Any one walking out of their jobs???? I for one am!!!!


It will be a DAY WITHOUT A MEXICAN brought to life and intenstified!!!!!

Nope, sorry....

Luke and I watched that movie last summer and invited his friend Juan over... he thought it was so stupid! I didn't follow it very well but I was intoxicated! :lol

:suspect I dont work but if I did I sure wouldnt be walking out though

I have no clue what you are talking about.

I have no clue what you are talking about.


I was thinking the same thing :dunno

There is some ANTI~Immagrant legislation trying to get passed. So the walk out is in support of immagrants.

There are alot of industrys that will be effected if the legislation is passed.

The movie A DAY WITH OUT A MEXICAN....was funny....and true....but if you are not from Cali it could be a little hard to follow.

Are you an illegal immigrant? If not, I don't understand what walking out would prove...

I personally am against it... and don't see how walking out of a job is going to prove anything. Just my opinion though..

Nope, can't/wouldn't want to walk out of my job (Mommy)

What does walking out prove?

Are you an illegal immigrant? If not, I don't understand what walking out would prove...

I personally am against it... and don't see how walking out of a job is going to prove anything. Just my opinion though..

:agree

Besides what is trying to be passed is for ILLEGAL immigrants. Why is it soo hard for people to understand that? :banghead

Nope, can't/wouldn't want to walk out of my job (Mommy)

What does walking out prove?


:roflmao

Me neither! Oh, plus I am my own boss. I don't think I'd like me very much if I walked out..... :hehe

Are you an illegal immigrant? If not, I don't understand what walking out would prove...

I personally am against it... and don't see how walking out of a job is going to prove anything. Just my opinion though..


I would have to agree with you also now that I understand what it is for.

Nope...since I don't have a job and even if I did I still wouldn't

:agree

Besides what is trying to be passed is for ILLEGAL immigrants. Why is it soo hard for people to understand that? :banghead
:agree

I have no clue what you are talking about.

I don't know what you are talking about either???

Nope....not an illegal immagrant.....not even an immagrant....my family has been in the US before it was the US.

I just know that there will be an impact on the economy with the legislation being passed.

Nope....not an illegal immagrant.....not even an immagrant....my family has been in the US before it was the US.


Okay and what does that mean :puzz I may be suffering from preggo brain but that doesn't make sense to me .

Wouldn't it make more sense to do it May 5th? :shrug

That's fine if it has an effect but I don't get the issue...They are ILLEGAL.... it's not just them doing meanial jobs.... it's that they get healthcare and schooling for their kids....but no taxes are paid.... Just do it legally and I could care less..... Walking out for a day isn't going to do anything.... but hey if that's what you want to do to make a statement go for it....

Hey here's my idea lets get all the marajuania smokers and stage a walk out to legalize Marajuania..... (i'm only up for it for medicinal purposes) it's an Illegal drug....Wahoo...Who's with me :D

Any of those companies can hire me for May 1st. I've looked for a job here, and may be again soon.

Truely what would it prove???? Students here did walk out, over an issue they really had no clue about. I think it all is a bunch of crap.... No offense to those of spanish / mexican heritage, but illegals weather from any country do not pay taxes and have become a burden on our society. Welfare is at an all time high. Sorry jmo!!

That's fine if it has an effect but I don't get the issue...They are ILLEGAL.... it's not just them doing meanial jobs.... it's that they get healthcare and schooling for their kids....but no taxes are paid.... Just do it legally and I could care less..... Walking out for a day isn't going to do anything.... but hey if that's what you want to do to make a statement go for it....

Hey here's my idea lets get all the marajuania smokers and stage a walk out to legalize Marajuania..... (i'm only up for it for medicinal purposes) it's an Illegal drug....Wahoo...Who's with me :D

:lmao :yes

Although I still don't get why they won't legalize MJ when its affects are just as bad as the toxins in smokes and the damage/affects on alcohol. But that is another disscussion in of it's own.

Wouldn't it make more sense to do it May 5th? :shrug

Cinco de Mayo....is only one of Mexico's independance days.....it is actually celebrated in the US more than anything.....

Not all of the illegals are from Mexico.

Any one walking out of their jobs???? I for one am!!!!


It will be a DAY WITHOUT A MEXICAN brought to life and intenstified!!!!!


:thinking

Cinco de Mayo....is only one of Mexico's independance days.....it is actually celebrated in the US more than anything.....

Not all of the illegals are from Mexico.


still........ :thinking

I cant and I dont think I would... I have my own family to worry about not millions of immigrants

COme on everyone....5/20 (we already missed 4/20) we'll walk out for MJ......Sorry....I just don't get the walk out idea!!!!

Okay and what does that mean :puzz I may be suffering from preggo brain but that doesn't make sense to me .

Sorry if I confused you in my answer....some one asked me if I was an illegal immagrant....I said no....and that I was not an immagrant.

I am born and breed in the US.

Tracing my family tree.....my ancestors were in what is now known as the United States before it was the United States.....does that help?

COme on everyone....5/20 (we already missed 4/20) we'll walk out for MJ......Sorry....I just don't get the walk out idea!!!!

Damnit!! We did miss it.....could we claim we were stoned? It was ONLY 6 days ago!!

Like Lindsay said, I am fine if immigrants want to come to the states legally! When they do it illegally, then start saying they should have rights, that's what blows me away! So do I get rights to stay out of prison if I drive drunk? It's ILLEGAL, thats what it stems from. Everyone can say that they were born here, or we took the land from Indians, blah blah blah, what it comes down to is that we are a country, we have laws, and they need to be followed. It still really baffles me that these students walked out of class, and then you see it on TV and there are kids sitting around smoking cigarettes, talking on their phones and chatting. Looks like they are REALLY for the issue! That, to me, just makes the whole thing look like a joke.

I just see no reason to reward people who have come here illegally. Slap in the face to those who have waited or are patiently waiting for citizenship. :no

sure....we'll just claim we got stonned and walked out...We just forgot ;-)

Hey here's my idea lets get all the marajuania smokers and stage a walk out to legalize Marajuania..... (i'm only up for it for medicinal purposes) it's an Illegal drug....Wahoo...Who's with me :D


:lol


420

hey I got 13 minutes till it's 420...who wants to come over and smoke one? :-D

sure....we'll just claim we got stonned and walked out...We just forgot ;-)

:yes

:roflmao

What day is it?
Oopsy!

shoot can't remember.....too much smoke....Hummmmmmm I got the munchies ;-)

Like Lindsay said, I am fine if immigrants want to come to the states legally! When they do it illegally, then start saying they should have rights, that's what blows me away! So do I get rights to stay out of prison if I drive drunk? It's ILLEGAL, thats what it stems from. Everyone can say that they were born here, or we took the land from Indians, blah blah blah, what it comes down to is that we are a country, we have laws, and they need to be followed. It still really baffles me that these students walked out of class, and then you see it on TV and there are kids sitting around smoking cigarettes, talking on their phones and chatting. Looks like they are REALLY for the issue! That, to me, just makes the whole thing look like a joke.

I just see no reason to reward people who have come here illegally. Slap in the face to those who have waited or are patiently waiting for citizenship. :no

:agree I don't think I could have said it better myself. Excatly why I am beyond pissed off about all these rallies. :banghead

hey I got 13 minutes till it's 420...who wants to come over and smoke one? :-D


Well, I'm not so sure that's good for our babies......but we can claim we didn't know... :lmao

It's not good for the babies....I'll smoke an imaginary one and prego brain is just my forgetfulness :-D

It's not good for the babies....I'll smoke an imaginary one and prego brain is just my forgetfulness :-D

:yes Good call!! :lmao

grrrr now I got the munchies...gotta get a snack :D

hey I got 13 minutes till it's 420...who wants to come over and smoke one? :-D


420 on 4/20 @ 4:20.....my quota is in for the year;)

Thank God for that buffett tonight! :eat :D

It is said that the students choose to carry them selves that way....


I wish Cesar Chavez could be here to speak into them and guide them.

He was a great man.....I am greatful I got to meet him.

:agree I don't think I could have said it better myself. Excatly why I am beyond pissed off about all these rallies. :banghead


:five

I'm all for human rights but my family came here legally and worked their asses off. I'll be damned if I'm paying healthcare and everything else for people who took the easy way. Besides, America needs to take care of the problems they have before they can help the rest of the world.

IMO you have to go through it to know why ilegals come here ilegally. Not everyone can come here legally just because they want to. Let me tell you every single ilegal that I know pay taxes, wont get into details but federal taxes are taken off their paycheck every payday, that's the ones that I know. I wonder, if it wasn't for all this ilegals, who would be picking up all the apples and oranges that we use from the states?? you?

IMO you have to go through it to know why ilegals come here ilegally. Not everyone can come here legally just because they want to. Let me tell you every single ilegal that I know pay taxes, wont get into details but federal taxes are taken off their paycheck every payday, that's the ones that I know. I wonder, if it wasn't for all this ilegals, who would be picking up all the apples and oranges that we use from the states?? you?

But Shaky they have to have a social security # in order to pay taxes, so they HAVE done their paperwork to obtain the social. If not, they are paying taxes in someone else's name...

Not Only do they pick the fruits and vegtables, they are the maids, gardeners,

Alot of jobs that are "beneath" people. Everyone always says that they "steal" jobs......yet go to the strawberry fields and see who is there....it is not that homeless natural born American.....he is too busy with his sign at the corner.

But Shaky they have to have a social security # in order to pay taxes, so they HAVE done their paperwork to obtain the social. If not, they are paying taxes in someone else's name...
I know, money that they have work and has been taken out of their paychecks. If they were legally here they would still be paying the same.

IMO you have to go through it to know why ilegals come here ilegally. Not everyone can come here legally just because they want to. Let me tell you every single ilegal that I know pay taxes, wont get into details but federal taxes are taken off their paycheck every payday, that's the ones that I know. I wonder, if it wasn't for all this ilegals, who would be picking up all the apples and oranges that we use from the states?? you?
I actaully did do that, pick apples, pears, blueberries you name it. My husband did, his brothers did, my brother did, my cousions did. Most of my family did and we are not immigrants or illegals. Illegal people are not the only ones that are willing to do hard farm labor work.

Sorry but I am tired of hearing about how lazy we are, and how if it were not for the illegal immigrants we wouldn't have any produce.

I actaully did do that, pick apples, pears, blueberries you name it. My husband did, his brothers did, my brother did, my cousions did. Most of my family did and we are not immigrants or illegals. Illegal people are not the only ones that are willing to do hard farm labor work.

Sorry but I am tired of hearing about how lazy we are and if where for illegals we would have no produce.


You are right illegals and immigrants are not the only ones who do hard farm labor....but they are the majority.

I actaully did do that, pick apples, pears, blueberries you name it. My husband did, his brothers did, my brother did, my cousions did. Most of my family did and we are not immigrants or illegals. Illegal people are not the only ones that are willing to do hard farm labor work.

Sorry but I am tired of hearing about how lazy we are and if where for illegals we would have no produce.
I would definitley do it if I have to and I'm sure a lot of people here would say the same but right now that's just the minority.

Sorry but I am tired of hearing about how lazy we are and if where for illegals we would have no produce.

Ditto that! Most of DH's family are farmers. DH's first job was picking veggies.

If I had a job outside of the home, there is no way I'd walk out. Being from Texas where you can daily see the effects of illegal immigrants, I have a very strong opinion that illegal immigrants should not receive benefits.

Granted, a lot of them do do work that some Americans don't want to. But I can guarantee that if those jobs were available, a lot more legal Americans would be working those jobs!

Walk-outs are pointless imo.

That's fine if it has an effect but I don't get the issue...They are ILLEGAL.... it's not just them doing meanial jobs.... it's that they get healthcare and schooling for their kids....but no taxes are paid.... Just do it legally and I could care less..... Walking out for a day isn't going to do anything.... but hey if that's what you want to do to make a statement go for it....

Hey here's my idea lets get all the marajuania smokers and stage a walk out to legalize Marajuania..... (i'm only up for it for medicinal purposes) it's an Illegal drug....Wahoo...Who's with me :D

Most do pay taxes. an really to be honest if people would take a history course they would see that if it wasnt for their immigrant realitives they wouldnt be here!!! It has just become racist people from places othr than latin countries immigrate here. Sorry it just pisses me off

Ditto that! Most of DH's family are farmers. DH's first job was picking veggies.

If I had a job outside of the home, there is no way I'd walk out. Being from Texas where you can daily see the effects of illegal immigrants, I have a very strong opinion that illegal immigrants should not receive benefits.

Granted, a lot of them do do work that some Americans don't want to. But I can guarantee that if those jobs were available, a lot more legal Americans would be working those jobs!

Walk-outs are pointless imo.
something similar to this HAS happened and MOST Americans WONT do these jobs

Nobody is stopping Americans from going to the fields and picking produce, being maids, gardeners....(the list goes on).......but they don't.

But Shaky they have to have a social security # in order to pay taxes, so they HAVE done their paperwork to obtain the social. If not, they are paying taxes in someone else's name...
they have a tax ID #

:lmao I didnt even understand the question either :lol


anyway....

I am fully aware where America "came" from. I am all for legal immigrants having all the same benefits as Americans. If they came here the correct way looking for a better life for themselves and their children, then I'm all for it. There is a right way to do everything.

Sneaking across the Texas boarder to have a baby in your 39th week is not the way to get benefits. I think that totally sucks and my mom sees it all the time as a OB nurse.

I am totally against illegal immigrants having any sort of job here. They need to follow protocol.

Most of the ilegals that I know are single young adults who have been here for years, they don't have kids, they have work their asses off still they are ilegals cause it's not easy to become legal, it's not like you are here, fill out a paper and wait to see what happen, they are here now, they don't want to be ilegal but they don't have any other option, they don't want to go back, they have go through a lot just to be where they are.

:lmao I didnt even understand the question either :lol


anyway....

I am fully aware where America "came" from. I am all for legal immigrants having all the same benefits as Americans. If they came here the correct way looking for a better life for themselves and their children, then I'm all for it. There is a right way to do everything.

Sneaking across the Texas boarder to have a baby in your 39th week is not the way to get benefits. I think that totally sucks and my mom sees it all the time as a OB nurse.

I am totally against illegal immigrants having any sort of job here. They need to follow protocol.

i completely agree. my mom stayed in korea for almost 2 years waiting for all the paperwork to be finished before she could join my dad in the states. and yes, i was already born. she could have used that to get here sooner, but she wasnt about to take shortcuts. she wanted to make sure everything was done the right way. and no my parents didnt have the money either. my dad was an E2 in the air force at the time and was making more at his part time bowling alley job than he did from the military. it's called pinching the pennies that you do have till you can do things the right way.

Yeah but you see the problem lies in the fact that BECAUSE there are illegal immigrants here that need work, the farming companies can afford to pay them as little as they want. Supply, demand. It's ridiculous to say the farming/produce industry would come to a halt if we stopped allowing illegal immigrants in the country. They would be forced to pay higher wages, and we in return would pay a little bit more for our bananas. Is paying 10 cents more for a bunch of bananas worth getting rid of the abuse of welfare, health benefits, college, etc? You bet your ass it is.

Becoming a legal citizen is hard for a reason.. if we just allowed every single person who wanted to come into this country with no rules or guidelines it would be mass chaos... And even more abuse on the system. I am fortunate to be born an American citizen, but my parents pay taxes, I pay taxes and so does my husband. LOTS OF THEM. And we work our asses off. So tell me how its fair that (before we were military) we have to pay 350 dollars a month for minimal healthcare, and then someone who has NEVER PAID A DIME into the system can get it for free? Tell me why they can go to school for free when I have bundles of student loans? It's such complete bullshit that we can't take care of our American citizens yet we are taking care of illegal aliens!!!! I mean seriously!

i completely agree. my mom stayed in korea for almost 2 years waiting for all the paperwork to be finished before she could join my dad in the states. and yes, i was already born. she could have used that to get here sooner, but she wasnt about to take shortcuts. she wanted to make sure everything was done the right way. and no my parents didnt have the money either. my dad was an E2 in the air force at the time and was making more at his part time bowling alley job than he did from the military. it's called pinching the pennies that you do have till you can do things the right way.
Your mom was lucky to have your dad here. What about the ones who doesnt have anyone? I totally agree if you have someone to claim you here and you can do things the right way then do it but what about those who don't have anyone?

Most of the ilegals that I know are single young adults who have been here for years, they don't have kids, they have work their asses off still they are ilegals cause it's not easy to become legal, it's not like you are here, fill out a paper and wait to see what happen, they are here now, they don't want to be ilegal but they don't have any other option, they don't want to go back, they have go through a lot just to be where they are.

I totally agree. What kills me is if you dont turn in illegals you are commiting a felony.wtf is that???How exactly is that going to help?? I mean do you REALLY think people are going to turn in family members or friends???? Sounds like ALOT of people going to jail if you ask me.....that sounds like that will cost the "Tax payers " money

There is alot of abuse of our welfare system and other benefits....

BUT That is NOT only because of immigrants....legal or illegal. I hat when people try to blame every thing on immigrants.....there are plenty of leaches that were born here.

(I am NOT talking about people who use various agencies.....while they need help...and then get off the DOLE.....I am talking about the ones that are LIFE LONG moochers)

Also, just because the its "hard" to become a legal citizen doesn't mean that they should have the right to do it illegally! I mean my coursework is hard, does that mean that I should just hack into the computer and change my grades? No, I have to do it course at a time, just like everyone!

Yeah but you see the problem lies in the fact that BECAUSE there are illegal immigrants here that need work, the farming companies can afford to pay them as little as they want. Supply, demand. It's ridiculous to say the farming/produce industry would come to a halt if we stopped allowing illegal immigrants in the country. They would be forced to pay higher wages, and we in return would pay a little bit more for our bananas. Is paying 10 cents more for a bunch of bananas worth getting rid of the abuse of welfare, health benefits, college, etc? You bet your ass it is.

Becoming a legal citizen is hard for a reason.. if we just allowed every single person who wanted to come into this country with no rules or guidelines it would be mass chaos... And even more abuse on the system. I am fortunate to be born an American citizen, but my parents pay taxes, I pay taxes and so does my husband. LOTS OF THEM. And we work our asses off. So tell me how its fair that (before we were military) we have to pay 350 dollars a month for minimal healthcare, and then someone who has NEVER PAID A DIME into the system can get it for free? Tell me why they can go to school for free when I have bundles of student loans? It's such complete bullshit that we can't take care of our American citizens yet we are taking care of illegal aliens!!!! I mean seriously!


I forgot to mention you NEED a ss# to get welfare and aid.

I'm not argueing the fact that people have it hard in other countries and they could have a better life here. I do have a heart, I feel for them.

What gets me is that people are breaking the laws of the country they so desperately want to be a part of. I know it's not easy to come here legally...I completely agree...that doesn't make it right to come here illegally. There are plenty of other countries that require paperwork and documentation etc. yet the US is left looking like the bad guy. Has anyone seen CA lately? We are running out of room for houses.

I will just say this...

I work for a hospital...my job is in Medi-cal, which is California Medicaid....which is medical insurance. You do not need a SSN# to get this, and it is free.

I see TONS of illegal immigrants everyday.

*edited to add* - I billed a $772,000 medical claim today for someone who does not have to pay for insurance....

I will just say this...

I work for a hospital...my job is in Medi-cal, which is California Medicaid....which is medical insurance. You do not need a SSN# to get this, and it is free.

I see TONS of illegal immigrants everyday.

*edited to add* - I billed a $772,000 medical claim today for someone who does not have to pay for insurance....
okay I check the medicae webpage and this is what it said:

many groups of people are covered by Medicaid. Even within these groups, though, certain requirements must be met. These may include your age, whether you are pregnant, disabled, blind, or aged; your income and resources (like bank accounts, real property, or other items that can be sold for cash); and whether you are a U.S. citizen or a lawfully admitted immigrant. The rules for counting your income and resources vary from state to state and from group to group. There are special rules for those who live in nursing homes and for disabled children living at home.



The lawfully addmitted immigrant are those who came here with papers


edited to add::: this is all I will say. I REALLY beieve alot of people not everyone is going off of what they hear on tv. This issue really needs to be researched and not people making decicions by others opinons

Well let me tell you, my bestfriend is ilegal and has been for the past 8 yrs. He and all the other ilegals that I know around him deserve to be here. They are ilegals not cause they want to, once again, all of them pay taxes, taxes that go to schools and taxes that go to the same places that my taxes and your taxes go to.

I will just say this...

I work for a hospital...my job is in Medi-cal, which is California Medicaid....which is medical insurance. You do not need a SSN# to get this, and it is free.

I see TONS of illegal immigrants everyday.

*edited to add* - I billed a $772,000 medical claim today for someone who does not have to pay for insurance....


I hear ya. I use to do it every day too. Sometimes it's hard to believe! I remember my first patient with that scenario. I couldn't comprehend how I was billing medicaid of ga for someone without a social. They have to have one right? Nope...there are ways around it and they were treated for dialysis three times a week. And you know what dialysis costs, I'm sure.

I forgot to mention you NEED a ss# to get welfare and aid.

Your right, I should not have said welfare and aid... I was generalizing and that is inaccurate. I should have said that illegal aliens get free healthcare (a hospital cannot deny care to anyone), take advantage of "homeless facilities" and shelters (where food and shelter is provided by partial public donations, partial tax payer money), abuse of the unemployment program and SSI.

Not to mention, that just because an alien doesn't have a "real" social security number, doens't mean they don't steal, share, or lie about them.

Your right, I should not have said welfare and aid... I was generalizing and that is inaccurate. I should have said that illegal aliens get free healthcare (a hospital cannot deny care to anyone), take advantage of "homeless facilities" and shelters (where food and shelter is provided by partial public donations, partial tax payer money), abuse of the unemployment program and SSI.

Not to mention, that just because an alien doesn't have a "real" social security number, doens't mean they don't steal, share, or lie about them.
Well Americans Steal too

Its not a question of anyone deserving to be here or not. GO THRU PROTOCOL!!!!!!


A few days ago dateline or 20/20 did a show on people who have over come the odds. Bon Jovi was on there. But also a couple from Mexico with their 3 children came over and dug thru trash every night for 25 years to sell the recyclables. They worked hard, took no government assistance, became legal, and put their 3 children thru college by digging in peoples trash.

Those people didnt let anything get in their way. They gave no excuses, worked hard, followed protocol and made a great life for themselves and their children.

So the excuse that its not easy doesnt fly with me.

Well Americans Steal too


Wow, profound argument there. Of course Americans steal. What does that have to do with illegal immigrants coming here? And to argue your "point" Americans have that right by being lucky enough to be born here.

Its not a question of anyone deserving to be here or not. GO THRU PROTOCOL!!!!!!


A few days ago dateline or 20/20 did a show on people who have over come the odds. Bon Jovi was on there. But also a couple from Mexico with their 3 children came over and dug thru trash every night for 25 years to sell the recyclables. They worked hard, took no government assistance, became legal, and put their 3 children thru college by digging in peoples trash.

Those people didnt let anything get in their way. They gave no excuses, worked hard, followed protocol and made a great life for themselves and their children.

So the excuse that its not easy doesnt fly with me.
Right and I agree. Not everyone(immigrants) use assistace. i think it is unfair to those who are doing what they need to do however there are thosedoing what they need to do.I also feel that this issue has because completly racist.and that is wrong.this issue needs to focus on ALL immigrant not primarily those of latin desecnt

Its not a question of anyone deserving to be here or not. GO THRU PROTOCOL!!!!!!


A few days ago dateline or 20/20 did a show on people who have over come the odds. Bon Jovi was on there. But also a couple from Mexico with their 3 children came over and dug thru trash every night for 25 years to sell the recyclables. They worked hard, took no government assistance, became legal, and put their 3 children thru college by digging in peoples trash.

Those people didnt let anything get in their way. They gave no excuses, worked hard, followed protocol and made a great life for themselves and their children.

So the excuse that its not easy doesnt fly with me.

:five I agree 100%

Right and I agree. Not everyone(immigrants) use assistace. i think it is unfair to those who are doing what they need to do however there are thosedoing what they need to do.I also feel that this issue has because completly racist.and that is wrong.this issue needs to focus on ALL immigrant not primarily those of latin desecnt


Where did it go racist? This argument has nothing to do with immigrants, we are talking about ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. People who broke the laws of the United States government to come into this country.

Right and I agree. Not everyone(immigrants) use assistace. i think it is unfair to those who are doing what they need to do however there are thosedoing what they need to do.I also feel that this issue has because completly racist.and that is wrong.this issue needs to focus on ALL immigrant not primarily those of latin desecnt


i could careless what nationality someone is.... illegal is illegal. and that doesnt change depending on what color someones skin is. they are committing a crime for coming here illegally and they should be punished and so should those that help them. someone who helps a murderer is punished... what is the difference?

Wow, profound argument there. Of course Americans steal. What does that have to do with illegal immigrants coming here? And to argue your "point" Americans have that right by being lucky enough to be born here.
well on the saame token land of the free is what we stand for?...i mean this is why people come here. i didnt say it should be easy I am just saying not all immigrant fall into this stereo type. I quess we were all lucky that our immigrant ancestors stole land from indigenous peoples so we could be born here and free huh???

i dont think its racist. It might seem like it because a good majority of the illegal immigrants are Mexico and other countries in that area.

edited cuz I really dunno all about this ;)

I quess we were all lucky that our immigrant ancestors stole land from indigenous peoples so we could be born here and free huh???


people all thru history have conquered weaker nations. Its how life changes and grows. one day it might be us.

No question of race for me. I don't care if you're purple. :)

My arguement is in the here and now and the effects it is having on us at the time.

people all thru history have conquered weaker nations. Its how life changes and grows. one day it might be us.

:yes It's the law. Without any other argument, it is illegal. They are breaking the law. Life isn't fair, and if someone thinks that they are deserved American citizenship because their life is hard in another country and that gives them the right to come across a border into the country, and then protest that they aren't getting fair rights is completely ridiculous. It's not a race issue or anything else.

:yes It's the law. Without any other argument, it is illegal. They are breaking the law. Life isn't fair, and if someone thinks that they are deserved American citizenship because their life is hard in another country and that gives them the right to come across a border into the country, and then protest that they aren't getting fair rights is completely ridiculous. It's not a race issue or anything else.

AMEN!!

most people who come here "illegally" in the beginnig work hard and get throught it and become citizens.choices you make in the beging arent ALWAYs they same you make in the end. and if it werent for those people majority of us wouldnt be here to argue this.lol its crazy how we can argue this and fustrated....we all ahve opinions ans thats what makes us great no need to get miffed. My grandparents came here illegally a long ass time ago are were illeagl for a long time put they work their asses off and paid taxes and eventually became citizens so it can be done

lol playing devils advocate sucks...you ladies are harsh.I had a good laugh

lol glad we could entertain you :hugs

I am happy to have a diverse group to argue with.you ladies are great

For me, the bottom line is that, Yes, there are illegal immigrants who work, pay taxes and so forth...but there are plenty who do not, and we can't have one set of rules for them, and another set of rules for the people who are trying to go about it the right way.

We have laws and regulations for a reason...and EVERYONE must obey them. If you choose not to, then you have to be willing to accept the punishment.

The minute we change such a crucial law in the protection of our borders, we undermine the judicial system to a point that any law we have today can be revoked if enough people stand up and say it's not fair. What if 450,000 young adult males walked out of work, marched on the White House and demanded that date rape be legal? Is this ok? It's their right, they feel it should be legal, and it's their duty to do this, as a US citizen.
While this analogy is a far stretch, the basis of the argument isn't. What this tells a US Citizen is that the supports of this country, our legal and judicial systems, are for hire.
So to help out, we start outsourcing jobs. Give the illegals a reason to stay in their own country. Oooohhh.. but now, we have to worry about our OWN unemployment rate. So that rules that out.
How about we lock the borders down tighter, start taking these Americans who have been drawing welfare for the last 10 years, had 38 different fast food jobs, a dozen kids and living in section 8, move them out to the places that need the work done, government contract them out to the businesses that qualify for assistance, and let them earn their keep for a while?
Think that's a little harsh? Maybe. Irrational? Maybe. Just as harsh and irrational as opening the door to our borders and giving whoever passes through complete and full citizenship.
The US is looking at this as an investment, however. If they make them citizens, they must pay taxes. They AREN'T taking into consideration the simple fact that THEY ARE IMMIGRANTS. When they get here, they have no home, no address, no car, no money and often, nowhere to go.. California will become a tent city. Take that, Economy!
So... what's the best solution? Lock the borders down and start fining businesses that have illegal immigrants. And I don't mean some $50 a head fine.. I mean $100,000 per illegal per year. Add up how much that illegal cost us in medical insurance, and we'd still lose out. But I'm certain that NO employer would be willing to shell out that much money if he got caught.
Again, just as with drugs, the problem lies in the Middle Class. Start crucifying these middle class owners that hire immigrants and the bankers that launder drug money and suddenly the problem goes away. Wierd.

Edited to add: Oh yeah.. and this belongs in the debate forum :)

Its not a question of anyone deserving to be here or not. GO THRU PROTOCOL!!!!!!


A few days ago dateline or 20/20 did a show on people who have over come the odds. Bon Jovi was on there. But also a couple from Mexico with their 3 children came over and dug thru trash every night for 25 years to sell the recyclables. They worked hard, took no government assistance, became legal, and put their 3 children thru college by digging in peoples trash.

Those people didnt let anything get in their way. They gave no excuses, worked hard, followed protocol and made a great life for themselves and their children.

So the excuse that its not easy doesnt fly with me.


I agree 110% :five

I saw that episode of Dateline too ;)


If you want to live and work here, go through the proper protocol and become an American citizen! There is no excuse, and I WILL NOT tolerate illegal aliens....period!

ETA that I am not necessarily talking about the Hispanic race, since I myself am half Cuban. It's for ANYONE who is here illegally

Are you speaking of "illegal immigrant" as someone who has a green card and papers just not a US citizen? Or someone who snuck in without any green card or authorization? Sorry for sounding ignorant just confused. If you have a green card and the proper papers... then that is proper protocal correct? Those people aren't breaking the law by being here. Sneaking over borders isn't the proper way to do it... I dated a Mexican guy for 4 years in highschool and his family was for a small town outside of Ft Myers where I was the minority and they new tons and tons of people there and up here in North FL that came over from Mexico with green cards to work and send money to their familys. They were just trying to make better lives for their families. . . But, maybe Im miscontruing the whole subject matter due to my 1st question...

I was speaking only of the ones who are totally illegal.

The Green Card is the slang term for a Work Visa. That person is here legally, for a short period of time. It's kind of like us needing a passport to take a vacation to England for a week.

I agree though... citizenship may not be the easiest thing to achieve but I know people who through hell or high water was going to get it done to get for themselves and family. We have a guy who works for us now whose tryign to get his citizenship he is from the Phillipines. And has been trying to get his wife and kids over here for about 4 years now... its so sad but he works his A$$ off and send over all he can and still is working on getting everything taken care of for his family. Hes a wonderful guy.... one that shows that no matter how hard he will overcome

Ok April! Then my stand there is NO that isn't the proper way to go about working here and taking advantage of what this country offers. There are many immigrants who come here with work visas and do it the "right" way till they can achieve their citizenship... why can't they? Not many people I have known or of on work visas from other countrys are rich or have any other advantage over the others that come over totally illegally.

I actaully did do that, pick apples, pears, blueberries you name it. My husband did, his brothers did, my brother did, my cousions did. Most of my family did and we are not immigrants or illegals. Illegal people are not the only ones that are willing to do hard farm labor work.

Sorry but I am tired of hearing about how lazy we are, and how if it were not for the illegal immigrants we wouldn't have any produce.
I completely agree, my family still owns farms back home!!!
Oh and how many of the illegals work in chicken houses???
I know I did and I am not illegal!

You are right illegals and immigrants are not the only ones who do hard farm labor....but they are the majority.
No they aren't
I guess it depends on the state and such!

Alot of my friends I knew growing up worked their A$$ off all the time and all through the summer with their parents farming... especially like watermelons and peanuts and things like that cause thats real popular here. And they were just good ole red necked farm boys/girl. I know that is very common here in the South lol

Wow, profound argument there. Of course Americans steal. What does that have to do with illegal immigrants coming here? And to argue your "point" Americans have that right by being lucky enough to be born here.
Very well said Rileysmom
Proudac what the hell does that have to do with illegals crossing the border? lol

i could careless what nationality someone is.... illegal is illegal. and that doesnt change depending on what color someones skin is. they are committing a crime for coming here illegally and they should be punished and so should those that help them. someone who helps a murderer is punished... what is the difference?
I agree 100% Donna
Way to say it

well on the saame token land of the free is what we stand for?...i mean this is why people come here. i didnt say it should be easy I am just saying not all immigrant fall into this stereo type. I quess we were all lucky that our immigrant ancestors stole land from indigenous peoples so we could be born here and free huh???
Well Not all of us are from Immigrant ancestors all the way
There are so many cheerokees (full blooded) in my family that maybe I should start marking indian on my applications and such!

Nope, I'm for the legislation.

Very well said Rileysmom
Proudac what the hell does that have to do with illegals crossing the border? lol
nothing...i wasnt serious

OK just making sure :D

OK just making sure :D

lol. :lmao

Cinco de Mayo is not mexicos independence day.....Its September 16th, just wanted to clarify. Cinco de Mayo features a brief historical account of the holiday which celebrates the victory of Mexican soldiers over the French in 1862. I am definitely proud of my chicana decent....and while I would never walk out of my job a protest period, I can see why many are.

moving this to debates! :D

My friend Amanda is "wanna-be" Mexican, and she talked to the principal of this school, and because its a civil protest, they can't stop anyone from walking out of school.
theres alot of people here who are doing it.

If we teach our children that it is ok to walk out of school because they don't agree with something, we are not teaching them the right thing. We should be teaching them what they CAN do to try to change things. Write letters to senators. VOTE! Do what you can that is LEGAL. This Illegal Immigrant issues is about the law. People have come here from other countries Legally. They went thru the steps to become Legal Immigrants. Laws are laws. If we just let people come in the country illegally, we are putting our safety at risk. Look at the terrorists of 9/11. How many of them were here on expired visas? ILLEGALS! Not talking about just Mexican border jumpers. This Illegal Immigrant issue is about ALL Illegals. Yes, the Mexican illegal population is the one most talked about because they do have alot of service related jobs. Yes, the American people will be affected if all are sent packing back to Mexico, but there is a reason behind the laws.

If we teach our children that it is ok to walk out of school because they don't agree with something, we are not teaching them the right thing. We should be teaching them what they CAN do to try to change things. Write letters to senators. VOTE! Do what you can that is LEGAL. This Illegal Immigrant issues is about the law. People have come here from other countries Legally. They went thru the steps to become Legal Immigrants. Laws are laws. If we just let people come in the country illegally, we are putting our safety at risk. Look at the terrorists of 9/11. How many of them were here on expired visas? ILLEGALS! Not talking about just Mexican border jumpers. This Illegal Immigrant issue is about ALL Illegals. Yes, the Mexican illegal population is the one most talked about because they do have alot of service related jobs. Yes, the American people will be affected if all are sent packing back to Mexico, but there is a reason behind the laws.


:agree well said :five

If we teach our children that it is ok to walk out of school because they don't agree with something, we are not teaching them the right thing. We should be teaching them what they CAN do to try to change things. Write letters to senators. VOTE! Do what you can that is LEGAL. This Illegal Immigrant issues is about the law. People have come here from other countries Legally. They went thru the steps to become Legal Immigrants. Laws are laws. If we just let people come in the country illegally, we are putting our safety at risk. Look at the terrorists of 9/11. How many of them were here on expired visas? ILLEGALS! Not talking about just Mexican border jumpers. This Illegal Immigrant issue is about ALL Illegals. Yes, the Mexican illegal population is the one most talked about because they do have alot of service related jobs. Yes, the American people will be affected if all are sent packing back to Mexico, but there is a reason behind the laws.

I can understand the basic point of your post, however...... mexican border jumpers?? I dont get the point of it having to be worded like that? Definitely uncalled for....and an ignorant statement. :lame

I can understand the basic point of your post, however...... mexican border jumpers?? I dont get the point of it having to be worded like that? Definitely uncalled for....and an ignorant statement. :lame

I apologize if I offended you or anyone else. I was just going off of previous posts - and that term was used.

I apologize if I offended you or anyone else. I was just going off of previous posts - and that term was used.


You have to understand its okay for SOME people to use what may be considered racial slurs.... but for others its not ;)

What I would consider "mexican border jumpers" would be people coming from Mexico into the United States by illegally crossing the border...I did not take that as a racial slur. I'm a little confused as to why it was taken in that context??

What I would consider "mexican border jumpers" would be people coming from Mexico into the United States by illegally crossing the border...I did not take that as a racial slur. I'm a little confused as to why it was taken in that context??

That's exactly what I took it as....crossing the border illegally. Wasn't aware there was any racial slur implied.

I saw nothing offensive about it ;)

Part of the reason why the term "Mexican Border Jumpers" is highly offensive is because it "implies" all illegals/immigrants are Mexican.

Also in the American society often times all people of Latin Decent are group in as being Mexican. After being called something over and over you are not becomes offensive.

HTH

I look at the term "Mexican Border Jumpers" as exactly that - ANYONE that jumps the Mexican border - whether they are Mexican, French, Italian - whatever. Fact is, the LARGE majority of 'border jumpers' are Mexican.

Part of the reason why the term "Mexican Border Jumpers" is highly offensive is because it "implies" all illegals/immigrants are Mexican.

Also in the American society often times all people of Latin Decent are group in as being Mexican. After being called something over and over you are not becomes offensive.

HTH

Exactly....
Thats fine that most of you dont find that comment offensive, I however did. I am of that descent, at least half of me is and it really bothered me. "Mexican" border jumpers?? come on now....a more respectful term would be illegal border crossers. Whether one person or everybody finds it offensive, doesnt make it any less disrespectful to the people who find it offensive.

I look at the term "Mexican Border Jumpers" as exactly that - ANYONE that jumps the Mexican border - whether they are Mexican, French, Italian - whatever. Fact is, the LARGE majority of 'border jumpers' are Mexican.

That is honestly even more ignorant of a comment.....we can just stop with this, cause it is going nowhere. Anyone that jumps the mexican border??? cause its soo many other races that are coming from Mexico to the US...whatever :bullcrap

ok ok people who jump the Mexico/American border. We must remember not to use the term Mexican :rolleyes

ok ok people who jump the Mexico/American border. We must remember not to use the term Mexican :rolleyes

Whatever April....

Its not the term Mexican, its how you use it that IS offensive.

she was speaking of the Mexican border. No one said "that dirty mexican" Get off her back.

More then half the illegal immigrants are from Mexico and thus more than half the problem

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/0603/charts.immigration/frameset.exclude.html

More then half the illegal immigrants are from Mexico and thus more than half the problem

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/us/0603/charts.immigration/frameset.exclude.html


Im done with this topic, you are the last person I would waste time arguing with. Plus this is a topic that could go in circles for hours.....I took offense to the term "mexican border jumpers" and definitely feel it could have been worded differently, however she apologized and that was that. You however have continued with your comments....so why dont you drop it and go take care of your daycare kids!

Regardless of how anyone feels.....I will still be walking out on said date.....and any other said dates to follow what I believe.

I am greatful that I had the parents and grandparents I have that taught me I can make a difference.....and sometimes even if it is not your direct cause per say stand up for what you believe.

If there were never any marches or rallies in this country there would still be Jim Crow Laws. So I will follow my heart.

Marches, rallies and boycotts do work....Cesar Chavez and Martin Luther King, Jr were fine examples of peaceful deminstration.

I a fortunate enough to have met Cesar Chavez participate in the lettuce boycott.

My intentions were never to have this turn into a debate.....that is why I put it in the General Forum.

I am sorry that there were heated words and racial slurs used.....whether or not they were intended to be racial.....that is how they were taken in many cases.

I am posting this in hopes it will CLOSE this topic and we can all move on.

Thank you

~*DIAMOND*~

....so why dont you drop it and go take care of your daycare kids!


Its nap time and they are all sleeping:D

It is every American's right and duty to protest that which they have a conviction for or against.

This is why it's legal to stand beside the family members of a slain soldier's funeral, holding a sign saying "Rot In Hell".

However, there is the moral issue to deal with. We judge each other on our morality every single day - and the basis we use for that judgment is the laws voted on, approved and put into place by our elected leaders. If this legislation passes, a huge portion of Americans will lose their faith in our leadership, even if just a little bit. What was an arrestible yesterday is now completely ok?

This isn't like a Texan having a pair of wire cutters in his back pocket - which is illegal in Texas. So tell me: What's stopping a couple dozen Al-Qaeda cells out of Canada and Mexico from just driving a few dirty bombs into downtown Chicago? If this thing passes, the answer is NOTHING.

And if you'll excuse me, I'll hold every single member of this "Day of great Patriotism" responsible for the countless deaths caused by such a catastrophe. But I'm bitter like that.

If you want this debate closed, Diamond, then I can close it - but I'm pretty certain it will resurface as another debate by next week. This topic has struck a chord with a LOT of people (Even the guys at work are getting pretty agitated by it). This has even affected me even more than I thought it would, and certainly more than it SHOULD. If you'd like this closed, just let me know. I just don't think it will do any good - the ball's rolling already.

Most of the ilegals that I know are single young adults who have been here for years, they don't have kids, they have work their asses off still they are ilegals cause it's not easy to become legal, it's not like you are here, fill out a paper and wait to see what happen, they are here now, they don't want to be ilegal but they don't have any other option, they don't want to go back, they have go through a lot just to be where they are.

It is not that hard to become a legal immigrant, all you need is to get a green card. Now if you have done something illegal in your country your right it is probably harder to get a green card. But other than that it is easy. They all have options we all do, we could do work in a field picking blueberries and stuff but we also have the option to work at a business office. They have options to come here legally or not. If they choose to come here illegally then they need to be deported. America gives them options they just don't use them.

It is not that hard to become a legal immigrant, all you need is to get a green card. Now if you have done something illegal in your country your right it is probably harder to get a green card. But other than that it is easy. They all have options we all do, we could do work in a field picking blueberries and stuff but we also have the option to work at a business office. They have options to come here legally or not. If they choose to come here illegally then they need to be deported. America gives them options they just don't use them.


Have you ever TRIED getting a green card? Let me tell you, it is NOT easy. There are a million different forms to fill out, medical exams to get, not to mention the COST of getting an adjustment of status (So far DH and I have paid $200 for medical stuff, $750 for a lawyer to help us (another $750 is due at the end of the process), not to forget about $900 for the different forms including working permit etc).

Have you ever TRIED getting a green card? Let me tell you, it is NOT easy. There are a million different forms to fill out, medical exams to get, not to mention the COST of getting an adjustment of status (So far DH and I have paid $200 for medical stuff, $750 for a lawyer to help us (another $750 is due at the end of the process), not to forget about $900 for the different forms including working permit etc).

NO I haven't tried to get a green card I was born and breed in this wonderful country and you know what if you want to come to our country and work then you should have to fill out some paper work and and it shouldn't be free for all of you to come to America. Why should we cater to other countries citizens? You want to come and work and live here and enjoy our country then you should have to pay. If you want to come to America to complain that you have to pay suck it or don't come.

Okay, so as long as you have no idea what it entails to actually get a green card don't say it's easy. And what to you mean by "all of you"??? Who said anything about catering to 'other countries' citizens? And if I want to complain I WILL complain. Nothing YOU can do about that.

NO I haven't tried to get a green card I was born and breed in this wonderful country and you know what if you want to come to our country and work then you should have to fill out some paper work and and it shouldn't be free for all of you to come to America. Why should we cater to other countries citizens? You want to come and work and live here and enjoy our country then you should have to pay. If you want to come to America to complain that you have to pay suck it or don't come.

I can tell you've never try. Not because you fill out a form to get a green card that doesnt mean you will get one. No, not becuase you don't get one that doesnt mean you have done something ilegal in your country.

Okay, so as long as you have no idea what it entails to actually get a green card don't say it's easy. And what to you mean by "all of you"??? Who said anything about catering to 'other countries' citizens? And if I want to complain I WILL complain. Nothing YOU can do about that.

I mean by "all of you means all people that try to get one and other countries we don't need one, you only need one if you are not a legal citizen. You do have that right to complain but if you are coming to our country then you should just deal with doing some paper work. And as far as people not always getting a green card that probably means that you have done something wrong, why would we turn you down for no reason if you want to come? We don't turn down people for no reason. I do know about this subject since my father works for Immigration. I was just stating my opinion and I am sorry if I offended any of you.

That is honestly even more ignorant of a comment.....we can just stop with this, cause it is going nowhere. Anyone that jumps the mexican border??? cause its soo many other races that are coming from Mexico to the US...whatever :bullcrap

Actually lots of Chinese and south east asians have chosen this route here in the recent years. They take a ship to Mexico... then come across the Mexican Border.... not that it matters, just stating a fact.

I can see how you are offended by the comment, and Im not belittling your feelings.:dunno

Well regardless of how hard it is to get a VISA or citizenship, and I do believe that it is hard, it is still not right to come here illegally.

It is not a race thing to me, it doesn't matter if it is a white European, an Arab, an Australian, a Mexican, or someone from Africa. There is no reason to do it illegally. If everything in life were that easy, it would not be worthwhile. There is nothing wrong with going through the process legally, which is what this argument was initially about.

Well regardless of how hard it is to get a VISA or citizenship, and I do believe that it is hard, it is still not right to come here illegally.

It is not a race thing to me, it doesn't matter if it is a white European, an Arab, an Australian, a Mexican, or someone from Africa. There is no reason to do it illegally. If everything in life were that easy, it would not be worthwhile. There is nothing wrong with going through the process legally, which is what this argument was initially about.

:agree, you couldn't have said it better, that was my point I just should have come out and said like that. :thumbsup

Have you ever TRIED getting a green card? Let me tell you, it is NOT easy. There are a million different forms to fill out, medical exams to get, not to mention the COST of getting an adjustment of status (So far DH and I have paid $200 for medical stuff, $750 for a lawyer to help us (another $750 is due at the end of the process), not to forget about $900 for the different forms including working permit etc).

Im not understanding why its costing you so much. Ive waited in line at the immigration office in San Diego many times.... for HOURS... and yes it does take a lot of waiting, and patience, but all the girls I waited with, paid about $150 (actually the state of CA paid it but thats another post) and then had to wait up to 6 months to get their legalization paperwork, social security number etc.

Well regardless of how hard it is to get a VISA or citizenship, and I do believe that it is hard, it is still not right to come here illegally.

It is not a race thing to me, it doesn't matter if it is a white European, an Arab, an Australian, a Mexican, or someone from Africa. There is no reason to do it illegally. If everything in life were that easy, it would not be worthwhile. There is nothing wrong with going through the process legally, which is what this argument was initially about.

:agree

I have mixed feelings about this topic. Partly because I'm not fully educated about it all. It's the end of the semester and after doing all my hw, I just don't feel like thinking any more lol.

So this is my slightly uneducated opinion.

1. I can see the need for immigration laws. However, I don't think we are seeing the long term implications on this country and we're ignoring the humanitarian aspect.
2. I think we should make it easier/more streamlined to get into this country. No, illegal immigrants are not the only people working the sucky jobs, but damn they are a lot. So let's give the people green cards to keep those jobs.

3. Are they going to deport the illegals that are here now? That's just a stupid waste of $$, in my opinion. If they're already here, just let them stay. They're already established here, so it's not going to do us or them good to make them leave.

4. We all pay sales tax, that is one way illegals pay tax. They pay rent to their landlord, and part of that rent $$ goes towards taxes. Those are just 2 examples off the top of my head of how they pay taxes. I'm sure there are more.

5. It must be pretty sucky to be an illegal immigrant here, so it just makes me think how bad life might be in their country of origin that they're willing to risk so much, even their lives sometimes, to be here and work a crap job for barely any $$. If we're going to not let people into the country, I would like to see efforts made to help people who want to come into this country so bad.

Example: I work w/ someone who is originally from Cambodia (she is here legally, btw). It really sucks to live there, at least from the town her family is from. Basically everyone has PTSD and is fearful of their life all the time. Her family was lucky enough to have the $$ to come here legally. Many people there are so poor that they do not and will never have the opportunity to get that kind of $$. It is worth the risk to come here because working a crap job is better than life back home.

I just think it's so easy for us to say that we need all these rules and that people should do all this stuff, when we can't see their point of view at all. I just hope that I am never put in the same position that they are.

Btw, I also realize that not all immigrants or illegals are in a similar situation to what I mentioned above. I assume that most illegals are in some type of situation like that, but I have no factual evidence to base this on.

Why is it so hard for some people to get a green card? Look at Kristina. She's already studied in the US and she's a bright person who could contribute in positive ways to American society. She's already married to an American, so just let her get her stuff together and let's be done with it.

Actually lots of Chinese and south east asians have chosen this route here in the recent years. They take a ship to Mexico... then come across the Mexican Border.... not that it matters, just stating a fact.

I can see how you are offended by the comment, and Im not belittling your feelings.:dunno

It wasnt anything you said Apryl! :lovestruck Thanks for understanding.....

I wasnt aware of that being done at all....something else to research! :lol Thanks for clarifying that for me though.... :)

I have mixed feelings about this topic. Partly because I'm not fully educated about it all. It's the end of the semester and after doing all my hw, I just don't feel like thinking any more lol.

So this is my slightly uneducated opinion.

1. I can see the need for immigration laws. However, I don't think we are seeing the long term implications on this country and we're ignoring the humanitarian aspect.
2. I think we should make it easier/more streamlined to get into this country. No, illegal immigrants are not the only people working the sucky jobs, but damn they are a lot. So let's give the people green cards to keep those jobs.

3. Are they going to deport the illegals that are here now? That's just a stupid waste of $$, in my opinion. If they're already here, just let them stay. They're already established here, so it's not going to do us or them good to make them leave.

4. We all pay sales tax, that is one way illegals pay tax. They pay rent to their landlord, and part of that rent $$ goes towards taxes. Those are just 2 examples off the top of my head of how they pay taxes. I'm sure there are more.

5. It must be pretty sucky to be an illegal immigrant here, so it just makes me think how bad life might be in their country of origin that they're willing to risk so much, even their lives sometimes, to be here and work a crap job for barely any $$. If we're going to not let people into the country, I would like to see efforts made to help people who want to come into this country so bad.

Example: I work w/ someone who is originally from Cambodia (she is here legally, btw). It really sucks to live there, at least from the town her family is from. Basically everyone has PTSD and is fearful of their life all the time. Her family was lucky enough to have the $$ to come here legally. Many people there are so poor that they do not and will never have the opportunity to get that kind of $$. It is worth the risk to come here because working a crap job is better than life back home.

I just think it's so easy for us to say that we need all these rules and that people should do all this stuff, when we can't see their point of view at all. I just hope that I am never put in the same position that they are.

Btw, I also realize that not all immigrants or illegals are in a similar situation to what I mentioned above. I assume that most illegals are in some type of situation like that, but I have no factual evidence to base this on.

Why is it so hard for some people to get a green card? Look at Kristina. She's already studied in the US and she's a bright person who could contribute in positive ways to American society. She's already married to an American, so just let her get her stuff together and let's be done with it.


:thumbsup VERY well said Lauren.....I agree with everything you said! :five

Well I'm definitely for the law. IMO Back in the days people wanted to come here and make a better life for themselves and they wanted to be americans. Nowadays they're just coming here trying to turn the US into their country. Poverish and out of control

Ok here are MY feelings about this and I'm sorry in advance if I say something that hurts someone’s feelings.

I think people NEED to learn ENGLISH I am tired of going to places and getting looked at funny because I don't know Spanish. I think people should be able to come here legally following the law (this applies to anyone from any county that comes here). I think is America doesn’t apply its boarder laws and lets anyone from any country in without checking to see if they are criminals, or terrorists then we are leaving our country open to another attack. The people from any county that just want to live here and have a right to do so.

Ok here are MY feelings about this and I'm sorry in advance if I say something that hurts someone’s feelings.

I think people NEED to learn ENGLISH I am tired of going to places and getting looked at funny because I don't know Spanish. I think people should be able to come here legally following the law (this applies to anyone from any county that comes here). I think is America doesn’t apply its boarder laws and lets anyone from any country in without checking to see if they are criminals, or terrorists then we are leaving our country open to another attack. The people from any county that just want to live here and have a right to do so.


:agree

That's fine if it has an effect but I don't get the issue...They are ILLEGAL.... it's not just them doing meanial jobs.... it's that they get healthcare and schooling for their kids....but no taxes are paid.... Just do it legally and I could care less..... Walking out for a day isn't going to do anything.... but hey if that's what you want to do to make a statement go for it....

Hey here's my idea lets get all the marajuania smokers and stage a walk out to legalize Marajuania..... (i'm only up for it for medicinal purposes) it's an Illegal drug....Wahoo...Who's with me :D
:lmao :lmao I'm with ya....:)
I dont we should kick anyone out BUT we do need stricter laws....My mom fought to come to this country and stay. She HAD to SPEAK ENGLISH and pass tests on American History. No days people do not have to do that theri is no pride in where we live. My county pays extra taxes which support health care for illegal immigrants...but not those who are down on their luck.
NICE.