My Aunt sent me this as an e-mail and it really gets my bllod boiling I was wondering what other people think about this...

Letter by a Florida teacher............... A teacher speaks

This is a subject close to my heart. Do you know that we have adult
students at the school where I teach who are not US citizens and who
get the PELL grant, which is a federal grant (no pay back required)
plus other federal grants to go to school?

One student from the Dominican Republic told me that she didn't want
me to find a job for her after she finished my program, because she
was getting housing from our housing department and she was getting
PELL grant which paid for her total tuition and books, plus money left
over.

She was looking into WAIT which gives students a CREDIT CARD for gas
to come to school, and into CARIBE which is a special program (check
it out - I did) for immigrants and it pays for child care and all
sorts of needs while they go to school or training. The one student I
just mentioned told me she was not going to be a US Citizen because
she plans to return to the Dominican Republic someday and that she
'loves HER country.'

I asked her if she felt guilty taking what the US is giving her and
then not even bothering to become a citizen and she told me that it
doesn't bother her, because that is what the money is there for!

I asked the CARIBE administration about their program and if you ARE
a US Citizen, you don't qualify for their program. And all the while,
I am working a full day, my son-in-law works more than 60 hours a
week, and everyone in my family works and pays for our education.

Something is wrong here. I am sorry but after hearing they want to
sing the National Anthem in Spanish - enough is enough.

Nowhere did they sing it in Italian, Polish, Irish (Celtic), German
or any other language because of immigration. It was written by
Francis Scott Key and should be sung word for word the way it was
written. The news broadcasts even gave the translation -- not even
close.Sorry if this offends anyone but this is MY COUNTRY

IF IT IS YOUR COUNTRY SPEAK UP -- please pass this along.

I am not against immigration -- just come through like everyone else.
Get a sponsor; have a place to lay your head; have a job; pay your
taxes, live by the rules AND LEARN THE LANGUAGE as all other
immigrants have in the past -- and GOD BLESS AMERICA!

PART OF THE PROBLEM

Think about this: If you don't want to forward this for fear of
offending someone -- YOU'RE PART OF THE PROBLEM!

It is Time for America to Speak up If you agree -- pass this along,
if you don't agree --- delete it!

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/pellgrant.asp A lot of the information in that email is false

Oy Vei I am to tired tonight cause I can't even muster the strength to rebutte this.

Yeah, I was just gonna say... That email isn't even true.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/pellgrant.asp A lot of the information in that email is false

Yeah, just reading it I knew that some of the information was false. I'm glad snopes is here!

We have hashed out similiar topics on this subject matter in the past on this site.

Here's what I will say:

When we were stationed in California, I worked for a major hospital as a Claims Specialist, specifically for Medi-Cal (California state Medicaid). I billed claims for hundreds of thousands of dollars, even a few that were over a million dollars for people who were Non-US Citizens. Medi-Cal is free for them, they do not have to pay for it, and what Medi-Cal didn't pay for, we had to simply write off.

Fast forward to now that my husband is out of the military. We pay a crap ton for our health insurance, I have a very high deductible due to my pre-existing conditions, and the medical bills on top of the insurance premiums we pay out every month is practically crippling us financially.

So, how is this fair? I would really like someone to explain that one to me.

Oy Vei I am to tired tonight cause I can't even muster the strength to rebutte this.

ITA.

non citizen doesn't make them illegal which is what things like the email hint at. Ask any of the ladies on the board getting your citizenship is not a quick cheap or easy process. To qualify for programs you can not be illegal, but have to be a resident.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/immigration/pellgrant.asp A lot of the information in that email is false

Grrr my Aunt is a lawyer so I thought it was true :duh

Thanks for informing me though!

I am in college here in the U.S. and as an international student I do not qualify for ANY type of federal loans/grants. All I can do is work, work and work. And my work is limited to 20 hrs per week on campus and 40 hours/week during holidays. I do not ask for any federal help, because it is not my country. I pay taxes to this country and I entered legally and have valid visa. Illegal immigration is a big no no for me I don't mess with that. And yes, I do love my country very much and I will never consider myself american, even though I have been given a great opportunity here.
Can you tell I feel strongly about this issue?? :rofl

Edited: I pay my health insurance and everything else. I don't believe that illegal immigrants should be given free insurance. People who need asylum? YES! Jump the border? NO

First of all, I am an international student right now so from my personal experience, we cannot get any helps from the US goverment to help pay for our education...we are just not eligible for it so i dont know what program that student is in. Plus we have to pay twice as much for tution..i am going to a community college right now paying $9000 a year taking 12 credits. I have a job but I can ONLY work on campus part time..we are not allowed to work outside at all. We also pay taxes. We are required to buy health insurance. It is just ridiculous having to go through all these things. I just cant wait to get my green card. ANyway, i just want to put an info out there...

We have hashed out similiar topics on this subject matter in the past on this site.

Here's what I will say:

When we were stationed in California, I worked for a major hospital as a Claims Specialist, specifically for Medi-Cal (California state Medicaid). I billed claims for hundreds of thousands of dollars, even a few that were over a million dollars for people who were Non-US Citizens. Medi-Cal is free for them, they do not have to pay for it, and what Medi-Cal didn't pay for, we had to simply write off.

Fast forward to now that my husband is out of the military. We pay a crap ton for our health insurance, I have a very high deductible due to my pre-existing conditions, and the medical bills on top of the insurance premiums we pay out every month is practically crippling us financially.

So, how is this fair? I would really like someone to explain that one to me.

responding to your last question, to get medi-cal/cade you need to fall in a certain income bracket. making even a dollar over the amount would leave you without any health insurance period. there in lies the problem. You can choose to make more money and either pay tons for insurance or have no insurance or continue to live hand to mouth to qualify for substandard health insurance. When my friend got medicade she usually only qualified for family planning ( birth control unless she got preggo) and she made no real money. for about a year she qualified for more then that then for some reason she didn't ( oh and she is a US citizen dad was in the army). The whole health care system is crap, but that is a whole other thread.

We have hashed out similiar topics on this subject matter in the past on this site.

Here's what I will say:

When we were stationed in California, I worked for a major hospital as a Claims Specialist, specifically for Medi-Cal (California state Medicaid). I billed claims for hundreds of thousands of dollars, even a few that were over a million dollars for people who were Non-US Citizens. Medi-Cal is free for them, they do not have to pay for it, and what Medi-Cal didn't pay for, we had to simply write off.

Fast forward to now that my husband is out of the military. We pay a crap ton for our health insurance, I have a very high deductible due to my pre-existing conditions, and the medical bills on top of the insurance premiums we pay out every month is practically crippling us financially.

So, how is this fair? I would really like someone to explain that one to me.

Good luck getting an answer. I am still waiting for someone to explain to me how it is fair to make a PROFIT off of people's illness, and how it is fair that the Federal Reserve just approved $200 BILLION in corporate welfare and is spending $5 BILLION a MONTH in Iraq, but the government doesn't have enough money to offer universal healthcare to the tune of $15 billion a year without raising our taxes and acting like it will be substandard because we can't afford it. Don't get it...

non citizen doesn't make them illegal which is what things like the email hint at. Ask any of the ladies on the board getting your citizenship is not a quick cheap or easy process. To qualify for programs you can not be illegal, but have to be a resident.

Non-US Citizens IMO, should not be granted better medical coverage than people who are citizens, period. JMO, and I feel very strongly about it.

Good luck getting an answer. I am still waiting for someone to explain to me how it is fair to make a PROFIT off of people's illness, and how it is fair that the Federal Reserve just approved $200 BILLION in corporate welfare and is spending $5 BILLION a MONTH in Iraq, but the government doesn't have enough money to offer universal healthcare to the tune of $15 billion a year without raising our taxes and acting like it will be substandard because we can't afford it. Don't get it...

I don't get it either Trina. It all just makes me sad. I mean, we have ZERO dollars in our checking account at the moment, I HAVE to get my medications and I HAVE to go to the doctor, and in doing so, it sucks up so much of our money every month its just ridiculous...not to mention that the premiums for both of our health insurance policies just went up and we haven't even had them for a full year. :sigh

I don't get it either Trina. It all just makes me sad. I mean, we have ZERO dollars in our checking account at the moment, I HAVE to get my medications and I HAVE to go to the doctor, and in doing so, it sucks up so much of our money every month its just ridiculous...not to mention that the premiums for both of our health insurance policies just went up and we haven't even had them for a full year. :sigh

Yep, I have a friend going through the same stuff with her daughter. Her seven year old DAUGHTER who is sick. They have been trying for three YEARS to get surgery on her that will drain all of the fluid out of her knees because they are the size of softballs and it is severely effecting her mobility and causing her a lot of pain and people are giving them the run around. She is already dealing with the debilitating side effects of juvenile arthritis because they can't afford the $1500 a MONTH that the medication costs, and the medication actually costs even MORE when they have insurance because the insurance will only cover a small percentage of the cost of the medication but they charge an outrageous premium for her arthritis because it is a "pre-existing condition". It's ridiculous to me. I don't get the attitude that people have that medical care is something you should EARN if you are American, but if you are here illegally it is inhumane to deny care? I don't want illegals to NOT get care, I think medical care is one of those humane things you do for people because it is the right thing to do. People's lives are precious no matter what their circumstances are. I just want AMERICANS TO GET IT, TOO. Without having to beg and plead and pay out their asses to get someone to cover them (but still be able to deny care if it screws too much with the "bottom line") or be faced with financial ruin if they get sick.

Non-US Citizens IMO, should not be granted better medical coverage than people who are citizens, period. JMO, and I feel very strongly about it.

We don't get better medical coverage than you. We get what we pay for. If we pay for better insurance than you, then yes we are getting better insurance. But we pay for it with our own money that we make and get taxed on.

I can't even get into this. It's like the students that get their tuition for free, while I am struggling to get LOANS to cover mine, and yet they are driving brand new cars, partying 4 nights a week, wearing the latest trends, etc, and I am scraping by off the skin of my ass. Makes me sick :no but again, I can't even get into this one, I might seriously :puke

We don't get better medical coverage than you. We get what we pay for. If we pay for better insurance than you, then yes we are getting better insurance. But we pay for it with our own money that we make and get taxed on.

I think she is talking about when illegals immigrants go to the clinic or hospital and get medical care and it has to be written off because there is no way to bill them for it, when American citizens can't do that because they are citizens. Those bills go on your credit score, can be sought in court, and you can be financially ruined if you can't afford to be sick.

I cannot care enough. I get private loans go to school full time and am trying to get two jobs. Really to each his own. I cannot speak on health care, b/c my mom is an resident alien, and my dad is a citizen. I get a lot of $ for health care per year. I have never had the problem... sorry

we employ a lot of foreign doctors at my work. i help in the hiring process & am learning the very very basics of visas. we just had a new doc arrive this past week. he is israeli by birth & was in the israeli armed forces. he is a very nice guy & was telling us about the various interviews he had to do before getting here & coming thru customs. one of the questions he was asked was if he had any military experience, to which he answered yes. then they asked him if he would be willing to help the us military if needed (he is a pain doc). his answer was something to the effect of "yes, of course, i am living in your country. i will do what i can to help." when i heard that part of the story, i nearly a *moment*.

Non-US Citizens IMO, should not be granted better medical coverage than people who are citizens, period. JMO, and I feel very strongly about it.

Does that apply to the US residents that are in military too?
Or are they only good enough to die for our country?

responding to your last question, to get medi-cal/cade you need to fall in a certain income bracket. making even a dollar over the amount would leave you without any health insurance period. there in lies the problem. You can choose to make more money and either pay tons for insurance or have no insurance or continue to live hand to mouth to qualify for substandard health insurance. When my friend got medicade she usually only qualified for family planning ( birth control unless she got preggo) and she made no real money. for about a year she qualified for more then that then for some reason she didn't ( oh and she is a US citizen dad was in the army). The whole health care system is crap, but that is a whole other thread.

Medi-Cal has a variety of qualifying requirements, I was pinpointing one of them. I billed claims for people with no SSN#'s, and they didn't even need them to get Medi-Cal. Yes, Medi-Cal has the program for pregnant women, and also Baby-Cal, so the babies can continue to receive health coverage, etc. There are alot of qualifying and non-qualifying things that encompass the medi-cal program, but I was commenting on the fact that it is offered to people who are Non-US citizens.

And yes, the whole health care system is absolute shit.

I think she is talking about when illegals immigrants go to the clinic or hospital and get medical care and it has to be written off because there is no way to bill them for it, when American citizens can't do that because they are citizens. Those bills go on your credit score, can be sought in court, and you can be financially ruined if you can't afford to be sick.

Yes but she said .."non-us citizents...period". I hate to be thrown into the same bag as someone who jumped over the border.

Yes but she said .."non-us citizents...period". I hate to be thrown into the same bag as someone who jumped over the border.

:agree

Legal immigrants are totally different than illegal immigrants

I also dont believe that this should happen.

http://militarysos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=154859

Non-US Citizens IMO, should not be granted better medical coverage than people who are citizens, period. JMO, and I feel very strongly about it.

OK so how about the wives of military members that are working on their citizenship they are non citizens so should they not get health care until every American citizen has health care. (not a snarky question)

How about we give EVERYONE healthcare and it won't be a problem?? I would rather MY tax dollars go to giving EVERYONE... legal or otherwise... access to health care than to bailing out businesses that made bad decisions and come crying to the government to bail them out.

We don't get better medical coverage than you. We get what we pay for. If we pay for better insurance than you, then yes we are getting better insurance. But we pay for it with our own money that we make and get taxed on.

I didn't say EVERY Non-US Citizen gets better medical coverage than me. I was commenting on MY experience with working with the Medi-Cal program for which I billed thousands of claims for. Which by the way, medi-cal is free for those who qualify.

I pay over $500 a month for my insurance premiums alone, NOT including the deductibles and co-pays, and due to having such a high deductible because I have Epilepsy, I take a ton of medications, which I also have to pay some very high co-pays on because they do not have generics for them.

I think she is talking about when illegals immigrants go to the clinic or hospital and get medical care and it has to be written off because there is no way to bill them for it, when American citizens can't do that because they are citizens. Those bills go on your credit score, can be sought in court, and you can be financially ruined if you can't afford to be sick.

THANK YOU!

Yes but she said .."non-us citizents...period". I hate to be thrown into the same bag as someone who jumped over the border.

To be fair, she didn't say that "non-US citizens" shouldn't get care at all. She said that they shouldn't get BETTER COVERAGE. Since she is talking about how non-citizens got coverage that she personally can't, all her statement implies is that citizens should get that same coverage without the consequences she has as a citizen, not the non-citizens shouldn't get it.

Does that apply to the US residents that are in military too?
Or are they only good enough to die for our country?

Um, excuse me? When they are in the military, are they not given Tricare and free medical care? Did I even bring up military personnel of any sort? My husband served for almost 10 years in the military and I take great offense to that.

I have great pride in anyone who is willing to serve in our Armed Forces.

I didn't say EVERY Non-US Citizen gets better medical coverage than me. I was commenting on MY experience with working with the Medi-Cal program for which I billed thousands of claims for. Which by the way, medi-cal is free for those who qualify.

I pay over $500 a month for my insurance premiums alone, NOT including the deductibles and co-pays, and due to having such a high deductible because I have Epilepsy, I take a ton of medications, which I also have to pay some very high co-pays on because they do not have generics for them.

Your post simply said non-US citizens. I was just making a point that non-US citizen and illegal immigrant is very different and that I pay for everything. As for health care, I completely agree with you. IMO social health care is much better. I have never paid when I went to the doctor's office at home and I have never paid any deductibles. Is our technology not super perfect new? It's not as advanced. But everyone has equal access to it. What is the newest CAT scan in the US beneficial to someone who can't afford it....

OK so how about the wives of military members that are working on their citizenship they are non citizens so should they not get health care until every American citizen has health care. (not a snarky question)

I don't personally see why the citizens of America shouldn't come first, however, I agree with Trina that everyone should be entitled to healthcare under the SAME rules & regulations, such as Universal Healthcare. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Ya'll keep talking from a military standpoint, where you have Free, or very reduced cost in medical care. I am talking now as a civilian family who has to pay out the arse to have medical coverage.

To be fair, she didn't say that "non-US citizens" shouldn't get care at all. She said that they shouldn't get BETTER COVERAGE. Since she is talking about how non-citizens got coverage that she personally can't, all her statement implies is that citizens should get that same coverage without the consequences she has as a citizen, not the non-citizens shouldn't get it.

I understand. But if you read my post, all I said is that I get what I pay for. It can be better if I pay for it. I nowhere implied that she said that we don't deserve any coverage. Or did I?

To be fair, she didn't say that "non-US citizens" shouldn't get care at all. She said that they shouldn't get BETTER COVERAGE. Since she is talking about how non-citizens got coverage that she personally can't, all her statement implies is that citizens should get that same coverage without the consequences she has as a citizen, not the non-citizens shouldn't get it.

THANK YOU again Trina. You are saying it much better than I can at the moment. I am to hot headed for this topic I think.

Um, excuse me? When they are in the military, are they not given Tricare and free medical care? Did I even bring up military personnel of any sort? My husband served for almost 10 years in the military and I take great offense to that.

I have great pride in anyone who is willing to serve in our Armed Forces.

I am not trying to offend you.
You said Non-Citizens, US residents are not citizens.
You said Non-Citizens shouldn't get the same medical care as citizens.

Let me rephrase the question, do you believe non-citizens serving in the military should not get the same medical care as citizens?

Quoting you
"Non-US Citizens IMO, should not be granted better medical coverage than people who are citizens, period. JMO, and I feel very strongly about it."


When you mean non Citizens, are you talking about illegals or everyone that's not a citizen?

Val- confused

I cannot care enough. I get private loans go to school full time and am trying to get two jobs. Really to each his own. I cannot speak on health care, b/c my mom is an resident alien, and my dad is a citizen. I get a lot of $ for health care per year. I have never had the problem... sorry

Just curious as to how you do this? :puzz

I am not trying to offend you.
You said Non-Citizens, US residents are not citizens.
You said Non-Citizens shouldn't get the same medical care as citizens.

Let me rephrase the question, do you believe non-citizens serving in the military should not get the same medical care as citizens?

Quoting you
"Non-US Citizens IMO, should not be granted better medical coverage than people who are citizens, period. JMO, and I feel very strongly about it."


When you mean non Citizens, are you talking about illegals or everyone that's not a citizen?

Val- confused

:confused I wasn't aware that non-citizens could serve in the U.S military...?

I understand. But if you read my post, all I said is that I get what I pay for. It can be better if I pay for it. I nowhere implied that she said that we don't deserve any coverage. Or did I?

So people should literally have to pay thousands every month in order to have good health coverage? That's what the whole you get what you pay for thing implies, IMO.

I am not trying to offend you.
You said Non-Citizens, US residents are not citizens.
You said Non-Citizens shouldn't get the same medical care as citizens.

Let me rephrase the question, do you believe non-citizens serving in the military should not get the same medical care as citizens?

Quoting you
"Non-US Citizens IMO, should not be granted better medical coverage than people who are citizens, period. JMO, and I feel very strongly about it."


When you mean non Citizens, are you talking about illegals or everyone that's not a citizen?
Val- confused


That's exactly what I am referring to. I am not an illegal, but I am a non-US citizen.

I don't personally see why the citizens of America shouldn't come first, however, I agree with Trina that everyone should be entitled to healthcare under the SAME rules & regulations, such as Universal Healthcare. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening anytime soon.

Ya'll keep talking from a military standpoint, where you have Free, or very reduced cost in medical care. I am talking now as a civilian family who has to pay out the arse to have medical coverage.

I completely agree with you. Medical was my BIGGEST fear if DH was going to be forced out with Gabe's medical history.

I am not trying to offend you.
You said Non-Citizens, US residents are not citizens.
You said Non-Citizens shouldn't get the same medical care as citizens.

Let me rephrase the question, do you believe non-citizens serving in the military should not get the same medical care as citizens?

Quoting you
"Non-US Citizens IMO, should not be granted better medical coverage than people who are citizens, period. JMO, and I feel very strongly about it."


When you mean non Citizens, are you talking about illegals or everyone that's not a citizen?

Val- confused

again, :puzz??

:agree

Legal immigrants are totally different than illegal immigrants

I didn't say anything about illegal immigrants, I said Non-US Citizens.

That's exactly what I am referring to. I am not an illegal, but I am a non-US citizen.

Please don't take this the wrong way, and you will have to excuse my ignorance, but if you are not an illegal, and a non U.S citizen, then what are you? :puzz

So people should literally have to pay thousands every month in order to have good health coverage? That's what the whole you get what you pay for thing implies, IMO.

Please don't try to make me look silly. Did you reead my whole soap box about social healthcare and how I believe it is better? What my post said, is that I as a non-US citizen get what I paid for. Which means that I do not get better or FREE medical coverage. I pay for it-I get it. I don't pay for it-I don't get it. It's that simple

I didn't say anything about illegal immigrants, I said Non-US Citizens.

Non-US Citizen are referred to BOTH legal immigrants and illegal immigrants

I am not trying to offend you.
You said Non-Citizens, US residents are not citizens.
You said Non-Citizens shouldn't get the same medical care as citizens.

Let me rephrase the question, do you believe non-citizens serving in the military should not get the same medical care as citizens?

Quoting you
"Non-US Citizens IMO, should not be granted better medical coverage than people who are citizens, period. JMO, and I feel very strongly about it."


When you mean non Citizens, are you talking about illegals or everyone that's not a citizen?

Val- confused


For one, I did not say CARE, I said COVERAGE. Two very different things.

Why is this turning into a military issue? If you want to come here and serve in our military, then you are entitled to all the benefits that the military has to offer. I do not, and would not dispute that.

Just curious as to how you do this? :puzz

Haha, um I am covered under Boeing health care and dental until I am 21. I get 1.5 Million a year in health care costs. 70% dental and 10$ co-pay maybe it is 15.

Please don't take this the wrong way, and you will have to excuse my ignorance, but if you are not an illegal, and a non U.S citizen, then what are you? :puzz

I am an international student on student visa. Legally entered the country, legally studying on a visa. But that does not make me a citizen

Ok so if you come to the U.S as an immigrant, isn't the objective (for the majority) to become a U.S. citizen? And how long does it take you to become a U.S. citizen versus being a legal alien?

Please don't take this the wrong way, and you will have to excuse my ignorance, but if you are not an illegal, and a non U.S citizen, then what are you? :puzz

A resident alien? Student visas, Alien? Idk. I am :puzz too!

Non-US Citizen are referred to BOTH legal immigrants and illegal immigrants

THANK YOU! That is what I am trying to say

NON US Citizen include BOTH legal immigrants and illegal immigrants

I view them differently because illegal immigrants aren't typically granted access to things like free medical care, unless they become a resident, are here on a work or student visa, etc etc as someone else stated.

I'm sorry if you all are taking offense to MY OPINION on the matter. I've worked in the medical field for a long time, I know what I've experienced and seen, and I know that our health insurance is crippling us financially and it is not right in my opinion.

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis

Haha, um I am covered under Boeing health care and dental until I am 21. I get 1.5 Million a year in health care costs. 70% dental and 10$ co-pay maybe it is 15.
:wow that is really good coverage!! When you say Boeing, do you mean as in the jet/airplane company?

I am an international student on student visa. Legally entered the country, legally studying on a visa. But that does not make me a citizen
Gotcha. Thanks for explaining.

Ok so if you come to the U.S as an immigrant, isn't the objective (for the majority) to become a U.S. citizen? And how long does it take you to become a U.S. citizen versus being a legal alien?

my grandmother was a legal immigrant for 15 years. she couldnt decide if she wanted to become a citizen or not. she would lose all her propery and what not in korea, because she cant do duel citizenship. she came to the states because that was where my mom and us are. not everyone that comes here legally has the intention of becoming a citizen. which i have no issues with as long as they come here legally.

For one, I did not say CARE, I said COVERAGE. Two very different things.

Why is this turning into a military issue? If you want to come here and serve in our military, then you are entitled to all the benefits that the military has to offer. I do not, and would not dispute that.

I am not trying to turn it into a military issue, honestly.
I was curious to know if your views applied to all non citizens.
I am not intentionally trying to upset you and I apologize if it seems that way.
If you want me to shut up, i will.:D

I am not a US citizen
I am a US resident for over 20+ years
I served in the military

I am one of those non citizens you are talking about.

My mom wanted to keep here Korean citizenship even though she came over at the age of 9. She does not care that she cannot vote. She would rather be a citizen of Korea. I agree with Donna they ahve property over there... and businesses they do not want to give up. She is a resident alien

my grandmother was a legal immigrant for 15 years. she couldnt decide if she wanted to become a citizen or not. she would lose all her propery and what not in korea, because she cant do duel citizenship. she came to the states because that was where my mom and us are. not everyone that comes here legally has the intention of becoming a citizen. which i have no issues with as long as they come here legally.

Wow, I didn't know that was how it worked. :(

Ok so if you come to the U.S as an immigrant, isn't the objective (for the majority) to become a U.S. citizen? And how long does it take you to become a U.S. citizen versus being a legal alien?

I can't speak for anyone else, but my objective is to get an education and go back. I don't know how long it takes to become a citizen. On average around 5 years I believe??? I don't really know

My mom wanted to keep here Korean citizenship even though she came over at the age of 9. She does not care that she cannot vote. She would rather be a citizen of Korea. I agree with Donna they ahve property over there... and businesses they do not want to give up. She is a resident alien

my grandmother finally did it. she made a deal with her sister, and her sister bought all her property and stuff from her. that is what is paying for her medical bills that medicare isnt covering.

Please don't try to make me look silly. Did you reead my whole soap box about social healthcare and how I believe it is better? What my post said, is that I as a non-US citizen get what I paid for. Which means that I do not get better or FREE medical coverage. I pay for it-I get it. I don't pay for it-I don't get it. It's that simple

I'm not trying to make you look silly in the least. You are coming at me with questions and I am responding. And my response is what my opinion is on the "you get what you pay for" thing.

Depending on your income and what state you live in, you could infact get FREE medical coverage even though you are not a US Citizen.

:wow that is really good coverage!! When you say Boeing, do you mean as in the jet/airplane company?


Gotcha. Thanks for explaining.

Yup. My dad has worked for them for over 20 years... he has Crohns disease and the health care Boeing gives is one of the best. Some of his meds are like 50$ a pill. So, that is why he still works for them... that and he loves airplanes.
So, no matter what my job offers me I am still "dependent" upon him and my mother. Thus, covered till next May.

I view them differently because illegal immigrants aren't typically granted access to things like free medical care, unless they become a resident, are here on a work or student visa, etc etc as someone else stated.

I'm sorry if you all are taking offense to MY OPINION on the matter. I've worked in the medical field for a long time, I know what I've experienced and seen, and I know that our health insurance is crippling us financially and it is not right in my opinion.

Ok, I understand now.

I agree with you about insurance, my in laws have been working all the lives, they just lost their jobs and have to decide between medications or putting food on the table.

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I am not trying to turn it into a military issue, honestly.
I was curious to know if your views applied to all non citizens.
I am not intentionally trying to upset you and I apologize if it seems that way.
If you want me to shut up, i will.:D

I am not a US citizen
I am a US resident for over 20+ years
I served in the military

I am one of those non citizens you are talking about.
I honestly didn't realize you didn't have to be a U.S citizen to join the U.S military. I feel like such a dummy. Can I ask why you don't choose to become a U.S citizen?

My mom wanted to keep here Korean citizenship even though she came over at the age of 9. She does not care that she cannot vote. She would rather be a citizen of Korea. I agree with Donna they ahve property over there... and businesses they do not want to give up. She is a resident alien
So since, your mom is a resident alien, can she do anything else that an American can? Examples, health insurance, taxes and whatnot? Again, please excuse my ignorance, this is NOT my field of expertise!

Ok so if you come to the U.S as an immigrant, isn't the objective (for the majority) to become a U.S. citizen? And how long does it take you to become a U.S. citizen versus being a legal alien?

Students that come here on a student visa, after you complete your degree, you HAVE to go back to your own country UNLESS you get a job here in the US then you can get a different type of visa, it is called working visa.(it is a lot more complicated than getting a student visa) Then if you work for 5 years, then you can apply for a green card. Another circumstance is that if you get married to a U.S citizen, you can also apply to become a permanent resident and it is a LONG process also.

I can't speak for anyone else, but my objective is to get an education and go back. I don't know how long it takes to become a citizen. On average around 5 years I believe??? I don't really know

But why? The U.S has one of the highest (if not the highest) costs for education. Why would you pay to get a degree here? I am sorry, not trying to be nosy, just trying to understand!

I'm not trying to make you look silly in the least. You are coming at me with questions and I am responding. And my response is what my opinion is on the "you get what you pay for" thing.

Depending on your income and what state you live in, you could infact get FREE medical coverage even though you are not a US Citizen.

Because I am on an F-1 visa I do not qualify for any federal assistance. I have to pay for my medical insurance. My statement was: I get what I pay for, not everyone gets what they pay for. I do not believe in that.
By my statement I simply meant that I get insurance IF I pay.
I agree with you on illegal immigration. There are babies born in the US who do not have medical coverage from their own government and illega immigrant should enter legally, just like the rest of us did. I simply want to make sure that I don't get reffered to as an "immigrant" or an "illegal".
Can you tell that it has happened before?:D:D:D

I honestly didn't realize you didn't have to be a U.S citizen to join the U.S military. I feel like such a dummy. Can I ask why you don't choose to become a U.S citizen?

I want to, my parents are US citizens but that happened after I joined the Marines.The application process took forever, and we were never in one place long enough to see it thru.

Things have gotten easier, in the past couple of years and I am planning on starting the process again.

I honestly didn't realize you didn't have to be a U.S citizen to join the U.S military. I feel like such a dummy. Can I ask why you don't choose to become a U.S citizen?


So since, your mom is a resident alien, can she do anything else that an American can? Examples, health insurance, taxes and whatnot? Again, please excuse my ignorance, this is NOT my field of expertise!

I know you didnt ask me. But my grandmother had a social security number, paid taxes, had medical insurance through her work. the only reason she became a citizen was because she was getting close to being forced to retire. now that she is a citizen, she is able to get social security and medicare based on what she paid into while she was a resident alien.

Students that come here on a student visa, after you complete your degree, you HAVE to go back to your own country UNLESS you get a job here in the US then you can get a different type of visa, it is called working visa.(it is a lot more complicated than getting a student visa) Then if you work for 5 years, then you can apply for a green card. Another circumstance is that if you get married to a U.S citizen, you can also apply to become a permanent resident and it is a LONG process also.

Ok, that part I understood, just a little confused about why anyone would want to come to the U.S for college and pay more to go here than it would cost in their home country. :puzz

I am not trying to turn it into a military issue, honestly.
I was curious to know if your views applied to all non citizens.
I am not intentionally trying to upset you and I apologize if it seems that way.
If you want me to shut up, i will.:D

I am not a US citizen
I am a US resident for over 20+ years
I served in the military

I am one of those non citizens you are talking about.


But, you did serve in the military and receive those benefits that you were entitled to, and I have no problem with that. I'm also a believer that anyone who has served in the military should get lifetime medical coverage, not just for retiree's, but that's a whole different topic.

So since, your mom is a resident alien, can she do anything else that an American can? Examples, health insurance, taxes and whatnot? Again, please excuse my ignorance, this is NOT my field of expertise!

Pretty much yes she can. Except vote or run for president! :lmao
She gets heath care through Boeing as well, she is an employee w/ them, and pays taxes.
Haha I do not think you are ignorant hun. At least you are looking for answers... not just making assumptions. :)

I know you didnt ask me. But my grandmother had a social security number, paid taxes, had medical insurance through her work. the only reason she became a citizen was because she was getting close to being forced to retire. now that she is a citizen, she is able to get social security and medicare based on what she paid into while she was a resident alien.

Gotcha, so if you aren't a citizen, you just can't get medicare and social security...right?

But why? The U.S has one of the highest (if not the highest) costs for education. Why would you pay to get a degree here? I am sorry, not trying to be nosy, just trying to understand!

You are not being nosey:D What my plan is..I am studying early childhood education and it was better for me to get a degree here, because I want to teach at one of the "international schools" that we have in Europe now. The schools that kids from all over the world go to when their parents are asisgned to the country for bussiness/military/diplomats etc. If I get my education here, I can see what the kids are used to over here and help them with their transition to the European country that they are living in.

Gotcha, so if you aren't a citizen, you just can't get medicare and social security...right?

I am not 100% for sure on that one. I just know that my grandmother did it because she was afraid of losing medical coverage if she didnt.

Pretty much. I will look for rights resident aliens have according to INS

Pretty much yes she can. Except vote or run for president! :lmao
She gets heath care through Boeing as well, she is an employee w/ them, and pays taxes.
Haha I do not think you are ignorant hun. At least you are looking for answers... not just making assumptions. :)

Well thanks for that :blush but I still feel silly. My closest friends are from Australia and Argentina, so I feel like I should know these things! :duh

Ok, I understand now.

I agree with you about insurance, my in laws have been working all the lives, they just lost their jobs and have to decide between medications or putting food on the table.

We are in that position now. My seizure medication alone is over $1,000 for a one month supply if you don't have insurance. Even with my prescription plan, I still pay alot for it. And that is only one of the meds I take.

I had to cancel all my doctor appointments for this month because I literally can't afford to go.

You are not being nosey:D What my plan is..I am studying early childhood education and it was better for me to get a degree here, because I want to teach at one of the "international schools" that we have in Europe now. The schools that kids from all over the world go to when their parents are asisgned to the country for bussiness/military/diplomats etc. If I get my education here, I can see what the kids are used to over here and help them with their transition to the European country that they are living in.

Well that makes sense, and seems like a good idea to me!

Rights
As a Permanent Resident you have most of the rights of a United States Citizen but there are some exceptions.
Rights

* To live permanently in the United States provided you do not commit any actions that would make you removable (deportable) under the immigration law (section 237, Immigration and Nationality Act).
* To be employed in the United States at any legal work of your qualification and choosing.
* To be protected by all of the laws of the United States, your state of residence and local jurisdictions.
* To vote in local elections where United States Citizenship is not required.

Exceptions

* Some jobs will be limited to United States Citizens because of security concerns.
* You may not vote in elections limited to United States Citizens.



Responsibilities
You are required to obey all of the laws of the United States, the States, and localities. You are required to file your income tax returns and report your income to the US Internal Revenue Service and State IRS. You are expected to support the democratic form of government and cannot attempt to change the government through illegal means. If you are a male, age 18 through 25, you are required to register with the Selective Service.



International Travel
A Permanent Resident of the United States can travel freely outside of the US. A passport from the country of citizenship is normally all that is needed. To reenter the US a Permanent Resident normally needs to present the green card (Permanent Resident Card, Form I-551) for readmission. A reentry permit is needed for reentry for trips greater than one year but less than two years in duration.

You can find more information about travel documents from "How Do I Get a Travel Document?"



Maintaining Permanent Residence
Maintaining Permanent Residence You may lose your permanent residence status if you commit an act that makes you removable from the United States under the law in section 237 of the Immigration and Nationality Act. If you commit such an act, you may be brought before the immigration courts to determine your right to remain a Permanent Resident.

Rights
As a Permanent Resident you have most of the rights of a United States Citizen but there are some exceptions.
Rights

* To live permanently in the United States provided you do not commit any actions that would make you removable (deportable) under the immigration law (section 237, Immigration and Nationality Act).
* To be employed in the United States at any legal work of your qualification and choosing.
* To be protected by all of the laws of the United States, your state of residence and local jurisdictions.
* To vote in local elections where United States Citizenship is not required.

Exceptions

* Some jobs will be limited to United States Citizens because of security concerns.
* You may not vote in elections limited to United States Citizens.



Responsibilities
You are required to obey all of the laws of the United States, the States, and localities. You are required to file your income tax returns and report your income to the US Internal Revenue Service and State IRS. You are expected to support the democratic form of government and cannot attempt to change the government through illegal means. If you are a male, age 18 through 25, you are required to register with the Selective Service.



International Travel
A Permanent Resident of the United States can travel freely outside of the US. A passport from the country of citizenship is normally all that is needed. To reenter the US a Permanent Resident normally needs to present the green card (Permanent Resident Card, Form I-551) for readmission. A reentry permit is needed for reentry for trips greater than one year but less than two years in duration.

You can find more information about travel documents from "How Do I Get a Travel Document?"



Maintaining Permanent Residence
Maintaining Permanent Residence You may lose your permanent residence status if you commit an act that makes you removable from the United States under the law in section 237 of the Immigration and Nationality Act. If you commit such an act, you may be brought before the immigration courts to determine your right to remain a Permanent Resident.

Good link thanks for the info!! :)

Because I am on an F-1 visa I do not qualify for any federal assistance. I have to pay for my medical insurance. My statement was: I get what I pay for, not everyone gets what they pay for. I do not believe in that.
By my statement I simply meant that I get insurance IF I pay.
I agree with you on illegal immigration. There are babies born in the US who do not have medical coverage from their own government and illega immigrant should enter legally, just like the rest of us did. I simply want to make sure that I don't get reffered to as an "immigrant" or an "illegal".
Can you tell that it has happened before?:D:D:D

Coming here illegally versus coming here legally is something I view way differently. I was not at any point trying to label you or anyone else on here as an illegal immigrant.

Well that makes sense, and seems like a good idea to me!

Thanks! I love working with kids so I am excited to graduate already! And don't feel silly for not knowing about the immigration/visa issues. It is way too confusing...grin:

Pretty much yes she can. Except vote or run for president! :lmao
She gets heath care through Boeing as well, she is an employee w/ them, and pays taxes.
Haha I do not think you are ignorant hun. At least you are looking for answers... not just making assumptions. :)


I am not making assumptions, if that's what you are referring to.

What is the newest CAT scan in the US beneficial to someone who can't afford it....

EXACTLY...

I understand. But if you read my post, all I said is that I get what I pay for. It can be better if I pay for it. I nowhere implied that she said that we don't deserve any coverage. Or did I?

I was just talking about her post, not what I thought you were saying... I just explained cuz I knew what she meant. Does that make sense? I am getting confused... :lol

Coming here illegally versus coming here legally is something I view way differently. I was not at any point trying to label you or anyone else on here as an illegal immigrant.

I know that for sure you weren't. But is brightstar said, non-US citizen includes illegal and legal immigrants/visa holders.
And as for your prescriptions, that is outrageous. I work at the university health center here and the money I see go through is ridiculous. Especially for prescriptions.But like you said, that is a whole new issue. And we as little people can do nothing about it, because it makes too much money for the insurance and pharmaceutical companies, who in turn pay for many political campaigns...

I am not making assumptions, if that's what you are referring to.

NO!!!! I am not referring to YOU making assumptions at all. I was answering marriedmyhero.

Sorry... we were having multiple conversations.

Kristen never would I say that unless I honestly thought u were! You were espressing YOUR views. Which I totally respect.

I jsut did not fully understand your conversation w/ armyfinacee and so I stayed out of it... :blush

Thanks! I love working with kids so I am excited to graduate already! And don't feel silly for not knowing about the immigration/visa issues. It is way too confusing...grin:

I think that's great what you are doing!

EXACTLY...



I was just talking about her post, not what I thought you were saying... I just explained cuz I knew what she meant. Does that make sense? I am getting confused... :lol

LOL I think we are all getting less confused by now, and now you have to start getting confused? :rofl. I am just kidding. I know that you were just clarifying the post. And I believe we are on the same page now :tu

I know that for sure you weren't. But is brightstar said, non-US citizen includes illegal and legal immigrants/visa holders.
And as for your prescriptions, that is outrageous. I work at the university health center here and the money I see go through is ridiculous. Especially for prescriptions.But like you said, that is a whole new issue. And we as little people can do nothing about it, because it makes too much money for the insurance and pharmaceutical companies, who in turn pay for many political campaigns...

Oh exactly... Its just :nutts and IMO really shameful that the US government allows it to happen.

I think that's great what you are doing!

Thank you!!! :D

:lol The whole thing was a misunderstanding about semantics? Well smack my ass and call me Sally. And the thread isn't even supposed to be about healthcare in the first place. :rofl

Oh exactly... Its just :nutts and IMO really shameful that the US government allows it to happen.

Yes, I don't understand that. The government should be here for the little people, not for the ones who have their pockets full and are grabbing for more..

NO!!!! I am not referring to YOU making assumptions at all. I was answering marriedmyhero.

Sorry... we were having multiple conversations.

Kristen never would I say that unless I honestly thought u were! You were espressing YOUR views. Which I totally respect.

I jsut did not fully understand your conversation w/ armyfinacee and so I stayed out of it... :blush

LOL! Girlie, I've taken my meds, so my head probably isn't on straight at the moment! :lol

And to clarify to the other girls, my opinion comes vastly based on my experience working in/with the medi-cal program alone, and now the fact that we are civilians and having to pay out so much for our insurance.

Oh exactly... Its just :nutts and IMO really shameful that the US government allows it to happen.

I think that's because they are knee deep in that pie.

It's shameful, can you imagine how much money could be saved, if at the very least preventive care and prescription coverage were free.:duh

:lol The whole thing was a misunderstanding about semantics? Well smack my ass and call me Sally. And the thread isn't even supposed to be about healthcare in the first place. :rofl

"*Smack* Hey, Sally!"
Haha well we also discussed immigration policy, resident aliens, and rights... among Boeing, military, and other private/public health care.

Yes, I don't understand that. The government should be here for the little people, not for the ones who have their pockets full and are grabbing for more..

I keep telling my husband that we need to move to Canada, because they atleast have Universal Healthcare. I know some of the Canadian girls on here might disagree with me, but I would sure love to NOT have to pay for health insurance anymore.

:lol The whole thing was a misunderstanding about semantics? Well smack my ass and call me Sally. And the thread isn't even supposed to be about healthcare in the first place. :rofl

LOL!! Hey! We're women, we are allowed to have multiple conversations at the same time and jump from topic to topic. That's what we do :rofl

"*Smack* Hey, Sally!"
Haha well we also discussed immigration policy, resident aliens, and rights... among Boeing, military, and other private/public health care.

:lol Well, at least the immigration stuff was pertinent to the original topic right? Except that the email in the OP wasn't even true... :rofl Whew, what a thread. :giggle

I think that's because they are knee deep in that pie.

It's shameful, can you imagine how much money could be saved, if at the very least preventive care and prescription coverage were free.:duh

Yep, it makes me embarrassed that this is the way the U.S. is run. I mean, I can't believe that the government doesn't find shame in what they are doing, and by allowing insurance companies to pretty much stab us in the back, and our pocketbooks.

I keep telling my husband that we need to move to Canada, because they atleast have Universal Healthcare. I know some of the Canadian girls on here might disagree with me, but I would sure love to NOT have to pay for health insurance anymore.

Oh no joke! Well just as an example...my dad was diagnosed with colon cancer 2 years ago. He received radiation and chemotharapy for free, plus he had 4 surgeries. Cost him $0. In the states, he would be stuck with a huge medical bill and a bankrupcy because he wasn't able to work for a year.

I keep telling my husband that we need to move to Canada, because they atleast have Universal Healthcare. I know some of the Canadian girls on here might disagree with me, but I would sure love to NOT have to pay for health insurance anymore.

NORWAY KRISTEN! NORWAY! They are rated number one in the world for quality of life and all KINDS of stuff, except weather of course... :lol

Oh well, I enjoyed it. It was a mainly nice debate about a plethora of topics... :roflamo

These are the best kind of debates.
I know I learned something new.
Thanks everyone:yourock

Hahaha the best part is someone will not read the whole thread tomorrow morning... and... it will begin again! :D

Oh no joke! Well just as an example...my dad was diagnosed with colon cancer 2 years ago. He received radiation and chemotharapy for free, plus he had 4 surgeries. Cost him $0. In the states, he would be stuck with a huge medical bill and a bankrupcy because he wasn't able to work for a year.

Yep, and that's how it should be here for everyone. Its like you are penalized for having health problems here in the US.

Hahaha the best part is someone will not read the whole thread tomorrow morning... and... it will begin again! :D

:lmao True!! :lol

NORWAY KRISTEN! NORWAY! They are rated number one in the world for quality of life and all KINDS of stuff, except weather of course... :lol

I am so there! You coming with me Trina? :D I can handle the weather, I mean I do live in Montana ya know! :giggle

Yep, it makes me embarrassed that this is the way the U.S. is run. I mean, I can't believe that the government doesn't find shame in what they are doing, and by allowing insurance companies to pretty much stab us in the back, and our pocketbooks.

Me too. It seems like taking care of people when they are sick, hurting, desperate, and scared out of their minds that they could actually DIE should be automatic when it comes to taking care of your people. It is my belief that you can't have a happy or successful country if your people aren't healthy and educated. We are at the point where every other developed nation in the WORLD is surpassing us by leaps and bounds when it comes to healthcare and education. If for no other reason than to keep the US as a world superpower... TAKE CARE OF THE CITIZENS!

It's soooooooo common sense to me.

Wow this thread has been hijacked...

I am so there! You coming with me Trina? :D I can handle the weather, I mean I do live in Montana ya know! :giggle

For quality healthcare, free education (even higher education), super low crime rates, some of the lowest rates of repeat offenders and smallest prison populations in the world, and the highest quality of life in the world I can deal with some cold weather. :P Count me in! :D

Me too. It seems like taking care of people when they are sick, hurting, desperate, and scared out of their minds that they could actually DIE should be automatic when it comes to taking care of your people. It is my belief that you can't have a happy or successful country if your people aren't healthy and educated. We are at the point where every other developed nation in the WORLD is surpassing us by leaps and bounds when it comes to healthcare and education. If for no other reason than to keep the US as a world superpower... TAKE CARE OF THE CITIZENS!

It's soooooooo common sense to me.


You know I (L) you Trina, and completely agree!!

Wow this thread has been hijacked...

That happens quite often on this site, LOL

For quality healthcare, free education (even higher education), super low crime rates, some of the lowest rates of repeat offenders and smallest prison populations in the world, and the highest quality of life in the world I can deal with some cold weather. :P Count me in! :D

Sounds like heaven to me!! I wonder what their immigration regulations are? :thinking

Hehe atleast I was entertained by the hijacking I read everything.

I am sad that my Aunt who is usually good about checking for false chain letters sent it to me, she got me all worked up over something that isn't as bad as I thought.

I have no issue with legal residents and immagrints but illegals get me fired up, pissed off, and the whole nine yards.

Please don't take this the wrong way, and you will have to excuse my ignorance, but if you are not an illegal, and a non U.S citizen, then what are you? :puzz

Someone with a green card. :D (or a visa) In other words they are here legally.

NORWAY KRISTEN! NORWAY! They are rated number one in the world for quality of life and all KINDS of stuff, except weather of course... :lol

Yep for some reason Norway, Sweden and a few others up there in the Netherlands really have got it together.

Yep for some reason Norway, Sweden and a few others up there in the Netherlands really have got it together.

Yes, it appears so! I just looked up Norway regs, and you have to get a work and residence permit to go there, and:
Everyone who applies for Norwegian citizenship after 1 September 2008 must be able to document that they have completed 300 hours of Norwegian language tuition or be able to document adequate knowledge of Norwegian or Sami. This applies to everyone regardless of when they were granted residence permits

Among many other things you have to do, which is completely understandable.

http://www.udi.no/templates/Tema.aspx?id=7395

I enjoyed reading this debate. I was going to throw in my two cents but thought better of it..

Hahaha the best part is someone will not read the whole thread tomorrow morning... and... it will begin again! :D

I enjoyed reading this debate. I was going to throw in my two cents but thought better of it..


I have to say that i also almost put in my two cents, but thank god I could not bare to read the whole things and skip to the last page, good thing i did.

I enjoyed reading this debate. I was going to throw in my two cents but thought better of it..

I have to say that i also almost put in my two cents, but thank god I could not bare to read the whole things and skip to the last page, good thing i did.

Haha awww.... it would have been fine I was just super tired adn was like "really..." Lmao

I am NOT the debate thread police! :roflmao

I was going to start "bitching" but stop when I read where the thread was going. It was a good debate.
Just to add...you get a social security number when you are on a work visa. I had one when I worked in California for 18 months. And also paid taxes.

Oh...Norway and Sweden have expensive alcohol and cigarettes. That's what I have been told by my swedish and norweign friends. But you are right..the government do pay their education, and not just in Norway but also if you decide to study overseas. I had friends from those country studying in Switzerland, U.K and even Australia and all of the school fees were paid for.

I was going to start "bitching" but stop when I read where the thread was going. It was a good debate.
Just to add...you get a social security number when you are on a work visa. I had one when I worked in California for 18 months. And also paid taxes.

Oh...Norway and Sweden have expensive alcohol and cigarettes. That's what I have been told by my swedish and norweign friends. But you are right..the government do pay their education, and not just in Norway but also if you decide to study overseas. I had friends from those country studying in Switzerland, U.K and even Australia and all of the school fees were paid for.

I billed A LOT of claims for people who had no SSN#'s.

And the alcohol & cigarette thing wouldn't bother me because I don't smoke or drink. :D

wow i read all 13 pages... so proud of myself lol i was going to comment on the first post but the thread somewhere took a different turn lol. our healthcare system is horrible i will agree with trina on that issue. the immigration system is way to confusing to me though so i am not going to comment on that one. as for the illegal, legal and visa clad people my husband is the 4th youngest of 21 children * yes 21 that is not a typo* we have a little of all three in the family so i try to stay out of the topic as much as possible

and with that said i think this thread was a very good read. thank you to all that posted to it. i learned some new things and that is always a good thing.

wow i read all 13 pages... so proud of myself lol i was going to comment on the first post but the thread somewhere took a different turn lol. our healthcare system is horrible i will agree with trina on that issue. the immigration system is way to confusing to me though so i am not going to comment on that one. as for the illegal, legal and visa clad people my husband is the 4th youngest of 21 children * yes 21 that is not a typo* we have a little of all three in the family so i try to stay out of the topic as much as possible

and with that said i think this thread was a very good read. thank you to all that posted to it. i learned some new things and that is always a good thing.

Holy Moley 21.... I can barely stand three siblings... Iam glad ppl read the entire debate tho... I thought it was a good one providing how late it was when it started

Haha, um I am covered under Boeing health care and dental until I am 21. I get 1.5 Million a year in health care costs. 70% dental and 10$ co-pay maybe it is 15.

:woot for Unions!

I was raised in a union family... I have 100% medical and dental with no co-pay until I'm 24 (as long as I'm enrolled full-time in college).... $5 eye appointments.... and $1 prescriptions.

I am NOT looking forward to turning 24.... I've definitely taken advantage of my insurance, so I'm sure my thick medical file is gonna screw me over when trying to find my own insurance. :sigh