:devil
he he he he!
i just want to debate about religion ya'll!!!!
;)

I'm a Christian converted from muslim. I got saved a few months ago.
I never really read the quran just sometimes but i never understood it for real. And then one night i got on my knees and prayed and asked got to bring me closer to Him I didnt know Him and i wanted to be closer and show me the real Him. And when i woke up the next morning I felt the Holy Spirit inside me tell me to open up the Bible and the Quran and i did and He led me to pages in the Quran about things that I DO NOT believe in and then He led me to pages in the Bible (never opened a Bible up before this) where is proves that He is the Lord and the Trinity is real and all that stuff. and from then on i am a devoted Christian I practice everyday i accepted Jesus Christ as my personal savior and all that great stuff! ha ha.
I don't believe in stuff said in the quran like fight your enemies and kill jews and christians uhm.. beat your wives.. blasphemous stuff like that..
i dont believe in the religions where you have many gods.. idols.. things like that..
I RESPECT EVERYONES BELIEFS but i dont believe in it myself.. so get that right! ha ha ha
so yeah..
what about youuuu!!!

Good luck with this I don't think many of us are willing to touch this with a ten foot pole.

Good luck with this I don't think many of us are willing to touch this with a ten foot pole.

why not?
you should be proud with your beliefs girl!!

there is a great thread about testimony in the spirituality section...i'll leave my response at that:tu

you girls tickle me.. well i guess never mind.. i thought it woulda been fun..
i mean im not one to judge or get catty with no one..
i just LOVE LOVE LOVE hearing others opinions WITHOUT judgment and hate and stuff like that..
kwim????

stick it in a context of non-debate, but just "share your beliefs" and you might get a better response...i don't know...my testimony is in that thread i told you about though, so i didn't want to retype it...:D

I am a Christian and go to church at a Church of Christ but honestly I'm not a huge fan of organized religion when it comes down to it. I go to church because I want to and I think it's good to be around other Christians but I think that many tend to get wrapped up in rules/traditions and don't focus on what is actually important (which I would consider to be love, mercy, forgiveness, etc.).

I have something to say but it is sort of off topic so I will leave it alone. I am glad for you that you found a connection that suits you.

I'm a Christian, my family was all raised Catholic... kinda like peas and carrots. They have their differences. Umm... I don't practice it as much as I used to but all that really matters is what's in my heart.
I don't really mind other religions at all, as long as it doesn't mean someone will attack me or my family... or push their beleifs on me. I'm cool as long as they don't come in my bubble... :suspect

I have something to say but it is sort of off topic so I will leave it alone. I am glad for you that you found a connection that suits you.

SO share it.. i wanna hear it! he he he.

you girls tickle me.. well i guess never mind.. i thought it woulda been fun..
i mean im not one to judge or get catty with no one..
i just LOVE LOVE LOVE hearing others opinions WITHOUT judgment and hate and stuff like that..
kwim????

Trust me ....you DO NOT want to debate religion with the women on this board. This is a debate that can get very ugly and heated and peoples feelings get hurt even with your good intentions of hearing others opinions without judgement and hate.

I'm a Christian, my family was all raised Catholic... kinda like peas and carrots. They have their differences. Umm... I don't practice it as much as I used to but all that really matters is what's in my heart.
I don't really mind other religions at all, as long as it doesn't mean someone will attack me or my family... or push their beleifs on me. I'm cool as long as they don't come in my bubble... :suspect

Catholics are Christians

I'm a Christian, my family was all raised Catholic... kinda like peas and carrots. They have their differences. Umm... I don't practice it as much as I used to but all that really matters is what's in my heart.
I don't really mind other religions at all, as long as it doesn't mean someone will attack me or my family... or push their beleifs on me. I'm cool as long as they don't come in my bubble... :suspect

yeah me to girl!
one time a Johovah witness came to my door and i answered and then he just LET HIMSELF IN MY HOUSE!!! i was like excuse me?!!! get the hell outta my house!! and he's like you need this and believe that.. and i'm like right now i believe you need to get outta my house before i call the police on you!
it was horrible BUT i still respected him and his beliefs. i was just scared and stuff.

you girls tickle me.. well i guess never mind.. i thought it woulda been fun..
i mean im not one to judge or get catty with no one..
i just LOVE LOVE LOVE hearing others opinions WITHOUT judgment and hate and stuff like that..
kwim????

For someone who says that they wanted an exchange of opinions without judgment your first post of this thread was VERY judgmental. Have you considered that we might have Muslim members here on SOS who might get offended by your words about the religion they still practice (I say still since you no longer practice that religion)? Starting it in the debate section and with the smilies and words you used was just not the way to go about when trying to talk about this topic.

SO share it.. i wanna hear it! he he he.

No you don't trust me and it is really petty.

I don't debate religion as I feel there is no way of knowing what is out there. We just have to have faith which means to me there is no wrong or right religion/belief system.

Trust me ....you DO NOT want to debate religion with the women on this board. This is a debate that can get very ugly and heated and peoples feelings get hurt even with your good intentions of hearing others opinions without judgement and hate.

yeah that really sucks.. :sigh

For someone who says that they wanted an exchange of opinions without judgment your first post of this thread was VERY judgmental. Have you considered that we might have Muslim members here on SOS who might get offended by your words about the religion they still practice (I say still since you no longer practice that religion)? Starting it in the debate section and with the smilies and words you used was just not the way to go about when trying to talk about this topic.

:agree

I believe in Theravada Buddhism. My parents never raised us to be buddhist, just something that i am accustom too and stuck to it. I went to a baptist church to explore other beliefs, but always find myself coming back to buddhism.

We believe alot in Karma.

For someone who says that they wanted an exchange of opinions without judgment your first post of this thread was VERY judgmental. Have you considered that we might have Muslim members here on SOS who might get offended by your words about the religion they still practice (I say still since you no longer practice that religion)? Starting it in the debate section and with the smilies and words you used was just not the way to go about when trying to talk about this topic.

i dont see judgment in anything i said but thats the way you feel so good for you girl!
all i said was what I went through.. i talk to my father everyday who is a devoted Muslim there is no reason for me to judge it but say what I feel about it. kwim?.
and if i wanna put smiles and stuff i can.. theres no problem to me with what i said.

I believe in Theravada Buddhism. My parents never raised us to be buddhist, just something that i am accustom too and stuck to it. I went to a baptist church to explore other beliefs, but always find myself coming back to what I buddhism.

We believe alot in Karma,

wow thats really awesome. what kinda stuff do you do as far as worship and stuff?
i believe in karma too!

For someone who says that they wanted an exchange of opinions without judgment your first post of this thread was VERY judgmental. Have you considered that we might have Muslim members here on SOS who might get offended by your words about the religion they still practice (I say still since you no longer practice that religion)? Starting it in the debate section and with the smilies and words you used was just not the way to go about when trying to talk about this topic.
Thank you for saying this...I was very upset when I read the thread. Some people are just so ignorant.

why isn't this in spirituality and personal growth?

wow thats really awesome. what kinda stuff do you do as far as worship and stuff?
i believe in karma too!


I don't do much as far as going to temples to worship. What i do is mainly from my home. I burn incent a lot to pray for to my dead ancestors. I only go to the temple maybe twice a year, which is on our New Year's and in October when it is the day for the dead, its kinda like our halloween but to give thanks and food for our dead ancestors.

What my parents did teach us is to respect elders and others. Don't judge people for what they cannot control. Just basically what we all try to embed in our kids, good morals.

I only believe in the Golden Rule.

This seems more like you want a discussion and for people to share their beliefs. If that is so it shouldn't be in debates.

If you want a debate, it seems you went about it in the wrong way. And you should probably be more specific on what about religion you want to debate.

This seems more like you want a discussion and for people to share their beliefs. If that is so it shouldn't be in debates.

If you want a debate, it seems you went about it in the wrong way. And you should probably be more specific on what about religion you want to debate.

yeah you're right.. my fault..
i didn't mean for it to be a debate.. i thought debate like a discussion not the way you ladies look at it..
besides i didnt find that one forum about spirituality until after i posted this.. so yeah.

I don't do much as far as going to temples to worship. What i do is mainly from my home. I burn incent a lot to pray for to my dead ancestors. I only go to the temple maybe twice a year, which is on our New Year's and in October when it is the day for the dead, its kinda like our halloween but to give thanks and food for our dead ancestors.

What my parents did teach us is to respect elders and others. Don't judge people for what they cannot control. Just basically what we all try to embed in our kids, good morals.

wow thats really wonderful.
i really like that alot.

Thank you for saying this...I was very upset when I read the thread. Some people are just so ignorant.

you just didn't know my intentions so for you to call me ignorant and not know my intentions makes you ignorant too doesn't it?
no hard feelings though.
you are entitled to your opinions girl. i respect that.

I would debate religion but people can't seem to do that without taking it personally. You can't say that you believe that certain practices or doctrine in a religion is wrong without people saying that you are personally calling THEM wrong. People take the fact that I am atheist as a personal insult all the time as if my beliefs are the same thing as me calling them stupid or something. :lol

So, unfortunately, religion "debates" usually don't go over well.

I would debate religion but people can't seem to do that without taking it personally. You can't say that you believe that certain practices or doctrine in a religion is wrong without people saying that you are personally calling THEM wrong. People take the fact that I am atheist as a personal insult all the time as if my beliefs are the same thing as me calling them stupid or something. :lol

So, unfortunately, religion "debates" usually don't go over well.

yeah i didn't think about it at the time. that was my fault. i meant it in the most innocent way possible but whatever.

i dont really understand atheism what is it all about? what do you do?

I'm christian... that's all I'm going to say

yeah i didn't think about it at the time. that was my fault. i meant it in the most innocent way possible but whatever.

i dont really understand atheism what is it all about? what do you do?

Well, I don't really "do" anything. Atheist means you don't believe in God or a higher power. I am more of a the universe is complex and amazing and all of the answers we need can be found in everything around us. I don't feel like I need something outside of myself to explain life, if that makes sense. I know a lot of people believe in a higher power... makes them feel that sense of purpose, that they aren't alone, etc. I am totally cool with that. Whatever makes people happy is fine by me! I just don't personally believe it. I am a gotta see it to believe it kinda girl. :P

Well, I don't really "do" anything. Atheist means you don't believe in God or a higher power. I am more of a the universe is complex and amazing and all of the answers we need can be found in everything around us. I don't feel like I need something outside of myself to explain life, if that makes sense. I know a lot of people believe in a higher power... makes them feel that sense of purpose, that they aren't alone, etc. I am totally cool with that. Whatever makes people happy is fine by me! I just don't personally believe it. I am a gotta see it to believe it kinda girl. :P

well thats really awesome. i respect that.
but being a Christian isnt because it makes me feel that sense of purpose and loneliness and stuff girl. Believing in Christianity and excepting Jesus Christ as my Savior is Faith. He doesn't need to show me His face for me to believe kwim girl? He shows me His face through everything on this earth. He has blessed me with the Holy Spirit which is the Power of believing. God brought his Son Jesus Christ (God incarnated) as a means for us to believe because if God came down as Him the spirit we as humans couldn't believe because our minds can only take so much and we'd prolly get scared so he sent down His Son and His Son preached the Word and He died on the cross to clean our sins (we were born in sin) and once He died and resurrected He blessed us with the Holy Spirit. And THAT is what makes us believe, the Power within us That Faith He has given inside of us. The Holy Spirit speaks through me daily! That is why I believe I feel the Holy Spirit I see His face everytime I wake up in the morning and see my family healthy and we are able to pick up the Bible and pray and do the right things in God's eyes. I could go on. But that's some of it kwim girl?
So yeah thats my faith and i hope you respect it as much as i respect yours.
Thanks for sharing and being so nice!

well thats really awesome. i respect that.
but being a Christian isnt because it makes me feel that sense of purpose and loneliness and stuff girl. Believing in Christianity and excepting Jesus Christ as my Savior is Faith. He doesn't need to show me His face for me to believe kwim girl? He shows me His face through everything on this earth. He has blessed me with the Holy Spirit which is the Power of believing. God brought his Son Jesus Christ (God incarnated) as a means for us to believe because if God came down as Him the spirit we as humans couldn't believe because our minds can only take so much and we'd prolly get scared so he sent down His Son and His Son preached the Word and He died on the cross to clean our sins (we were born in sin) and once He died and resurrected He blessed us with the Holy Spirit. And THAT is what makes us believe, the Power within us That Faith He has given inside of us. The Holy Spirit speaks through me daily! That is why I believe I feel the Holy Spirit I see His face everytime I wake up in the morning and see my family healthy and we are able to pick up the Bible and pray and do the right things in God's eyes. I could go on. But that's some of it kwim girl?
So yeah thats my faith and i hope you respect it as much as i respect yours.
Thanks for sharing and being so nice!

Of course I respect your beliefs. My whole family is Christian and I was raised Christian so I know a lot about their beliefs. I have read the bible multiple times. I admittedly have a really hard time with faith. I can't accept something that someone tells me without some empirical proof to back it up. I guess you would call me a skeptic. I am not anti-religion though. I think the biblical Jesus was an awesome guy and if more people would actually live those teachings the world would be a better place. I am all about peace, love, charity... all of the things that Jesus taught. The parable of the Good Samaritan is my favorite in all of the bible. I think that not believing in God, having those beliefs makes me a bleeding heart hippy, though. :lol

I am a non-denominational Christian converted from Roman Catholic.

I choose not to debate religion because everyone is allowed to have their own beliefs and I get heated. Religion IMO is not one to debate because it is at times telling people they are believing in the wrong things. On the other hand people just take it too personal.

I am not religious whatsoever, and nothing anyone can tell me is going to change my mind. So, that doesn't leave much for me to debate about.

yeah i didn't mean to put in a debate thing.. i thought debate meant like TALK about it kwim girls?.. so yeah.. like i said my fault and by no means is anyones beliefs wrong. i just wanted to talk about it and i put it in the wrong message thing.

Of course I respect your beliefs. My whole family is Christian and I was raised Christian so I know a lot about their beliefs. I have read the bible multiple times. I admittedly have a really hard time with faith. I can't accept something that someone tells me without some empirical proof to back it up. I guess you would call me a skeptic. I am not anti-religion though. I think the biblical Jesus was an awesome guy and if more people would actually live those teachings the world would be a better place. I am all about peace, love, charity... all of the things that Jesus taught. The parable of the Good Samaritan is my favorite in all of the bible. I think that not believing in God, having those beliefs makes me a bleeding heart hippy, though. :lol

he he.. thats awesome girl! i respect that 100%!!
i like that bleeding heart hippy! he he he! :P

Catholics are Christians

as a catholic I don't really like that term. I know technically it is true, but, i never label myself as a Christian, but always a catholic. And actually most Christians I know don't even like being compared to catholics.

I am not religious whatsoever, and nothing anyone can tell me is going to change my mind. So, that doesn't leave much for me to debate about.

LOL!!!!!!!!

as a catholic I don't really like that term. I know technically it is true, but, i never label myself as a Christian, but always a catholic. And actually most Christians I know don't even like being compared to catholics.

They're two different worlds. :yes Like comparing Paris Hilton's Yorkie to a Timberwolf, and saying they're both dogs.. Wellllllll, yes technically, but they are two totally different animals.

I really would have liked to see this thread in the spirituality section rather than debate and without the giggling smiley

Um... I'm sorry, the whole, calling parts of the q'uran out at blasphemous... is judgemental and harsh. So I'm going to go ahead and say you were judgemental, and I'm pissed, and I'm not even Muslim.

But no, seriously, way to point a shitty picture of an amazing religion. :thumbsup :sarcasm

LOL!!!!!!!!

Can you please not just laugh at people without any explanation? It's really not helping you in being well received here.

Can you please not just laugh at people without any explanation? It's really not helping you in being well received here.

What's wrong with eelo? And it was kind of funny how MontanaSweetie said her beliefs point blank, or I could see how it could be funny, anyways..

What's wrong with eelo? And it was kind of funny how MontanaSweetie said her beliefs point blank, or I could see how it could be funny, anyways..

I didn't take that as being the reason why she laughed at her. But she didn't offer anything, so who knows.

People have to explain why they laugh now?

I can see where this thread is going so I will :creep

People have to explain why they laugh now?

I can see where this thread is going so I will :creep

She has just rubbed me the wrong way from the moment she stepped onto this board. And I felt her laugh was fueled from other things that were said in the previous thread. I just don't agree with stepping into this only for the sole purpose of debating. I don't appreciate the attitude or condescending tone that has come from her posts.

But I will step away now.

I am a Jehovah Witness. My Dh is Roman Catholic/Christian.

I am a Jehovah Witness. My Dh is Roman Catholic/Christian.


Whoa whoa whoa.....Isn't it against JW code to serve in the military?

as a catholic I don't really like that term. I know technically it is true, but, i never label myself as a Christian, but always a catholic. And actually most Christians I know don't even like being compared to catholics.

I have never heard that and I was raised Catholic. My Mom would be uber pissed if some one told her she was not Christian because she is Catholic. It is a TYPE of Christian. One of many Christian faiths/branches.

Baptist, Catholic, Non-Denom, Church of Christ, Methodist, Lutheran, etc ALL are Christian.

I have never heard that and I was raised Catholic. My Mom would be uber pissed if some one told her she was not Christian because she is Catholic. It is a TYPE of Christian. One of many Christian faiths/branches.

Baptist, Catholic, Non-Denom, Church of Christ, Methodist, Lutheran, etc ALL are Christian.


Since you're here J... I'm assuming you're a Jew-by-choice, as I used to be... Are you a Messianic Jew? Just curious.:D

Good luck with this I don't think many of us are willing to touch this with a ten foot pole.

Before I state my beliefs, I'm totally giving you props for your avatar.. I LOVE peanut!! Hehe am I pissing you of-f?

Well IDK how long this debate has gone on, I'm bein a lazy butt and haven't read it all.. But I'm a Wiccan, Celtic belief system, converted from Irish Roman Catholic. I still attend services out of respect for my family and for DB, as he is the same. I simply felt that Wicca was my true calling. :D

I have never heard that and I was raised Catholic. My Mom would be uber pissed if some one told her she was not Christian because she is Catholic. It is a TYPE of Christian. One of many Christian faiths/branches.

Baptist, Catholic, Non-Denom, Church of Christ, Methodist, Lutheran, etc ALL are Christian.

Mormons are like that, too. Fastest way to offend a Mormon is to tell them that they aren't Christian.

Religion has never made sense to me, mainly because I have way too many questions and not enough answers, especially in Christianity. Also, how does one know that their religion is right? What if Christianity is wrong and when you die, buddah doesn't let you reincarnate because you didn't believe in Buddhism? Or if Christianity is right and Islam is wrong, and God sends those faithful to Allah to hell because they didn't believe in Jesus? How does that fit the picture of a righteous God who is fair? I just can't believe in a God that creates his "children" just to send them to hell.

Before I state my beliefs, I'm totally giving you props for your avatar.. I LOVE peanut!! Hehe am I pissing you of-f?
Jef-f? :rofl

Jef-f? :rofl

OMG I am so glad people get that!!! I heart Jef-f Dun-HAM

Whoa whoa whoa.....Isn't it against JW code to serve in the military?

Yup! Funny story: Dh and I where at what we call Passover on March 22. in MD. I am from CA, I went to visit him, we know no one at that congregation. While talking to some of the brothers, DH grabs my arm drags me to meet someone, I ask myself, who can he know?

Well it turns out that his instructor who has been in the military, his wife is a JW.

It was funny!

How does that fit the picture of a righteous God who is fair? I just can't believe in a God that creates his "children" just to send them to hell.

Depends on where you got that info, and if you believe it or not...

I'm so stinkin sick of defending my faith...

OMG I am so glad people get that!!! I heart Jef-f Dun-HAM
dot com?

Depends on where you got that info, and if you believe it or not...

I'm so stinkin sick of defending my faith...

Aww. :( I wasn't trying to make you. I was just stating my opinion. -hugs-

I just don't know how people know that their religion is right.

Since you're here J... I'm assuming you're a Jew-by-choice, as I used to be... Are you a Messianic Jew? Just curious.:D

No, I am Jewish to me Jesus was just a wise man. I was raised Catholic though. My Mom converted to Catholicism when I was 7 years old. As an adult I was dissatisfied with the Catholic church and sought out my own path. (My Mom had done the same thing LOLZ she was raised in a Southern Baptist home.)

Aww. :( I wasn't trying to make you. I was just stating my opinion. -hugs-

I just don't know how people know that their religion is right.

I agree with that. I don't know what I believe is right any more then what the next person believes. It's why I always say their is no right or wrong answer. There is only MY answer and what works for ME. Religion is not a one size fits all kind of deal.

I agree with that. I don't know what I believe is right any more then what the next person believes. It's why I always say their is no right or wrong answer. There is only MY answer and what works for ME. Religion is not a one size fits all kind of deal.


:agree
Thank you!

People have to explain why they laugh now?

I can see where this thread is going so I will :creep

I was thinking the same damn thing :no.. I am done now

She has just rubbed me the wrong way from the moment she stepped onto this board. And I felt her laugh was fueled from other things that were said in the previous thread. I just don't agree with stepping into this only for the sole purpose of debating. I don't appreciate the attitude or condescending tone that has come from her posts.

But I will step away now.

Are you serious??? :no I just happened upon this thread and I totally saw where she was coming from.. there is absolutely NO need to jump down someone's throat and tell them where to post :wow

Can you please not just laugh at people without any explanation? It's really not helping you in being well received here.

So now you have to give detailed posts to be accepted into a forum? :no

I would debate religion but people can't seem to do that without taking it personally. You can't say that you believe that certain practices or doctrine in a religion is wrong without people saying that you are personally calling THEM wrong. People take the fact that I am atheist as a personal insult all the time as if my beliefs are the same thing as me calling them stupid or something. :lol

So, unfortunately, religion "debates" usually don't go over well.

ITA. However, if people cannot accept religious debates I do not think they are comfortable with their religion.

I would have jumped in sooner, but pulled a 16 hr day... sorry

They're two different worlds. :yes Like comparing Paris Hilton's Yorkie to a Timberwolf, and saying they're both dogs.. Wellllllll, yes technically, but they are two totally different animals.

Doesn't the Catholics have like 5 books not found in "Christian" Bibles? Curious I could not remember

Um... I'm sorry, the whole, calling parts of the q'uran out at blasphemous... is judgemental and harsh. So I'm going to go ahead and say you were judgemental, and I'm pissed, and I'm not even Muslim.

But no, seriously, way to point a shitty picture of an amazing religion. :thumbsup :sarcasm

Maybe it is in her view, I mean u can take it the wrong way and get a pissy or get over it. It may be blasphemous to her, and not others.

Plenty of ppl discuss their religion openly and debate back and forth nicely...

I am Christian Non-denominational. I feel sometimes organized religion takes away from the message of God. But that is just me. I feel as though buddhism is NOT a religion more so a lifestyle choice... That is just me though. My G-ma is Buddist and I follow Buddist teachings... I do not see Buddha as a God, or the God. Sorry Gina if I offend you. It was just how I was raised and what my grandmother taught me.

I do not see why everyone has to get butt hurt over it, and they fail to answer the questions posed reasonably... Not everyone as in MSOS but I mean people in general.

Heck's no I would NOT have posted this in Spirituality and growth, do u go there daily? I think in the general forum is better more people will see it, and viewpoints from atheist, agnostic, chrisitans, catholics, wiccan, mulism, buddhist, taoist, etc can all be shared. And perhaps some knowledge gleaned.

I like the topic... so sue me.

ITA. However, if people cannot accept religious debates I do not think they are comfortable with their religion.

I would have jumped in sooner, but pulled a 16 hr day... sorry



Doesn't the Catholics have like 5 books not found in "Christian" Bibles? Curious I could not remember



Maybe it is in her view, I mean u can take it the wrong way and get a pissy or get over it. It may be blasphemous to her, and not others.

Plenty of ppl discuss their religion openly and debate back and forth nicely...

I am Christian Non-denominational. I feel sometimes organized religion takes away from the message of God. But that is just me. I feel as though buddhism is NOT a religion more so a lifestyle choice... That is just me though. My G-ma is Buddist and I follow Buddist teachings... I do not see Buddha as a God, or the God. Sorry Gina if I offend you. It was just how I was raised and what my grandmother taught me.

I do not see why everyone has to get butt hurt over it, and they fail to answer the questions posed reasonably... Not everyone as in MSOS but I mean people in general.

Heck's no I would NOT have posted this in Spirituality and growth, do u go there daily? I think in the general forum is better more people will see it, and viewpoints from atheist, agnostic, chrisitans, catholics, wiccan, mulism, buddhist, taoist, etc can all be shared. And perhaps some knowledge gleaned.

I like the topic... so sue me.

Well considering there are scrolls that have been completely left out of the Christian bibles I don't think it is fair to say they have five too many. The bigger question is why are not ALL of the scrolls included since they were all given from G-d to man in a sense.

Not to mention translation errors, and liberties taken from one version to the next in how it is worded. (such as NIV compared to KJV etc etc etc)

Also wanted to add that the reason the Catholic bible has MORE books is because when the Protestant bible was created Martin Luther removed 6 books from the old testament. So the Catholic bible has 46 OT books and 27 NT books (73 total). The Protestant bible has 39 OT and 27 NT (66 total).
The Catholic bible is the oldest rather instead of saying Catholic bible though it is the King James Version. Yet older still are the Jewish Talmud and Torah.

Anyway so THAT is the reason why it irks me when Catholics say I don't like the Christian label or when other denom's say oh so and so religion is not a real Christian because for XYZ reason (which generally breaks down to because we think they are doing it wrong) they ALL branched off from one main tree which was Catholicism.

Prior to Catholicism they were unorganized because they had to meet in secret at risk of being killed. Emperor Constantine decided everyone needed to agree and he gathered several world leaders had a big meeting. It was then that they picked and choose which books to use to create the first bible, what days to celebrate the holy days etc etc etc. So when all of the different sects divide themselves I find that so frustrating. YES, there are many differences in HOW they worship. Having been to many different churches in my life I have seen how varied they can be. That does not mean that they do not fall under that Christian umbrella. If they follow the trinity then they are a version of Christianity is the general rule of thumb.

Yup! Funny story: Dh and I where at what we call Passover on March 22. in MD. I am from CA, I went to visit him, we know no one at that congregation. While talking to some of the brothers, DH grabs my arm drags me to meet someone, I ask myself, who can he know?

Well it turns out that his instructor who has been in the military, his wife is a JW.

It was funny!


i am not gonna lie... i am absolutely FLABBERGASTED!

(ok.. and i just really wanted to use that word... )

like... whoa

Religion has never made sense to me, mainly because I have way too many questions and not enough answers, especially in Christianity. Also, how does one know that their religion is right? What if Christianity is wrong and when you die, buddah doesn't let you reincarnate because you didn't believe in Buddhism? Or if Christianity is right and Islam is wrong, and God sends those faithful to Allah to hell because they didn't believe in Jesus? How does that fit the picture of a righteous God who is fair? I just can't believe in a God that creates his "children" just to send them to hell.

So, I grew up with my dad being a preacher in a small non-demoninational church (and for those of you who don't know, non-denom means you can pick and choose what parts of different sects of christianity you like and form your own amalgamation of christianity.... my church spoke in tongues and blessed people by bonking them on the head).

I have finally come to the conclusion that the easiest way to deal with this, is that I believe that whatever YOU believe is what will happen to you. I fully FEEL that reincarnation is what happens when you die, and I feel like I have lived through a few hard lives, and I have started to figure out what I need to fix to be more evloved and move on.... so I think my next life I will be something that is further on the reincarnation scale.... what it is, I do not know. A tree, a cat, an alien... who knows? All I know is I feel this in my bones, so for the people who feel "Jesus Christ is lord" in THEIR bones, well, more power to ya. But don't try and tell me how things are, and I won't try and tell you. Let's both figure it out on our own.

as a catholic I don't really like that term. I know technically it is true, but, i never label myself as a Christian, but always a catholic. And actually most Christians I know don't even like being compared to catholics.

I've never heard of a Catholic not liking that term (not attacking...just curious) I'm a cradle Catholic, been to a Catholic school from kindergarten- 12th grade...I actually get annoyed when people say "Are you a Christian" and I say "Yes, I'm Catholic" and they don't consider that Christian.

Chris·tian /ˈkrɪstʃən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kris-chuhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective 1. of, pertaining to, or derived from Jesus Christ or His teachings: a Christian faith.
2. of, pertaining to, believing in, or belonging to the religion based on the teachings of Jesus Christ: Spain is a Christian country.
3. of or pertaining to Christians: many Christian deaths in the Crusades.
4. exhibiting a spirit proper to a follower of Jesus Christ; Christlike: She displayed true Christian charity.
5. decent; respectable: They gave him a good Christian burial.
6. human; not brutal; humane: Such behavior isn't Christian.
–noun 7. a person who believes in Jesus Christ; adherent of Christianity.
8. a person who exemplifies in his or her life the teachings of Christ: He died like a true Christian.
9. a member of any of certain Protestant churches, as the Disciples of Christ and the Plymouth Brethren.
10. the hero of Bunyan's Pilgrim's Progress.
11. a male given name.


( I looked online to find the ACTUAL definition, and it gave me all this!! haha) But summed up, Christian means a follower of Christ...Catholics are followers of Christ...

I feel as though buddhism is NOT a religion more so a lifestyle choice... That is just me though. My G-ma is Buddist and I follow Buddist teachings... I do not see Buddha as a God, or the God. Sorry Gina if I offend you. It was just how I was raised and what my grandmother taught me.

I always considered a religion a belief system, but Buddhism does seem like more of an Atheist belief system that follows a certain philosophical set of values than one that follows a specific higher power (correct me if I am wrong Gina). Kinda like when people ask me what religion I am then I say Atheist, so although it isn't really a "religion", it is still an acceptable answer so that people know what I believe. I am actually really interested in Buddhism. I have a friend who is Buddhist and the beliefs that she has shared with me seem to fall within my own beliefs as well.

as a catholic I don't really like that term. I know technically it is true, but, i never label myself as a Christian, but always a catholic. And actually most Christians I know don't even like being compared to catholics.
mmm yah Christianity and Catholicism have alot of differences im christian and never consider them the same :dunno

i wanted to add my dads whole side of the family is catholic and so is my best friend and her family so i do have a basis for my opinion:)

although catholicism is a division of christianity i dont think they are one in the same...if that makes any sense

I've never called myself a Christian and I'm Catholic.. I don't think I'm above "christianity" but I DEFINITELY call myself a CATHOLIC. I've had bad experiences in a non denominational church, where adults were coloring, talking, and eating, and ignoring the mass. Now, I COMPLETELY understand that not ALL non denom churches are like this, but the image kind of stained my mind. I LOVE the traditions of the Church, the solemnity of the mass, and even the rigidity of it. :)

alright what i said makes no sense
basically
im a christian (lutheran to be exact) and my fathers family is catholic i dont see them as the same but we do have alot of beleifs that parralel each other but also many that are opposite...but i have gone to catholic services and i went to a baptist youth group all through high school all of this by choice...so maybe im just a christian :dunno who knows i dont beleive organized religion and denominations are hte most important thing ok im done getting carried away lol

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Depends on where you got that info, and if you believe it or not...

I'm so stinkin sick of defending my faith...

I hear you. It makes me sad to read/hear people say certain things about it...

BTW, maybe call someone who is Christian but not Catholic- non-denominational? I'm sure that's what the OP of who started this (ashley5), meant.

I was Catholic, but then chose to be non-denomin.

DP

you just didn't know my intentions so for you to call me ignorant and not know my intentions makes you ignorant too doesn't it?
no hard feelings though.
you are entitled to your opinions girl. i respect that.

I might be ignorant in certain things but at least I don't start bashing other people's religion even if you were once a Muslim. Please tell me where in the Quran does it say about beating wives?

I didn't know your intentions? Uhmm...When I read about you making disrespectful comment about Islam, I assume that it is your intention to make Islam look bad. And I am offended.

Have some respect when you write about other religion. Does your current religion allow you to be disrespectful to other religions? I think not.

Um... I'm sorry, the whole, calling parts of the q'uran out at blasphemous... is judgemental and harsh. So I'm going to go ahead and say you were judgemental, and I'm pissed, and I'm not even Muslim.

But no, seriously, way to point a shitty picture of an amazing religion. :thumbsup :sarcasm

Thank you Kiwijus

I might be ignorant in certain things but at least I don't start bashing other people's religion even if you were once a Muslim. Please tell me where in the Quran does it say about beating wives?

I didn't know your intentions? Uhmm...When I read about you making disrespectful comment about Islam, I assume that it is your intention to make Islam look bad. And I am offended.

Have some respect when you write about other religion. Does your current religion allow you to be disrespectful to other religions? I think not.

if you have a quran handy on you i'll let you know what surah and what verse it says to beat your wives sweetie! and i was not by no means BASHING anyones religion HELL my WHOLE family is Muslim.. i was saying how i felt about it IN MY EYES!!
im done with explainin you can go read my other post.

take care!

ITA. However, if people cannot accept religious debates I do not think they are comfortable with their religion.

I would have jumped in sooner, but pulled a 16 hr day... sorry




I was the first one to say that I found this post to be in poor taste. While it might not been her intention to offend anyone and while it did not personally offend me I can understand why someone who is Muslim or who has a close friend/family member/SO who is Muslim might get offended. Had she chosen other words and left out the particular smilies she used I would have been more than happy to share my own experiences. But starting off a debate by calling another religion blasphemous, and by calling people who practice that religion wife-beaters and murderer of Jews and Christians is not the way to go about it.

I believe in God. I dont believe I have to go to a church and pay in order to worship God. I can pray and believe in God at home for free.

DH and I are Wiccan. I was raised Catholic and DH was raised Methodist. Christianity just didn't work for us. BTW all my Catholic life I never heard that Catholics are not Christians, to me they are one and the same, but that's just me.

DH and I are Wiccan. I was raised Catholic and DH was raised Methodist. Christianity just didn't work for us. BTW all my Catholic life I never heard that Catholics are not Christians, to me they are one and the same, but that's just me.

I was also raised Catholic, now, I don't even know what I consider myself. I also was taught that Catholicism was a "Christian" faith, until I moved to this area. I have been told by numerous Southern Baptists that being a Catholic is not being a Christian. But then again, these are the same people who think that unless you are Baptist, you are not saved= you are going to hell :rolleyes

I thought I had faith in God, but I am not sure anymore. I just really question if there is a god the world would not be in the state it is. So I guess I am losing faith. As Bret Michaels would say "Give me something to believe in":sigh

if you have a quran handy on you i'll let you know what surah and what verse it says to beat your wives sweetie! and i was not by no means BASHING anyones religion HELL my WHOLE family is Muslim.. i was saying how i felt about it IN MY EYES!!
im done with explainin you can go read my other post.

take care!

I have read the quran and I know which verse you are talking. There are 25 meaning to the word "daraba" ofcourse the common one to men is "beat" but that's not how it should be interpret. This is the recent interpretation of that verse.
“Men are supporters of wives because God has given some of them an advantage over others and because they spend of their wealth. So the ones who are in accord with morality are the ones who are morally obligated, the ones who guard the unseen of what God has kept safe. But those whose resistance you fear, then admonish them and abandon them in their sleeping place, then go away from them; and if they obey you, look not for any way against them”

The Sublime Quran, translated by Laleh Bakhtiar (2007)

It is how you read the Quran. If you take every word and translate it to the exact word ofcourse it's going to come off the way you think. I have more examples of interpretations from the quran and islam but I think this is enough for now.

It might have been your opinion on how you felt in your eyes but have a little tact when mentioning something concerning religion. Because maybe you don't care about it even though your whole family is Muslim but respect others who are believers. And just because your family is Muslim and you are not does not give you the right to be rude about the religion. The way you wrote in your OP was very disrespectful and that's why I was offended. As germanchick had written, you could have left out the smilies and certain words.

Oh yeah..am not your sweetie.

I have never heard that and I was raised Catholic. My Mom would be uber pissed if some one told her she was not Christian because she is Catholic. It is a TYPE of Christian. One of many Christian faiths/branches.

Baptist, Catholic, Non-Denom, Church of Christ, Methodist, Lutheran, etc ALL are Christian.

All I can say is my husband's family is super Catholic, and they def see me as different for just being a Christian and not Catholic. You would think they are not so different but they are worlds apart really.
Haven't finished the thread yet, but just had to add that. It's a serious issue between his family and me.

I never really read the quran just sometimes but i never understood it for real.

I don't believe in stuff said in the quran like fight your enemies and kill jews and christians uhm.. beat your wives.. blasphemous stuff like that..


please point out to me where exactly in the Quran or in any Hadeeth where beating of wives is promoted.

Also, the marrying of Jews, Christians and Catholics women to Muslim men is allowed AS PER THE QURAN so I'm not sure where you got the "kill jews and christians."


I might be ignorant in certain things but at least I don't start bashing other people's religion even if you were once a Muslim. Please tell me where in the Quran does it say about beating wives?

I didn't know your intentions? Uhmm...When I read about you making disrespectful comment about Islam, I assume that it is your intention to make Islam look bad. And I am offended.

Does your current religion allow you to be disrespectful to other religions? I think not.

Ugh, precisely. Judge lest ye be judged, comes to mind.

if you have a quran handy on you i'll let you know what surah and what verse it says to beat your wives sweetie!

Please do. I have Quran handy. It's called the internet. ;)

please point out to me where exactly in the Quran or in any Hadeeth where beating of wives is promoted.

Also, the marrying of Jews, Christians and Catholics women to Muslim men is allowed AS PER THE QURAN so I'm not sure where you got the "kill jews and christians."


My dad was a Christian and he married my mom and she is a Muslim.

My dad was a Christian and he married my mom and she is a Muslim.

yeah w/e.. you know it's all in her plan to axe him. :lol

yeah w/e.. you know it's all in her plan to axe him. :lol
Yup..she's been planning for the last 29 years...my poor dad...

Well i really have no religion. my family is Roman Catholic, but my mom and dad never followed any faith/religion. I went to mass one time in my life (besides funerals of course) with my memere and aunt and I personally was scared. I was little and found it frightening. Maybe that's what turned me away? Not sure. My dad eventually found his faith as a Christian, but i think it was just something to pass the time after his divorce with my mom because he dropped it just as quickly as he jumped into it. So yeah, my religios background isn't very rich. I have researched many different religions and find that buddhism, paganism, etc are more appealing to me than christianity etc. I have a bad taste in my mouth from Christianity from my MIL who just takes things way too far. She crosses the lines of personal/spiritual boundaries WAY too much and pushes her beliefs on us (My little family). so that kinda turns me away as well. I am happy for you though that you ahve found peace in your life!

and ladies, if you dont like this thread, dont look. this is a message board and all though you CAN read, you dont HAVE to read this thread. not trying to be rude but realy, leave the girl alone. We all do and say things that at one point or another will rub someone the wrong way, but isn't this what our hubbies fight for? for our freedom? Let her have her freedom and again, look the other way if it offends you.

isn't this what our hubbies fight for? for our freedom? Let her have her freedom and again, look the other way if it offends you.

i speak for myself here... i am not married nor is my SO in any type of military service. he IS however Muslim and one of the most important people in my life and i will stand up for him.

just like she has the freedom to spew falsehoods about one of the most peaceful religions i can think of, i have the freedom to correct her.

i speak for myself here... i am not married nor is my SO in any type of military service. he IS however Muslim and one of the most important people in my life and i will stand up for him.

just like she has the freedom to spew falsehoods about one of the most peaceful religions i can think of, i have the freedom to correct her.




whatever. I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole.

:dunno


goodbye thread! lol

whatever. I'm not touching this with a ten foot pole.

:dunno


goodbye thread! lol

:hi

and ladies, if you dont like this thread, dont look. this is a message board and all though you CAN read, you dont HAVE to read this thread. not trying to be rude but realy, leave the girl alone. We all do and say things that at one point or another will rub someone the wrong way, but isn't this what our hubbies fight for? for our freedom? Let her have her freedom and again, look the other way if it offends you.


Everyone is entitle to their opinions. I have nothing against that. But just like she has the freedom to voice her opinions, I too have the freedom to voice my opinions. I was in no way being rude. I merely voice my opinions on what I felt needed to be corrected.

I agree with who said who is to say that one religion is the right one.

And I think its also offensive to the people who are buddhist to be told its just more of a way of life. They have Noble truths they follow, and whats makes their religion different from others following the 10 Commandments.

I always considered a religion a belief system, but Buddhism does seem like more of an Atheist belief system that follows a certain philosophical set of values than one that follows a specific higher power (correct me if I am wrong Gina). Kinda like when people ask me what religion I am then I say Atheist, so although it isn't really a "religion", it is still an acceptable answer so that people know what I believe. I am actually really interested in Buddhism. I have a friend who is Buddhist and the beliefs that she has shared with me seem to fall within my own beliefs as well.

ITA... u worded it better than I. I am just stating how I see Buddhism... B/c I am Christian and follow Buddhist teachings. Like I said I do not see it as a religion but a beleif system... more philsophical and along the lines of teachings, however other people may interpret it as religion. It is up to the person. Idk if that made ANY sense :lmao
Gina do not hate me!!!!

I agree with who said who is to say that one religion is the right one.

And I think its also offensive to the people who are buddhist to be told its just more of a way of life. They have Noble truths they follow, and whats makes their religion different from others following the 10 Commandments.

Buddhism is a set of teachings described as a religion or way of life. One point of view says it is a body of philosophies influenced by the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama, known as Gautama Buddha. Another point of view says it is teachings to guide one to directly experiencing reality. Many scholars regard it as a plurality rather than a single entity

I just see it as a way of life. I know a lot of Buddhist who say it is there religion and a lot of other ones who are Christian and still follow the teaching and meditate. JMO

Islam and Christianity are 2 very violent religions. Read and undertand their roots and development. And I do not care who is what. I am not their mom, or God. I respect your choices as long you respect mine.... and are not an asshole. That is my philosphy!

I explained in my long ass post about the history of different branches for example Lutheran broke off from Protestants who had in turn broken off from Catholicism. You all can dislike that all you want but deep down you are all connected to the same thing. (general you all) I even explained about the bible and that it was Martin Luther that removed 6 books which is why they have less books then Catholics. It seems so wrong to fight semantics when in the bible it specifically states not to fight over those sort of issues. (for example when Paul was telling them not to fight over should a womans hair be covered or does her hair count as the covering.) All of them are Chrisitans that follow the bible in differant ways of worship.

So when it comes down to brass tacks they all believe in the same basic principle that Jesus was the son of G-d, that he died for their sins on a cross, and was brought back to life. Baptist = Christian, Catholic = Christian, Protestant = Christian etc WHY is that so hard to acceptt? Also why wouldn't you want to wear the label Christian if you are a follower of Christ? That is ALL that word means.

As for the bad behavior in church, I know my parents have seen just as many rude people at Catholic mass as my husband has seen at a non-denom mass. It is why they don't go to mass anymore. It bugs the crap out of them when people are loud and rude during mass. There are RUDE people everywhere. I mean come on have you never seen the Catholics rushing to get into their cars following a mass. Practically get run voer in the mass exodus. (joking just one of my parents complaints about how bad their neighborhood church has gotten) It doesn't mean they are not Christian it just means they are HUMAN.

I explained in my long ass post about the history of different branches for example Lutheran broke off from Protestants who had in turn broken off from Catholicism. You all can dislike that all you want but deep down you are all connected to the same thing. (general you all) I even explained about the bible and that it was Martin Luther that removed 6 books which is why they have less books then Catholics. It seems so wrong to fight semantics when in the bible it specifically states not to fight over those sort of issues. (for example when Paul was telling them not to fight over should a womans hair be covered or does her hair count as the covering.) All of them are Chrisitans that follow the bible in differant ways of worship.

So when it comes down to brass tacks they all believe in the same basic principle that Jesus was the son of G-d, that he died for their sins on a cross, and was brought back to life. Baptist = Christian, Catholic = Christian, Protestant = Christian etc WHY is that so hard to acceptt? Also why wouldn't you want to wear the label Christian if you are a follower of Christ? That is ALL that word means.

As for the bad behavior in church, I know my parents have seen just as many rude people at Catholic mass as my husband has seen at a non-denom mass. It is why they don't go to mass anymore. It bugs the crap out of them when people are loud and rude during mass. There are RUDE people everywhere. I mean come on have you never seen the Catholics rushing to get into their cars following a mass. Practically get run voer in the mass exodus. (joking just one of my parents complaints about how bad their neighborhood church has gotten) It doesn't mean they are not Christian it just means they are HUMAN.

you are right. I just never thought of Catholicism being in the same realm as Lutheran. I guess probably because of my family it they seem so different to me. :dunno but now that ive thought about it and pondered it you are completely right:)

if you have a quran handy on you i'll let you know what surah and what verse it says to beat your wives sweetie! and i was not by no means BASHING anyones religion HELL my WHOLE family is Muslim.. i was saying how i felt about it IN MY EYES!!
im done with explainin you can go read my other post.

take care!

OK in your very first post you said that you have not read the Quran very often. So it is possible that because you are not very familier with it you could have taken things out of context? You seem to have issue with Islam form the post you made completey talking doen about the Burka's to the things you have said in this thread. It is wonderful that you have decided to ecome saved. That seems to be working for you however by your own admission you are not 100% knowledgable about the Quran so maybe a little less putting it down OK?

ITA... u worded it better than I. I am just stating how I see Buddhism... B/c I am Christian and follow Buddhist teachings. Like I said I do not see it as a religion but a beleif system... more philsophical and along the lines of teachings, however other people may interpret it as religion. It is up to the person. Idk if that made ANY sense :lmao
Gina do not hate me!!!!



Buddhism is a set of teachings described as a religion or way of life. One point of view says it is a body of philosophies influenced by the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama, known as Gautama Buddha. Another point of view says it is teachings to guide one to directly experiencing reality. Many scholars regard it as a plurality rather than a single entity

I just see it as a way of life. I know a lot of Buddhist who say it is there religion and a lot of other ones who are Christian and still follow the teaching and meditate. JMO

Islam and Christianity are 2 very violent religions. Read and undertand their roots and development. And I do not care who is what. I am not their mom, or God. I respect your choices as long you respect mine.... and are not an asshole. That is my philosphy!

First, I have taken several religious classes, so I dont think I should "read" about the starts of religions. I stated my OPINION that its rude to consider it such.

i was rc and now am episcopal, and i find them different. i wouldnt say they are one of the same.

I agree with who said who is to say that one religion is the right one.

And I think its also offensive to the people who are buddhist to be told its just more of a way of life. They have Noble truths they follow, and whats makes their religion different from others following the 10 Commandments.

Did someone who is Buddhist say they are offended by something someone said? Did I miss something here? And did someone say it is "just a way of life"? I am lost. All I was saying is that as far as I knew, Buddhism didn't have a deity. I also said that it WAS a religion. So, I hope it wasn't anything I said that you are pointing out here and calling offensive.

OK in your very first post you said that you have not read the Quran very often. So it is possible that because you are not very familier with it you could have taken things out of context? You seem to have issue with Islam form the post you made completey talking doen about the Burka's to the things you have said in this thread. It is wonderful that you have decided to ecome saved. That seems to be working for you however by your own admission you are not 100% knowledgable about the Quran so maybe a little less putting it down OK?


Thank you

Holy heck sorry for the typos!

wicked it wasnt you.

. All I was saying is that as far as I knew, Buddhism didn't have a deity.

They do have deities.

i was rc and now am episcopal, and i find them different. i wouldnt say they are one of the same.

If you are refering to my post. I did not say they are one in the same I said they are all Christians and all broke off from Catholicism. They worship in different methods though, yet at the root of things their main belief (the Trinity) is the same.

First, I have taken several religious classes, so I dont think I should "read" about the starts of religions. I stated my OPINION that its rude to consider it such.

Rude to consider what such? As a way of life? It is to me, and not to others. I think it is rude you do not like my lifestyle choices. Everyone can choose for themselves.

Did someone who is Buddhist say they are offended by something someone said? Did I miss something here? And did someone say it is "just a way of life"? I am lost. All I was saying is that as far as I knew, Buddhism didn't have a deity. I also said that it WAS a religion. So, I hope it wasn't anything I said that you are pointing out here and calling offensive.

I said it is a religion and/or a way of life... but maybe she thought I was saying it is only a way of life?
I say I do not follow it religiously....That is just me though

Well i really have no religion. my family is Roman Catholic, but my mom and dad never followed any faith/religion. I went to mass one time in my life (besides funerals of course) with my memere and aunt and I personally was scared. I was little and found it frightening. Maybe that's what turned me away? Not sure. My dad eventually found his faith as a Christian, but i think it was just something to pass the time after his divorce with my mom because he dropped it just as quickly as he jumped into it. So yeah, my religios background isn't very rich. I have researched many different religions and find that buddhism, paganism, etc are more appealing to me than christianity etc. I have a bad taste in my mouth from Christianity from my MIL who just takes things way too far. She crosses the lines of personal/spiritual boundaries WAY too much and pushes her beliefs on us (My little family). so that kinda turns me away as well. I am happy for you though that you ahve found peace in your life!

and ladies, if you dont like this thread, dont look. this is a message board and all though you CAN read, you dont HAVE to read this thread. not trying to be rude but realy, leave the girl alone. We all do and say things that at one point or another will rub someone the wrong way, but isn't this what our hubbies fight for? for our freedom? Let her have her freedom and again, look the other way if it offends you.

Just like she has the right to make this point it is my right to voice my opinion on it. That's the nice thing about debates/exchange of opinions. ALL of us can state their opinion. And if I feel that something isn't correct/offensive/whatever I will say so and not just walk away because it's the other persons right to voice their opinion.

wicked it wasnt you.

Good good, you had me worried there. :whew

They do have deities.

What deities? I am interested to learn about it. When I looked it up on religioustolerance.org it said that Buddhism has no deities. :dunno So, that is what I was going off of.

Gutama Buddha is considered a diety... to some...

But in conclusion to my rambling post earlier... I agree to disagree.

My parents raised me Catholic. I am at a point in my life right now were I am searching for what I believe is right for me. But since most of my life has involved the Catholic Church I tend to get most of my beliefs from there.
I was also taught that all Christian religions branched off from the Catholic Church. I don't know if I believe in that completely just yet, but it's what I had accepted my whole life. I haven't met too many people who still have the same beliefs they were raised with. They usually grow up to decide what is right for them.
I also was wondering if there is anyone on here who still has the same religion from birth? Do you still practice your religion because it's what you've done your whole life or because you really believe it. Around the time of Confirmation I realized that I was only going through with it because it was what my parents wanted. I just think it's neat when someone sticks with the same beliefs they were raised with. I sometimes feel guilty that I didn't just stick with my Catholic faith, but in the end I realize it's just my dad telling me I should be feeling guilty.
In the end it really is only up to me in what I believe. It's taken me a long time to realize that.

Gutama Buddha is considered a diety... to some...


He is really considered a deity? I thought he was considered an enlightened mortal man. Learn something new every day!

I also was wondering if there is anyone on here who still has the same religion from birth?

Not me, that's for sure. :lol

I also was wondering if there is anyone on here who still has the same religion from birth? Do you still practice your religion because it's what you've done your whole life or because you really believe it.


I still practice the same religion I was born into. For a few years, I prety much quit going because I was not sure if I believed, but after some serious soul searching and prayer, I went back to the religion and faith that i was raised in because I KNOW that it is true..


That said...I have nothing against anyone who does not believe the same as me. LOL, just ask Trina...she knows!

I still practice the same religion I was born into. For a few years, I prety much quit going because I was not sure if I believed, but after some serious soul searching and prayer, I went back to the religion and faith that i was raised in because I KNOW that it is true..


That said...I have nothing against anyone who does not believe the same as me. LOL, just ask Trina...she knows!

:yes She speaks the truth. :P If I did decide to be religious, I would definitely go back to the one I was born into though... Same one as Jennifer. :D

You know, regardless of whether or not you agree with or believe in ANY religion, there are certainly many wonderful life lessons to be learned from nearly ALL religions.

I am not Buddhist, but I have attended numerous lectures given by Buddhist monks. I've read numerous books by the Dalai Lama. And there is a lot of really beautiful wisdom to be learned. Love people and accept them as they are.

I am not Mormon, but I have a HUGE amount of respect for the emphasis they place on family. It blows me away how family-oriented the religion in general appears to be. I LOVE that my boyfriend has Mormon roots.... although he no longer practices, the family values are already instilled in him.

I was raised Presbyterian. I still believe in God, but for now I do it on my own terms. I disagree with a lot of the politics in church. My mother has worked in the church I grew up in for the last 15 years so I've seen a LOT of the behind-the-scenes hypocrisy and bullshit. I'm kind of at a place where I totally agree with Ghandi.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians, they are so unlike your Christ."

I suppose I'm a fan of Jesus. I think he's much more accessible than a lot of Christian religions make him out to be. I don't think he's someone to be afraid of... I think he's the kinda dude who'd be awesome to hang out with.... sit around a bonfire drinking a beer, telling stories and singing songs. Jesus in my eyes is the kinda guy who'd wear a tuxedo t-shirt!!

Anyway, I'd write more but I have to head out :P

I personally have no religion. I do not belong to a church, I do not have any label... I am simply searching and developing. I have tried on many hats.

For a time, i thought being Jewish would be right for me. admittedly though, i only thought that because the coolest kids in my 3rd grade class were Jewish.. and i wanted to be cool :P I am still VERY interested in the religion however and would still be willing to consider becoming Jewish... and not just for being cool ;)

There was also a time where I proudly proclaimed my atheism. I decided there couldn't be a God... No higher power. Shit just is and it is shitty :D But then, I was also a depressed 13 year old who wanted to rebel and that seemed the least dangerous, even with my Grandmother making me pray before bed when I stayed with her and my mother sending me to a Church Camp.

Lately, I have been really into the idea of Paganism... I know very little about it beyond the roots it has in Nature. I love nature. I am more likely to hug a tree than to pray to God.... the tree is very real, it is there, it has a life.

Generally, my beliefs as of late have come down to my believing in a higher power. Whether it be God, Jesus, Zeus and his pals.... I don't know.... I just feel like there is SOMETHING out there who has had a hand in the world I live in now. I do not think this higher being has complete control. I think they can offer support and help where it is needed, and that they have laid the foundation for what is now and what will be.

I talk to "God." I do this when I am scared... when I am nervous.... When I am lonely. Sometimes I ask for things, but most of the time, I just need to talk to SOMEONE. I don't expect anything in return except for a little bit of peace of mind. This God I talk to I call God purely for simplicity's sake. I don't know who I am talking to. I don't even know if anyone is actually listening... but I do know that I feel SOMETHING is out there... and when I talk to IT... I feel better.

I fully support the idea that any religion could be the 'right one' or that NONE of them are right.. or even that ALL of them are right.
For me, religion isn't so much about what is right.... it is about feeling comfortable. Getting from it what you need for yourself.
I don't need afterlife answers, I don't need to know how the world was created. All I need is someone to talk to and the world around me. That is what I have :)

I personally have no religion. I do not belong to a church, I do not have any label... I am simply searching and developing. I have tried on many hats.

For a time, i thought being Jewish would be right for me. admittedly though, i only thought that because the coolest kids in my 3rd grade class were Jewish.. and i wanted to be cool :P I am still VERY interested in the religion however and would still be willing to consider becoming Jewish... and not just for being cool ;)

There was also a time where I proudly proclaimed my atheism. I decided there couldn't be a God... No higher power. Shit just is and it is shitty :D But then, I was also a depressed 13 year old who wanted to rebel and that seemed the least dangerous, even with my Grandmother making me pray before bed when I stayed with her and my mother sending me to a Church Camp.

Lately, I have been really into the idea of Paganism... I know very little about it beyond the roots it has in Nature. I love nature. I am more likely to hug a tree than to pray to God.... the tree is very real, it is there, it has a life.

Generally, my beliefs as of late have come down to my believing in a higher power. Whether it be God, Jesus, Zeus and his pals.... I don't know.... I just feel like there is SOMETHING out there who has had a hand in the world I live in now. I do not think this higher being has complete control. I think they can offer support and help where it is needed, and that they have laid the foundation for what is now and what will be.

I talk to "God." I do this when I am scared... when I am nervous.... When I am lonely. Sometimes I ask for things, but most of the time, I just need to talk to SOMEONE. I don't expect anything in return except for a little bit of peace of mind. This God I talk to I call God purely for simplicity's sake. I don't know who I am talking to. I don't even know if anyone is actually listening... but I do know that I feel SOMETHING is out there... and when I talk to IT... I feel better.

I fully support the idea that any religion could be the 'right one' or that NONE of them are right.. or even that ALL of them are right.
For me, religion isn't so much about what is right.... it is about feeling comfortable. Getting from it what you need for yourself.
I don't need afterlife answers, I don't need to know how the world was created. All I need is someone to talk to and the world around me. That is what I have :)

That was really well said. Ive tried to explain that to people sometimes and it never comes out right and understandable. I talk to whatever is up there, God, higher power, aliens. It helps when I just need to get it out.

He is really considered a deity? I thought he was considered an enlightened mortal man. Learn something new every day!

Idk some people consider him a deity as "the Buddha". Others do not it. It can depend also on the type of Buddhist you are.

One of my great aunts is a buddhist monk and she and her friends come over for dinner from time to time. It is always an enligtening experience. I enjoy hearing stories... but there is a massive language barrier. :blushes so I may not always get it right

This explains it better than I can.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

Im Christian and thats all that matters to me. I feel no need to "debate" about religion because "to each their own" What others beleive is not apart of my life nor does it affect my life.
Im Christian and Very happy with it :D

I'm kind of at a place where I totally agree with Ghandi.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians, they are so unlike your Christ."


I love that quote. I really really do.

She has just rubbed me the wrong way from the moment she stepped onto this board. And I felt her laugh was fueled from other things that were said in the previous thread. I just don't agree with stepping into this only for the sole purpose of debating. I don't appreciate the attitude or condescending tone that has come from her posts.

But I will step away now. if you have a problem with her you should take it in private pm's or boxing ring instead of making snide remarks in someone else's thread

as a catholic I don't really like that term. I know technically it is true, but, i never label myself as a Christian, but always a catholic. And actually most Christians I know don't even like being compared to catholics.
I'm methodist and in some prayers we actually do say the catholic church hubby is catholic and referred to methodist as a watered down catholic version after going to my church at my hometown.I think it depends on what branch of christian you are

I don't think it really matters what religion I'm called since I know I believe in Jesus and God and I don't push it on anyone You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink kwim?Also I look at it more as a relationship with God then a religion one of the reasons Hubby and I don't go to church anymore

I am a Christian, I do not associate with any church. My dad is Catholic my mom Baptist. I was raised Episcopalian. I don't care what anyone else's personal belief is, what I care about is how they are as a person. (I am not saying that to be bitchy, please don't think I am)

Idk some people consider him a deity as "the Buddha". Others do not it. It can depend also on the type of Buddhist you are.

One of my great aunts is a buddhist monk and she and her friends come over for dinner from time to time. It is always an enligtening experience. I enjoy hearing stories... but there is a massive language barrier. :blushes so I may not always get it right

This explains it better than I can.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

Ah, thanks for the link. I see what you mean. I guess it depends on how you define deity too, huh? I was thinking of a deity as in a creator, but deity can mean transcendent as well! I know there are people that don't consider spirituality a "religious" thing without a divine creator driving the spiritual experience. Maybe that's why I have heard of it as "Atheistic"? I know that I am Atheist myself but I am still a very spiritual person, so I don't think they are one in the same.

My two cents.

I am sure the OP wasn't meant to come off so rude towards the Muslim religion, but it did and I am sorry.

As for my religion I am a proud Pagaen! Slowly heading down the Druidic path. My DH is a Druid, he loves his trees and gods ok?

As for to throw in the mix...

There is only ONE religious group I HATE I title them "book-thumpers" Book-thumpers include people of all religions and denominations, but they all have one thing in common. They like to beat you in the head with their religious text cause they are right and you are wrong! You are going to go to whatever form of hell they have when you die, and BURN!!!

So please people don't convert to the religion of Book-Thumping it hurts everyone's head.

I don't touch this kind of thing either... I have learned my lesson here... and while I respect every viewpoint, I see many things differently... and that's OK. :yes

My two cents.

I am sure the OP wasn't meant to come off so rude towards the Muslim religion, but it did and I am sorry.

As for my religion I am a proud Pagaen! Slowly heading down the Druidic path. My DH is a Druid, he loves his trees and gods ok?

As for to throw in the mix...

There is only ONE religious group I HATE I title them "book-thumpers" Book-thumpers include people of all religions and denominations, but they all have one thing in common. They like to beat you in the head with their religious text cause they are right and you are wrong! You are going to go to whatever form of hell they have when you die, and BURN!!!

So please people don't convert to the religion of Book-Thumping it hurts everyone's head.

You are awesome! I totally agree with your book-thumpers idea, and that image is just too perfect.

I have practiced Wicca for many years now! It is the only thing that feels right to me when it comes to any form of religion. If you want to know more, PM me.

~Blessed Be~

Ah, thanks for the link. I see what you mean. I guess it depends on how you define deity too, huh? I was thinking of a deity as in a creator, but deity can mean transcendent as well! I know there are people that don't consider spirituality a "religious" thing without a divine creator driving the spiritual experience. Maybe that's why I have heard of it as "Atheistic"? I know that I am Atheist myself but I am still a very spiritual person, so I don't think they are one in the same.

I mean wikipedia is not always the best site out there, but in some instances it is apporpriate... well kinda.
I think of a deity as a cerator as well.. hence the whole Christian dealio. :)
Who does not consider spirituality religious w/o a creator? Or however you said it. ... stupid ppl.
I agree I do not think they are one and the same, and everyone's belief is their own. Who has the right to judge... um... no one? lmao