"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.

"That's not leadership. That's not going to happen," he added.


Haha year right, im sorry but thats such a joke.....Here is the news article

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h-wpxs1Re-8vx2Zk5xnYygW1W67w

"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.

"That's not leadership. That's not going to happen," he added.


Haha year right, im sorry but thats such a joke.....Here is the news article

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h-wpxs1Re-8vx2Zk5xnYygW1W67w

Well. DUH we can't! We are a wasteful, fat, and lazy country and unfortunetly that is how other countries view us, and that's really sad.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say in your "vent".... that yout hink we should all be able to do whatever we want and say "screw the planet and the opinion of the rest of the world" ?

Perhaps he's talking about our insane energy consumption? I don't see what's so off the rocker about that. He thinks people should change their lifestyles to be more energy efficient and environmental. Why is that terrible?

"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said.

"That's not leadership. That's not going to happen," he added.


Haha year right, im sorry but thats such a joke.....Here is the news article

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5h-wpxs1Re-8vx2Zk5xnYygW1W67w

How is trying to get people to conserve energy and live environmentally conscious considered 'being off the rocker'?

how is someone trying to tell me that I can eat what/how much of what i want, or drive my suv if i want, or keep my freakin house comfortable, just because some 3rd world country cant not crazy??? I live in a democracy, not a dictatorship

how is someone trying to tell me that I can eat what/how much of what i want, or drive my suv if i want, or keep my freakin house comfortable, just because some 3rd world country cant not crazy??? I live in a democracy, not a dictatorship

...... "just because some third world country can't" ......

I cannot even comment on this. I want to... but I can't for risk of being banned from these boards... take a fucking step back and really LOOK at the world, READ about another culture.... How old are you that you have this sort of mindset?

P.S he's not saying "You CAN'T do this" he's saying, we need to get a grasp on our consumption of everything, food, gas, energy, etc for risk of destorying the planet AND ourselves.

I don't see how its a joke at all, I think that comment is 100% true and right on the money

How is trying to get people to conserve energy and live environmentally conscious considered 'being off the rocker'?

I'd like to know as well :no

He isn't telling you what to do.

how is someone trying to tell me that I can eat what/how much of what i want, or drive my suv if i want, or keep my freakin house comfortable, just because some 3rd world country cant not crazy??? I live in a democracy, not a dictatorship

i take his mention of "other countries" as being OPEC & guess what, if they want to decrease the production of oil & drive up the price, you *will* decrease/modify your consumption becaues you have no choice. you won't be able to afford all the luxuries you do now. in fact, i think we are getting to that point now...where the price of gas is really starting to affect consumption (& demand) across the board.

how is someone trying to tell me that I can eat what/how much of what i want, or drive my suv if i want, or keep my freakin house comfortable, just because some 3rd world country cant not crazy??? I live in a democracy, not a dictatorship

And these are the kind of thoughts that will be the demise of this planet....We are not citizens of just a country, we are citizens of planet earth

And these are the kind of thoughts that will be the demise of this planet....We are not citizens of just a country, we are citizens of planet earth

AGREED 1 MILLION PERCENT! BTW, your animals are freaking cute! I miss my squirrel :(

He's saying that as a global superpower, we have an obligation to exhibit more conservative behavior and environmental responsibility, in other words, lead by example. And yes, other countries do say that we are a wasteful, gluttonous country because we ARE.

how is someone trying to tell me that I can eat what/how much of what i want, or drive my suv if i want, or keep my freakin house comfortable, just because some 3rd world country cant not crazy??? I live in a democracy, not a dictatorship

I think the point is that Americans bitch that other countries can't stand us but at the same time we are greedy, wasteful, lazy people. We consume I think something like 75% of the world's oil supply out of pure fucking laziness. Europeans can afford it but they choose not to. Hence why their population isn't skyrocketing with obesity. I grew up overseas, they live the RIGHT way. Just because you have something, doesn't mean you always should have it but we tend to think only about ourselves. We have the mentality of "fuck the rest of the world and fuck the earth, I live for right now, this moment, not the future". I honestly can see why foreigners think like they do about us and I can't really blame them.

This is another one of those "me me me, i deserve everything" kind of moments. Ugh!

AGREED 1 MILLION PERCENT! BTW, your animals are freaking cute! I miss my squirrel :(

Total threadjack here, but you had a squirrel? HOW CUTE :teehee

He's saying that as a global superpower, we have an obligation to exhibit more conservative behavior and environmental responsibility, in other words, lead by example. And yes, other countries do say that we are a wasteful, gluttonous country because we ARE.

I agree 100% - you took the words right out of my mouth!

As much as I don't care for Obama, I do agree with the point that Americans are sitting here complaining about gas prices, etc yet consumption has not changed. Well, duh, if you are going to sit here and complain about $4 a gallon gas but demand is not going down, well, prices aren't either. This is a wasteful nation of gimme, gimme and then people complain but don't want to do anything about it.

how is someone trying to tell me that I can eat what/how much of what i want, or drive my suv if i want, or keep my freakin house comfortable, just because some 3rd world country cant not crazy??? I live in a democracy, not a dictatorship

Ummm, because it's a global economy.

how is someone trying to tell me that I can eat what/how much of what i want, or drive my suv if i want, or keep my freakin house comfortable, just because some 3rd world country cant not crazy??? I live in a democracy, not a dictatorship

The other countries he is talking about that you say are '3rd world countries' are countries that are part of the Kyoto treaty http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyoto_Protocol Point of the Kyoto treaty is the reduction of Green House gases. The US is not part of this treaty. Greenhouse gases/global climate change is an issue that affects the whole world. Not just the US or 3td world countries. All Obama is saying is that unless the US starts changing its ways when it comes to these issues the US cannot be seen as a leader.

Well. DUH we can't! We are a wasteful, fat, and lazy country and unfortunetly that is how other countries view us, and that's really sad.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say in your "vent".... that yout hink we should all be able to do whatever we want and say "screw the planet and the opinion of the rest of the world" ?

I don't see how its a joke at all, I think that comment is 100% true and right on the money

I agree with both of these. And well, pretty much everyone else that commented so far. It's not like he's saying we CAN'T and if we do we'll be punished/killed or whatever. I'm only going on what that OP posted from the article cause I am too lazy to read the actual article. He's saying we shouldn't and can't expect other countries to pick up our mess. We have to be more responsible.

I don't see how its a joke at all, I think that comment is 100% true and right on the money

ME TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :agree

Ummm, because it's a global economy.

yeah but if i want to pay for what im using then I will, in no way should someone try to tell me that i shouldnt drive my vehicle, or that i shouldnt be able to cool/heat my house.

How dare he expect us to take personal responsibility!

And these are the kind of thoughts that will be the demise of this planet....We are not citizens of just a country, we are citizens of planet earth

Thank you!! All he's saying is that the United States should not follow the "Do as we say and not as we do" example. I happen to agree.

As much as I don't care for Obama, I do agree with the point that Americans are sitting here complaining about gas prices, etc yet consumption has not changed. Well, duh, if you are going to sit here and complain about $4 a gallon gas but demand is not going down, well, prices aren't either. This is a wasteful nation of gimme, gimme and then people complain but don't want to do anything about it.

Totally, totally agree! :hail

Psh global warming is such a joke

sigh...some people just don't care about the environment...
i live in Germany and we recycle here. They are very strict about it too. They even make people on base do it.

And honestly WTH does democracy have anything to do with making the environment cleaner. You take for granted for what you have and unless YOU have been in a "third world country" or a "poor country", please try to be environmentally friendly.

Barack is just trying to say that we take for granted what we have and that we should learn to conserve what we have.

yeah but if i want to pay for what im using then I will, in no way should someone try to tell me that i shouldnt drive my vehicle, or that i shouldnt be able to cool/heat my house.

But it has an effect on the whole world even if it is 'just you' because the 'just you' is multiplied by the millions of people who feel that exact same way. He isn't saying that you should not drive your car or heat/cool your house. What he is saying is that people need to conserve because of the negative effects it has if we don't. Not just on the present but also on the future

Psh global warming is such a joke

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, that's why we have this great country:D

yeah but if i want to pay for what im using then I will, in no way should someone try to tell me that i shouldnt drive my vehicle, or that i shouldnt be able to cool/heat my house.

The point is that with the way things are headed, you won't be ABLE to afford these things or that there will be a shortage and you physically won't be able to use these things.

yeah but if i want to pay for what im using then I will, in no way should someone try to tell me that i shouldnt drive my vehicle, or that i shouldnt be able to cool/heat my house.

I'm going to be flamed for this... but don't you see this beyond YOU? This is about doing the small things to be responsible about the future of our planet. Jeez.

Psh global warming is such a joke

:duh not even gonna comment on this one...

Psh global warming is such a joke

Even if it were a joke, what is wrong with making sure that things change for the better? That is why I love Green~Mammy's siggy quote

So-called "global warming" is just a secret ploy by wacko tree-huggers to make America energy independent, clean our air and water, improve fuel efficiency of our vehicles, kick-start 21st-century industries, and make our cities safer and more livable. Don't let them get away with it! - Chip Giller founder of Grist.org, where environmentally minded people gather online

Total threadjack here, but you had a squirrel? HOW CUTE :teehee

I do! She's actually a flying squirrel - her name is Jade, She's just about the cutest thing. I got her when she was tiny and fed her milk from a syringe and carried her around in my shirt pocket for about 4 months LOL

WOW!! that is about all I can say right now without going totally fucking batshit bitchy

I'm going to be flamed for this... but don't you see this beyond YOU? This is about doing the small things to be responsible about the future of our planet. Jeez.

:duh you'd think! But I guess it's easier to only think about oneself then when the world goes to the shitter you can say oh well it wasn't my fault. Seriously ignorance abounds

WOW!! that is about all I can say right now without going totally fucking batshit bitchy

You and me both girl...:arg

Psh global warming is such a joke

...... Yes you're completely right, there is no such thing *slams head on desk*

How dare he expect us to take personal responsibility!

I agree with everyone else that thinks he is saying something that is true and not insane. (or an off his rocker idea/concept/statement.) I mean heck just read my siggy quote! :)

I quoted you Cocoa because you as always made me snort I out loud !!!! You always completely slay me woman!

:duh you'd think! But I guess it's easier to only think about oneself then when the world goes to the shitter you can say oh well it wasn't my fault. Seriously ignorance abounds

Oh come on, I wanted to see some Berks Batshit Bitchiness :D Or is it imaginary like global warming? :thinking

i'm not an obama supporter, but i completely agree with what he was saying in the article.

the US can't have a 'do as we say, not as we do' policy, that'll never work.

going totally fucking batshit bitchy

I needed that laugh :rofl Her post are making my head hurt :sigh

...... Yes you're completely right, there is no such thing *slams head on desk*

:lol how's your head feeling? has the brain damage brought you believe global warming is a crock?

It's interesting to see what people are "hearing" about things. :giggle

Oh come on, I wanted to see some Berks Batshit Bitchiness :D Or is it imaginary like global warming? :thinking

Nope not doing it. I'm very passionate about recycling and doing my part. After all this is NOT just my world and one day this will be my children's world. UGH just makes me SOOOO mad. Hell I went off on my in laws for their constant use of paper plates.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but McCain has similar environmental strategies that emphasize the need to be more environmentally friendly. I guess everyone's off their rocker.

Thank you!! All he's saying is that the United States should not follow the "Do as we say and not as we do" example. I happen to agree.

i should have read before i posted...:agree

:lol how's your head feeling? has the brain damage brought you believe global warming is a crock?

Let's just say, I'm thinking about getting all dressed up to go to walmart and get some Busch, buy some copanhagen, and go muddin'.

THEN I'm going to come home, turn all the lights in my house on, run every faucet in the house, crank the heat up to 90 and bask in my ability to do so because I was BLESSED (truly) to be born in an Industrialized country.

:rollseyes

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but McCain has similar environmental strategies that emphasize the need to be more environmentally friendly. I guess everyone's off their rocker.

and you *you in general*never heard me (or read i should say) that I am all for McCain either.

i should have read before i posted...:agree

Great minds think alike:D:lmao

and you *you in general*never heard me (or read i should say) that I am all for McCain either.

LOL Faith, Lets just hope people with her mindset don't vote For gods sake!

and you *you in general*never heard me (or read i should say) that I am all for McCain either.

So what you are saying though is that we (general we) should all just do whatever we want just because we can. And who cares about how it will effect others?

So what you are saying though is that we (general we) should all just do whatever we want just because we can. And who cares about how it will effect others?

Apparently it doesn't effect others?!

Man, where is the crack snorting smiley when you need it?

I never said you were voting for McCain, I'm just saying, there isn't a candidate that supports your cause. Don't you think that means something?

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but McCain has similar environmental strategies that emphasize the need to be more environmentally friendly. I guess everyone's off their rocker.

Will you stupid sexy tree huggers PLEASE stop introducing logic into this debate? Like fresh air, it just has no place on this planet.

*off to torch a tree, just cuz I can. And then I'll pee on it. Just cuz.*

So you want a President that fully supports mad consumptions of our earths natural resources as long as WE get them before anyone else can (cause its not our fault those darn third world countries can't get their act together and never mind that most of the other industrialized nations signed the Kyoto protocol and are light years ahead on their environmental protection efforts along with their animal rights protections) and down with conservation efforts up with drilling where ever and when ever we need to? Forget about the world we are leaving behind for the generations to come because it is not my problem?

Just wondering...

I never said you were voting for McCain, I'm just saying, there isn't a candidate that supports your cause. Don't you think that means something?

It means we are all being fooled by well... every single peice of information that comes from studies on climate change, and the affect that humans are having on the enviorment due to pollution, green house gases etc...

We're off our rockers.

Apparently it doesn't effect others?!

Man, where is the crack snorting smiley when you need it?

We have a crack-snorting smiley??????

Will you stupid sexy tree huggers PLEASE stop introducing logic into this debate? Like fresh air, it just has no place on this planet.

*off to torch a tree, just cuz I can. And then I'll pee on it. Just cuz.*

:spitdrink

So you want a President that fully supports mad consumptions of our earths natural resources as long as WE get them before anyone else can (cause its not our fault those darn third world countries can't get their act together and never mind that most of the other industrialized nations signed the Kyoto protocol and are light years ahead on their environmental protection efforts along with their animal rights protections) and down with conservation efforts up with drilling where ever and when ever we need to? Forget about the world we are leaving behind for the generations to come because it is not my problem?

Just wondering...

Hey, as long as it's just our kids and grandkids etc that will have to live through the consequences, who cares?

Will you stupid sexy tree huggers PLEASE stop introducing logic into this debate? Like fresh air, it just has no place on this planet.

*off to torch a tree, just cuz I can. And then I'll pee on it. Just cuz.*

Woohoo! I'm sexy! :yay

Will you stupid sexy tree huggers PLEASE stop introducing logic into this debate? Like fresh air, it just has no place on this planet.

*off to torch a tree, just cuz I can. And then I'll pee on it. Just cuz.*

LOL! I like to hug trees, then cut them down and never use the wood, I just leave it there to rot. Similarily, I run around outside spraying aerosol, and drive to the grocery store just down the street because I can.

Oh and when I lived in Africa I would go up people who lived on the street with food, pretend to hand it to them, and then run away laughing, because I'm American, I can do that. :duh :duh :duh (one was just not enough)

So you want a President that fully supports mad consumptions of our earths natural resources as long as WE get them before anyone else can (cause its not our fault those darn third world countries can't get their act together and never mind that most of the other industrialized nations signed the Kyoto protocol and are light years ahead on their environmental protection efforts along with their animal rights protections) and down with conservation efforts up with drilling where ever and when ever we need to? Forget about the world we are leaving behind for the generations to come because it is not my problem?

Just wondering...

I think heads just exploded.

That CAN'T be good for the environment.

We have a crack-snorting smiley??????

Psht! I wish.

Can I be off my rocker if I don't own one? :thinkin

So you want a President that fully supports mad consumptions of our earths natural resources as long as WE get them before anyone else can (cause its not our fault those darn third world countries can't get their act together and never mind that most of the other industrialized nations signed the Kyoto protocol and are light years ahead on their environmental protection efforts along with their animal rights protections) and down with conservation efforts up with drilling where ever and when ever we need to? Forget about the world we are leaving behind for the generations to come because it is not my problem?

Just wondering...

We already have one of those.......

I made a debate about this...

Perhaps he's talking about our insane energy consumption? I don't see what's so off the rocker about that. He thinks people should change their lifestyles to be more energy efficient and environmental. Why is that terrible?

Yeah that. I didn;t read the thread, but this would have been my response.

We already have one of those.......

:ohsnap

The lady's got a legitimate point.

More of the same in 08! Wooooooooooooo!

We already have one of those.......

And we should be SO proud. :faint

We already have one of those.......

DOH (good one very witty!)

LOL Faith, Lets just hope people with her mindset don't vote For gods sake!

Wow really I shouldn't vote because I dont have the same views as you....

I made a debate about this...

You mean we can't debate in here anymore? :pout

I made a debate about this...

Are you going to get batshit bitchy cause I am only going to read it if you promise me some BSB going on in there!

Can I be off my rocker if I don't own one? :thinkin

Oh you own one alright! I just brought it up from the bunker.

Wow really I shouldn't vote because I dont have the same views as you....


I don't think that's what she meant.....

Wow really I shouldn't vote because I dont have the same views as you....

According to you, Obama is off his rocker and you aren't necessarily fond of McCain... so I don't even know who you'd vote for.

DOH (good one very witty!)

I ought to be on the boards while in the throws of a migraine more often I guess;)

Wow really I shouldn't vote because I dont have the same views as you....

LOL, no , you shouldn't vote because you obviously don't educate yourself on the world around you. I seriously think there should be some sort of test in order to gain access to polling machines, but alas, it's a democracy and everyone should get a say....

Man, I'm getting bitchy, it's just so frustrating when people are fucking ignorant about the planet, and say shit like "So what if 3rd world countries...."

Are you going to get batshit bitchy cause I am only going to read it if you promise me some BSB going on in there!

Pretty much :D :D

I don't think that's what she meant.....

LOL - in a sense yes! Don't mind me... :carryon

LOL, no , you shouldn't vote because you obviously don't educate yourself on the world around you. I serioulsy think there should be some sort of test....

Man, I'm getting bitchy, it's just so frustrating when people are fucking ignorant about the planet, and say shit like "So what if 3rd world countries...."

Im fucking ignorant because I dont have the same views as you?? I shouldn't vote because of that???? Wow you are the fuckin ignorant one

Im fucking ignorant because I dont have the same views as you?? I shouldn't vote because of that???? Wow you are the fuckin ignorant one

You're ignorant because of the things you say. Not because you have differing view points. If you had an educated opinion on the subject, then have at it, continue to ignore science, and the suffering of others.

Frankly, People like you are the reason that other countries hate us.

:drama Let the games begin....

Im fucking ignorant because I dont have the same views as you?? I shouldn't vote because of that???? Wow you are the fuckin ignorant one

No, I think she meant more or less that craaaaaazzzyyy people shouldn't be allowed to vote.

No you are ignorant because you don't understand how Americans mad consumption of natural resources effects the rest of the world. OR you do know and you just don't care.

OR you do know and you just don't care.

I'm putting $10 on that one. Anyone else?

Im fucking ignorant because I dont have the same views as you?? I shouldn't vote because of that???? Wow you are the fuckin ignorant one

She didn't say that. Stop putting words in her mouth. She's saying you shouldn't vote (which I believe was said out of frustration, she's not literally trying to take your vote away) because you're ignorant and selfish on the topic and are only interested in progressing this destructive mentality our country (and administration) already has... not because you don't agree with her. That's childish.

Stop freaking out just because everyone disagrees with you.

I feel like I should pop some popcorn just to watch this thread. :lol What entertainment.

No you are ignorant because you don't understand how Americans mad consumption of natural resources effects the rest of the world. OR you do know and you just don't care.

:hail You always say what I'm thinking much more tactfuly than I would....

You're ignorant because of the things you say. Not because you have differing view points. If you had an educated opinion on the subject, then have at it, continue to ignore science, and the suffering of others.

Frankly, People like you are the reason that other countries hate us.

my views are educated thank you. just because im not some tree hugging global warming advocate doesnt mean my views arnt eduacted. but thank you for insinuating that I am fucking stupid

No, I think she meant more or less that craaaaaazzzyyy people shouldn't be allowed to vote.

No you are ignorant because you don't understand how Americans mad consumption of natural resources effects the rest of the world. OR you do know and you just don't care.

She didn't say that. Stop putting words in her mouth. She's saying you shouldn't vote (which I believe was said out of frustration, she's not literally trying to take your vote away) because you're ignorant and selfish on the topic and are only interested in progressing this destructive mentality our country (and administration) already has... not because you don't agree with her. That's childish.

Stop freaking out just because everyone disagrees with you.

*SIGH* THANK YOU!

my views are educated thank you. just because im not some tree hugging global warming advocate doesnt mean my views arnt eduacted. but thank you for insinuating that I am fucking stupid

Ignorance and stupidity are two completely different things. Nobody ever said you were stupid. You are quite the opposite from what I have seen.

She didn't say that. Stop putting words in her mouth. She's saying you shouldn't vote (which I believe was said out of frustration, she's not literally trying to take your vote away) because you're ignorant and selfish on the topic and are only interested in progressing this destructive mentality our country (and administration) already has... not because you don't agree with her. That's childish.

Stop freaking out just because everyone disagrees with you.

wow she didnt, because i swear she said this "you shouldn't vote because you obviously don't educate yourself on the world around you. I seriously think there should be some sort of test in order to gain access to polling machines, but alas, it's a democracy and everyone should get a say....

Man, I'm getting bitchy, it's just so frustrating when people are fucking ignorant about the planet, and say shit like "So what if 3rd world countries..."

I should really grow a tree INSIDE my home. It makes my tree-hugging so much more convenient.

Keep it clean ladies or this will end up in the BR. :)

Ignorance and stupidity are two completely different things. Nobody ever said you were stupid. You are quite the opposite from what I have seen.

she said i didnt have an eduacated opinion.

my views are educated thank you. just because im not some tree hugging global warming advocate doesnt mean my views arnt eduacted. but thank you for insinuating that I am fucking stupid

Is is just me, or does anyone else love the irony in this post?

my views are educated thank you. just because im not some tree hugging global warming advocate doesnt mean my views arnt eduacted. but thank you for insinuating that I am fucking stupid

Your view are educated by what source? Obviously not a book that has been published in the last... oh, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt so... 20 years??!

Fuck, yes I am a tree hugger, I LOVE being able to breath, and nature is freaking GORGEOUS - I want to preserve that. This Planet is the only one that we have - and if preserving what is left of it, and reducing my impact on the planet means I can't drive everywhere, and maybe , god for bid have to walk once and awhile, then so be it!

I wouldn't insinuate if you didn't make yourself sound stupid. I only have what you've written to go off of. Hell, who knows, maybe you're a math whiz of some sort, but science DEFINETLY isn't your strong point. So no you aren't stupid, I just guess you don't understand how the world works *shrug* We can't be a singular country, we have to be a global community and help each other, we all live on the planet together, and we are wasting EVERYONES resources. I personally want my child to grow up on a clean earth, and have HIS kids do the same, but with mentalities like yours, it doesn't look good for our planet. Which is really sad.

You don't believe us, but maybe you'll believe NASA? They are rocket scientists afterall... http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20080514/

Is is just me, or does anyone else love the irony in this post?

I wasn't going to say anything but yes, I do. ;)

she said i didnt have an eduacated opinion.

I, up till recently, didn't have an educated opinion about Republicans in general and would spout off things I'm not proud of. I was an ignorant.

Well. DUH we can't! We are a wasteful, fat, and lazy country and unfortunetly that is how other countries view us, and that's really sad.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say in your "vent".... that yout hink we should all be able to do whatever we want and say "screw the planet and the opinion of the rest of the world" ?

:agree

Working in a fast food restaurant for two years taught me that. A double whopper has 1000 calories. That's the entirety of a person's servings for the day if they are watching what they eat. I've seen people order 3 for themselves. Watching the amount of grease people put into their bodies daily is really unhealthy.

And as for consuming natural resources, why do you think gas is at such a high price right now? It's because we continue to use it and someday we won't have any petroleum to make it. It's depleting fast.

wow she didnt, because i swear she said this "you shouldn't vote because you obviously don't educate yourself on the world around you. I seriously think there should be some sort of test in order to gain access to polling machines, but alas, it's a democracy and everyone should get a say....

Man, I'm getting bitchy, it's just so frustrating when people are fucking ignorant about the planet, and say shit like "So what if 3rd world countries..."

*gasp* and THEN she said " BUT ALAS, IT'S A DEMOCRACY AND EVERYONE SHOULD GET A SAY"

I, up till recently, didn't have an educated opinion about Republicans in general and would spout off things I'm not proud of. I was an ignorant.

And you are an amazing person for admitting that you were, and even more amazing for being reformed

PS. I grew up like 2 hrs north of GB!

my views are educated thank you. just because im not some tree hugging global warming advocate doesnt mean my views arnt eduacted. but thank you for insinuating that I am fucking stupid

Your views appear to be as educated as your grammar and spelling.

Instead of backing up anything you say with facts, you simply state that you should be able to 'do what you want' and that global warming isn't real. :no

I'd stay around to chat...but hugging those trees is a full-time job :whatever

my views are educated thank you. just because im not some tree hugging global warming advocate doesnt mean my views arnt eduacted. but thank you for insinuating that I am fucking stupid

Ok say global warming is a crock. ok fine lots of people think that. How would that in ANY WAY justify you driving a gas guzzler 1000 miles a week and cracking the AC and heat to whatever and doing nothing to help the enviornment? I'm not saying you do all of those I'm just going off this post...

how is someone trying to tell me that I can eat what/how much of what i want, or drive my suv if i want, or keep my freakin house comfortable, just because some 3rd world country cant not crazy??? I live in a democracy, not a dictatorship

Your views appear to be as educated as your grammar and spelling.

Instead of backing up anything you say with facts, you simply state that you should be able to 'do what you want' and that global warming isn't real. :no

I'd stay around to chat...but hugging those trees is a full-time job :whatever

LULZ.

Saying your are uneducated about an issue (in other words ignorant) is not the same thing as calling you stupid. There is a big differance.

i dont think the OP really understood the quote she was quoting....

Your view are educated by what source? Obviously not a book that has been published in the last... oh, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt so... 20 years??!

Fuck, yes I am a tree hugger, I LOVE being able to breath, and nature is freaking GORGEOUS - I want to preserve that. This Planet is the only one that we have - and if preserving what is left of it, and reducing my impact on the planet means I can't drive everywhere, and maybe , god for bid have to walk once and awhile, then so be it!

I wouldn't insinuate if you didn't make yourself sound stupid. I only have what you've written to go off of. Hell, who knows, maybe you're a math whiz of some sort, but science DEFINETLY isn't your strong point. So no you aren't stupid, I just guess you don't understand how the world works *shrug* We can't be a singular country, we have to be a global community and help each other, we all live on the planet together, and we are wasting EVERYONES resources. I personally want my child to grow up on a clean earth, and have HIS kids do the same, but with mentalities like yours, it doesn't look good for our planet. Which is really sad.

You don't believe us, but maybe you'll believe NASA? They are rocket scientists afterall... http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20080514/


oo looky hera i can find articles that have my views too....now were all just so smart......http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/environment/warmingeditorial.html

i dont think the OP really understood the quote she was quoting....

I don't think she really understands much about the subject actually. But, that is just my opinion. :dunno

I should really grow a tree INSIDE my home. It makes my tree-hugging so much more convenient.

Kinky.

Why don't you just MARRY your tree, since you love it so much?

oo looky hera i can find articles that have my views too....now were all just so smart......http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/environment/warmingeditorial.html

LOL - I give you a link to NASA! and you give me... THIS?! Are you joking me? Really? I'd definetly believe William Robert Johnston who wrote an article for the Brownsville Herald over NASA...What exactly are his credentials?

But man... You sure showed me!
Gosh, I'm going to go sulk to my trees and cry.
And of you tree huggers wanna come?

oo looky hera i can find articles that have my views too....now were all just so smart......http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/environment/warmingeditorial.html

Finding something on the internet that supports your worldview is nice, and very easy.

Now, finding something that's been peer-reviewed and is scientifically factual is a little bit tougher. You're going to have to do better than a story written seven years ago.

Is is just me, or does anyone else love the irony in this post?

Yeah I noticed that too.

LOL - I give you a link to NASA! and you give me... THIS?! Are you joking me? Really? I'd definetly believe William Robert Johnston who wrote an article for the Brownsville Herald over NASA... you showed me! Gosh, I'm going to go sulk to my trees and cry.

LOL It's kind of like my mom writing an article, giving a BJ for a newspaper to print it and VOILA! That's right, bow down NASA. Who do you think you are anyway? :rofl

Finding something on the internet that supports your worldview is nice, and very easy.

Now, finding something that's been peer-reviewed and is scientifically factual is a little bit tougher. You're going to have to do better than that.

I must concur....

And if you want to believe global warming isn't true, read on how much ice is breaking off of the glaciers of the North and South Poles and then make your decision.

If we keep it up we'll have no trees, which reproduce oxygen for us to breathe, and no water. Living in a desert with an aquifer as your source of water and knowing that it isn't going to last forever teaches you to conserve what you have. I suggest you try.

Perhaps he's talking about our insane energy consumption? I don't see what's so off the rocker about that. He thinks people should change their lifestyles to be more energy efficient and environmental. Why is that terrible?

:agree

LOL It's kind of like my mom writing an article, giving a BJ for a newspaper to print it and VOILA! That's right, bow down NASA. Who do you think you are anyway? :rofl

What, do they think they are, Rocket Scientists? I'm going to go write an article right now and put it in the Daily News. WTH is Brownsville BTW?

ALSO I had to rearead, and missed the "giving a BJ" for the newspaper to print it, you crack me up!

Guys, I understand how infuriating it is to have someone say things you so STRONGLY disagree with... but please be careful about what you are saying... it's starting to become a gang attack on her.

Feel free to tell her you disagree... to even educate her if you feel she needs it... but try not to MOCK and BELITTLE her... there is no reason to. We are all adults and she can make her own decisions (as infuriating as those decisions may be)

I am just glad I am not drinking the kool-aid the way the OP appears to be

Guys, I understand how infuriating it is to have someone say things you so STRONGLY disagree with... but please be careful about what you are saying... it's starting to become a gang attack on her.

Feel free to tell her you disagree... to even educate her if you feel she needs it... but try not to MOCK and BELITTLE her... there is no reason to. We are all adults and she can make her own decisions (as infuriating as those decisions may be)

I agree to a point. It should not resort to an attack. As much as I disagree with her she is EXACTLY like my besetest friend and I can't be too hard on her or it would be like me dissing my BF and I know neither one of them are stupid in any way. I just happen to agree with the majority here that's all:dunno

:DWell. DUH we can't! We are a wasteful, fat, and lazy country and unfortunetly that is how other countries view us, and that's really sad.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say in your "vent".... that yout hink we should all be able to do whatever we want and say "screw the planet and the opinion of the rest of the world" ?

She nailed it.:bringit

I agree to a point. It should not resort to an attack. As much as I disagree with her she is EXACTLY like my besetest friend and I can't be too hard on her or it would be like me dissing my BF and I know neither one of them are stupid in any way. I just happen to agree with the majority here that's all:dunno
there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with her, absolutely not! I happen to disagree with her...

but its all the little comments people are making like the most recent one about her drinking koolaid and all the sarcastic ones before that that are exaggerated about wasting gas and such... there is no reason to talk like that. It brings the whole thread down to a level below all of us here. We are all mature adults capable of discussing things as such... with a level of maturity that doesnt fall down to snarky sarcastic and rude comments.

there is nothing wrong with disagreeing with her, absolutely not! I happen to disagree with her...

but its all the little comments people are making like the most recent one about her drinking koolaid and all the sarcastic ones before that that are exaggerated about wasting gas and such... there is no reason to talk like that. It brings the whole thread down to a level below all of us here. We are all mature adults capable of discussing things as such... with a level of maturity that doesnt fall down to snarky sarcastic and rude comments.

:tu

Kinky.

Why don't you just MARRY your tree, since you love it so much?

hawt! ;)

Dayum, I missed so much. Stupid work!

I think everyone covered my thoughts though, good work everybody. :grouphug

Dayum, I missed so much. Stupid work!

I think everyone covered my thoughts though, good work everybody. :grouphug

Psh, you almost got kicked out of the tree, I needed your back up Miss!

Don't mess with Mrs. Woods, everyone! :handup :D

wow, that is all i can say is wow.
so someone has a diffrent opinion and everyone gangs up on her.
ok, so you don't agree with what she said.
why all the catiness about it???
are we in middle school here?
it just really is upsetting that there can't be a "civilized" conversation or debate.


ok let the flaming begin!

Don't mess with Mrs. Woods, everyone! :handup :D

http://www.heartland.org/article.cfm?artId=22835
http://www.heartland.org/pdf/22835.pdf

Read the PDF

Don't mess with Mrs. Woods, everyone! :handup :D

I bought bandanas, wanna start a gang?

Btw, way to back me up :arg LOL

Um.....he's got a point......

According to sourcewatch.org:

Heartland Institute

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The Heartland Institute, according to the Institute's web site, is a nonprofit organization "to discover and promote free-market solutions to social and economic problems".[1] Heartland campaigns against what it refers to as "junk science"; supports "common-sense environmentalism", such as opposition to the the Kyoto protocol aimed at countering global warming and promoting genetically engineered crops and products; it supports the privatization of public services; it opposes tobacco control measure such as tobacco tax increases and denies the health effects of second-hand smoke; it supports the introduction of school vouchers;, and it promotes the deregulation of health care insurance. Heartland also hosts PolicyBot, which it refers to as the "Internet's most extensive clearing-house for the work of free-market think tanks". The database contains 22,000 documents from 350 U.S. right-wing think tanks and advocacy groups.[2]
In March 2008 the Heartland Institute hosted what was referred to as The 2008 International Conference on Climate Change.[3]
The institute was founded in 1984 by David H. Padden and Joseph L. Bast.

So you expect me to believe a report from an organization with a political agenda?

OP, you need to maybe travel outside of your bubble occasionally and see what others in the world live like. Having been homeless more than once, I tend to conserve what I can, because being wasteful is just literally nonsensical...regardless of anyone else's opinions on what I should or shouldn't do.

I just feel sad for you.

I don't really like Obama at all, but I think he makes a point here.

It's like messing your room up at home and expecting your parents to pick up the mess you made. At some point you have to grow up and pick up your own mess, and then find a way to not let it get so messy the next time.

Except with global warming, the US is the "you" and all the other countries are "the parents"

Nevermind. I am editing my post because it came off as almost mean, and quite judgemental...and that wasn't what I was going for.

I think I'll just say that I disagree with the OP's analysis of the scenario, and leave it at that.

To the OP: I would wish that you would think about what abusing resources will do in the long run. You may or may not be taking things away from your generation but you are definitely borrowing time from your child's generation. The facts are there and I would wish that you would think about what getting on the defense and over using resources may do to the quality of life your child(ren) will have when they are older. JMHO

I usually don't get involved in these kind of threads because politics is kind of a touchy subject for most people. I think everyone is entitled to their own opnions and I respect that :) My opinion is that, I get what he's trying to say and I agree. Those were just examples off the top of his head. I doubt he's going to ban SUVs and give you a menu you have to eat off of or something like that :lol He makes a very good point.

...... "just because some third world country can't" ......

I cannot even comment on this. I want to... but I can't for risk of being banned from these boards... take a fucking step back and really LOOK at the world, READ about another culture.... How old are you that you have this sort of mindset?

P.S he's not saying "You CAN'T do this" he's saying, we need to get a grasp on our consumption of everything, food, gas, energy, etc for risk of destorying the planet AND ourselves.

:yes

I don't see how its a joke at all, I think that comment is 100% true and right on the money

:agree

He's saying that as a global superpower, we have an obligation to exhibit more conservative behavior and environmental responsibility, in other words, lead by example. And yes, other countries do say that we are a wasteful, gluttonous country because we ARE.

absolutely.

yeah but if i want to pay for what im using then I will, in no way should someone try to tell me that i shouldnt drive my vehicle, or that i shouldnt be able to cool/heat my house.

are you serious? just because you can afford something, doesn't mean you're automatically entitled to it. Conserving resources should be a PRIORITY.... because.... SURPRISE, they're NOT ENDLESS!!!

How dare he expect us to take personal responsibility!

No shit, eh?

Psh global warming is such a joke

:hystericlaugh I can't even respond to that.

WOW!! that is about all I can say right now without going totally fucking batshit bitchy

That's kinda how I feel.

Will you stupid sexy tree huggers PLEASE stop introducing logic into this debate? Like fresh air, it just has no place on this planet.

*off to torch a tree, just cuz I can. And then I'll pee on it. Just cuz.*

:giggle

LOL! I like to hug trees, then cut them down and never use the wood, I just leave it there to rot. Similarily, I run around outside spraying aerosol, and drive to the grocery store just down the street because I can.

Oh and when I lived in Africa I would go up people who lived on the street with food, pretend to hand it to them, and then run away laughing, because I'm American, I can do that. :duh :duh :duh (one was just not enough)

:giggle

LOL, no , you shouldn't vote because you obviously don't educate yourself on the world around you. I seriously think there should be some sort of test in order to gain access to polling machines, but alas, it's a democracy and everyone should get a say....

Man, I'm getting bitchy, it's just so frustrating when people are fucking ignorant about the planet, and say shit like "So what if 3rd world countries...."

I totally agree.

You're ignorant because of the things you say. Not because you have differing view points. If you had an educated opinion on the subject, then have at it, continue to ignore science, and the suffering of others.

Frankly, People like you are the reason that other countries hate us.

ITA. :shrug

my views are educated thank you. just because im not some tree hugging global warming advocate doesnt mean my views arnt eduacted. but thank you for insinuating that I am fucking stupid

Global warming advocate? Doesn't that mean you're in favor of global warming? :dunno


Your view are educated by what source? Obviously not a book that has been published in the last... oh, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt so... 20 years??!

Fuck, yes I am a tree hugger, I LOVE being able to breath, and nature is freaking GORGEOUS - I want to preserve that. This Planet is the only one that we have - and if preserving what is left of it, and reducing my impact on the planet means I can't drive everywhere, and maybe , god for bid have to walk once and awhile, then so be it!

I wouldn't insinuate if you didn't make yourself sound stupid. I only have what you've written to go off of. Hell, who knows, maybe you're a math whiz of some sort, but science DEFINETLY isn't your strong point. So no you aren't stupid, I just guess you don't understand how the world works *shrug* We can't be a singular country, we have to be a global community and help each other, we all live on the planet together, and we are wasting EVERYONES resources. I personally want my child to grow up on a clean earth, and have HIS kids do the same, but with mentalities like yours, it doesn't look good for our planet. Which is really sad.

You don't believe us, but maybe you'll believe NASA? They are rocket scientists afterall... http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/news/20080514/

I totally agree with the bolded statements.

i dont think the OP really understood the quote she was quoting....

:agree

OP, you need to maybe travel outside of your bubble occasionally and see what others in the world live like. Having been homeless more than once, I tend to conserve what I can, because being wasteful is just literally nonsensical...regardless of anyone else's opinions on what I should or shouldn't do.

I just feel sad for you.

:yes

Wow...
I think the original posters opinion was to not be "told" what to do or how to live because we are a free society but have a choice. And a choice that is financially acheivable because sometimes going green hits the pocket book hard.
Also, from what I have read it seems most people love to blame the US for all the problems in the world. The US has some of the strictest environmental laws in the world, China has surpassed in CO2 emissions and yet I don't see anyone pointing fingers at them. China's use of vehicles has risen enormously in the past decade, they love their cars more than we do. China has some of the nastiest polluted rivers, garbage everywhere and their land is turning into a desert yet the US is the big bad guy but 40% of the US is protected land that can never be developed. Hmmmm.
I agree we are a fat lazy nation but forcing people to change will only piss them off but offering a choice along with education is better. Instead of attacking and saying you're ignorant why not say ok here are the facts and together we can do this. Recycling is a major thing for me, I recycle everything and good thing I was already in the habit because it's required here in Korea. That doesn't mean I am an eco freak because frankly eco freaks bug the shit out of me but I am willing to do my part without giving up my comfort.
I also believe "human caused" global warming is a crock of shit and many scientists agree. It's a natural cycle and a lot has to do with solar cycles of sun spots. Also, there is evidence the Earth is beginning a cooling trend... I know some in SoCal will disagree since it's been blazing hot there but some weather mpeople say its because the trade winds have shifted northward. It's been in the 50's as highs the last couple days in Korea... I've been cold, damn it!

Originally Posted by CocoaGoddess
Kinky.

Why don't you just MARRY your tree, since you love it so much?

gives a whole new meaning to 'morning wood', now doesn't it?

inmansgirl06: Um... wow... I don't even know where to begin with you :hystericlaugh But I'm kinda drunk now and I'm a mean dunk, so I'll just leave this until I'm sober. ><

how is someone trying to tell me that I can eat what/how much of what i want, or drive my suv if i want, or keep my freakin house comfortable, just because some 3rd world country cant not crazy??? I live in a democracy, not a dictatorship

You do realise that 'some 3rd world country' is refusing to increase oil production for the US, thus potentially forcing gas prices to increase to a point where you might not be able to drive your suv as much as you want? You may live in a democratic republic but your choices are still somewhat governed by the economy.

Here's a news article I found very interesting:

America must face the harsh realities over oil (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article3964339.ece)

President Bush was in Saudi Arabia at the weekend, trying to get his hosts to increase oil production to take some of the pressure off rising prices.

Ever willing to be seen to please their American friends, the helpful chaps at the House of Saud duly agreed to ramp up output by a few hundred thousand barrels a day. This, of course, is a drop in the tanker of Saudi, let alone global energy production, and to nobody's great surprise it had no effect whatsoever. The price of crude crept above $127 per barrel in London trading yesterday.

In economic terms, there's a not very polite term for what the President was doing which describes the futility and discomfort of performing a certain bodily function into a countervailing breeze.

But Mr Bush - an oilman after oil - knows this, too. His efforts were more of a political gesture than a meaningful policy initiative.

In political terms, inexorably rising oil prices are starting to generate something approaching panic in America. The Republicans, already battered by the weak economy and the seemingly intractable Iraq war, are ripe targets for yet more opprobrium for failing to rein-in oil companies as they heartlessly exploit the poor Americans who find themselves unable to drive their five-litre engined cars very far this summer.

The crunch from oil prices plays an important rhetorical role in Hillary Clinton's barely breathing presidential campaign. In her stump speeches to rapidly diminishing audiences, she never misses an opportunity to berate the oil companies - and their Republican friends in government.

Her economically illiterate idea for a gas tax holiday over the summer was predicated on these popular fears about rising energy costs, though one of the many problems with it was that it would probably have ended up channelling even more revenue to the oil companies because it is unlikely they would have passed on the whole tax reduction on to consumers.

Barack Obama has been marginally less demagogic, to be fair, but he can't resist sticking it to the heartless energy companies, either.

The President and most of his dwindling band of Republican brothers (though not, it should be said, the party's presidential candidate John McCain) pursue a similarly silly tack.

They'd have us believe that if only the United States would open up the Arctic to more oil exploration, prices would drop like a stone. In an election, this is all very well. But time is getting on and it is becoming ever more urgent that whoever wins in November drops the populist rhetoric and gets to grips with a couple of basic realities.

The first is that higher energy costs are here to stay. You don't have to buy Goldman Sachs's headline-grabbing forecast this month that crude will reach $200 a barrel.

But it would be foolish to try to deny that in the immediate future, anything we do now will not stop prices rising.

Oil is up by almost 30 per cent this year alone. That's not the fault of greedy energy companies, or that other current favourite, unscrupulous speculators. It is a simple fact of economic life in a world economy that is, in effect, experiencing a new industrial revolution among half its population.

Even in the event of a serious recession in much of the developed world, energy demand is not going to change much.

The second reality is that this is, in the end, at least in terms of the nexus of economics and energy policy, a Good Thing. It should force all of us in the West to redouble our efforts to diminish our dependence on oil. Fortunately, markets are quite effective at doing this. As we all know, the capitalist world - yes, even the US - is much more energy-efficient today than it was 40 years ago. For that we have the last great oil shock of the 1970s to thank.

A third reality is that, at least for the foreseeable future, these higher prices will have enormous implications for geopolitics.

It is a staple of all political debate in the US now that the American dependence on oil has led to staggeringly bad policy for decades towards the big oil producers. It has forced the US into bed with some unsavoury characters and has been the constant factor behind repeated and often baleful US interventions in the Middle East.

Now, in addition to the threats posed by an even more complicated Middle East, the US has to address the challenge of a rapidly enriching Russia, a country that shows every intention of rolling back democratic progress and using its energy wealth to create trouble for America and Western Europe wherever it can.

In the very near future, real, ingenious American leadership will be needed not to make pointless gestures towards the newly powerful energy producers but to ensure we don't turn our dependence on a scarce resource into political capitulation.

my views are educated thank you. just because im not some tree hugging global warming advocate doesnt mean my views arnt eduacted. but thank you for insinuating that I am fucking stupid

You know they say foul language is the sign of a weak vocabulary...

I'm just sayin'.

Oh, and just so you know, I'm not insinuating that you're "fucking stupid." I'm telling you that if you don't get your act together and start caring about the world around you, instead of just your selfish wants, your children will be living in a worse world than we already are.

But I suppose you're okay with that, too. After all, if YOU aren't here, why does it matter, right?

You know they say foul language is the sign of a weak vocabulary...

I'm just sayin'.

Oh, and just so you know, I'm not insinuating that you're "fucking stupid." I'm telling you that if you don't get your act together and start caring about the world around you, instead of just your selfish wants, your children will be living in a worse world than we already are.

But I suppose you're okay with that, too. After all, if YOU aren't here, why does it matter, right?


Very valid points....

Wow...
I think the original posters opinion was to not be "told" what to do or how to live because we are a free society but have a choice. And a choice that is financially acheivable because sometimes going green hits the pocket book hard.

And NOT going green hits the PLANET hard. But I suppose it doesn't matter what happens to our children and their children and their children's children, because hey we won't be around for it anyways, right? We don't have to deal with it, they will. I wonder what the recommended SPF will be when my great grandkids are born.

Also, from what I have read it seems most people love to blame the US for all the problems in the world. The US has some of the strictest environmental laws in the world, China has surpassed in CO2 emissions and yet I don't see anyone pointing fingers at them. China's use of vehicles has risen enormously in the past decade, they love their cars more than we do. China has some of the nastiest polluted rivers, garbage everywhere and their land is turning into a desert yet the US is the big bad guy but 40% of the US is protected land that can never be developed.

I guess I don't understand what you're trying to say. The US IS to blame for many problems in the world, in conjunction with other industrialized countries of the world. We are farrrrr from blameless. So is your point "Well, they're doing it so then we should be able to also?" Last I checked China was also a communist country. Hmmmmmmm.


I agree we are a fat lazy nation but forcing people to change will only piss them off but offering a choice along with education is better.

I have to disagree with this also. People KNOW we are a fat lazy nation and still nothing is happening to change it. Society is soooo self absorbed. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that salad is better for us than a whopper. People are still buying whoppers...and feeding them to the kids no less. Our obesity rate is climbing, and knowledge won't change that. Maybe Wii fit will.


Recycling is a major thing for me, I recycle everything and good thing I was already in the habit because it's required here in Korea. That doesn't mean I am an eco freak because frankly eco freaks bug the shit out of me but I am willing to do my part without giving up my comfort.

You don't want to give up your comfort? :giggle That's part of the problem. People are not willing to go out of their way to do anything to solve the problem. They'd rather pass the blame up to the government and the rest of the world. "Let somebody else fix it." they say "I don't want to be inconvenienced." I guess the truth IS inconvenient - but then hey why not just ignore the truth and call it nature running its course.

I also believe "human caused" global warming is a crock of shit and many scientists agree. It's a natural cycle and a lot has to do with solar cycles of sun spots. Also, there is evidence the Earth is beginning a cooling trend... I know some in SoCal will disagree since it's been blazing hot there but some weather mpeople say its because the trade winds have shifted northward.

Just like that.

And NOT going green hits the PLANET hard. But I suppose it doesn't matter what happens to our children and their children and their children's children, because hey we won't be around for it anyways, right? We don't have to deal with it, they will. I wonder what the recommended SPF will be when my great grandkids are born.



I guess I don't understand what you're trying to say. The US IS to blame for many problems in the world, in conjunction with other industrialized countries of the world. We are farrrrr from blameless. So is your point "Well, they're doing it so then we should be able to also?" Last I checked China was also a communist country. Hmmmmmmm.




I have to disagree with this also. People KNOW we are a fat lazy nation and still nothing is happening to change it. Society is soooo self absorbed. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that salad is better for us than a whopper. People are still buying whoppers...and feeding them to the kids no less. Our obesity rate is climbing, and knowledge won't change that. Maybe Wii fit will.




You don't want to give up your comfort? :giggle That's part of the problem. People are not willing to go out of their way to do anything to solve the problem. They'd rather pass the blame up to the government and the rest of the world. "Let somebody else fix it." they say "I don't want to be inconvenienced." I guess the truth IS inconvenient - but then hey why not just ignore the truth and call it nature running its course.



Just like that.

all i have to say is... GO BECCA!!!! :yes i'm with you on this one.

:dunno I can't even comment on this
thread without yelling and stuff :sigh

Honestly, I think this thread has been handled in a pretty civilized manner, especially since it's such a heated topic.

I agree with Becca and SOnia, but because I quoted enough people already I will save the space and just say that I agree instead of quoting them too. :P

And these are the kind of thoughts that will be the demise of this planet....We are not citizens of just a country, we are citizens of planet earth

I completely agree. The attitude that America is the only place that matters upsets me. We live in this WORLD, too.

He's saying that as a global superpower, we have an obligation to exhibit more conservative behavior and environmental responsibility, in other words, lead by example. And yes, other countries do say that we are a wasteful, gluttonous country because we ARE.

Precisely.

yeah but if i want to pay for what im using then I will, in no way should someone try to tell me that i shouldnt drive my vehicle, or that i shouldnt be able to cool/heat my house.

No one is saying that you can't, but what is wrong with a little responsibility for your actions? Your consumption effects others. That's just the way it IS. Ignoring that doesn't make it not true. Unless you think that your consumption doesn't effect anyone and then I would say that you need to do more research on the subject.

Psh global warming is such a joke

:rofl

WOW!! that is about all I can say right now without going totally fucking batshit bitchy

Maybe the global warming is causing your bitchiness. :lol

Will you stupid sexy tree huggers PLEASE stop introducing logic into this debate? Like fresh air, it just has no place on this planet.

*off to torch a tree, just cuz I can. And then I'll pee on it. Just cuz.*

:lmao You are a riot.

my views are educated thank you. just because im not some tree hugging global warming advocate doesnt mean my views arnt eduacted. but thank you for insinuating that I am fucking stupid

No one said you are stupid, but why should anyone assume that your views are educated when you don't back them up with some facts? Before you tell me that you posted links, you didn't post those until AFTER you said this, and your links are highly suspect.

Is is just me, or does anyone else love the irony in this post?

Hahahahahaha LOVE IT.

Finding something on the internet that supports your worldview is nice, and very easy.

Now, finding something that's been peer-reviewed and is scientifically factual is a little bit tougher. You're going to have to do better than a story written seven years ago.

Not to mention a story written by... Who is that guy? Anyone know? :P

http://www.heartland.org/article.cfm?artId=22835
http://www.heartland.org/pdf/22835.pdf

Read the PDF

Someone else already quoted sourcewatch, but here is a link for you since you like links so much...
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Heartland_Institute

The USA is not the dirtiest nation out there. Do some research on how nasty China really is. I hate when America gets blamed for the entire demise of the planet as a whole. I tend to think that until we find more renewable energy sources and quit using one of the dirtiest forms of energy (coal) that we will never be able to lead the way. I do want our government to get involved though because I don't think we will win the battle any other way.

We hear all the time how it's basically middle America guzzling down the gas and eating nasty fast food that's causing all of the planets problems. I'm gonna call major BS on that one :hehe

I really think also that America has gotten a bad image and it's almost becoming a urban legend of sorts that we are out of control pigs. MOST if not all of the people I know (family or otherwise) isn't living some gluttonous lifestyle. People I know these days can barely afford to fill their tanks to drive to and from work and can barely afford to put a decent meal on the table :dunno I think if we want to place blame at all it needs to go a little higher up than the middle class working Americans...ya know people with the money to be gluttonous and out of control to begin with:hehe

um. yea. I'm not even sure how to respond. Anyone who takes an attitude of "it's my right to do whatever I want, consequences for anyone else be damned.. nanny nanny boo boo" is selfish. Plain and simple. For anyone that thinks taking care of the planet and a leader who encourages people to take that responsiblity is a bad thing, needs to pull his/her head out of the sand. The sad thing is, the OP is not alone in this world in her thinking.

:banghead

Wow.......just from reading a few of these posts I'm thinking:

"Man I should have never decided to catch up on reading about the Cholera outbreak in London in 1854".......................................damn

Perhaps he's talking about our insane energy consumption? I don't see what's so off the rocker about that. He thinks people should change their lifestyles to be more energy efficient and environmental. Why is that terrible?

:agree VERY MUCH with this comment!!!

um...ok
dont take this the wrong way
but i honestly didnt know that people still beleived global warming doesnt exist
i mean take a look outside...watch the news...listen to NASA or something
for one thing the polar ice caps are MELTING these giant chunks of ice that have been there for hundreds of years are dissapearing how is that not a MAJOR clue...
i for one dont think my children and grandchildren and greatchildren need to be screwed over more then we already are....

:carryon

Ummm, I think I might know or understand where the OP is coming from. I think it is the tone that was taken by Obama about how we "can't". Believe me, I am all about going green, but I am also a firm believer that there are other options out there that will make great impacts besides taking away my air conditioning... I think he should change the way that he words some things to get his point across. Technology out there today is amazing and should be utilized... Not to mention that I firmly believe all cleaning supplies and such should be organic as well as removing harmful pesticides... I think it should be more of an issue of not making certain things available as far as harmful chemicals and making available other alternatives. Not just talking about taking away what I do have... But I do have a right to my vehicle and home comforts. So like I said, I agree to the point, but I do not agree with how he said it and the bad taste it leaves with so many... There has all ready been talk about his socialist views, and I for one am not for any idea that is socialist.

There has all ready been talk about his socialist views, and I for one am not for any idea that is socialist.

Why?

oh my word.

:no

OP I don't understand why you are still defending your mistake. It seems to me that you think everyone on this site is a tree hugger. Have you looked at gas prices? Do you know why they are so high? Or do you just not care because you have enough money to pay for it?

OP I don't understand why you are still defending your mistake. It seems to me that you think everyone on this site is a tree hugger. Have you looked at gas prices? Do you know why they are so high? Or do you just not care because you have enough money to pay for it?

wow maybe you should look at dates, because I dropped this quite awhile ago. I dont feel i made a mistake or that I am wrong in my thinking. ANd yes i do know why gas is so high, because we as a nation refuse to drill our own oil and continue to rely on other countries. And no i dont really care too much about gas prices because I do have enough money to pay for it, not that it should matter to you anyways

Psh global warming is such a joke

Once I saw this I couldn't read any further.

I honestly have no words for this except that I'd just like to ask, do you live under a rock and are you for real?
I just hope our children don't suffer from your ignorance.

wow maybe you should look at dates, because I dropped this quite awhile ago. I dont feel i made a mistake or that I am wrong in my thinking. ANd yes i do know why gas is so high, because we as a nation refuse to drill our own oil and continue to rely on other countries. And no i dont really care too much about gas prices because I do have enough money to pay for it, not that it should matter to you anyways

I personally think there is a PROBLEM when Oil Companies are making record profits, when people can barely afford to get to work because prices are so high.

Maybe YOU can pay for it, but a lot of people are struggling with it. It's a completely selfish way to think about "drilling our own oil" and "relying on other countries"

NO, we as a nation need to start looking into alternative fuel sources, we have finally started to do that. I don't think it's right of you to criticize someone about wanting to cut down on our ENORMOUS consumption rates. I personally think we need more politicans out there to lead the way into making the US a role model around the world.

ANd yes i do know why gas is so high, because we as a nation refuse to drill our own oil and continue to rely on other countries. And no i dont really care too much about gas prices because I do have enough money to pay for it, not that it should matter to you anyways


:sheep :faint :hopeless

Maybe YOU can pay for it, but a lot of people are struggling with it. It's a completely selfish way to think about "drilling our own oil" and "relying on other countries"


A lot of people are giving blood and marrow (I think it was that I read in the news) for money to help with gas. I know people who have sold some of their household items to help. Our economy is shit, people are drowning without enough money and it is all because of selfish pricks....*coughs*

A lot of people are giving blood and marrow (I think it was that I read in the news) for money to help with gas. I know people who have sold some of their household items to help. Our economy is shit, people are drowning without enough money and it is all because of selfish pricks....*coughs*

I read something about this too. It is so sad

:agree

And no i dont really care too much about gas prices because I do have enough money to pay for it, not that it should matter to you anyways

Oooh, I was gonna DUMP this thread and then I saw this.

Do you NOT have any idea how it is to live hand to mouth? While I wait for my Army paperwork to be filled out, I can't get a job, meaning my husband and I are SCREWED as far as money goes. We get MAYBE an extra 25$ A MONTH for gas. (FYI: we're on several money saving programs offered by the base; no advice pls) Keep in mind that we also have a 2 month old infant; when we use up the WIC checks (yay growth spurt...?), we have to buy formula at 4$ A CAN the size of a soup can.

What about the people here who are WORSE off? The ones that can't even make ends meet? Do you NOT care about them?! What about people who DON'T have decent healthcare? Or even a decent job? What about those who have to choose between a gallon of milk for the next week or a gallon of gas to get to work and back to keep that job, however crappy it is? It SUCKS to make that choice, trust me.

Sooo... since you have so much money, can I borrow some for gas?

Since you don't care about my situation, nor the situation of people worse off, then I really don't care about yours, nor your past.

wow maybe you should look at dates, because I dropped this quite awhile ago. I dont feel i made a mistake or that I am wrong in my thinking. ANd yes i do know why gas is so high, because we as a nation refuse to drill our own oil and continue to rely on other countries. And no i dont really care too much about gas prices because I do have enough money to pay for it, not that it should matter to you anyways

Do you drive a gas guzzler as well? Just out of curiousity

And no i dont really care too much about gas prices because I do have enough money to pay for it, not that it should matter to you anyways

How selfish.

Do you drive a gas guzzler as well? Just out of curiousity

we have a truck we fill up once a week and its about $100, then a car we fill up about once every two weeks for about $50

Oooh, I was gonna DUMP this thread and then I saw this.

Do you NOT have any idea how it is to live hand to mouth? While I wait for my Army paperwork to be filled out, I can't get a job, meaning my husband and I are SCREWED as far as money goes. We get MAYBE an extra 25$ A MONTH for gas. (FYI: we're on several money saving programs offered by the base; no advice pls) Keep in mind that we also have a 2 month old infant; when we use up the WIC checks (yay growth spurt...?), we have to buy formula at 4$ A CAN the size of a soup can.

What about the people here who are WORSE off? The ones that can't even make ends meet? Do you NOT care about them?! What about people who DON'T have decent healthcare? Or even a decent job? What about those who have to choose between a gallon of milk for the next week or a gallon of gas to get to work and back to keep that job, however crappy it is? It SUCKS to make that choice, trust me.
Sooo... since you have so much money, can I borrow some for gas?

Since you don't care about my situation, nor the situation of people worse off, then I really don't care about yours, nor your past.


:agree

we have a truck we fill up once a week and its about $100, then a car we fill up about once every two weeks for about $50

Figures.

wow maybe you should look at dates, because I dropped this quite awhile ago. I dont feel i made a mistake or that I am wrong in my thinking. ANd yes i do know why gas is so high, because we as a nation refuse to drill our own oil and continue to rely on other countries. And no i dont really care too much about gas prices because I do have enough money to pay for it, not that it should matter to you anyways

I know that it's been a few days. I've just been busy being a parent and not having my nose stuck up this site all day like normal. I've obviously also been outside hugging the pine trees in my backyard. This thread made me too mad to just dismiss it.

Oh so it's ok to kill off wildlife in Alaska just so we can have some more oil? When other countries (Chile for one) have found a much better way to make fuel? A cost efficient way? A way that we could easily do in our own backyard WITHOUT killing or harming anything? Have you been to Alaska and seen what a majestic place it is? I have. And it would break my heart to see it destroyed.

Also, oil is NOT replenishable. That is why America is now getting oil from other countries. WE RAN OUT of it in the states that used to drill oil. SOOOO OP lets say that we do drill oil in Alaska. You don't care that in 50-100 years when the oil runs out that your daughter and your grandchildren and their children will be in a far worse place than we are now? The oil in Alaska isn't enough for our greediness. I could care less how much money you have. We have money. Enough to buy this almost 4 dollar a gallon gas. It doesn't mean that I enjoy paying $50 to fill my gas tank when half of that money could be going to my DDs college fund.

Oooh, I was gonna DUMP this thread and then I saw this.

Do you NOT have any idea how it is to live hand to mouth? While I wait for my Army paperwork to be filled out, I can't get a job, meaning my husband and I are SCREWED as far as money goes. We get MAYBE an extra 25$ A MONTH for gas. (FYI: we're on several money saving programs offered by the base; no advice pls) Keep in mind that we also have a 2 month old infant; when we use up the WIC checks (yay growth spurt...?), we have to buy formula at 4$ A CAN the size of a soup can.

What about the people here who are WORSE off? The ones that can't even make ends meet? Do you NOT care about them?! What about people who DON'T have decent healthcare? Or even a decent job? What about those who have to choose between a gallon of milk for the next week or a gallon of gas to get to work and back to keep that job, however crappy it is? It SUCKS to make that choice, trust me.

Sooo... since you have so much money, can I borrow some for gas?

Since you don't care about my situation, nor the situation of people worse off, then I really don't care about yours, nor your past.

I completely agree. My husband got out of the military last August and because of mental health issues was and still is unable to work. If it weren't for his GRANDPARENTS we would have been on the street with NO money. We scrounged by and there was a time when people here on SOS took up a collection so that we could afford my husbands pills for his mental illness because there was no way we could have afforded it. And that with a child under 2 years. Good for you inmansgirl that YOU can afford it. If just everybody could say the same. Too many people can't. It really wouldn't hurt you to be less selfish and get out more and be less close minded

That statement about having the money makes me sick.

I too, can afford gas to go wherever I want and need to go. However, it is a nationwise burden, a nationwide problem. We need to lower consumption for environmental as well as economical reasons.

If I am going to drive to the mall, I check with my parents first to see if they need anything to save a trip, ride with my roommate to events and such rather than meeting up there, etc. There are ways to cut consumption and it is a disgrace that you are letting money be the only thing that dictates what you do. How selfish

I know that it's been a few days. I've just been busy being a parent and not having my nose stuck up this site all day like normal. I've obviously also been outside hugging the pine trees in my backyard. This thread made me too mad to just dismiss it.

Oh so it's ok to kill off wildlife in Alaska just so we can have some more oil? When other countries (Chile for one) have found a much better way to make fuel? A cost efficient way? A way that we could easily do in our own backyard WITHOUT killing or harming anything? Have you been to Alaska and seen what a majestic place it is? I have. And it would break my heart to see it destroyed.

Also, oil is NOT replenishable. That is why America is now getting oil from other countries. WE RAN OUT of it in the states that used to drill oil. SOOOO OP lets say that we do drill oil in Alaska. You don't care that in 50-100 years when the oil runs out that your daughter and your grandchildren and their children will be in a far worse place than we are now? The oil in Alaska isn't enough for our greediness. I could care less how much money you have. We have money. Enough to buy this almost 4 dollar a gallon gas. It doesn't mean that I enjoy paying $50 to fill my gas tank when half of that money could be going to my DDs college fund.

:agree

Do you not see that we are trying to make this world a better place because we care about our future children and their children??

I mean, if you're okay with having your kids and grandchildren walk around in gas masks because the air quality is so bad..that's fine with me.

But I'm NOT okay with that I'm going to do my part now to ensure that we take care of our planet so MY children aren't faced with these same problems.

I know that it's been a few days. I've just been busy being a parent and not having my nose stuck up this site all day like normal. I've obviously also been outside hugging the pine trees in my backyard. This thread made me too mad to just dismiss it.

Oh so it's ok to kill off wildlife in Alaska just so we can have some more oil? When other countries (Chile for one) have found a much better way to make fuel? A cost efficient way? A way that we could easily do in our own backyard WITHOUT killing or harming anything? Have you been to Alaska and seen what a majestic place it is? I have. And it would break my heart to see it destroyed.

Also, oil is NOT replenishable. That is why America is now getting oil from other countries. WE RAN OUT of it in the states that used to drill oil. SOOOO OP lets say that we do drill oil in Alaska. You don't care that in 50-100 years when the oil runs out that your daughter and your grandchildren and their children will be in a far worse place than we are now? The oil in Alaska isn't enough for our greediness. I could care less how much money you have. We have money. Enough to buy this almost 4 dollar a gallon gas. It doesn't mean that I enjoy paying $50 to fill my gas tank when half of that money could be going to my DDs college fund.

by the way ive been meaning to ask, how is your daughter doing?

Must be nice to be able to blow $600.00 a month on gas with no sweat. And since it's the summer, the prices are just going to continue to skyrocket, or at the very least, "top off" at about $4.00 a gallon nationwide, on average. Good for you for being able to fill up at the tank with no thought as to how it's raping your bank account.

The rest of us are not so lucky. And it still doesn't explain your cavalier attitude towards global warming and the environmental crisis we are experiencing. Must also be nice to go through the world with your head stuck up in the smog infested clouds and not have a care in the world about anything or anyone else.

That statement about having the money makes me sick.

I too, can afford gas to go wherever I want and need to go. However, it is a nationwise burden, a nationwide problem. We need to lower consumption for environmental as well as economical reasons.

If I am going to drive to the mall, I check with my parents first to see if they need anything to save a trip, ride with my roommate to events and such rather than meeting up there, etc. There are ways to cut consumption and it is a disgrace that you are letting money be the only thing that dictates what you do. How selfish

:agree

That statement about having the money makes me sick.

I too, can afford gas to go wherever I want and need to go. However, it is a nationwise burden, a nationwide problem. We need to lower consumption for environmental as well as economical reasons.

If I am going to drive to the mall, I check with my parents first to see if they need anything to save a trip, ride with my roommate to events and such rather than meeting up there, etc. There are ways to cut consumption and it is a disgrace that you are letting money be the only thing that dictates what you do. How selfish

i never said that money is the "only thing that dictates what i do"
She asked me a question and I answered it. Don't ask a question if you don't want the answer.

*by the way, im dropping this thread now because i feel like we are beating a dead horse*

Must be nice to be able to blow $600.00 a month on gas with no sweat. And since it's the summer, the prices are just going to continue to skyrocket, or at the very least, "top off" at about $4.00 a gallon nationwide, on average. Good for you for being able to fill up at the tank with no thought as to how it's raping your bank account.

The rest of us are not so lucky. And it still doesn't explain your cavalier attitude towards global warming and the environmental crisis we are experiencing. Must also be nice to go through the world with your head stuck up in the smog infested clouds and not have a care in the world about anything or anyone else.

:rofl

I agree to that as well. I'm not even going to get to see my DB as much because Airline tickets are way more expensive to accomodate for rising fuel costs and it is just TOO expensive for him or me to drive.

I saw him once this past weekend, and I will probably see him once more before he leaves for 15 months.

i never said that money is the "only thing that dictates what i do"
She asked me a question and I answered it. Don't ask a question if you don't want the answer.

*by the way, im dropping this thread now because i feel like we are beating a dead horse*

She asked if you drove a gas guzzler. She didn't ask how much money you blow weekly on gas.

Dropping your own thread? :jerkit

by the way ive been meaning to ask, how is your daughter doing?

She is amazing, blows my mind. How is yours? I saw her head full of hair. Adorable.

She is amazing, blows my mind. How is yours? I saw her head full of hair. Adorable.

She is doing great, doesnt sleep much a night, which i could deal without, haha. But my mom and dad are down visiting so they are taking her at night and letting me sleep! We should do a play date!

She asked if you drove a gas guzzler. She didn't ask how much money you blow weekly on gas.

Dropping your own thread? :jerkit

yeah being attacked is only so much fun

yeah being attacked is only so much fun

People were asking you questions...most of which you weren't even answering. Oh well. I guess I'm talking to myself since...you dropped the thread.

Oh and that last part, wouldn't be an attack, it is what we call s-a-r-c-a-s-m.

:rofl

I agree to that as well. I'm not even going to get to see my DB as much because Airline tickets are way more expensive to accomodate for rising fuel costs and it is just TOO expensive for him or me to drive.

I saw him once this past weekend, and I will probably see him once more before he leaves for 15 months.

Have you thought about taking the train? I've done train and bus to see my mother in law three hours away and my grandmother in Chicago...

www.amtrak.com

I think you can get some good deals if you can deal with possible inconveniences. Amtrak and Greyhound usually have the same stations or within a little bit of each other.

Give it a shot :D Since I may not be able to afford to drive cross country, I might be able to take the train and have my car shipped.

pmed u