what do you define as hazing?

most universities and such define hazing as anything from saying that the members have to dress up in funky outfits to what we think of as hazing--forced drinking, physical punishment, etc

i just watched a THS investigates on hazing. they claim that the rituals also that the military does for things like crossing the equator and such (can't remember for the life of me what it's called) is hazing. what do you think about this?

i have heard of stories about the military... things they do... that i would DEFINITELY define as hazing. but then... i suppose they need to be prepared for really bad things....
although some things i have heard about just seem unnecessary.... what was that thread awhile ago about the person in the tree?? that seemed highly unnecessary and wrong...
i dont know about the one you are referencing though.

I agree that there should be rules established against hazing because some societies have made it very dangerous/deadly but after spending 3 years in a sorority I think that the rules have gone way to far! Following the guidelines established by Panhellenic (the governing council of majority of sororities in the U.S.) we are not aloud to require anything including meetings, philanthropy events, etc. Also we had to be very careful with any event we planned (college scavenger hunts, homecoming/greek week karaoke, there are just so many to name) because they would all be considered hazing. In my opinion, nothing should be forced on anyone else, but if it doesn't pose any danger I don't think it should be banned or considered hazing. I know there have been problems at other schools, but I know from experience my sorority missed out on a ton of opportunities because it may be considered hazing.

what thread about the person in the tree? i don't remember that--where have i been.

i think some things are definitely hazing and things in the military are no exception. hell some people could classify boot camp as hazing (they are forced to do physical activities and such).

what thread about the person in the tree? i don't remember that--where have i been.

i think some things are definitely hazing and things in the military are no exception. hell some people could classify boot camp as hazing (they are forced to do physical activities and such).

i cant remember exactly how it went.. i think it was someones vent though... they were mad that their db or dh or someone was forced to climb a tree and say demeaning things about themselves... gar i cant remember what... and i THINK the person also said the drill sergeant did it just for amusement.
it turned into a big debate about whether or not it is acceptable for a drill sergeant to make someone do that.

i think things like THAT are unnecessary. it doesnt help them become a better soldier/sailor/marine/etc.... i think basic in general helps... it breaks you down.. teaches you how to be a team with people whether you like them or not... but being forced to do things such as climb a tree and ... say demeaning things about yourself.... is just wrong. i dont see how doing something just so people laugh at you is effective.

i cant remember exactly how it went.. i think it was someones vent though... they were mad that their db or dh or someone was forced to climb a tree and say demeaning things about themselves... gar i cant remember what... and i THINK the person also said the drill sergeant did it just for amusement.
it turned into a big debate about whether or not it is acceptable for a drill sergeant to make someone do that.

i think things like THAT are unnecessary. it doesnt help them become a better soldier/sailor/marine/etc.... i think basic in general helps... it breaks you down.. teaches you how to be a team with people whether you like them or not... but being forced to do things such as climb a tree and ... say demeaning things about yourself.... is just wrong. i dont see how doing something just so people laugh at you is effective.

ahh i remember that sort of now. i agree with you

i went to a university that revolved around greek life so hazing is like a second language to me. we technically were "hazed" on our first night int he sorority because our sisters took us to a party where they served alcohol. even though we were willingly drinking, the fact that we were around alcohol is considered hazing.

the guys have it worse. they were made to be taxis basically. if someone caleld and wanted to go to their partuy the pledges would have to go pick them up and drop them off the whole night. also they were made to get 50 female signatuires on their paddles and once they did they were hit extremly hard on their bare butts (only once though)

i dunno i think some things shouldn't be considered hazing, like i know for my high school the drill team and cheerleaders would "haze" the new girls by saying dress up in silly outfits but the school turned a blind eye because they were cheerleaders and drill team. it was considered hazing because it was in the handbook as hazing. i dunno that shouldn't be hazing--dressing up in silly outfits, come on. however things like physical violence should be still. i can see why they do a zero tolerance thing--it's easier to say all of this is bad

i dunno i think some things shouldn't be considered hazing, like i know for my high school the drill team and cheerleaders would "haze" the new girls by saying dress up in silly outfits but the school turned a blind eye because they were cheerleaders and drill team. it was considered hazing because it was in the handbook as hazing. i dunno that shouldn't be hazing--dressing up in silly outfits, come on. however things like physical violence should be still. i can see why they do a zero tolerance thing--it's easier to say all of this is bad

i agree.. i think silly costumes arent a big deal just because... well it doesnt hurt ANYONE... a clown wig and suspenders are silly and fun :)
but... if it HURTS someone... physical, mental, emotional... that just isnt RIGHT.
no one should have to be hurt just to be deemed "good enough" to be in some sort of club, team, or frat/sorority

Idk. I think most forms of "hazing" are stupid and a zero tolerance rule is better than making a list of acceptable and unacceptable hazing rituals.

Drinking by choice would not be hazing. And if the "hazing" is not detrimental to the person in question they are not going to complain. So, the ruling body- board of directors, whatever- will not take action.

Hazing acts that are detrimental should not be allowed. I mean sometimes it is funny, but more often than not it mentally, emtionally, physically hurts a person.

The military is a different story, b/c they should know what they are getting into. And I agree the breaking down system is helpful, b/c it helps them return as confident people.

Idk I kind of rambled

I agree that there should be rules established against hazing because some societies have made it very dangerous/deadly but after spending 3 years in a sorority I think that the rules have gone way to far! Following the guidelines established by Panhellenic (the governing council of majority of sororities in the U.S.) we are not aloud to require anything including meetings, philanthropy events, etc. Also we had to be very careful with any event we planned (college scavenger hunts, homecoming/greek week karaoke, there are just so many to name) because they would all be considered hazing. In my opinion, nothing should be forced on anyone else, but if it doesn't pose any danger I don't think it should be banned or considered hazing. I know there have been problems at other schools, but I know from experience my sorority missed out on a ton of opportunities because it may be considered hazing.

:agree...sororities lost their fun due to a few people making bad decisions, giving us a bad name, and unfortunately, bad things happening to people too

Idk. I think most forms of "hazing" are stupid and a zero tolerance rule is better than making a list of acceptable and unacceptable hazing rituals.

Drinking by choice would not be hazing. And if the "hazing" is not detrimental to the person in question they are not going to complain. So, the ruling body- board of directors, whatever- will not take action.

Hazing acts that are detrimental should not be allowed. I mean sometimes it is funny, but more often than not it mentally, emtionally, physically hurts a person.

The military is a different story, b/c they should know what they are getting into. And I agree the breaking down system is helpful, b/c it helps them return as confident people.

Idk I kind of rambled

I can see how allowing MINORS to drink can be hazing.... THEY are the ones who will get in trouble for underage drinking... not the people 'letting' them. even if they CHOSE to drink... they are at risk.. thus, possible of being hurt.

I can see how allowing MINORS to drink can be hazing.... THEY are the ones who will get in trouble for underage drinking... not the people 'letting' them. even if they CHOSE to drink... they are at risk.. thus, possible of being hurt.

True. I know that people in DB's command get in trouble if underage drinking happens and they were there. But I mean they chose to do it, and have to accept the risks. Not many kids think "Hm, well I won't get in trouble if I am 19 and drinking, b/c these other people told me I can."
Well maybe some of them do not consider cosequences until they are caught. Idk.

I can see what u mean though.

True. I know that people in DB's command get in trouble if underage drinking happens and they were there. But I mean they chose to do it, and have to accept the risks. Not many kids think "Hm, well I won't get in trouble if I am 19 and drinking, b/c these other people told me I can."
Well maybe some of them do not consider cosequences until they are caught. Idk.

I can see what u mean though.

haha.. i am sure part of it is not realizing possible consequences and part of it is being scared of not complying... thus not getting into whatever they are being hazed for in the first place...
but then.... so many people drink underage without worry that i can see how in that situation people would completely relax... hey.. they arent getting hit with a paddle!

Haha seriously... I will take a beer over a paddle anyday

hazing is lame and it is against the UCMJ and yes it still does go on just on the down low now because it is big time trouble if you get caught. For example pounding on the rank, or any of the pins hazing and against the UCMJ.

hazing is lame and it is against the UCMJ and yes it still does go on just on the down low now because it is big time trouble if you get caught. For example pounding on the rank, or any of the pins hazing and against the UCMJ.

yep. what they were talking about were the things they do for like crossing the equator and such. i dunno if i'd exactly call that hazing but i don't know.

When I was a freshmen in HS and on the softball team, we had to carry all the equipment and water. That was what freshmen did. By the time I was a senior we couldn't even ask them to carry equipment because it was considered hazing. Some of it is really dangerous, but the rules have really gone to far.

I'd say bootcamp is hazing. There is OCS on the base near where I live and it makes me sick to see what happens to these people. These people are supposedly the best of the best and they are treated like crap. I really don't like it. And on that level, there is no reason for it.

yep. what they were talking about were the things they do for like crossing the equator and such. i dunno if i'd exactly call that hazing but i don't know.

Well some of the things could be seen as hazing. It has been tamed WAY down but it still can be taken to far by some of the people. It's complicated and unless you have been there done that hard to explain.

My grandfathers wog day was worlds apart from MY wog day and my wog day was different then the guys that did it when my first ship was still an all male crew. I am grateful that I did not have to crawl through months old garbage, or get betten with a piece of fire hose that had been hardened with salt water just to name a few things that used to be done. Still we had people put jalapeño juice in some stuff that was squirted in our faces not fun, had to eat weird food, and various other things. It is ALL hazing in that you feel as if you HAVE to participate.

Hazing i think is horrible they did hazing at my school luckily i was never involved but i know the rotc would super glue a penny to the floor and have you try to push it with your nose while everyone laughed at you. Some sports do it as "induction" and people do it because they want to fit in. I would never do it to someone nor would i ever do anything like that

On the news a while back someone video taped the "induction" and theres was a crowd throwing maneur on them ect

hazing is not acceptable for high schoolers it should not be acceptable for the people of the military

I'd say bootcamp is hazing. There is OCS on the base near where I live and it makes me sick to see what happens to these people. These people are supposedly the best of the best and they are treated like crap. I really don't like it. And on that level, there is no reason for it.

I think it is to rebuild them. The USMC does hands on boot camp which is a whole lot worse than what some OCS guys experience. It is like being a Freshman by the time you are a Senior, you do the same things to those before you. It's tradition.
They are the best of the best, but they also have to follow orders, you do not want a bunch of cocky people coming out of boot camp, they are a team and need to be broken down and rebuilt as a team. IMO.

hazing and being broken down to be rebuilt are two completely different things though.

hazing and being broken down to be rebuilt are two completely different things though.

True. Her post did not seem like haxing to me, I was trying to clarify?

as i understand it, hazing is an act that is done to you or you HAVE to do that is either embarassing or demeaning as a human being. alot of things on college campuses and in the military can be seen as that.

yep. what they were talking about were the things they do for like crossing the equator and such. i dunno if i'd exactly call that hazing but i don't know.

They were probably talking about Shellback initiation. I totally think from what I've heard and from pics I've seen on the Internet and such, that it's totally hazing! Crawling through rotting garbage and being made to dress in drag and such. I could go on from the things I've heard (and some are quite disturbing) but I will stop there:tired

I have heard that the Navy has toned it way down now a days. It's nothing like what went on 15-20 years ago:tired

Everyone has toned down.
I do NOT think military bootcamp is hazing tho.
Some stuff they do is questionable, but I go with a don't ask don't tell policy.

They were probably talking about Shellback initiation. I totally think from what I've heard and from pics I've seen on the Internet and such, that it's totally hazing! Crawling through rotting garbage and being made to dress in drag and such. I could go on from the things I've heard (and some are quite disturbing) but I will stop there:tired

I have heard that the Navy has toned it way down now a days. It's nothing like what went on 15-20 years ago:tired

thank you, shellback. i couldn't remember the name. yes that's what they were talking about. i don't think dressing in drag is hazing at all

thank you, shellback. i couldn't remember the name. yes that's what they were talking about. i don't think dressing in drag is hazing at all

Jill it's called wog day you go from being a pollywog to a shellback. When it was an all male crew they still made them crawl through garbage and stuff so some of that stuff still happens. AND yes 99% of the things the wogs have to do is hazing it is meant to demean and you feel as if you have to do it.

Jill it's called wog day you go from being a pollywog to a shellback. When it was an all male crew they still made them crawl through garbage and stuff so some of that stuff still happens. AND yes 99% of the things the wogs have to do is hazing it is meant to demean and you feel as if you have to do it.

thanks. i think dressing in drag in general whether it be a fraternity or cheerleaders or military isn't necessarily hazing. i think the crawling through garbage is though.

my husband went to the citadel. he went through hell as a freshman there and then did bootcamp, and also had a shellback thing and he doesnt consider anything he went through as hazing. I think when it comes to things like that it comes down to a personal perspective.

When he took me to his college (which is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than it was when he was there cause there were no women) i felt so bad for the students. I wanted to get out of the car and help them!

Hazing happens in the military, all the time. All of you know about it, and if you don't, I'm not sure how. I definitely agree that things have toned WAY down in recent years, though.

I think a lot of the "hazing" in universities now is more a rationalization of typical behavior-like the girl getting alcohol poisoning claiming she was made to drink, when video shows otherwise.

Not saying it doesn't happen in colleges, but it sure seems to be happening less. Perhaps new regulations are working!

I'd say bootcamp is hazing. There is OCS on the base near where I live and it makes me sick to see what happens to these people. These people are supposedly the best of the best and they are treated like crap. I really don't like it. And on that level, there is no reason for it.

That is not hazing. They have to break people down to build them back up.

Sheesh... tradition is tradition. I've heard from all kinds of people that the equator ceremony thing is something that people actually look forward to. They play all kinds of silly games and have competitions.

They've already pansied the military down enough while trying to be "PC", in my opinion. The military has lost a lot in the way of tradition it seems.

As for college hazing... If you don't wanna do what it takes to join their stupid club, then don't do it. I have a friend who was branded with a freaking cattle iron when he was inducted to his fraternity. It's not like he didn't have a choice.... and he still maintains that it was some of the best years of his life.