but they dont like to do that...and every time one kid gets sick, the others do to, and by the time im done taking care of that, ive missed more then a week of work, and im fired anyway..its a frustrating situation im in, and i dont normally make it public...but i felt the need this time...i didnt chose to be where i am today, when i had babies i was with a husband, and doing well financially...the court system didnt seem to work for me, when he decided to follow his dick to greener pastures( or so he thought)...the life we had built together was gone in a instant, and there was nothing i could do...

so i would be the one at the market with the EBT card, and nice clothes and nails done...granted, ive not bought clothes in over 2 years, i wash them by hand so they stay looking nice, but i figure if i am being judged on that alone then so be it...what you said dosnt hurt my feelings at all, because i know my situation...but i have found myself judging also...its really just human nature...now, if someone was paying for me to go to school, omg, i would definately attend those classes...so those people are just being dumb...unless it has somethign to do with the family situation...we will never know why those people dont take advantage of what is handed to them...i just know i would...everyone has an opinion...i try not to form mine til i know the total situation...but before now, i use to...now i am in that situation, and i understand a little more...if i could change it i would, and sooner or later something will come up so that i can change my situation..everything in its own time...i keep telling my mom to not buy me the certificates to get my nails done, but she says if she dosnt do something for me and make me sit and be taken care of once ina while, no one will...if i could turn the certificates in for other things i would, but that would also hurt her feelings...she is honestly just trying to take care of her girl...

as far as how the older generation is being treated...i hate that..i do, and when i had money, i use to help an older neighbor of mine with her meds, and groceries...i hope things change for them, but i have a feeling it wont...so the younger generation is just gonna have to step up and take care of things when they can...i hope one day i can make a difference in this world...untill then, i will take care of my boys, and try to get by..

I am behind the 8 ball on my response since it took a long time They were so long I decided to start another and I am sure I will be shunned after giving my opinion but I have big shoulders.

I do agree that the thread started about the welfare thing was a little over the top with the comments regarding nationality and race and even though I am not against "public assistance" I can relate to her frustrations. Let's face it ladies, we have all seen the "public assistance" program abused in one way or another and my frustrations come from being a health care provider and not a snotty bitch. I am just a bitch plain and simple.

Do you know how many people over the age of 65 that don't Part B health care or prescription coverage because they can't afford it to be taken out of their social security check? You just might be surprised at the answer. Or the amount of people over the age of 65 who have Medicare but can't afford a supplemental insurance to cover their deductible or 20% co-insurance. The same people who applied for a medical card and were denied because they draw $2.00 more than they are allowed in their social security checks or they own a small little bungalow not worth a crap but it is considered an asset.

These are the same people who have to choose between eating and medications. The same folks who end up having a toe or couple of toes amputated because they can't afford their diabetic medications or end up with fluid overload. So yes, when I see someone in front of me at the grocery store using their EBT card for steaks and top of the line food, with freshly painted nails, a Dooney handbag or gold jewerly out the ying yang, I get a little ticked too and if you are honest with yourself you would be too.

How about the single mothers who works hard to support her family and doesn't qualify for medical benefits for her children or food assistance because she makes too much money. For those of you who don't pay for health insurance, the cost for a mother with 2 children will run her around $257.00 per pay (if paid every 2 weeks) that is over $500.00 per month (this is what a single mother pays in my office for insurance) and that is if their employer contributes to some. So when someone comes into my office and plops down a medical card then upon leaving jumps into a nice BMW or Merzades, yes I get a little ticked.

Now lets visit the education issue. I also teach at a community college (a single parent here with 2 children so I need 2 jobs) and I have witnessed first hand how some will abuse that too. In my area we have what is called "The Job Market" where people who are on public assistance or unemployment for that matter are required to take some sort of class to develop their education further and try to get back into the work field. I can't count the numerous times I would have a student who didn't come to class, didn't do their assignments, was late all the time and sure enough it was the student who didn't pay for this class.

All the research in the world isn't going to change the fact that we need a better system when it comes to public assistance.

Sorry if this has offended any of you but my examples are fact driven and not just speculation from an outside source. So those of you who beat that poor girl up, think about your parents when they get older.


the part in bold was me, with one child.

the part in bold was me, with one child.

Me too!

no someone buying top of the line food with an EBT card doesn't upset me even if they have fresh nails or dooney purse. maybe getting their nails done is a treat or a friend pays for it, maybe they have had that bag a long time or it's a really good fake. I am not about to make snap judgments about those people. My best friend was on food stamps, she wears nice clothes, got her nails done and all of that. What you don't know about her is, that she bargain shops going to Ross, good will and the like, her good clothes are a few years old she just takes good care of them. She too bought steak, fish and fresh veggies. what you don't know is that she is anemic and has to eat lots of red meat because the pills don't do enough for her. she would save her tips to get her nails done after she bought her daughter things she needed, and paid rent and her bills. There is more than meets the eye when it comes to someone standing at the store using an EBT card.

and my grandmother uses social security so I know what struggles she has. and mossey2000 is right it wasn't meant to be retirement but a supplement to your retirement.

Yes there are people who abuse the system, just like thier are health care providers who abuse the system just as much (my sister has a retarded client living with her who has been sent for 6 u/s in the past 2 months for no real reason and the girl is on Massachusetts Healthcare. Another Doc finally blew the whistle on the abuse of the system) Just because there are people who abuse the system that doens't mean it gives anyone the right to throw a blanket judgement over everyone who's on assistance, especially when you don't know them. Seeing someone buy a coffee is not enough reason to assume they are a piece of shit who is using the system.

I've been a single mom and when my ex husband first up and left I had to go on assistance for a short time. When it was christmas I bought a couple of steaks for my son and I, because I couldn't afford to make a nice dinner. There was a whole whopping 2 small gifts under the tree for him and I didn't even own a winter coat but I fed my son that steak on Christmas... I would go without eating sometimes so i could get my son a treat. I sure as hell was not abusing the system. I didn't think my son always had to suffer because his sperm donor up and took off with every dime we had. I recieved roughly $180/mo for food. I'm sure people you like judged me when they saw me buy those 2 small steaks... but they didn't know my situation and didn't have the right to.

To make a snap judgement on someone based on 1 action like buying a coffee or buying decent food with thier EBT card is really sad.

You're not a bitch for thinking that the welfare system needs to be revised. You made your points in a calm and rational manner and I do agree with a lot of what you have said.

So yes, when I see someone in front of me at the grocery store using their EBT card for steaks and top of the line food, with freshly painted nails, a Dooney handbag or gold jewerly out the ying yang, I get a little ticked too and if you are honest with yourself you would be too.

I'm sure a lot of posters would be :irked at that sight. In the other thread, the poster described her situation in a manner that was very prejudiced and generalist - that was why she generated so many remarks. I don't think it had much at all to do with her views on people who do abuse the welfare system.

You're not a bitch for thinking that the welfare system needs to be revised. You made your points in a calm and rational manner and I do agree with a lot of what you have said.



I'm sure a lot of posters would be :irked at that sight. In the other thread, the poster described her situation in a manner that was very prejudiced and generalist - that was why she generated so many remarks. I don't think it had much at all to do with her views on people who do abuse the welfare system.
:agree your points are well made and thought out.

although I do think this should be in debates not so much venting.

My thoughts on it right now are judge not lest ye be judged...

I worked in the Medi-Cal system for years, and I at one point had quite an opposing view point to people as you have described. I have since come to the realization that I have no right to judge anyone. Who am I to say that people who are on welfare, food stamps, WIC, etc aren't entitled to have nice things. Don't they deserve to have some things that perhaps make themselves feel good? Yes, if people are on a limited income and are in need of government assistance shouldn't be out spending what money they do have on lavish things. But, they, just as we, should be able to have something "nice", whether it be having their nails done, or a D&B purse, or getting a latte at Starbucks.

Ofcourse I do not approve of people who abuse the system, but if you are just looking at a complete stranger who is using their EBT card to buy stuff or whatever, you do not know their situation, so how can you judge them? I know that I don't want someone to judge me just based on how I am paying for my groceries, or from what I am wearing.

I also wanted to say that I do agree with some of the points you made too.

there were definately some really good points made...i agree with that...

My thoughts on it right now are judge not lest ye be judged...

I worked in the Medi-Cal system for years, and I at one point had quite an opposing view point to people as you have described. I have since come to the realization that I have no right to judge anyone. Who am I to say that people who are on welfare, food stamps, WIC, etc aren't entitled to have nice things. Don't they deserve to have some things that perhaps make themselves feel good? Yes, if people are on a limited income and are in need of government assistance shouldn't be out spending what money they do have on lavish things. But, they, just as we, should be able to have something "nice", whether it be having their nails done, or a D&B purse, or getting a latte at Starbucks.

Ofcourse I do not approve of people who abuse the system, but if you are just looking at a complete stranger who is using their EBT card to buy stuff or whatever, you do not know their situation, so how can you judge them? I know that I don't want someone to judge me just based on how I am paying for my groceries, or from what I am wearing.

I also wanted to say that I do agree with some of the points you made too.

I agree with this. I want to add that it has been scientifically proven that a small treat every so often (be it a cup of coffee or getting your nails done) can stave off reactive depression. So, one could argue that they're preventing excess medical costs :P

I agree with this. I want to add that it has been scientifically proven that a small treat every so often (be it a cup of coffee or getting your nails done) can stave off reactive depression. So, one could argue that they're preventing excess medical costs :P

:lol Good point Sonia :teehee

You're not a bitch for thinking that the welfare system needs to be revised. You made your points in a calm and rational manner and I do agree with a lot of what you have said.

I'm sure a lot of posters would be :irked at that sight. In the other thread, the poster described her situation in a manner that was very prejudiced and generalist - that was why she generated so many remarks. I don't think it had much at all to do with her views on people who do abuse the welfare system.

:agree

I was just going to post thanking you for presenting your views in a thoughtful, calm manner. As someone who has seen both sides of the fence... been on it, helped people deal with it, and been in the midst of the medical field aspects of it... (and also having an interest in the policy standpoint of things)

I wholeheartedly agree with you that there need to be changes. BUT, the political culture, and even the social climate right now make that almost impossible.

It's true in any situation, in any westernized country... once a government gives "entitlements" of any sort it is very difficult to take them away, or change them without getting people in an uproar. Add in lobbyists/unions/ special interest groups like the ACLU and the biggest contender AARP, and you suddenly have an almost insurmountable stumbling block (almost)

People also forget that Social Security was meant to be a supplement... and quite a few (though this is starting to change) scoff at the very idea.

There needs to be a broader scope of education about the programs that are available, and an overhaul on the requirements to get such benefits. (As I mentioned in a previous post, the way they calculate assets and their income limits, makes it almost impossible to be working for a "livable" wage AND getting benefits... but in the early stages, if the benefits are cut off (like they generally are) and not phased out or whatever... then the person is stuck.

There needs to be more unity at a federal level than their is now, for example with medical care so that they pay better, and on time... so that more, (higher quality) doctors will accept the insurances... so that there is not so much disperaity in care... and several other things done to increase overall accountability on both sides such that the "right hand knows what the left is dowing" and patients and doctors neither get shorted, nor have the will/desire to cheat the system.

Right now, there are only a few strict components, (required) and then recommended standards that each state can decide to implement or not. End result... states like AZ have complicated but pretty comprehensive health programs with a good amount of providers (if you know how they work and how to use it) Whereas states like FL (with a high % of elderly) has a system that is not that great, and which is essentially like repeatedly banging one's head against the wall to get services... much less high quality services. (I know, I live in FL, and my sister lives in AZ)

And, keep in mind as well BOTH of these states mentioned above are "red states" so the state of welfare, and what it provides is not always a "red vs. blue" state/party matter.

There is so much more I can say on this matter... but I will leave it there for the time being. Except to say that... everyone's life situation is different... and I personally can't stand it when people judge me on the bases of outward appearance alone... because they don't often correlate to what's going on inside, which really matters. So... I don't judge anyone.... and I always do my best to help out anyone who needs it. :yes

Thanks again though, because this is what I was looking forward to getting into before... it's all so very interesting. :yes

I agree with this. I want to add that it has been scientifically proven that a small treat every so often (be it a cup of coffee or getting your nails done) can stave off reactive depression. So, one could argue that they're preventing excess medical costs :P

:tu So true Sonia! I mean, who doesn't feel good when they treat themselves to something nice...I know I do!

OF COURSE the welfare system needs re-vamping, I don't think anyone disagrees with that, but it still comes down to judging others when it is really none of your business. Nails done or not, fancy purse or not, these people do not deserve to be judged by you or me or anyone (except possibly their social worker)!

You're not a bitch for thinking that the welfare system needs to be revised. You made your points in a calm and rational manner and I do agree with a lot of what you have said.

I'm sure a lot of posters would be :irked at that sight. In the other thread, the poster described her situation in a manner that was very prejudiced and generalist - that was why she generated so many remarks. I don't think it had much at all to do with her views on people who do abuse the welfare system.

:truesign

I will admit that my daughters were on WIC out in Virginia, because with our rent and our car payment and every other dang thing that would happen (and we weren't reimbursed for moving out there), we were having a hard time making ends meet...especially when formula is over $150 a month.

But, I felt absolutely horrible because I would be the girl with her WIC checks at the store...but I have a Coach purse, drive a REALLY nice car, etc..my nails were never done, but my girls wore baby GAP and stuff like that...not always Walmart/goodwill clothes. I knew how it looks, so I was always embarassed to go in and use my checks...because I knew how judgemental some people could be.

They were on WIC because we needed it to help supplement our income juuuust enough to be able to do those things for our kids. My husband bought me a Coach purse for mother's day because it had been a rough year...I hadn't even bought new UNDERWEAR for myself because we were saving to have the second baby. So, he found a great Coach outlet and bought me my new purse.

Just because a person has fine things and drives a nice car doesn't mean they're abusing the system. Maybe they have relatives who bought it for them. Maybe they were given gift certificates for a manicure (in my case). Or maybe they saved juuust enough money to be able to do it.

We really cannot judge people until we have walked in their shoes.

why is it that most people expect that if someone needs and uses public assistance of some sort...that they have to LOOK like shit....like they shop at goodwill? Like saying if they truly needed it, then they would be digging their clothes out of the damn dumpster? Seriously, how much do we want our fellow Americans to suffer before we ALLOW them help without judgment?

I mean, I have been thru my poor stage. It was me and my oldest daughter. Her REAL father...bolted....years ago. Did we have food stamps? yes. Did I have cash assistance? yes. Did I work? yes. I was ALSO in school. Did either one of us look like we just stepped out of the homeless shelter? fuck no! But I tell u what...it embarrassed me to all shit to use EBT at the damn store even though *I* knew I NEEDED it because I KNEW that people were staring, making their judgments....sticking their nose in MY privacy of what I pulled out of MY purse for payment.

My mom always told me...."just because ur broke..doesnt mean u have to LOOK like ur broke" Ya know what? Its true.

Personally I think we need to keep our noses out of what payment cards are in someone else's hand. Invading privacy. Jeez, u might as well walk over to them and stick ur head down in their purse or wallet. Just because they look nice, doesnt mean they arent EMBARRASSED that they have to use public assistance, and people are staring at them passing judgment on them, saying they dont need what they have because they look nice.:no

why is it that most people expect that if someone needs and uses public assistance of some sort...that they have to LOOK like shit....like they shop at goodwill? Like saying if they truly needed it, then they would be digging their clothes out of the damn dumpster? Seriously, how much do we want our fellow Americans to suffer before we ALLOW them help without judgment?

I mean, I have been thru my poor stage. It was me and my oldest daughter. Her REAL father...bolted....years ago. Did we have food stamps? yes. Did I have cash assistance? yes. Did I work? yes. I was ALSO in school. Did either one of us look like we just stepped out of the homeless shelter? fuck no! But I tell u what...it embarrassed me to all shit to use EBT at the damn store even though *I* knew I NEEDED it because I KNEW that people were staring, making their judgments....sticking their nose in MY privacy of what I pulled out of MY purse for payment.

My mom always told me...."just because ur broke..doesnt mean u have to LOOK like ur broke" Ya know what? Its true.

Personally I think we need to keep our noses out of what payment cards are in someone else's hand. Just because they look nice, doesnt mean they arent EMBARRASSED that they have to use public assistance, and there people are, staring at them passing judgment on them because they look nice.:no


EXACTLY!!!!! :hail

why is it that most people expect that if someone needs and uses public assistance of some sort...that they have to LOOK like shit....like they shop at goodwill? Like saying if they truly needed it, then they would be digging their clothes out of the damn dumpster? Seriously, how much do we want our fellow Americans to suffer before we ALLOW them help without judgment?

I mean, I have been thru my poor stage. It was me and my oldest daughter. Her REAL father...bolted....years ago. Did we have food stamps? yes. Did I have cash assistance? yes. Did I work? yes. I was ALSO in school. Did either one of us look like we just stepped out of the homeless shelter? fuck no! But I tell u what...it embarrassed me to all shit to use EBT at the damn store even though *I* knew I NEEDED it because I KNEW that people were staring, making their judgments....sticking their nose in MY privacy of what I pulled out of MY purse for payment.

My mom always told me...."just because ur broke..doesnt mean u have to LOOK like ur broke" Ya know what? Its true.

Personally I think we need to keep our noses out of what payment cards are in someone else's hand. Just because they look nice, doesnt mean they arent EMBARRASSED that they have to use public assistance, and there people are, staring at them passing judgment on them because they look nice.:no


Thank you. The first sentence has me :five you

EXACTLY!!!!! :hail

X2 :D

why is it that most people expect that if someone needs and uses public assistance of some sort...that they have to LOOK like shit....like they shop at goodwill? Like saying if they truly needed it, then they would be digging their clothes out of the damn dumpster? Seriously, how much do we want our fellow Americans to suffer before we ALLOW them help without judgment?

I mean, I have been thru my poor stage. It was me and my oldest daughter. Her REAL father...bolted....years ago. Did we have food stamps? yes. Did I have cash assistance? yes. Did I work? yes. I was ALSO in school. Did either one of us look like we just stepped out of the homeless shelter? fuck no! But I tell u what...it embarrassed me to all shit to use EBT at the damn store even though *I* knew I NEEDED it because I KNEW that people were staring, making their judgments....sticking their nose in MY privacy of what I pulled out of MY purse for payment.

My mom always told me...."just because ur broke..doesnt mean u have to LOOK like ur broke" Ya know what? Its true.

Personally I think we need to keep our noses out of what payment cards are in someone else's hand. Invading privacy. Jeez, u might as well walk over to them and stick ur head down in their purse or wallet. Just because they look nice, doesnt mean they arent EMBARRASSED that they have to use public assistance, and people are staring at them passing judgment on them, saying they dont need what they have because they look nice.:no
exactly

why is it that most people expect that if someone needs and uses public assistance of some sort...that they have to LOOK like shit....like they shop at goodwill? Like saying if they truly needed it, then they would be digging their clothes out of the damn dumpster? Seriously, how much do we want our fellow Americans to suffer before we ALLOW them help without judgment?

I mean, I have been thru my poor stage. It was me and my oldest daughter. Her REAL father...bolted....years ago. Did we have food stamps? yes. Did I have cash assistance? yes. Did I work? yes. I was ALSO in school. Did either one of us look like we just stepped out of the homeless shelter? fuck no! But I tell u what...it embarrassed me to all shit to use EBT at the damn store even though *I* knew I NEEDED it because I KNEW that people were staring, making their judgments....sticking their nose in MY privacy of what I pulled out of MY purse for payment.

My mom always told me...."just because ur broke..doesnt mean u have to LOOK like ur broke" Ya know what? Its true.


Personally I think we need to keep our noses out of what payment cards are in someone else's hand. Invading privacy. Jeez, u might as well walk over to them and stick ur head down in their purse or wallet. Just because they look nice, doesnt mean they arent EMBARRASSED that they have to use public assistance, and people are staring at them passing judgment on them, saying they dont need what they have because they look nice.:no


I agree


I was always mortified when I had to pull out my EBT card. It was even more embarassing when I was there shopping and had to pull out my EBT card while my MIT professor b/f was standing there :eek He wasn't hurting for money, he was a well educated man with a good job but I refused to let him take care of me since we were only dating, so I needed the help. He did buy me a few nice gifts though :lol The nice bath towels we all use to this day he bought me too.. :teehee

My base line opinion on this is what a lot of these other girls are saying. The system needs to be revamped. That is all well and good, but judging people because they take care of themselves does not accomplish anything.

When dh and I got married we had 2 rather new Ford Mustangs, a nice apartment, we had nice clothes and more. We were both working and thought we were going the right way.

Unfortanetly (sp?) I developed some very serious medical problems and ended up being in and out of the hospital. Even though I had health insurance we did not have enough to pay the 20+ grand that it did not cover. We were really blessed that my mom gave us food lion gift cards and gave us nice gifts at Christmas.

We did end up doing voluntary repo on the cars because my health was more important and we still are struggling to pay off all of those medical bills. My husband joined the navy so that we could have a fresh start but we would be on food stamps if it were not for my family. We would not have a car, we would not have what we have now if it were not for them.

My parents gave me my car for my 21st b-day we live in military housing, and my family still helps us out every once in a while. This allows us to do nice things every once in a while.

When a person looks at me they do not know that sometimes in order for me to have that special gift to give my dh that I went without eating for 2 days.Or that it was our anaversery (sp?) so I was buying "spoil" me food. No one knows what goes on behind closed doors in my house, so what right do they have to judge me?

I do understand what you are saying and you worded it nicely, sadly there is always going to be those people who are going to abuse the system. Just like there are rich that are going to exploit the poor. It is sad but it is something that is going to continue to happen and the most that a person can do is make sure that they are not the one that is abusing the system, it is not their place to judge anyone else.

I also wonder why what kind of food people buy always comes into play. Because you receive assistance you should only buy ramen noodles, mac and cheese and the like? Are you not allowed to buy fruits and veggies or a steak? what only the cheapest food available no matter the nutritional damage you are doing to yourself and children?

I also wonder why what kind of food people buy always comes into play. Because you receive assistance you should only buy ramen noodles, mac and cheese and the like? Are you not allowed to buy fruits and veggies or a steak? what only the cheapest food available no matter the nutritional damage you are doing to yourself and children?

I know for me.. when I recieved food stamps I HAD to buy the crappy food because I got such little money I would not have been able to feed Alex and I for the month if I had bought better food. I think that's why there's that assumption. People are used to seeing people on food stamps buying cheap food to make it.

ETA: I would buy some healthier food for Alex but I literally had days I didn't eat so i could do that for him.

To make a snap judgement on someone based on 1 action like buying a coffee or buying decent food with thier EBT card is really sad.


:agree thats what i was thinking. You can not judge someone on one experience when you dont even know them. Its true that the system soes get abused, but how do you know they were?

why is it that most people expect that if someone needs and uses public assistance of some sort...that they have to LOOK like shit....like they shop at goodwill? Like saying if they truly needed it, then they would be digging their clothes out of the damn dumpster?

But I tell u what...it embarrassed me to all shit to use EBT at the damn store even though *I* knew I NEEDED it because I KNEW that people were staring, making their judgments....sticking their nose in MY privacy of what I pulled out of MY purse for payment.

Yes, I agree that if you are on public assistance that you don't have to look like shit. And for the record I have a good job and I still shop at the goodwill for things I wouldn't spend a lot of hard earned money on and frequent yard sales. My oldest son works part time at a local Pep Boys changing oil and we go to good will to get his jeans. Shopping at goodwill doesn't make you poor or beneath anyone.

But as you said, you were embarrassed about having to use it as I would be too. And it is quite possible that I have a misconception with regards to how people dress when on public assistance.

But on the flip side there have been times when I just get the feeling it really doesn't bother some and that they feel they are entitled to it. Public assistance shouldn't be looked at as a right, but as a previlage.

I know for me.. when I recieved food stamps I HAD to buy the crappy food because I got such little money I would not have been able to feed Alex and I for the month if I had bought better food. I think that's why there's that assumption. People are used to seeing people on food stamps buying cheap food to make it.

ETA: I would buy some healthier food for Alex but I literally had days I didn't eat so i could do that for him.

Same here. We were only on foodstamps for about six months, and it was the end of my pregnancy/we were homeless. They gave us $79/ month, both of us were working.

Of course I always had nice clothes on, because I have always made a lot of my own things/got a lot from work. Of course I had my nails done always, because hair dye, manicures, and facials are tax deductible for me as my job is modeling, and necessary if I ever expect to GET more work. Contrary to popular belief, those magazine covers(Vogue and Elle, for example pay an editorial fee of $35)don't pay that well...so imagine what us catalog/runway girls are making. Even though maternity was some of the best $ I have made modeling, it was less than most people would make working at McDonald's.

Just another side of the same coin.

I'm not gonna bother... :lmao

I'm not gonna bother... :lmao

This one is civil, for REALZ. :giggle

This one is civil, for REALZ. :giggle

:yes I am actually quite proud of us... you know... not being all provokable and scrappy today :giggle

This one is civil, for REALZ. :giggle

You can't argue with someone whose opinion is based on things like thinking that someone with their nails done shouldn't get food stamps. :lmao Nothing I say is going to matter, so it's not worth all the typing. So, I'm not gonna bother!

Yes, I agree that if you are on public assistance that you don't have to look like shit. And for the record I have a good job and I still shop at the goodwill for things I wouldn't spend a lot of hard earned money on and frequent yard sales. My oldest son works part time at a local Pep Boys changing oil and we go to good will to get his jeans. Shopping at goodwill doesn't make you poor or beneath anyone.

But as you said, you were embarrassed about having to use it as I would be too. And it is quite possible that I have a misconception with regards to how people dress when on public assistance.

But on the flip side there have been times when I just get the feeling it really doesn't bother some and that they feel they are entitled to it. Public assistance shouldn't be looked at as a right, but as a previlage.

You said it right there. You "get the feeling". That would mean its OPINION and not FACT correct? So, basically, if someone is using public assistance, they should be cowing down to show everyone that they are embarrassed? So no one gets the "feeling" that they are "entitled" to it? To justify ur usage of public assistance to those people that are judging u without knowing u OR ur situation?

ETA: I'm sorry but I never would have and dont expect people now to beg me and my good graces to allow them relief. a privilege? :rolleyes Its America honey....we have suffering people? YES, they are ENTITLED to HELP. Bottom line.

You said it right there. You "get the feeling". That would mean its OPINION and not FACT correct? So, basically, if someone is using public assistance, they should be cowing down to show everyone that they are embarrassed? So no one gets the "feeling" that they are "entitled" to it? To justify ur usage of public assistance to those people that are judging u without knowing u OR ur situation?

ETA: I'm sorry but I never would have and dont expect people now to beg me and my good graces to allow them relief. a privilege? :rolleyes Its America honey....we have suffering people? YES, they are ENTITLED to HELP. Bottom line.


I agree with that. I don't think it's a privilage to be so poor that I need government assistance.

I agree with that. I don't think it's a privilage to be so poor that I need government assistance.

:hail

I agree with that. I don't think it's a privilage to be so poor that I need government assistance.

Totally agree. :D You worded that perfectly.

I know for me.. when I recieved food stamps I HAD to buy the crappy food because I got such little money I would not have been able to feed Alex and I for the month if I had bought better food. I think that's why there's that assumption. People are used to seeing people on food stamps buying cheap food to make it.

ETA: I would buy some healthier food for Alex but I literally had days I didn't eat so i could do that for him.

That is my biggest gripe w/food stamps. I really wish there was a way to regulate what is bought. 400 dollars a month (just an example) is going to buy a lot of junk but the reality is it won't go as far if someone wants to buy healthy foods.

I could care less if someone is on assistance but it does bother me when I personally know them and know that they still have a gym membership, still smoke, drink, and party like their rock stars all the while lying through their teeth just to get that couple hundred dollars of free food. That's what drives me a little batty. IMO those who really need it and really use it what it's meant for don't abuse it. It's those who have known no difference that tend to ride the system so to speak.

...........That is my biggest gripe w/food stamps. I really wish there was a way to regulate what is bought. 400 dollars a month (just an example) is going to buy a lot of junk but the reality is it won't go as far if someone wants to buy healthy foods.

oh ok...so not only do people on assistance need to thank everyone for their "privilege"....we also get to tell them what they will and will not eat?

wow, so much for American Freedom.

smoke, drink, and party like their rock stars all the while lying through their teeth just to get that couple hundred dollars of free food.

Do you realize that EBT does NOT allow you to buy cigarettes, alcohol, diapers, cat/dog food, HOT FOOD or anything other than cold, packaged food??? Why are you bothered if people who need to use EBT, do? Regardless of their appearance, it shouldn't matter because none of us know what their lives are like OR what they have been through. Getting and using public assistance can be VERY demoralizing. If people need to keep up their nails or (GOD FORBID) buy themselves a coffee for gods sake, LET THEM, and TRY NOT TO JUDGE.

:angry:vent:blabla:bringit

You're not a bitch for thinking that the welfare system needs to be revised. You made your points in a calm and rational manner and I do agree with a lot of what you have said.



I'm sure a lot of posters would be :irked at that sight. In the other thread, the poster described her situation in a manner that was very prejudiced and generalist - that was why she generated so many remarks. I don't think it had much at all to do with her views on people who do abuse the welfare system.


I completely agree.

oh ok...so not only do people on assistance need to thank everyone for their "privilege"....we also get to tell them what they will and will not eat?

wow, so much for American Freedom.


You LOVE this thread don't you :duh I never said "they" needed thank a soul for their "privilage" :handup The other issue you twisted is I didn't mean people shouldn't get whatever they want but clearly if you need the assistance you need to be able to use that to the fullest and to fuel your body with healthy, nutritious foods not just cheap crap. I think it's sad that most on assistance can't afford to buy good grade meats, sea foods, and organic foods.

Do you realize that EBT does NOT allow you to buy cigarettes, alcohol, diapers, cat/dog food, HOT FOOD or anything other than cold, packaged food??? Why are you bothered if people who need to use EBT, do? Regardless of their appearance, it shouldn't matter because none of us know what their lives are like OR what they have been through. Getting and using public assistance can be VERY demoralizing. If people need to keep up their nails or (GOD FORBID) buy themselves a coffee for gods sake, LET THEM, and TRY NOT TO JUDGE.

:angry:vent:blabla:bringit

I know damn well EBT doesn't pay for anything other than food. Please go find where I said anything about what you just posted. :handup:reallymad:vent

You LOVE this thread don't you :duh I never said "they" needed thank a soul for their "privilage" :handup The other issue you twisted is I didn't mean people shouldn't get whatever they want but clearly if you need the assistance you need to be able to use that to the fullest and to fuel your body with healthy, nutritious foods not just cheap crap. I think it's sad that most on assistance can't afford to buy good grade meats, sea foods, and organic foods.

"LOVE" this thread? no. But I will say that it is an issue I am very passionate about. I have BTDT and it wasnt any fun, and to listen to people who have never had to deal with it pass judgment on people just has a tendency to fuel my fire. :sigh

1. I didnt say u said that did I? But if u read the rest of the thread...u will see that SOMEONE actually did.

2. I agree. They SHOULD be able to afford GOOD food. But I dont think that what they purchase should be regulated or limited. Apparently I misunderstood what u were saying...not "TWISTING" it.

tell me where you read I said that

Um, I quoted it where you read my response.

Um, I quoted it where you read my response.

Sorry but I never said they bought their booze, or smokes, w/their card. You'll have to pin that on someone who won't check themselves.

Krisha-

Not to umm....get u all riled up...but...

maybe u could try wording things a little better because ur obviousy getting "misunderstood" a lot. Just my opinion :shrug

"LOVE" this thread? no. But I will say that it is an issue I am very passionate about. I have BTDT and it wasnt any fun, and to listen to people who have never had to deal with it pass judgment on people just has a tendency to fuel my fire. :sigh

1. I didnt say u said that did I? But if u read the rest of the thread...u will see that SOMEONE actually did.

2. I agree. They SHOULD be able to afford GOOD food. But I dont think that what they purchase should be regulated or limited. Apparently I misunderstood what u were saying...not "TWISTING" it.


But how do you know who on here has BTDT? You're passing "judgment" on me just because of my response. I could careless what anyone does with their assistance as long as they are using it to care for the issue that got them the assistance in the first place ie. TEMP housing, TEMP food , TEMP medical. I'm passionate about this also but my passion doesn't come in the form of defending those who abuse the system, my passion is trying to help those who USE the system to overcome the situation that put them where they are/were.

Krisha-

Not to umm....get u all riled up...but...

maybe u could try wording things a little better because ur obviousy getting "misunderstood" a lot. Just my opinion :shrug

I can't reword what I never typed. Maybe just maybe some people should read what's written and not put their own spin on a simple post. :dunno

Sorry but I never said they bought their booze, or smokes, w/their card. You'll have to pin that on someone who won't check themselves.

I didn't say you did, I was trying to point out that there are a lot of things that are not covered by EBT... did you read the part about diapers, cat/dog food, oh and toliet paper, toothpaste, etc... And, did you read the part about using public assistance being DEMORALIZING and the part about NOT JUDGING OTHERS?? Or did you choose to ignore that part to argue over petty details?

But how do you know who on here has BTDT? You're passing "judgment" on me just because of my response. I could careless what anyone does with their assistance as long as they are using it to care for the issue that got them the assistance in the first place ie. TEMP housing, TEMP food , TEMP medical. I'm passionate about this also but my passion doesn't come in the form of defending those who abuse the system, my passion is trying to help those who USE the system to overcome the situation that put them where they are/were.

umm...:suspect

where have I or anyone else in this thread defending "abuse" of the system?

or where u even implying that anyone here was? I'm unclear on that.

ETA: btw...I'm not passing judgment on u. I never said anything about u one way or the other...I do believe that is YOUR OWN "spin" :dunno

]But how do you know who on here has BTDT?[/B] You're passing "judgment" on me just because of my response. I could careless what anyone does with their assistance as long as they are using it to care for the issue that got them the assistance in the first place ie. TEMP housing, TEMP food , TEMP medical. I'm passionate about this also but my passion doesn't come in the form of defending those who abuse the system, my passion is trying to help those who USE the system to overcome the situation that put them where they are/were.

She probably knows because we've been discussing it for the past two or so days here on the board.

I didn't say you did, I was trying to point out that there are a lot of things that are not covered by EBT... did you read the part about diapers, cat/dog food, oh and toliet paper, toothpaste, etc... And, did you read the part about using public assistance being DEMORALIZING and the part about NOT JUDGING OTHERS?? Or did you choose to ignore that part to argue over petty details?

Dude I'm not agruing over petty shit but I'll be damned if you mis quote me or claim I said something I didn't. To go round and round with you, I never mentioned diapers, cat food, t.p., tooth paste YOU DID. I mearly said the one person in particular that I know lives like a rock star on a government budget and lies to keep what little benifits she gets. :dunno

Do you realize that EBT does NOT allow you to buy cigarettes, alcohol, diapers, cat/dog food, HOT FOOD or anything other than cold, packaged food??? Why are you bothered if people who need to use EBT, do? Regardless of their appearance, it shouldn't matter because none of us know what their lives are like OR what they have been through. Getting and using public assistance can be VERY demoralizing. If people need to keep up their nails or (GOD FORBID) buy themselves a coffee for gods sake, LET THEM, and TRY NOT TO JUDGE.

:angry:vent:blabla:bringit

You are correct that it does not allow you to buy all the things listed above, however, it allows you to walk into the seafood market and get crabs, shrimp, clams, softcrabs, etc. something that I must don't get the luxuray of having even monthly.

You are correct that it does not allow you to buy all the things listed above, however, it allows you to walk into the seafood market and get crabs, shrimp, clams, softcrabs, etc. something that I must don't get the luxuray of having even monthly.

so what? ur jealous? :shrug

You are correct that it does not allow you to buy all the things listed above, however, it allows you to walk into the seafood market and get crabs, shrimp, clams, softcrabs, etc. something that I must don't get the luxuray of having even monthly.


And if families buy these things, how far do you think they'll get feeding their children for the WHOLE month? You have got to be kidding me!

She probably knows because we've been discussing it for the past two or so days here on the board.

I'm pretty sure many who have BTDT have chosen to stay clear of this thread. Shit I've BTDT w/WIC many moons ago but I still believe that the system is too easy to cheat, and needs a MAJOR overhaul. I also stand firm in the fact that we as a country should offer those in need GOOD services not just CHEAP services but that's another debate in itself.

You are correct that it does not allow you to buy all the things listed above, however, it allows you to walk into the seafood market and get crabs, shrimp, clams, softcrabs, etc. something that I must don't get the luxuray of having even monthly.

It does but sadly if the majority were to walk into a fresh seafood market or a butcher they would walk out with maybe just maybe three meals and not a dime left for the rest of the month.

You are correct that it does not allow you to buy all the things listed above, however, it allows you to walk into the seafood market and get crabs, shrimp, clams, softcrabs, etc. something that I must don't get the luxuray of having even monthly.

again what does it matter what they buy. Why does it have to come down to if you get assistance you should only eat cheap food?? there are ways to budget your money clip coupons learn to stock up, not to mention there are always help houses that maybe are patronized that allow them to splurge? Also food assistance is just that assistance it isn't or wasn't meant to be the only means to food. that is why some people qualify for so little.

Dude I'm not agruing over petty shit but I'll be damned if you mis quote me or claim I said something I didn't. To go round and round with you, I never mentioned diapers, cat food, t.p., tooth paste YOU DID. I mearly said the one person in particular that I know lives like a rock star on a government budget and lies to keep what little benifits she gets.

You still don't get the point, do you? Yes, I know I mentioned that stuff. BECAUSE I WAS MAKING A POINT. And, again, try not to judge other people when you have NO IDEA how or why they are in the position they are in.

I'm not big on christianity, but if you are at all... "Judge not lest you be judged."

I'm pretty sure many who have BTDT have chosen to stay clear of this thread. Shit I've BTDT w/WIC many moons ago but I still believe that the system is too easy to cheat, and needs a MAJOR overhaul. I also stand firm in the fact that we as a country should offer those in need GOOD services not just CHEAP services but that's another debate in itself.

Have you read the other threads about this from the past few days. You may be surprised at how many people have said that they have BTDT.

You still don't get the point, do you? Yes, I know I mentioned that stuff. BECAUSE I WAS MAKING A POINT. And, again, try not to judge other people when you have NO IDEA how or why they are in the position they are in.

I'm not big on christianity, but if you are at all... "Judge not lest you be judged."
May God strike me dead for believing those who do NOT need assistance should be able to take away from those who do.

Have you read the other threads about this from the past few days. You may be surprised at how many people have said that they have BTDT.

I didn't read every thread since one is about a million pages over my eyes limits :hehe but I do know that we have a LOT of women on here who have BTDT and some that are doing it now.

Oh good god aren't we getting a little dramatic now?

May God strike me dead for believing those who do NOT need assistance should be able to take away from those who do.


Good lord! Did you even read my first post on this thread? Obviously not, so let me tell you what I said "I THINK WE ALL CAN AGREE THAT PUBLIC ASSISTANCE NEEDS A RE-VAMP". But I still dont think anyone has the right to judge people who are on it because WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN THROUGH. I think you only read the parts you want to, so I am going now to shower and go to my doctors appt.

Have fun!

And if families buy these things, how far do you think they'll get feeding their children for the WHOLE month? You have got to be kidding me!

No dear, I have seen it. Don't know if they feed their children for an entire month but this is something that should be monitored.

May God strike me dead for believing those who do NOT need assistance should be able to take away from those who do.

WHAT!?!

:shock

So, u should be able to take away from people who are ALREADY in a bad position?

WHY exactly? What makes u any better?

Please tell me u were being sarcastic or that I have again misunderstood what YOU have said because I'm a little in shock.

No dear, I have seen it. Don't know if they feed their children for an entire month but this is something that should be monitored.

why should it be monitored? does anyone monitor what you feed your child? if you are on assistance you need to be monitored? that doesn't make any sense to me. most people don't like to be on assistance so to further embarrass them lets make them run every purchase by the cashier and everyone in line behind them to ensure they are getting :quote the right food :quote

No dear

Please don't be patronizing and call me "dear". I am clearly not your dear.

And when have you seen it? By looking over peoples shoulders at the seafood counter to make sure that you agree with their purchases and their method of payment? Nice.

No dear, I have seen it. Don't know if they feed their children for an entire month but this is something that should be monitored.

:rolleyes

maybe I should monitor what u give YOUR kids.

I say again...

so much for American Freedom.

Please don't be patronizing and call me "dear". I am clearly not your dear.

And when have you seen it? By looking over peoples shoulders at the seafood counter to make sure that you agree with their purchases and their method of payment? Nice.

:hail

OH MY!! Ya'll are typing faster than I can read all this! LOL!


One thing that strikes me badly is that have you ever noticed that food stamps are accepted on base/post? That just doesn't make sense to me! All that says is obviously the military is definately NOT paying it's employees enough to live on....

Okay, I'll say this. I have been on food stamps and I could probably qualify for them right now. IF I decided that I needed a birthday cake for my daughter or maybe I'd like to eat a steak once a month or have a BBQ... I think as long as my kids are fed and that I have extra then I should get to do whatever I want with the assistance. The only problem that I have ever had with public assistance and the use of it is when people try to manipulate it for cash so they could go buy cigarettes or beer or whatever else. It is meant to buy food, a necessity, I could care less what kind. I'm sure there are people left & right who offer to buy items with their EBT in return for cash. That is cheating the system and wrong. If they have enough to get steak & seafood then great, eat it up... don't care... just don't peddle the use of it for cash. THAT irks me.

Okay, I'll say this. I have been on food stamps and I could probably qualify for them right now. IF I decided that I needed a birthday cake for my daughter or maybe I'd like to eat a steak once a month or have a BBQ... I think as long as my kids are fed and that I have extra then I should get to do whatever I want with the assistance. The only problem that I have ever had with public assistance and the use of it is when people try to manipulate it for cash so they could go buy cigarettes or beer or whatever else. It is meant to buy food, a necessity, I could care less what kind. I'm sure there are people left & right who offer to buy items with their EBT in return for cash. That is cheating the system and wrong. If they have enough to get steak & seafood then great, eat it up... don't care... just don't peddle the use of it for cash. THAT irks me.

According so some of the posts here maybe trading it for cash to obtain items not eligible is ok too, (wait, is not allowing cigs and beer to be purchased with the public assistance card monitoring what you buy) how dare them.

omg this is getting to the point where it's an argument about semantics, not the original point.

i will defend krisha if nothing else, bc i know her fairly well and know what she is trying to say.

KRISHA'S FRIEND LIES ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY MAKE (thus: need) IN ORDER TO GET GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE
meanwhile, said friends are out blowing their money on BS stuff. instead of sucking off the government, maybe they should drink a few less martinis and buy everyone a few less rounds.

to put it plain and simple: they use the $ they're receiving to pay for groceries, yes.
Do they NEED the money? NO. they budget improperly and overspend, NOT DUE TO FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES but bc they haven't been caught in their lie yet.

According so some of the posts here maybe trading it for cash to obtain items not eligible is ok too, (wait, is not allowing cigs and beer to be purchased with the public assistance card monitoring what you buy) how dare them.

oh so those of us who DONT condone "monitoring" what type of food people on assistance purchase...we are automatically condoning "trading it"?

:rolleyes

KRISHA'S FRIEND LIES ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY MAKE (thus: need) IN ORDER TO GET GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE

How? You usually have to show all paystubs and they also check up on this by checking your SSN. I don't mean this to be argumentative... I am genuinely asking.

According so some of the posts here maybe trading it for cash to obtain items not eligible is ok too, (wait, is not allowing cigs and beer to be purchased with the public assistance card monitoring what you buy) how dare them

Are you serious? Like I said before, you ONLY READ WHAT YOU WANT so it's pointless even talking to you. The statement above is ridiculously inane and stupid.

oh so those of us who DONT condone "monitoring" what type of food people on assistance purchase...we are automatically condoning "trading it"?

:rolleyes

Sometimes people just read what they want to read.

oh so those of us who DONT condone "monitoring" what type of food people on assistance purchase...we are automatically condoning "trading it"?



Apparantly so, huh? I didn't know thats what we thought! Good thing she told us!

How? You usually have to show all paystubs and they also check up on this by checking your SSN. I don't mean this to be argumentative... I am genuinely asking.

IDK. Like I said, I'm sticking up for Krisha bc I know her. I reworded what she said so it would be less difficult to understand / misconstrue.. she rambles sometimes... :hehe

omg this is getting to the point where it's an argument about semantics, not the original point.

i will defend krisha if nothing else, bc i know her fairly well and know what she is trying to say.

KRISHA'S FRIEND LIES ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY THEY MAKE (thus: need) IN ORDER TO GET GOVERNMENT ASSISTANCE
meanwhile, said friends are out blowing their money on BS stuff. instead of sucking off the government, maybe they should drink a few less martinis and buy everyone a few less rounds.

to put it plain and simple: they use the $ they're receiving to pay for groceries, yes.
Do they NEED the money? NO. they budget improperly and overspend, NOT DUE TO FINANCIAL DIFFICULTIES but bc they haven't been caught in their lie yet.

I haven't read the whole thread. I'll have to go see what she said but OF COURSE it's wrong to lie about your income to get government assistance. If they don't even (honestly) qualify to get assistance and are then buying extravagant items then yes, that would piss me off and I'd have to say something to them. I totally agree with Krisha in that if they don't even truly qualify to receive it (without committing fraud) and then are blowing it then yeah, that's absolutely wrong.

IDK. Like I said, I'm sticking up for Krisha bc I know her. I reworded what she said so it would be less difficult to understand / misconstrue.. she rambles sometimes... :hehe

oh so u dont actually HAVE an opinion on the subject...ur just "sticking up" for ur friend and agreeing with her because u know her?

:puzz

You are correct that it does not allow you to buy all the things listed above, however, it allows you to walk into the seafood market and get crabs, shrimp, clams, softcrabs, etc. something that I must don't get the luxuray of having even monthly.


If you buy those things most people wouldn't be able to feed themselves for the whole month.

oh i HAVE an opinion, i just don't care to express it.
and sort of. i just said, i re-worded what she said bc it clearly was being misunderstood. i don't find anything so terribly wrong with that, lol.

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Originally Posted by jennypage
How? You usually have to show all paystubs and they also check up on this by checking your SSN. I don't mean this to be argumentative... I am genuinely asking.

IDK. Like I said, I'm sticking up for Krisha bc I know her. I reworded what she said so it would be less difficult to understand / misconstrue.. she rambles sometimes...

See, the thing is with this is the only way I know of to get around this is by working under the table. If this is the case, then it is not just the persons fault, but also the employer who agreed to pay the person without documenting it. This is clearly a problem... and may be part of the system that needs "revamping", but I am still wondering?? How does she know her friend is lying? And if she's so pissed, why doesn't she do something about it since she's SO AGAINST abusing the system???

Do people seriously not know how people work the system? It happens all the time. People get paid "under the table" and don't report it or say that they pay their momma for daycare when they don't and get them to write a receipt... it's not that hard to figure out. I mean, criminals do it all day long, it's just fraud... :lol

WHAT!?!

:shock

So, u should be able to take away from people who are ALREADY in a bad position?

WHY exactly? What makes u any better?

Please tell me u were being sarcastic or that I have again misunderstood what YOU have said because I'm a little in shock.


I'm pretty sure you misunderstood what she meant there. She meant she doesn't believe that the people who are abusing the system and getting money that they don't need should be using that money which is taking away from the people who really do need it.

People DO abuse the system everyday, that's a fact that I don't think a single one of us will deny. But the big issue in this whole thing is people judgeing others for buying a damn coffee or a steak with thier EBT card. Of course the whole system could use to be revamped... but these debates are all focused around ignorant judgements on poeple they don't know a damn thing about, not the flaws in the system and what needs to be done to make them better.

people judgeing others for buying a damn coffee or a steak with thier EBT card

focused around ignorant judgements on poeple they don't know a damn thing about


:tysign

Hell yeah! You said it sister! (Well, we both said it, but maybe if we say it enough times, it will get through!)

This was going fine and now it's a bigger clusterfuck than yesterday.

No one needs to be monitoring what anyone else buys, ever, for any reason, period.

If you honestly believe that what people buy should be public knowledge, you be the first to scan all your grocery receipts and post them, huh? :waiting

See, the thing is with this is the only way I know of to get around this is by working under the table. If this is the case, then it is not just the persons fault, but also the employer who agreed to pay the person without documenting it. This is clearly a problem... and may be part of the system that needs "revamping", but I am still wondering?? How does she know her friend is lying? And if she's so pissed, why doesn't she do something about it since she's SO AGAINST abusing the system???

IDK IDK :lol :lol I'm merely the person doing interpreting. Besides, that would take a lot of balls AND there's a HUGE differnce between confronting a friend about their $ situation and bitching about it on ~teh interwebz. Ya know?

I'm pretty sure you misunderstood what she meant there. She meant she doesn't believe that the people who are abusing the system and getting money that they don't need should be using that money which is taking away from the people who really do need it.

:whew

ok

This was going fine and now it's a bigger clusterfuck than yesterday.

No one needs to be monitoring what anyone else buys, ever, for any reason, period.

If you honestly believe that what people buy should be public knowledge, you be the first to scan all your grocery receipts and post them, huh? :waiting

:lol

:hail

This was going fine and now it's a bigger clusterfuck than yesterday.

No one needs to be monitoring what anyone else buys, ever, for any reason, period.

If you honestly believe that what people buy should be public knowledge, you be the first to scan all your grocery receipts and post them, huh? :waiting

I know what your saying... I think it's pretty asinine to say that because people are getting government money for food they have have to report what they are purchasing. There are plenty of other things that can be done to curb the abuse of the system that are less invasive. AND yah know.. most of us get our money for food FROM THE GOVERNMENT TOO... should the military be making us report to them our food purchases? and while we're at it.. since the whole paycheck comes from the government, should we have to report where every dome of the check goes also? Of course not.

Ladies (it is OK to call you ladies, right) this has been a great discussion today and one that could go on for days.

The bottom line is we all have our opinions on the subject, neither right nor wrong and we stand firm behind our beliefs bringing us closer together or further apart.

As you can see by the posts here today, a great deal of us have been affected by some life altering situation be it divorce, dealth of a spouse (no I didn't read it here), loss of job, etc that has required us to seek public assistance in some form or fasion and it has been available to help us get over the setback.

I just don't want to see what little assistance the government has budgeted for public assistance be jeopardized by the ones abusing it and if it takes more stringent monitoring so be it. At least I know it will be available for the ones who really need it.

Take care everyone,

People DO abuse the system everyday, that's a fact that I don't think a single one of us will deny. But the big issue in this whole thing is people judgeing others for buying a damn coffee or a steak with thier EBT card. Of course the whole system could use to be revamped... but these debates are all focused around ignorant judgements on poeple they don't know a damn thing about, not the flaws in the system and what needs to be done to make them better.

Oh yeah, I get that. I think that if they legitimately get the assistance then they can get whatever food they want. I think, at least with Krisha, she seemed irked because they person doesn't legitimately get the assistance. It's just pouring salt in the wound that not only do they not "deserve" the assistance but they are also buying extravagant things. :dunno

My sister is divorced, has two kids and is going through college and barely makes enough to pay the bills. She gets EBT and if she wanted steak, I would not think she was ridiculous to get it for herself. Hell, her life is hard enough as it is without me giving her shit about what food she buys.

I know what your saying... I think it's pretty asinine to say that because people are getting government money for food they have have to report what they are purchasing. There are plenty of other things that can be done to curb the abuse of the system that are less invasive. AND yah know.. most of us get our money for food FROM THE GOVERNMENT TOO... should the military be making us report to them our food purchases? and while we're at it.. since the whole paycheck comes form the government, should we have to report where every dome of the check goes also? Of course not.

ITA.

So long as FOOD is being purchased, that is NOT abuse. It's what the program is there for. Kudos to those who can budget/coupon clip/sale shop well enough to buy the good stuff and still last all month on that amount. :yes

Ladies (it is OK to call you ladies, right) this has been a great discussion today and one that could go on for days.

The bottom line is we all have our opinions on the subject, neither right nor wrong and we stand firm behind our beliefs bringing us closer together or further apart.

As you can see by the posts here today, a great deal of us have been affected by some life altering situation be it divorce, dealth of a spouse (no I didn't read it here), loss of job, etc that has required us to seek public assistance in some form or fasion and it has been available to help us get over the setback.

I just don't want to see what little assistance the government has budgeted for public assistance be jeopardized by the ones abusing it and if it takes more stringent monitoring so be it. At least I know it will be available for the ones who really need it.

Take care everyone,


You just can't assume it's being abused if you see someone buying themselves a coffee. Don't judge a book by it's cover... don't do the book report when you havn't read the book.

That little dig there was real mature :jerkit :no

(it is OK to call you ladies, right)

Just always gotta get some kind-of dig in, dontcha? Why? Not enough to just express opinions, you have to make it personal, and really, kind-of immature. It's silly.

well hell...while we're at it....

since some of us have a mark or 50 against our credit...

lets report every tampon and toothbrush we buy to the credit bureaus so they can "monitor" what we buy. :shrug

oh damn...a late electric bill payment...let them in our bank accounts so they can tell me whether or not my bill money was blown on deoderant.

I still don't understand how buying FOOD with a food allowance is abuse?

Can someone please explain this one to me? :puzz

I still don't understand how buying FOOD with a food allowance is abuse?

Can someone please explain this one to me? :puzz


Because some people think that if you're getting food stamps you have to eat mac n cheese and hot dogs every day. If you're eating something better than that it must be abuse.

Because some people think that if you're getting food stamps you have to eat mac n cheese and hot dogs every day. If you're eating something better than that it must be abuse.
:yes it seems that way
if they caught you one time buying lobster then you must be doing that every month.

:edit
like you have to be soo grateful for the assistance that you have to eat unhealthy for it.

LULZ

this shit is getting RIDIC

:yes it seems that way
if they caught you one time buying lobster then you must be doing that every month.


and god forbid you find a $5 bill on the ground or a friend gives you a starbucks gift card and you get cought buying a latte. Holy shit, you're a food stamps abuser then.

LULZ

this shit is getting RIDIC

:giggle Did I mention that I have missed you? (L)

if they caught you one time buying lobster then you must be doing that every month.

Who caught you? Oh, the ladies on here who consider themselves the mf-ing food police! The ones who KNOW what you should and should not buy for groceries depending on how your nails are done or what purse you carry, or if you even have the nerve to buy a coffee! Good lord!


:bringit:flippa:angry

y but i ~love~ myself so.. i don't mind hearing it again :p

can we all agree there's extremes on every side of a situation?

nobody's perfect, and nobody is expected to be. come on guys. agree to disagree. this horse's mother is rolling in it's bloody grave.

Do people seriously not know how people work the system? It happens all the time. People get paid "under the table" and don't report it or say that they pay their momma for daycare when they don't and get them to write a receipt... it's not that hard to figure out. I mean, criminals do it all day long, it's just fraud... :lol

yea...what u said


I agree with Krisha...and i think most of you get what she is trying to say...

heres my example:
if you get 200.00 in foodstamps a month (i've seen it!!) And your basket is fulled with sodas, crablegs, potatoes chips, candy etc etc and they get to the register and it come out to 132.00 and its only the 5th of the month then pop up at the Food stamp office on the 15th saying you need more assistance and crying the blues because your kids dont have any food. Now thats abusing the system. If you only get 200.00 you need to strecth that freaking $200.00 to the best of your ability...instead of crablegs..you should of brought something that could last alot longer than one night....now i'm not saying people on public assistance not suspose to eat seafood for goodness sakes

Well thats what i got from what she was saying.

im not gonna lie i didnt really read the whole thread, though I will say I can see both sides of the situation. Yes I probably make snap judgments alot more than I should, but in all reality I usually just think to myself how I dont know what thier life is like. The only time I let those judgments get the best of me is when I have to listen to the person tell me about how they are abusing the system.

y but i ~love~ myself so.. i don't mind hearing it again :p

can we all agree there's extremes on every side of a situation?

nobody's perfect, and nobody is expected to be. come on guys. agree to disagree. this horse's mother is rolling in it's bloody grave.

might I mention that u dont have to continue to join in the conversation :dunno

Its easier to just remove YOURSELF than try to shut everyone else up.

Quit clicking the post link :shrug

yea...what u said


I agree with Krisha...and i think most of you get what she is trying to say...

heres my example:
if you get 200.00 in foodstamps a month (i've seen it!!) And your basket is fulled with sodas, crablegs, potatoes chips, candy etc etc and they get to the register and it come out to 132.00 and its only the 5th of the month then pop up at the Food stamp office on the 15th saying you need more assistance and crying the blues because your kids dont have any food. Now thats abusing the system. If you only get 200.00 you need to strecth that freaking $200.00 to the best of your ability...instead of crablegs..you should of brought something that could last alot longer than one night....now i'm not saying people on public assistance not suspose to eat seafood for goodness sakes

Well thats what i got from what she was saying.


They never gave me an extra dime when I didn't have enough money to eat for the whole month...

They never gave me an extra dime when I didn't have enough money to eat for the whole month...

right!

they arent gonna give u extra. u blow what u got? too bad.

They never gave me an extra dime when I didn't have enough money to eat for the whole month...

i didnt say they did...my auntie works at that...well i call it the food stamp office and she says that people always come in and ask for more....it was an example.

right!

they arent gonna give u extra. u blow what u got? too bad.

Exactly!!! and krisha point was dont buy expensive crap like seafood or lobster if you know you have to make it last a whole month....if its the end of the month and you have extra then by all means but dont complain after you go buy all that expensive crap that you need more help.

Exactly!!! and krisha point was dont buy expensive crap like seafood or lobster if you know you have to make it last a whole month....if its the end of the month and you have extra then by all means but dont complain after you go buy all that expensive crap that you need more help.

well ok, but they probably arent going to get more help...so unless these people are knocking on Krisha's door...what difference does it make? They blew their assistance for the month...their fault....how does that DIRECTLY affect her? Its not like people are getting a pat on the back for not spending well.

This was going fine and now it's a bigger clusterfuck than yesterday.

No one needs to be monitoring what anyone else buys, ever, for any reason, period.

If you honestly believe that what people buy should be public knowledge, you be the first to scan all your grocery receipts and post them, huh? :waiting

:agree Loretta, get out of my head! :P

Exactly!!! and krisha point was dont buy expensive crap like seafood or lobster if you know you have to make it last a whole month....if its the end of the month and you have extra then by all means but dont complain after you go buy all that expensive crap that you need more help.


Well if people "blow" the food stamps.. then they are shit out of luck since they arent going to get any more money and it's THIER problem, no one else's.

The bottom line is, they arent getting anymore money no matter how poorly they might spend it. So why is it anyones business what food they are buying?

well ok, but they probably arent going to get more help...so unless these people are knocking on Krisha's door...what difference does it make? They blew their assistance for the month...their fault....how does that DIRECTLY affect her? Its not like people are getting a pat on the back for not spending well.

point made exactly....her debate was dealing with the people who do get help and abuse it..ex: buying expensive food then want more money, selling foodstamps to buy a outfit...etc etc NOT the ones who dont. I guess the ones who did or do get it got offended and she wasnt even referring to you guys...

I am gonna have to remember this... People on food stamps shouldn't buy anything except for the cheapest food possible and if they have ANY fun in their lives at all, be it a beer after work, smoking a cigarette, going in public not looking like they sleep in a dumpster, or a cup of coffee now and then, they are abusing the system since they shouldn't be eating anything but plain rice and hot dogs.

Check.

I am gonna have to remember this... People on food stamps shouldn't buy anything except for the cheapest food possible and if they have ANY fun in their lives at all, be it a beer after work, smoking a cigarette, going in public not looking like they sleep in a dumpster, or a cup of coffee now and then, they are abusing the system since they shouldn't be eating anything but plain rice and hot dogs.

Check.

I (L) you!!!

What I find really funny is how someone says something and then 2 or 3 people show up who then speak for her lol

point made exactly....her debate was dealing with the people who do get help and abuse it..ex: buying expensive food then want more money, selling foodstamps to buy a outfit...etc etc NOT the ones who dont. I guess the ones who did or do get it got offended and she wasnt even referring to you guys...


You can't use the "want more money" thing as an examply because THEY DON'T GET MORE even if they really do need it. You get what you get, so even if you spend it poorly, that's on you.. not the welfare system. They arent giving people any more money even if they spend it poorly and have no money to eat the rest of the month. So people CAN'T abuse the system in that aspect.

I am gonna have to remember this... People on food stamps shouldn't buy anything except for the cheapest food possible and if they have ANY fun in their lives at all, be it a beer after work, smoking a cigarette, going in public not looking like they sleep in a dumpster, or a cup of coffee now and then, they are abusing the system since they shouldn't be eating anything but plain rice and hot dogs.

Check.

:hail

and I'm just throwing this out there....I have NO problem with anyone or thier opinions. There are just some opinions here that are made not fully knowing how the system works and of course others being made out of pure judgemnet of those they don't know.

I am gonna have to remember this... People on food stamps shouldn't buy anything except for the cheapest food possible and if they have ANY fun in their lives at all, be it a beer after work, smoking a cigarette, going in public not looking like they sleep in a dumpster, or a cup of coffee now and then, they are abusing the system since they shouldn't be eating anything but plain rice and hot dogs.

Check.

Exactly...how do you judge someone else when you don't even know them, don't know their situation? I just don't get that at all. :dunno

And for the record, I've never been on food stamps or required goverment assistance other than WIC when our son was an infant, but I would hope that if I was ever in need of using food stamps or other government assistance, that people wouldn't judge me just by looking at me, looking at what I'm buying etc.

I wish I could remember Tiff's (tifflovezyou) quote from one of the other threads - something about life bringing you to your knees.

I didn't read the whole thread, but I just need to add something that I really hate. I hate when people are getting food stamps and have so many extra that they "sell" them to a store to get cash for other things!

That's my vent. But, if you need them, then definitely, you should be able to get them.

and I'm just throwing this out there....I have NO problem with anyone or thier opinions. There are just some opinions here that are made not fully knowing how the system works and of course others being made out of pure judgemnet of those they don't know.

Agreed. I see a lot of people worrying a whole lot about people abusing the system because they know ONE person that they THINK is abusing it, or they see someone in public that was wearing clothes that they deemed too nice or buying something they deemed too expensive. Doesn't seem like a very good basis for an argument or the amount of fear I have seen when it comes to abusing the system.

I have known a LOT of people who have had to take advantage of the welfare system at one time or another, and as can be seen in every thread about this topic on here lately, there are a lot of girls here who have used WIC or EBT or unemployment insurance etc before. Based on my experiences and the ones demonstrated here, I think the fear that there are tons of mysterious people out there abusing the system so they can sit back and enjoy their lives of poverty seems HIGHLY irrational to me. People I have known that ended up on welfare for whatever reason were not PROUD of it. They did not feel entitled to it. And the ones who pretended like they were somehow taking advantage did so BECAUSE they were ashamed of it, but all I had to do was dig a little deeper to see that. So, the assumptions are baffling to me. The lack of COMPASSION is baffling to me. I know that if I was on welfare, I would either hide it from everyone because I would be so ashamed, or if people did find out, I would pretend like it was no big deal as a defense mechanism so that I could fool myself into thinking I am not a total loser. EVEN IF I was on it for the "right reasons" and never bought anything but rice and hot dogs. It's HUMAN NATURE for people to do that.

And that is MY OPINION. :P

Carry on. :giggle

I have never heard of selling foodstamps to a store. How the hell does that one work? :lol

you be the first to scan all your grocery receipts and post them

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Lets discuss :lmao :lmao :lmao

I didn't read the whole thread, but I just need to add something that I really hate. I hate when people are getting food stamps and have so many extra that they "sell" them to a store to get cash for other things!

That's my vent. But, if you need them, then definitely, you should be able to get them.

umm...what the hell are u talking about?

see, this I think is a perfect example of not fully understanding the welfare system.

There are food stamps...and then there is cash assistance. ALOT of people (myself at one point included) get them at the same time. Cash assistance is for custodial parents who are not receiving child support, but the only ONLY way to get this assistance is by registering for a work program and by cooperating with the state in child support enforcement. It is usually about 75 or so a month per child

The cash assistance (TAF, or TANF) is put on ur EBT card, like an account. You can access it the same way u would if u had a debit card.

So when u see someone in line at the grocery store and ur nosy enough to be staring at their payment method...and they are buying food and other things with EBT, or they get cash back...its not because they are SELLING their stamps...its because they are using their cash assistance AS WELL AS their food stamps.

BTW, u can also get ur cash thru an ATM or point of sale withdrawal...SAME AS A DEBIT CARD

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Lets discuss :lmao :lmao :lmao

:hystericlaugh

What I find really funny is how someone says something and then 2 or 3 people show up who then speak for her lol

Yeah, that happens all the time.

Yeah, that happens all the time.

She said what she meant in all of her post...I don't need to hear it again from 3 other people. Maybe I'm just crabby tonight :giggle

What I find really funny is how someone says something and then 2 or 3 people show up who then speak for her lol

hmm...maybe you're referring to me :) but i simply stating what i "thought" she meant....i'm agreein with her...:hehe

You can't use the "want more money" thing as an examply because THEY DON'T GET MORE even if they really do need it. You get what you get, so even if you spend it poorly, that's on you.. not the welfare system. They arent giving people any more money even if they spend it poorly and have no money to eat the rest of the month. So people CAN'T abuse the system in that aspect.

abusing meaning not using it right....if you get it dont spend it poorly...i mean dang thats the point.

and you sell food stamps by taking the person to the store with you they pick what they want and they give you money to get what they want thats not food...ex. cigarettes and crap.
Working at Winn-Dixie and having some friends that did it i'm pretty sure thats how it goes. :)

I have never heard of selling foodstamps to a store. How the hell does that one work? :lol

I take it you have never had anyone proposition you like that... :lol

I've had someone come up to me while I'm waiting in line to check out. I have my cash in hand right, they offer to use their EBT card (used to be the stamp book) in exchange for the cash that I would have used to buy the groceries. Basically, that's it. I told them "uh, no" but I'm sure they've had people tell them yes. They get it cheaper because no taxes so they give them how much they use on the card.

She said what she meant in all of her post...I don't need to hear it again from 3 other people. Maybe I'm just crabby tonight :giggle

I think sometimes what someone says gets distorted in the replies and people who see this get frustrated because it was not what was intended but then it's all read different ways by different people. Some read in snarkiness and others don't. :dunno

I take it you have never had anyone proposition you like that... :lol

I've had someone come up to me while I'm waiting in line to check out. I have my cash in hand right, they offer to use their EBT card (used to be the stamp book) in exchange for the cash that I would have used to buy the groceries. Basically, that's it. I told them "uh, no" but I'm sure they've had people tell them yes. They get it cheaper because no taxes so they give them how much they use on the card.

I've seen that happen...but what she said was

I didn't read the whole thread, but I just need to add something that I really hate. I hate when people are getting food stamps and have so many extra that they "sell" them to a store to get cash for other things!


That's my vent. But, if you need them, then definitely, you should be able to get them.
not "other people"

I take it you have never had anyone proposition you like that... :lol

I've had someone come up to me while I'm waiting in line to check out. I have my cash in hand right, they offer to use their EBT card (used to be the stamp book) in exchange for the cash that I would have used to buy the groceries. Basically, that's it. I told them "uh, no" but I'm sure they've had people tell them yes. They get it cheaper because no taxes so they give them how much they use on the card.

i saw that alot at winn-dixie! lol i remember the stamp book with my mom...i thought it was monoply money..:hehe

I think sometimes what someone says gets distorted in the replies and people who see this get frustrated because it was not what was intended but then it's all read different ways by different people. Some read in snarkiness and others don't. :dunno

True!

I've seen that happen...but what she said was


not "other people"

huh... that's one crooked store. :suspect and I can't keep up with this thread. :hehe

I have never heard of selling foodstamps to a store. How the hell does that one work? :lol

There are just crooked stores out there who do it. They give the person who gets the food stamps like 50% of what they are worth in cash. I've seen it done at stores in my hometown a lot.

Pisses me off!

I don't know why the individual welfare program that is there for the specific purpose of helping poor families get back on their feet gets people so up in arms when a LOT more money is spent on corporate welfare by the government in this country than individual welfare. You worried about your tax dollars going to people who don't "deserve" it? Take a look at some of the corporate welfare spending in this country and you will see that some random family buying a steak with their EBT card is the LEAST of our problems.

umm...what the hell are u talking about?

see, this I think is a perfect example of not fully understanding the welfare system.

There are food stamps...and then there is cash assistance. ALOT of people (myself at one point included) get them at the same time. Cash assistance is for custodial parents who are not receiving child support, but the only ONLY way to get this assistance is by registering for a work program and by cooperating with the state in child support enforcement. It is usually about 75 or so a month per child

The cash assistance (TAF, or TANF) is put on ur EBT card, like an account. You can access it the same way u would if u had a debit card.

So when u see someone in line at the grocery store and ur nosy enough to be staring at their payment method...and they are buying food and other things with EBT, or they get cash back...its not because they are SELLING their stamps...its because they are using their cash assistance AS WELL AS their food stamps.

BTW, u can also get ur cash thru an ATM or point of sale withdrawal...SAME AS A DEBIT CARD


I'm talking about people who go into a store, hand them their EBT card and get cash from them. I KNOW THIS HAPPENS AS I'VE KNOWN PEOPLE WHO DO IT. Also, I know of stores in my hometown that do this. The store makes $$ because they give the person 50% of what they take from them. THEY ARE SELLING THEIR FOOD STAMPS SOMETIMES! Oh, and I'm not being nosey. This happens in my hometown quite often.

I'm talking about people who go into a store, hand them their EBT card and get cash from them. I KNOW THIS HAPPENS AS I'VE KNOWN PEOPLE WHO DO IT. Also, I know of stores in my hometown that do this. The store makes $$ because they give the person 50% of what they take from them. THEY ARE SELLING THEIR FOOD STAMPS SOMETIMES! Oh, and I'm not being nosey. This happens in my hometown quite often.

the store STILL wouldnt make any money off that.

I'm confused. :puzz

a store cannot take food stamps and CONVERT them to cash to make profit from buying them off of someone. Even SOLD food stamps are still food stamps.

Ok, Teresa...:rofl You rock for doing that.

Now, if you WERE on EBT, you can bet your ass someone would be bitching about all that jerky you bought. :lol

Ok, Teresa...:rofl You rock for doing that.

Now, if you WERE on EBT, you can bet your ass someone would be bitching about all that jerky you bought. :lol

Ha Ha, I was going to mention the jerky too! :teehee

the store STILL wouldnt make any money off that.

I'm confused. :puzz

a store cannot take food stamps and CONVERT them to cash to make profit from buying them off of