What are the difference in "job" between

Electronics Technician
Electrician's Mate
Machinist's Mate
?

all I really know is that training for the first two is 6 months, and the last one is 3 months, plus training after that...

I looked in this little book and it doesnt say anything, and if my boy knows he's not saying anything either, because he's playing video games. My my hunch is that he doesnt know since 10 minutes ago he recited French...:arg


UPDATE on post 128

MM are the mechanics EM's are the electricians and ET's are the computer people...

mm's are the most common and I think they take up like 50% of nukes

Dh is an electricians mate on a sub. He does things like connecting shore power, working on the power supply, running wires, fixing random things like clothes dryers... anything that has to do with power, he does it. It's a great rate for advancement and bonuses.

I don't know much about the other two.

MM are the mechanics EM's are the electricians and ET's are the computer people...

mm's are the most common and I think they take up like 50% of nukes

"take up"? Use or manage or what?

or by "nukes" do you mean that career path?

She means 50% of nukes are MMs.

She means 50% of nukes are MMs.

yes that is what I meant

She means 50% of nukes are MMs.

Does that mean that after E-5 it's harder to get promoted?

I have no idea but my DB became e-4 like 5 months after he joined, 3 months after he got out of bct

Dh is an electricians mate on a sub. He does things like connecting shore power, working on the power supply, running wires, fixing random things like clothes dryers... anything that has to do with power, he does it. It's a great rate for advancement and bonuses.

I don't know much about the other two.

Does he like it? Or is it boring? He reports to an electrician I take it?

Does he like it? Or is it boring? He reports to an electrician I take it?


I think that out of all the jobs he could have done on a sub, he is happy to have this one. He doesn't like it every day, but in general he's satisfied with his choice. Sea duty is never boring for him. Shore duty was boring at times, but that was more about mismanagement than his rate.

He reports to his chief, who is also an EM, and I *think* that in general his division is kind of under the engineer of the boat. I THINK. :giggle

I think any job in the Navy can be good or bad depending on two things - the sailor's attitude, and the command's attitude. Regardless of what they do.

I have no idea but my DB became e-4 like 5 months after he joined, 3 months after he got out of bct

Yeah. I've heard that up until e-5 it's based on time unless you mess up, then after that you have to do something special...I'm spacy today so I cant think of it but you cant get automatically promoted based on the amount of time you've been enlisted after E-5... I am a space cadet right now...I guess you test after E-5. ? :glasses

I think that out of all the jobs he could have done on a sub, he is happy to have this one. He doesn't like it every day, but in general he's satisfied with his choice. Sea duty is never boring for him. Shore duty was boring at times, but that was more about mismanagement than his rate.

He reports to his chief, who is also an EM, and I *think* that in general his division is kind of under the engineer of the boat. I THINK. :giggle

I think any job in the Navy can be good or bad depending on two things - the sailor's attitude, and the command's attitude. Regardless of what they do.

Thats def true!! Did your hubby go to college first?

I have no idea but my DB became e-4 like 5 months after he joined, 3 months after he got out of bct

It's pretty much that way with all nukes. E-4 is automatic as soon as they graduate A School unless they get in some kind of trouble. They advance quick. All Nuke rates advance well because they are undermanned. All Nuke rates advance at about the same rate. ET advancement is more than 90% right now, so as of right now they have a higher advancement rate.

Nuke EM's are electricians... They over see and and perform maintenance on the electrical generation throughout the ship.

Nuke MM's are mechanics... They over see reactor fluid systems and steam systems.

Nuke ET's are Electronics techs... They over see electronics associated with the reactor protection and control systems.


My husband is an EMC.

Thats def true!! Did your hubby go to college first?


He dropped out of college after freshman year and enlisted. On shore duty, he took classes at night to get his Associate's, and he's hoping to finish his bachelor's, but isn't sure how to do that on sea duty. :confused

Yeah. I've heard that up until e-5 it's based on time unless you mess up, then after that you have to do something special...I'm spacy today so I cant think of it but you cant get automatically promoted based on the amount of time you've been enlisted after E-5... I am a space cadet right now...I guess you test after E-5. ? :glasses

E-5 isn't given to you unless you star reenlist it's given to you.. if you do not star reenlist then you have to take a test. Same for E-6. E-7 is also a test but if you pass that your record goes in front of a selection board and they are hand picked. After that you don't test anymore, your record is just sent to a board when you're eligible.

You have to have at least 6 years service in and you have to have been an E-6 for 3 years for you to start taking the test for E-7.

You have to be an E-5 for 3 years to test for E-6.

You have to be an E-4 for I believe a year to test for E-5.

It's pretty much that way with all nukes. E-4 is automatic as soon as they graduate A School unless they get in some kind of trouble. They advance quick. All Nuke rates advance well because they are undermanned. All Nuke rates advance at about the same rate. ET advancement is more than 90% right now, so as of right now they have a higher advancement rate.

Nuke EM's are electricians... They over see and and perform maintenance on the electrical generation throughout the ship.

Nuke MM's are mechanics... They over see reactor fluid systems and steam systems.

Nuke ET's are Electronics techs... They electronics associated with the reactor protection and control systems.


My husband is an EMC.

:yes Bryan is a prior EM nuke on subs.

I think that out of all the jobs he could have done on a sub, he is happy to have this one. He doesn't like it every day, but in general he's satisfied with his choice. Sea duty is never boring for him. Shore duty was boring at times, but that was more about mismanagement than his rate.

He reports to his chief, who is also an EM, and I *think* that in general his division is kind of under the engineer of the boat. I THINK. :giggle

I think any job in the Navy can be good or bad depending on two things - the sailor's attitude, and the command's attitude. Regardless of what they do.

:yes All The Chief's of each division will be the same rate as all of the devision and all of them are pretty much under the Eng.

Just an FYI in case you don't know. A School, Power School and Prototype are all consecutive schools. You go right from one to the other in the same location and all 3 of them are a total of 2 years.

I saw you ask about being moved in another thread. Because he'll be here for 2 years, the Navy will move you here.

It's pretty much that way with all nukes. E-4 is automatic as soon as they graduate A School unless they get in some kind of trouble. They advance quick. All Nuke rates advance well because they are undermanned. All Nuke rates advance at about the same rate. ET advancement is more than 90% right now, so as of right now they have a higher advancement rate.

Nuke EM's are electricians... They over see and and perform maintenance on the electrical generation throughout the ship.

Nuke MM's are mechanics... They over see reactor fluid systems and steam systems.

Nuke ET's are Electronics techs... They over see electronics associated with the reactor protection and control systems.


My husband is an EMC.

Whats EMC?

Can "nukes" become officers too?

Whats EMC?

Can "nukes" become officers too?

EMC... like Instead of an EM1. He is a Chief (E-7).

Yes They can become officers. They just have to submit a package and be selected like any other rate :) If you are selected you have to go to school and get a degree.

Whats EMC?

Can "nukes" become officers too?

Chief electrician's mate

It depends on which enlisted to officer program he wants to go through...

Chief electrician's mate

It depends on which enlisted to officer program he wants to go through...

Ok. Yeah they said that he could go to OCS, he still needs to talk to the officer's whatever recruiter, but does he still do the initial training for Nukes and THEN go to OCS? Well, I'm sure he could ask. Lol, I was wondering for selfish reasons. i want to know where I'll be living in about 5 months!

Ok. Yeah they said that he could go to OCS, he still needs to talk to the officer's whatever recruiter, but does he still do the initial training for Nukes and THEN go to OCS? Well, I'm sure he could ask. Lol, I was wondering for selfish reasons. i want to know where I'll be living in about 5 months!

I'm confused. Does he already have a Bachelors? I thought they couldn't go to OCS without that.
If he doens't have his degree yet, a good way to go officer from enlisted is to apply to STA-21 (an enlisted to officer program) while still in the pipeline. ETA** But to do that you have to be in the top of your class in school.

Ok. Yeah they said that he could go to OCS, he still needs to talk to the officer's whatever recruiter, but does he still do the initial training for Nukes and THEN go to OCS? Well, I'm sure he could ask. Lol, I was wondering for selfish reasons. i want to know where I'll be living in about 5 months!

In order to go to OCS, he already has to have his Bachelor's degree. And in order to get picked up Nuke officer, he has to have a technical degree related to the nuke field.

Nuke training is long, so once he starts the pipeline, you most likely will be living in Goose Creek SC for 18 months.

Just an FYI in case you don't know. A School, Power School and Prototype are all consecutive schools. You go right from one to the other in the same location and all 3 of them are a total of 2 years.

I saw you ask about being moved in another thread. Because he'll be here for 2 years, the Navy will move you here.

That is not entirely true. If they have issues with their credit, issues with their clearance, or if their class is a "filler" class they will be on TTrac from anywhere between 2 months and however long it takes to get their clearance for Power School.

And it is not a gurantee that you will stay in SC for Prototype. The NY plants are completely undermanned right now and they have been taking up to 70% of the classes to NY. I know, I am here now.

Ok. Yeah they said that he could go to OCS, he still needs to talk to the officer's whatever recruiter, but does he still do the initial training for Nukes and THEN go to OCS? Well, I'm sure he could ask. Lol, I was wondering for selfish reasons. i want to know where I'll be living in about 5 months!

Does he already have a degree? If he already has a degree then he will have to put in the package and wait for it to be approved/see if it gets approved. If he does not have a degree he will need to get a degree before he can put in a package for OCS. So he would just follow his normal progression... ie. going through nuke school.

That is not enitriely true. If they have issues with their credit, issues with their clearance, or if their classes is a "filler" class they will be on TTrac from anywhere between 2 months and however long it takes to get their clearance for Power School.

And it is not a gurantee that you will stay in SC for Prototype. The NY plants are completely undermanned right now and they have been taking up to 70% of the classes to NY. I know, I am here now.


I know this. I was speaking of how it generally works. Where they need people changes from year to year.

Ok. Yeah they said that he could go to OCS, he still needs to talk to the officer's whatever recruiter, but does he still do the initial training for Nukes and THEN go to OCS? Well, I'm sure he could ask. Lol, I was wondering for selfish reasons. i want to know where I'll be living in about 5 months!

Checkout STA-21 too!!! ;)

Not unless they were married. And I understand you were being general. I wanted to fill in the blanks.

Just an FYI in case you don't know. A School, Power School and Prototype are all consecutive schools. You go right from one to the other in the same location and all 3 of them are a total of 2 years.

I saw you ask about being moved in another thread. Because he'll be here for 2 years, the Navy will move you here.

they don't always stay in the same place for Prototype because there is one in NY as well.....Also, I thought that school was 3 or 6 months (depending on rate) then 6 months power school then 6 months prototype, so the longs they will be in school is 1 and a half years + 2 weeks after a school (long if they don't get cleared) then 2 weeks after power school.

BTW, I was an ET nuke, went though the whole pipeline and ended up on the USS Abraham Lincoln. My hubby was a nuke EM, he went subs and was on the USS Nevada, he just finished his enlistment in January, he taught at EM "A" school for the last 4 years. If you have any questions at all about nuke training, feel free to pm me any time!

Yeah, he has a bachelor's. he got a 97 on the asfab or whatever it's called (I'm serious guys, space cadet!), so he qualified for Nuke but then the recruiter found out he has a BS so then the recruiter said some confusing stuff that sounded time consuming (the he has to do before going to BT), so i spaced out again. :grin:

So from what I can tell 21 months training then OCS if his package gets approved?

But I think he likes the sound of ETA-21 better than OCS....lol

Yeah, he has a bachelor's. he got a 97 on the asfab or whatever it's called (I'm serious guys, space cadet!), so he qualified for Nuke but then the recruiter found out he has a BS so then the recruiter said some confusing stuff that sounded time consuming (the he has to do before going to BT), so i spaced out again. :grin:

So from what I can tell 21 months training then OCS if his package gets approved?

In that case he doesn't have to finish nuke school. Once he's done with bootcamp he can submit the package. he may start nuke school while waiting to see if he is accepted or not but he will not have to complete it if his package is accepted. They will give him shit for putting in an officers package in nuke school though :lol

In that case he doesn't have to finish nuke school. Once he's done with bootcamp he can submit the package. he may start nuke school while waiting to see if he is accepted or not but he will not have to complete it if his package is accepted. They will give him shit for putting in an officers package in nuke school though :lol

yeah, he doesnt want shit! He'll prob do ETA-21...for the respect.

Be careful with planning STA-21 if he wants to stay nuke. There are only three times you can do it - while in pipeline, while teaching pipeline, or with a waiver at any other time, which isn't necessarily easy to get.

Just an FYI in case you don't know. A School, Power School and Prototype are all consecutive schools. You go right from one to the other in the same location and all 3 of them are a total of 2 years.

I saw you ask about being moved in another thread. Because he'll be here for 2 years, the Navy will move you here.

:grin: good. I used to live in Charleston, and loved it!
Oh, and since somebody brought it up, we want to get married before he goes to bt. So I'm assuming they would move me as long as he doesnt have to go to NY in the middle

Be careful with planning STA-21 if he wants to stay nuke. There are only three times you can do it - while in pipeline, while teaching pipeline, or with a waiver at any other time, which isn't necessarily easy to get.

oh! good to know!

Unfortunately, STA-21 is for those who are enlisted and don't already have 4 year degree.

:grin: good. I used to live in Charleston, and loved it!
Oh, and since somebody brought it up, we want to get married before he goes to bt. So I'm assuming they would move me as long as he doesnt have to go to NY in the middle

Yep as long as you're married before he goes to Basic you'll be moved.. BUT he needs to go to the recruiter right after you get married to update his information or you wont get moved. If he has to go to New York they may not pay to move you there, I'm not entirely sure about that one. I think it depends on a couple of things

Unfortunately, STA-21 is for those who are enlisted and don't already have 4 year degree.

OMG :duh I didn't even think about the fact that he already has the degree. I'm a dork.

I'm pretty sure even though he has a degree he can still do STA-21. They combined a bunch of those programs recently. He wont be a good canidate for it, but I don't think anything will actually stop him. One of the programs they combined into it may cover people with degrees. I don't know this for sure though.

I'm pretty sure even though he has a degree he can still do STA-21. They combined a bunch of those programs recently.

Well the recruiter suggested it, so I'm sure he can...

Since he hasn't gone to bootcamp yet he should be able to talk to the recruiters and go the officer route before he goes to basic. Sounds like you may have some lazy recruiters there... It makes no sense for him to go in this way if he fully intends to go officer.. since they KNOW he wants to go officer they can change it now before basic

It will be much easier for him if he just goes in as an officer.

Well the recruiter suggested it, so I'm sure he can...

It's ALWAYS better to make sure for yourself rather than relying on the recruiter. No offense to recruiter wives - I know there are good ones out there. But it is still better to triple check everything.

It will be much easier for him if he just goes in as an officer.

:yes When I first read this I didn't realize he hasn't even started basic yet. There is no reason for him to go in this way. The recruiters can make the necessary changes now before basic.

The recruiter seemed to suggest STA over OCS because enlisted people tend to respect Officers who did STA more than OCS. He didnt act like it would be against the rules for him to do it, so when Mark said he'd rather do STA, the recruiter acted very supportive...

Basically the whole point to STA-21 is so that one can obtain a college degree. If you've already got a 4 year degree, then putting in an OCS package is the way to go!!! :tu

The recruiter seemed to suggest STA over OCS because enlisted people tend to respect Officers who did STA more than OCS. He didnt act like it would be against the rules for him to do it, so when Mark said he'd rather do STA, the recruiter acted very supportive...

I don't know a lot about recruiting, but it sounds like if he did STA-21, then he would be a successful recruit for the recruiter, whereas if he goes to OCS, then he wouldn't be. I could be wrong about that, but I still stand by what I said earlier that YOU have to be sure, because the recruiters don't always know everything, or could have other motivations.

The recruiter seemed to suggest STA over OCS because enlisted people tend to respect Officers who did STA more than OCS. He didnt act like it would be against the rules for him to do it, so when Mark said he'd rather do STA, the recruiter acted very supportive...
LMAO!!!
Most people aren't even aware of what STA-21 is. :thinking

The recruiter seemed to suggest STA over OCS because enlisted people tend to respect Officers who did STA more than OCS. He didnt act like it would be against the rules for him to do it, so when Mark said he'd rather do STA, the recruiter acted very supportive...

If it's a respect thing... him going officer RIGHT after or during nuke school wont get him anymore respect because he didn't do the job as an enlisted person anyway. It would make sense for them to make the necessary changes now and have him enter as an officer. The other issue with that is, it's not guaranteed is package will even be accepted if he goes in enlisted.. it could be denied and he could be stuck enlisted.

Sounds like the recruiter was trying to meet his quota for nukes enlisting.

Individuals who have already obtained their baccalaureate degree are not eligible for STA-21 and should apply directly for Officer Candidate School (OCS). OCS application procedures can be found in OPNAVINST 1420.1A (Chapter 4).


https://www.sta-21.navy.mil/er.html

Basically the whole point to STA-21 is so that one can obtain a college degree. If you've already got a 4 year degree, then putting in an OCS package is the way to go!!! :tu

That makes sense. I think he should do OCS too, but the recruiters 'bout talked him OUT of it.
The recruiter was all for the STA, and when Mark thought he wanted to be a marine that recruiter suggested their version of STA too...

I think the recruiter sounds shady, I really do. :dunno

That makes sense. I think he should do OCS too, but the recruiters 'bout talked him OUT of it.
The recruiter was all for the STA, and when Mark thought he wanted to be a marine that recruiter suggested their version of STA too...

That recruiter in EXTREMELY uneducated about STA-21!!!

If it's a respect thing... him going officer RIGHT after or during nuke school wont get him anymore respect because he didn't do the job as an enlisted person anyway. It would make sense for them to make the necessary changes now and have him enter as an officer. The other issue with that is, it's not guaranteed is package will even be accepted if he goes in enlisted.. it could be denied and he could be stuck enlisted.

Sounds like the recruiter was trying to meet his quota for nukes enlisting.

Wow, i feel totally lied too. That recruiter said he had no quotas! And that people with a bachelors could go to STA.

And as to the respect thing I think he meant if an enlisted guy knows his officer was an enlisted rank to begin with he kinda relates better and feels more...comradery with him

That makes sense. I think he should do OCS too, but the recruiters 'bout talked him OUT of it.
The recruiter was all for the STA, and when Mark thought he wanted to be a marine that recruiter suggested their version of STA too...

He needs to tell them he wants to go in as an Officer. He's going to get himself screwed over if he does it the way they are telling him to do. It's just ass backwards.

Wow, i feel totally lied too. That recruiter said he had no quotas! And that people with a bachelors could go to STA.

And as to the respect thing I think he meant if an enlisted guy knows his officer was an enlisted rank to begin with he kinda relates better and feels more...comradery with him

That's what the recruiter meant about respect, yes... but when an enlisted guy knows they went officer immediately after bootcamp it wont make them have an ounce more of respect.

Of course recruiters have quotas.

That recruiter in EXTREMELY uneducated about STA-21!!!

yeah, both recruiters in two different branches apparently. Which seems really really weird to me. maybe they changed the rules?

That's what the recruiter meant about respect, yes... but when an enlisted guy knows they went officer immediately after bootcamp it wont make them have an ounce more of respect.

Of course recruiters have quotas.

Yeah. When i gave him a look like "what??" he turned to the guy behind him who had a tan uniform (officer I guess? right?) and he said "Sir, this young lady believes that we have quotas to meet!" and the officer said "thats the old fashioned way." Um, sounds like a whole office of liars!!!

Yeah. When i gave him a look like "what??" he turned to the guy behind him who had a tan uniform (officer I guess? right?) and he said "Sir, this young lady believes that we have quotas to meet!" and the officer said "thats the old fashioned way." Um, sounds like a whole office of liars!!!

khaki's are chief's and officers.. but if he called him "sir" then it was an officer :yes I'm pretty damn sure they still have numbers they need to meet.

yeah, both recruiters in two different branches apparently. Which seems really really weird to me. maybe they changed the rules?

Changed the rules about what?!

Changed the rules about what?!

STA-21

Individuals who have already obtained their baccalaureate degree are not eligible for STA-21 and should apply directly for Officer Candidate School (OCS). OCS application procedures can be found in OPNAVINST 1420.1A (Chapter 4).


https://www.sta-21.navy.mil/er.html

STA-21

OP....see reply above! :giggle

STA-21

Yeah. Sorry, i sould have been more specific. Sorry if I'm pissing you off...:blush

Yeah. Sorry, i sould have been more specific. Sorry if I'm pissing you off...:blush

You're not at all! I'm trying to help you understand more :hugs

OP....see reply above! :giggle

Oh I saw that. But i was giving the recruiters the benefit of the doubt. I mean it seems coincidental that the two recruiters we spoke to from two different branches would suggest the same path...

ETA: both of them would be so uneducated about it. Both the ones we happened to talk to

Yeah. Sorry, i sould have been more specific. Sorry if I'm pissing you off...:blush

LOL!!! You're not pissing me off either...hehe!!! I like to help where I can too!! :D

Oh I saw that. But i was giving the recruiters the benefit of the doubt. I mean it seems coincidental that the two recruiters we spoke to from two different branches would suggest the same path...

I'd print that out and take it to the recruiter's office!!!!!!! :lmao

I'd print that out and take it to the recruiter's office!!!!!!! :lmao

lol. Sounds like a good way to make friends!!

Ok, so there ARE Nuclear officers? What do they do thats different than the enlisted? I was spaced out during that convo I guess, either that or he didnt tell us.

lol. Sounds like a good way to make friends!!

Ok, so there ARE Nuclear officers? What do they do thats different than the enlisted? I was spaced out during that convo I guess, either that or he didnt tell us.

They are more of the boss. That's where the whole respect thing comes in :lol some enlisted get irritated that they have someone who technically out ranks them and are the "boss" that have a lot less experience than they do :lol That's why enlisted who go officer tend to get more respect.. because they aren't fresh out of bootcamp outranking all of the enlisted when they have little/no experience.

lol. Sounds like a good way to make friends!!

Ok, so there ARE Nuclear officers? What do they do thats different than the enlisted? I was spaced out during that convo I guess, either that or he didnt tell us.

ROFL!!!!!!

Nope...it's a good way to make him do his JOB right the next time...HAHAHA!!!!! I bet he'll be EXTREMELY embarrassed when you bring the documentation to him.

What he's trying to do is get your SO to enlist ANYWAY he can!!!!!!!!!! Your SO really needs to put an officer package in.


I need to read from the beginning, but is your SO already in the Navy?!?!
:edit

ETA: He NEEDS to talk to an officer package recruiter!!!! DAMN....should've given your SO's information to the officer recruiter who called here the other day!!! :giggle

ROFL!!!!!!

Nope...it's a good way to make him do his JOB right the next time...HAHAHA!!!!! I bet he'll be EXTREMELY embarrassed when you bring the documentation to him.

What he's trying to do is get your SO to enlist ANYWAY he can!!!!!!!!!! You SO really needs to put an officer package in.


I need to read from the beginning, but is your SO already in the Navy?!?!
He hasn't even gone to boot yet and the recruiters are pushing him to go enlisted not officer! Can you believe that crap? I think it's an enlisted nuke quota thing.

He hasn't even gone to boot yet and the recruiters are pushing him to go enlisted not officer! Can you believe that crap? I think it's an enlisted nuke quota thing.

I CANNOT!!!! :reallymad :reallymad :reallymad


Just a few more minutes and Bryan will be home....HAHAHA!!!!!

I CANNOT!!!! :reallymad :reallymad :reallymad


Just a few more minutes and Bryan will be home....HAHAHA!!!!!

If he wanted to stay enlisted that'd be one thing (my husband wants to stay enlisted himself)... but if he fully intends on going officer immediately it is seriously pointless to go in enlisted! His package could be denied to and he'd be stuck enlisted.

I don't know a lot about recruiting, but it sounds like if he did STA-21, then he would be a successful recruit for the recruiter, whereas if he goes to OCS, then he wouldn't be. I could be wrong about that, but I still stand by what I said earlier that YOU have to be sure, because the recruiters don't always know everything, or could have other motivations.

Hm. I didnt thank about that. Thats a good point. But here I was tinking they dont have quotas because both he and his boss told me.
Who else do I ask if I've already asked you guys and the recruiter? My cousin is a commander in the navy, but he hardly emails me back. Should I ask him or look somewhere else?

If he wanted to stay enlisted that'd be one thing (my husband wants to stay enlisted himself)... but if he fully intends on going officer immediately it is seriously pointless to go in enlisted! His package could be denied to and he'd be stuck enlisted.

But what if he wants to be enlisted for a while and become an officer 3-4 years down the line?

But what if he wants to be enlisted for a while and become an officer 3-4 years down the line?

If that's what he wants to do, then joining enlisted makes sense.

I can't imagine going enlisted just to impress other people. Being an officer is not about being everyone's friend, and once he's been in a few years, he'll earn respect regardless. So why not just spend those first years earning respect as an officer? I just don't get it.

I can't imagine going enlisted just to impress other people. Being an officer is not about being everyone's friend, and once he's been in a few years, he'll earn respect regardless. So why not just spend those first years earning respect as an officer? I just don't get it.

There are other reasons for wanting to be enlisted. There is true knowledge and experience you will gain as an enlisted sailor that you wont really see much of as an officer.

I can't imagine going enlisted just to impress other people. Being an officer is not about being everyone's friend, and once he's been in a few years, he'll earn respect regardless. So why not just spend those first years earning respect as an officer? I just don't get it.

Yeah. That was his initial plan but like I said, the recruiter kinda messed with his head about it.

There are other reasons for wanting to be enlisted. There is true knowledge and experience you will gain as an enlisted sailor that you wont really see much of as an officer.

Oh I get that, but it doesn't seem like that is his reasoning from what we're getting, kwim? It seems like it's about getting respect from other people, which he has to earn either way, enlisted or not.

Not trying to sound judgemtal, OP, just not getting it. :dunno

Oh I get that, but it doesn't seem like that is his reasoning from what we're getting, kwim? It seems like it's about getting respect from other people, which he has to earn either way, enlisted or not.

Not trying to sound judgemtal, OP, just not getting it. :dunno

I know what you're saying :yes

Ultimately he should join and go in the direction he wants to go right from the get go. The respect thing is a stupid reason imo. He needs to make sure he is doing what he wants or he wont enjoy his naval career at all.

Well the recruiter said something to the same effect that Caimbrie said and thats something else he's considering, esp. because he doesnt want to get out of the military...

Has he gone and talked to guys who are enlisted and officers in those 3 rates? I think that would be a good start, and he would get a better idea of which path is right for him. Better than a recruiter can tell him at least.

If he want to become an officer it is going to be a lot harder for him later down the road....IMO going in as enlisted for a few years just for respect seems a little ridiculous....:dunno

Has he gone and talked to guys who are enlisted and officers in those 3 rates? I think that would be a good start, and he would get a better idea of which path is right for him. Better than a recruiter can tell him at least.

The closest Navy base is 800 miles away. 8(

As to the officer thing, i think he is apprehensive to be"in charge" so thats why he's apprehensive to go into OCS and the recruiter picked up on that...:confused

I just wanted to poke my head in and say there was a person in DB's A school class that had a bachelors and when she asked her recruiter about being an officer he basically told her she couldn't (DB didn't give me all the details) so she enlisted as a Nuke, like the recruiter suggested. She ended up hating it and feeling like she wasted her degree I guess.

OP - I would find out all you can about OCS and if possible, try and contact a different recruiter. I think (and correct me if I'm wrong) they have specific recruiters for officer stuff. If he really wants to enlist then good for him...but he should definitely get all the info first.

If he want to become an officer it is going to be a lot harder for him later down the road....IMO going in as enlisted for a few years just for respect seems a little ridiculous....:dunno

It's more than that but that was the recruiter's main selling point. Mark is apprehensive to be in charge, he likes the sound of the enlisted stuff, and he'd like to work his way up, kwim?

but SINCE he has a BS, he can be an officer, and I'd hate to see him close that door completely and I dont think he wants to either.

It's more than that but that was the recruiter's main selling point. Mark is apprehensive to be in charge, he likes the sound of the enlisted stuff, and he'd like to work his way up, kwim?

but SINCE he has a BS, he can be an officer, and I'd hate to see him close that door completely and I dont think he wants to either.

being an officer is a big deal so he needs to make sure he it is something he really wants to do....I imagine there are ways of becoming an officer if he chooses later down the road, STA-21 is just one of the officer programs the Navy offers.

yeah, he doesnt want shit! He'll prob do ETA-21...for the respect.

The only way that you can gain camaraderie from being prior enlisted is to have spent some quality time as enlisted. i.e. you completed at least one tour and spent some time yourself in the bilges field-daying for hours on end. Going through just the pipeline will not do anything for you in this aspect.

That makes sense. I think he should do OCS too, but the recruiters 'bout talked him OUT of it.
The recruiter was all for the STA, and when Mark thought he wanted to be a marine that recruiter suggested their version of STA too...

The marine version is known as MECEP, and you also cannot have your bachelors degree to be accepted into that program.

Wow, i feel totally lied too. That recruiter said he had no quotas! And that people with a bachelors could go to STA.

And as to the respect thing I think he meant if an enlisted guy knows his officer was an enlisted rank to begin with he kinda relates better and feels more...comradery with him

There is definitely quotas involved in recruiting, the bigger the recruiting area the larger the numbers. There was a rumor a long time ago that the recruiters would get bonuses for bringing in a certain number of nukes per fiscal year, but I have not been able to verify that to be true or false.

Take for an example though, for someone to get a recruiting ribbon in the navy you have to refer 3 recruits who complete BT -or- ONE nuke who makes it through the entire pipeline.

Yeah. When i gave him a look like "what??" he turned to the guy behind him who had a tan uniform (officer I guess? right?) and he said "Sir, this young lady believes that we have quotas to meet!" and the officer said "thats the old fashioned way." Um, sounds like a whole office of liars!!!

When I was in Rhode Island there was a recruiter who got picked up for STA-21 and she told me that not only do they have quotas, but the bosses will get fired from recruiting duty if they do not meet them. And the bosses that get fired are the ones with the khaki shirt with the bars on them.

For the ladies whose husbands are recruiters this info came from the Houston recruiting office.

In order to go to OCS, he already has to have his Bachelor's degree. And in order to get picked up Nuke officer, he has to have a technical degree related to the nuke field.

Nuke training is long, so once he starts the pipeline, you most likely will be living in Goose Creek SC for 18 months.

No you don't have to have a technical degree to go nuke officer via OCS. All you need is high scores in math and physics.




And if you do have to go to New York for prototype they will pay to move you up there, but typically the married families stay in South Carolina to eliminate the high cost and unnecessary stress.

My advice would be that if he is afraid to lead then going enlisted isn't a bad thing, but realize that even as enlisted he will end up being a leader. Also, when you are a junior officer they understand that you have never been in the environment before and are going to make mistakes and there are alot of people to help you out. If he has the requirements to go officer then I would have him go.

I just wanted to poke my head in and say there was a person in DB's A school class that had a bachelors and when she asked her recruiter about being an officer he basically told her she couldn't (DB didn't give me all the details) so she enlisted as a Nuke, like the recruiter suggested. She ended up hating it and feeling like she wasted her degree I guess.

OP - I would find out all you can about OCS and if possible, try and contact a different recruiter. I think (and correct me if I'm wrong) they have specific recruiters for officer stuff. If he really wants to enlist then good for him...but he should definitely get all the info first.

You're right!!!! There are INDEED recruiters specially for prospective officers.

A good way to know that you're in a officer recruiting station is that they will have you take an ASTB, which is required for all naval officers to go unrestricted line through OCS.
http://www.navy.com/careers/officerplanner/

The only way that you can gain camaraderie from being prior enlisted is to have spent some quality time as enlisted. i.e. you completed at least one tour and spent some time yourself in the bilges field-daying for hours on end. Going through just the pipeline will not do anything for you in this aspect.



The marine version is known as MECEP, and you also cannot have your bachelors degree to be accepted into that program.



There is definitely quotas involved in recruiting, the bigger the recruiting area the larger the numbers. There was a rumor a long time ago that the recruiters would get bonuses for bringing in a certain number of nukes per fiscal year, but I have not been able to verify that to be true or false.

Take for an example though, for someone to get a recruiting ribbon in the navy you have to refer 3 recruits who complete BT -or- ONE nuke who makes it through the entire pipeline.



When I was in Rhode Island there was a recruiter who got picked up for STA-21 and she told me that not only do they have quotas, but the bosses will get fired from recruiting duty if they do not meet them. And the bosses that get fired are the ones with the khaki shirt with the bars on them.

For the ladies whose husbands are recruiters this info came from the Houston recruiting office.



No you don't have to have a technical degree to go nuke officer via OCS. All you need is high scores in math and physics.




And if you do have to go to New York for prototype they will pay to move you up there, but typically the married families stay in South Carolina to eliminate the high cost and unnecessary stress.

My advice would be that if he is afraid to lead then going enlisted isn't a bad thing, but realize that even as enlisted he will end up being a leader. Also, when you are a junior officer they understand that you have never been in the environment before and are going to make mistakes and there are alot of people to help you out. If he has the requirements to go officer then I would have him go.

Wow, thanks for all that info, there is a lot there!
he's not afraid of leading people he's just apprehensive to being in charge of like...sinking a boat, or being thought of as "another Bush" for eg. It sounds intimidating to him to have so much on his shoulders all at once.I'll let him know everything you said!

Wow, thanks for all that info, there is a lot there!
he's not afraid of leading people he's just apprehensive to being in charge of like...sinking a boat, or being thought of as "another Bush" for eg. It sounds intimidating to him to have so much on his shoulders all at once.I'll let him know everything you said!

I'm being Bryan's transcriptionist. :giggle

1. Bryan says since he does recognize the concern for managing the navy's resources means that he would make a good officer. If he talks to any officer and they said they were not scared shitless the first time they were in charge of the ship, then either A they're liars or B a useless officer.

2. Even as enlisted one can still do major damage to ship's equipment. For example....for a TRUE example, Bryan destroyed a $250,000 piece of electrical equipment. :D :giggle


My husband says I FINALLY got him interested in a thread that he enjoys....ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl

I'm being Bryan's transcriptionist. :giggle

1. Bryan says since he does recognize the concern for managing the navy's resources means that he would make a good officer. If he talks to any officer and they said they were not scared shitless the first time they were in charge of the ship, then either A they're liars or B a useless officer.

2. Even as enlisted one can still do major damage to ship's equipment. For example....for a TRUE example, Bryan destroyed a $250,000 piece of electrical equipment. :D :giggle


My husband says I FINALLY got him interested in a thread that he enjoys....ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl


1. Thats an excellent point!!
2. Haha, oh, poor bryan! Did he get in a lot of trouble?
3. :lol took a long time for him to get into it!!!

Ok, so I realize that he has to take the ASTB, but I did not hear that from the recruiter. He said mark must take the Asvab, then do the physical, then maybe talk to a officer recruiter. Then I get home a search around a bit and find out that he has to take another test just to talk to the officer recruiter. it seems like a waste of time to take the ASVAB and then the ASTB...is the orig. recruiter being uneducated/a liar again...?

1. Thats an excellent point!!
2. Haha, oh, poor bryan! Did he get in a lot of trouble?
3. :lol took a long time for him to get into it!!!

Ok, so I realize that he has to take the ASTB, but I did not hear that from the recruiter. He said mark must take the Asvab, then do the physical, then maybe talk to a officer recruiter. Then I get home a search around a bit and find out that he has to take another test just to talk to the officer recruiter. it seems like a waste of time to take the ASVAB and then the ASTB...is the orig. recruiter being uneducated/a liar again...?

LOL!!!!!!! Bryan says define a lot of trouble. :lol He didn't get into any punitive trouble. :)

About the recruiter, Bryan says YEPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!

LOL!!!!!!! Bryan says define a lot of trouble. :lol He didn't get into any punitive trouble. :)

About the recruiter, Bryan says YEPPPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!


llol, well i guess that means he got into some sort of trouble!!

This thread has made me very resentful about the recruiter. I almost wanna tell on him. I'm such a 5th grader.

Recruiter also said Sunday is a day off unless youre deployed (esp. for guys with families)...guess you dont have to ask brian about that one!

BTW, I was an ET nuke, went though the whole pipeline and ended up on the USS Abraham Lincoln. My hubby was a nuke EM, he went subs and was on the USS Nevada, he just finished his enlistment in January, he taught at EM "A" school for the last 4 years. If you have any questions at all about nuke training, feel free to pm me any time!


I am right there with you. I was a nuke ET and DH is a nuke MM. He is still in and wil be until he retired in just under 7 years. We have been on Tridents subs, shore duty as an instructor, and now on fast attack subs.

llol, well i guess that means he got into some sort of trouble!!

This thread has made me very resentful about the recruiter. I almost wanna tell on him. I'm such a 5th grader.
Yeah..that really sucks!!! Did your SO sign papers already, or anything yet?!?

Recruiter also said Sunday is a day off unless youre deployed (esp. for guys with families)...guess you dont have to ask brian about that one!

LMAO!!! Would've been great if Bryan didn't work those 70-ish days STRAIGHT w/o any days off, during shiftwork when the boat was in the yards. I'm so mad FOR YOU and your SO!!!!!!! :kungfu

Yeah..that really sucks!!! Did your SO sign papers already, or anything yet?!?


No, the guy called the other day asking him to but Mark said he wasnt ready to chose a path yet...good thing I suppose.


LMAO!!! Would've been great if Bryan didn't work those 70-ish days STRAIGHT w/o any days off, during shiftwork when the boat was in the yards. I'm so mad FOR YOU and your SO!!!!!!! :kungfu

I wasnt before but I am now!!! Thanks for that website. When Mark saw it a few weeks ago he didnt realize that they would give him a different recruiter than you find in the office. This is taking a lot of time, but I think we'll figure it out soon. I just got duped about a car and now I figure out it's happening again...whatever. I'll have him look into it because the first recruiter did a good job of talking him out of OCS, so I think his judgment is skewed...

my husband is an ET. I know the schooling is rough and it's not an "easy" career path but well worth it cause when he gets out he has alot of options. they have to be able to handle stress though.

I'm being Bryan's transcriptionist. :giggle

1. Bryan says since he does recognize the concern for managing the navy's resources means that he would make a good officer. If he talks to any officer and they said they were not scared shitless the first time they were in charge of the ship, then either A they're liars or B a useless officer.

2. Even as enlisted one can still do major damage to ship's equipment. For example....for a TRUE example, Bryan destroyed a $250,000 piece of electrical equipment. :D :giggle


My husband says I FINALLY got him interested in a thread that he enjoys....ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl


:lmao

:giggle yeah my hubby has done this share of "oopsie...broke that"... not so sure it's anything major though :insomnia... he sure likes to break stuff around the house.. beware of nukes...
my husband can operate a reactor..but he can't do the laundry without killing the machine :taptap

:hystericlaugh

:lmao

:giggle yeah my hubby has done this share of "oopsie...broke that"... not so sure it's anything major though :insomnia... he sure likes to break stuff around the house.. beware of nukes...
my husband can operate a reactor..but he can't do the laundry without killing the machine :taptap

:hystericlaugh


Are we married to the same nuke? :lmao

Are we married to the same nuke? :lmao
:suspect

Are we married to the same nuke? :lmao

You guys are funny. :teehee

Yeah..that really sucks!!! Did your SO sign papers already, or anything yet?!?



LMAO!!! Would've been great if Bryan didn't work those 70-ish days STRAIGHT w/o any days off, during shiftwork when the boat was in the yards. I'm so mad FOR YOU and your SO!!!!!!! :kungfu

Tony worked shift work for 6 months straight on the Pre Com he was on in VA. :eek

Tony worked shift work for 6 months straight on the Pre Com he was on in VA. :eek

EEEKKK!!! Yeah Bryan said he's heard of those working it for longer!!! INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tony worked shift work for 6 months straight on the Pre Com he was on in VA. :eek

not ONE day off in 6 months :sadeyes Thats awful! My cousin said that in even iraq he would sometimes get a "day off"

EEEKKK!!! Yeah Bryan said he's heard of those working it for longer!!! INSANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was.. but that command was also a MESS.

Well, I let him know what y'all said. He kinda looked up the bonus for Nukes that sign up in a fiscal year and of course found nothing. So after he's done feeling sick (I gave him a nasty flu!) He's going to try to contact an Officer Recruiter. He's still very confused about why the recruiters would LIE about STA, but he's going to check with the Officer Recruiter just to be sure.

Lol, this thread started with a simple enough question, and turned very complicated!!!

Oh! and if he decides to go Nuke it'd be EM

Well he doesn't really get to chose. They put him in a place based on his tests scores and such. But good luck to him.

Well he doesn't really get to chose. They put him in a place based on his tests scores and such. But good luck to him.

op! one more misleading statement for the recruiter! :giggle
Well, Mark's asvab score was super duper high...maybe thats why he made it seem like he could chose? oh well...funny how this one thread has contradicted almost everything the recruiter said. Sad. :no

Well he doesn't really get to chose. They put him in a place based on his tests scores and such. But good luck to him.

If you have good scores overall you can choose. My husband chose to be an EM, he wasn't just told he had to be an EM...

I chose to be a EM also. I do know some people that didn't get what they wanted.

Oh and I believe that right now the signing bonus is 20K for nuke officers, that is 15k at commissioning and 5k after power school. I am not sure on the exact numbers, but I do know that you get 15k at commissioning, a friend of mine just got commissioned as a nuke officer.

You know if you are having trouble getting straight answers from you recruiter you could always call a NROTC unit at a college and they should be able to give you some info on how to find a real officer recuiter.

Oh! and if he decides to go Nuke it'd be EM

DB got to choose but not everyone gets to choose, just remember that, they will give him a rate based on his test scores and the demand for each rate! Good luck to him though!

I chose to be a EM also. I do know some people that didn't get what they wanted.

Oh and I believe that right now the signing bonus is 20K for nuke officers, that is 15k at commissioning and 5k after power school. I am not sure on the exact numbers, but I do know that you get 15k at commissioning, a friend of mine just got commissioned as a nuke officer.

You know if you are having trouble getting straight answers from you recruiter you could always call a NROTC unit at a college and they should be able to give you some info on how to find a real officer recuiter.

Thats huge!!! Obviously much bigger than the $8000 bonus he'd get after bt.
I wonder what the other paths bonuses are for enlistment?
Thanks so much, I'll let him know!
He's not in school anymore, but I am so I'll ask on my campus today for the NROTC.

I chose to be a EM also. I do know some people that didn't get what they wanted.

Oh and I believe that right now the signing bonus is 20K for nuke officers, that is 15k at commissioning and 5k after power school. I am not sure on the exact numbers, but I do know that you get 15k at commissioning, a friend of mine just got commissioned as a nuke officer.

You know if you are having trouble getting straight answers from you recruiter you could always call a NROTC unit at a college and they should be able to give you some info on how to find a real officer recuiter.

:yes If you do good in school then you will usually get the rate of your choice.

Thats huge!!! Obviously much bigger than the $8000 bonus he'd get after bt.
I wonder what the other paths bonuses are for enlistment?
Thanks so much, I'll let him know!
He's not in school anymore, but I am so I'll ask on my campus today for the NROTC.

PLEASE don't let him or have him choose his career path based on bonuses. Money is nice but if he ends up hating what he is doing it wont make it better.

:yes If you do good in school then you will usually get the rate of your choice.

if you do good in what school? Your rate is chosen before you go to school.

if you do good in what school? Your rate is chosen before you go to school.

I have no idea why I said school (tired much?) I meant if you get good test scores.

I have no idea why I said school (tired much?) I meant if you get good test scores.

yeah, and assuming that you get good test scores by doing well in HS/college. I got what you meant. I'm tired too.

Also as a side note, you don't get the signing bonus after BT for nukes. You receive 1/3 of that at the completion of power school and then the other 2/3 at the completion of prototype; however, for officers they have a commissioning bonus that they receive when they put on ensign. What area are you from?

Also as a side note, you don't get the signing bonus after BT for nukes. You receive 1/3 of that at the completion of power school and then the other 2/3 at the completion of prototype; however, for officers they have a commissioning bonus that they receive when they put on ensign. What area are you from?

The Bay Area (San Francisco).

PLEASE don't let him or have him choose his career path based on bonuses. Money is nice but if he ends up hating what he is doing it wont make it better.

:agree :yes

I just wanted to kinda put a general thing out there about the prototype in NY for those that have SOs that haven't gone through prototype yet. It has just been upgraded, so it is not the same as prototype in SC. The upgrades are actually different than everything that they learned how to do in a-school and power school, and none of the boats or subs are over to this new system yet.

So at first it might seem kinda like, well that doesn't seem very smart to learn a specific system in a-school and power school, then actually work on a different system in prototype, then when you get to a ship have to revert back to the system you learned, but never actually worked on. But when the boats start switching over the guys will be at an advantage because they've actually worked on and seen the new system before. Just something to think about.

:agree :yes

I just wanted to kinda put a general thing out there about the prototype in NY for those that have SOs that haven't gone through prototype yet. It has just been upgraded, so it is not the same as prototype in SC. The upgrades are actually different than everything that they learned how to do in a-school and power school, and none of the boats or subs are over to this new system yet.

So at first it might seem kinda like, well that doesn't seem very smart to learn a specific system in a-school and power school, then actually work on a different system in prototype, then when you get to a ship have to revert back to the system you learned, but never actually worked on. But when the boats start switching over the guys will be at an advantage because they've actually worked on and seen the new system before. Just something to think about.

So is NY the only one leaning the new stuff? Does that mean everybody has to move to NY for that part of the pipeline?

UPDATE:

So I told DF all about this thread. The recruiter called again and Mark said something to the effect of "I want to talk to someone else, and I've already contacted an Officer Recruiter." a couple days late the recruiter called again and asked him to come in so they can talk.

When we got to the officer there was the original recruiter, 2 officer recruiters, and another recruiter from the office who all wanted to talk to Mark.

Like...3 hours later we were reassured that since Mark has a degree they are obligated to apply him for OCS, they don't want to stop him. So that made us feel a lot better.

But regardless of the bonus and the fact that he can go Officer- Mark would like to go enlisted, I was articulating his feelings a little bit unfairly. but Caimbrie said it best:

There are other reasons for wanting to be enlisted. There is true knowledge and experience you will gain as an enlisted sailor that you wont really see much of as an officer.

So THATS the update on the situation. Thanks for all your help, and if you have anything to add...like warnings or if you can tell ME what to expect. Sorry it took so ling to update you guys!

Glad to hear everything is working out!

My husband had a BS before joining the navy and chose to go enlisted...He was a nuke as well, but a MM...He uses it now as his job...He is a Nuke MM for the shipyard making much better money...So if he goes nuke, no matter which, there is a chance that the crappy hours and all the work pays off.

My husband had a BS before joining the navy and chose to go enlisted...He was a nuke as well, but a MM...He uses it now as his job...He is a Nuke MM for the shipyard making much better money...So if he goes nuke, no matter which, there is a chance that the crappy hours and all the work pays off.

thanks! thats good to hear, I think Mark might be thinking he'll be the oldest person at his rate. :lol at least he's excited though.

How crappy of hours is it? Does he ever complain his job is "boring"?

Does that mean that after E-5 it's harder to get promoted?

Well MM's have many more specialist areas that they can go into... There is always a quota each yr, it depends on how many retired, how many they need to promote and how many that qualified on the test, and last but also not least, it is the ability to do the job at the higher standard...

When they get to E-7 rate, it depends on many factors and it changes each freaking yr...lol... some get it and you don't know how or why, and some it was about time...

But if your db or dg, are doing what they should E-6 and below, and study from their peers and learn how to do what they trained, they can pass their tests with flying colors and make advancement...But after E-6 sometimes it seems like a kiss up party... but eventually the good ones get recognised too...

So is NY the only one leaning the new stuff? Does that mean everybody has to move to NY for that part of the pipeline?

As of right now the NY prototype site has just been switched over to this new system, and SC prototype is still the old kind.

None of the boats are on this new system yet, and I am unsure as to when they are either a.)switching some boats over to the new systems or b.) just new classes of boats will be the new system. Not sure which, or maybe a combo of both.

It's kinda of a catch 22. Do you go to NY and try to learn the new system, even though all you have learned previously was about the system in use, and then once you learn the new system have to go back out to the fleet and work on the current one. But then have an advantage in the coming years when the new systems are introduced

Or do you stay in SC and work on the same system you've been learning baout and then learn about the new system once it comes into play.

I'm not really sure there is a big advantage of doing one over the other, more personal prefference maybe...as well as where the Navy needs people, as always. :teehee

As of right now the NY prototype site has just been switched over to this new system, and SC prototype is still the old kind.

None of the boats are on this new system yet, and I am unsure as to when they are either a.)switching some boats over to the new systems or b.) just new classes of boats will be the new system. Not sure which, or maybe a combo of both.

It's kinda of a catch 22. Do you go to NY and try to learn the new system, even though all you have learned previously was about the system in use, and then once you learn the new system have to go back out to the fleet and work on the current one. But then have an advantage in the coming years when the new systems are introduced

Or do you stay in SC and work on the same system you've been learning baout and then learn about the new system once it comes into play.

I'm not really sure there is a big advantage of doing one over the other, more personal prefference maybe...as well as where the Navy needs people, as always. :teehee

Oh, so they get to choose which system they start on?

Oh, so they get to choose which system they start on?

They get to say where they would like to go (stay in SC or go to NY) but if everyone chooses to stay in SC obviously they are going to have to send some to NY reguardless. I think though people generally get where they want, because they have enough people willing to go both places.

Oh, so they get to choose which system they start on?

It's not quite that way.

Up in New York (my husband has done a lot of training up there) They test newer things (the students arent even part of that testing btw) but the basic prototype learning is mostly the same. They do learn some other things they don't here in SC, but it's not an entirely different system by any means, the basics are still the same for the most part.


People do generally get where they choose like she said though.

It's not quite that way.

Up in New York (my husband has done a lot of training up there) They test newer things (the students arent even part of that testing btw) but the basic prototype learning is mostly the same. They do learn some other things they don't here in SC, but it's not an entirely different system by any means, the basics are still the same for the most part.


People do generally get where they choose like she said though.

I do know that they JUST did the switch over to a new type of system up here that isn't in any of the boats. Thats why DH's graduation date got pushed back, because the new system wasn't ready to be started up yet. I'm sure the basic principles are the same. DH has just said that it's different from the actual systems they learned about in A school and Power school.