I just came across a woman on a pregnancy message board talking about her two previous births. First one had complications, her DD never descended after pushing for 5 hrs, she ended up needing a C-section. And then with #2 she chose to have a PLANNED HOMEBIRTH!!! Why would you risk that after having complications in delivery before? Anyway, she had complications again and her second child ended up with CP. So sad. :no

she obviously doesn't have two brain cells to rub together...

Why on earth would you do that? Of course I don't understand why anyone chooses to have babies out of hospitals these days. I want all the medical professionals I can have at my disposal if anything is wrong with my baby. You never know if something will go wrong at the last minute.

Maybe she felt she would be able to do it this time. I am not really sure why a midwife would agree to deliver her at home with the prior complications but I know nothing about that.

Trying to do a vbac is one thing.. but a planned homebirth is just stupid :no

That kind of comes across as a selfish thing to do..

That kind of comes across as a selfish thing to do..


I agree.

WOW.. I'm baffled as to why someone who's had a previous C would even chance a homebirth... Things can go downhill so quickly, there's no way I'd deliver anywhere other than a hospital/birthing center.

some people think that they have complications because they went to a hospital.. like my "friend" really just an aquaintance honestly believes that a nurse at the hospital broke her water by just looking to see if she was dialated and its all her fault that her baby was born 4 weeks early.. never mind the fact that she was leaking and bleeding and thats why they went to the hospital in the first place

some people just don't get it.. that's so sad though..

Um, I don't have any kids so I obviously haven't been through childbirth much less a complicated one and I wouldn't be that foolish.

Trying to do a vbac is one thing.. but a planned homebirth is just stupid :no

Totally agree!
Wtf was she on when she made that decision?!

The REAL problem is the midwife who didn't educate her on the situation and LET her give birth at home.

You can't blame someone for being ignorant if no one took the time to EDUCATE her.

sounds like an ER i watched where the woman in labor refused to have a c-section whenever she was repeatedly told she needed one and the baby ended up getting deprived of oxygen and suffered major brain damage. some mothers just can't get past their own wants and desires to see that it could perhaps harm their child during childbirth...it's a sad thing.

Just because someone had a previous C-section does not mean they are broke. If the midwife felt she was safe then who are we to say someone is selfish or uneducated. Things do happen and the mom will have to live with her baby having issues BUT things happen at hospitals too.

If my insurance would pay for it, I would have a homebirth as well.

wow, I'm just speechless..

Just because someone had a previous C-section does not mean they are broke. If the midwife felt she was safe then who are we to say someone is selfish or uneducated. Things do happen and the mom will have to live with her baby having issues BUT things happen at hospitals too.

If my insurance would pay for it, I would have a homebirth as well.

:yes I knew you'd be here to reply with what I was feeling but in a more understandable manner! :hugs

I don't think i'd be able to do that.

I had some pretty serious complications during labor with my son, so it ended in an emergency c-section. The risks are just too great so I plan on a hospital birth again whenever we have baby #2.

Generally the only thing that goes wrong with VBAC is uterine rupture. And there is a 1% chance of that. Her complications had nothing to do with her previous C/S, so I'm not really seeing what the issue is here.

:yes I knew you'd be here to reply with what I was feeling but in a more understandable manner! :hugs

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Trying to do a vbac is one thing.. but a planned homebirth is just stupid :no

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Generally the only thing that goes wrong with VBAC is uterine rupture. And there is a 1% chance of that. Her complications had nothing to do with her previous C/S, so I'm not really seeing what the issue is here.

The issue is she pushed for 5 hours with her first child and ended up needing a section. She had to assume that the same thing might happen again. But she chose to deliver at home, where a C-section wasn't an option. IMO that is rediculously stupid.

Just because someone had a previous C-section does not mean they are broke. If the midwife felt she was safe then who are we to say someone is selfish or uneducated. Things do happen and the mom will have to live with her baby having issues BUT things happen at hospitals too.

If my insurance would pay for it, I would have a homebirth as well.

But would you make that choice after pushing with your first child for 5 hours only to find out that he/she wouldn't fit? Not always, but generally, subsequent babies are bigger, which would make delivery even more difficult I would think. :dunno

I pushed for 7 hours with Nora, only to get no where and require a C/S. I believe that part of the reason was that in the hospital i was forced to stay in bed on my back, I was not allowed to walk around and let gravity help me out, let my hips open up more.

I had a VBAC with Katie, not a complication in sight. I stayed at home until my water broke. I walked around, I sat in the tub, I tried to stay relaxed and focused. When I got to the hospital the woman in the room next to me was on baby #6. Everyone KNEW she would give birth before I did, because she was on baby 6 and I didn't have a "proven pelvis" Well 4 hours and 3 pushes later Katie came flying out!

More often than not FTP is a sign of how a woman is allowed to labor rather than her bodies ability to give birth.

I pushed for 7 hours with Nora, only to get no where and require a C/S. I believe that part of the reason was that in the hospital i was forced to stay in bed on my back, I was not allowed to walk around and let gravity help me out, let my hips open up more.

I had a VBAC with Katie, not a complication in sight. I stayed at home until my water broke. I walked around, I sat in the tub, I tried to stay relaxed and focused. When I got to the hospital the woman in the room next to me was on baby #6. Everyone KNEW she would give birth before I did, because she was on baby 6 and I didn't have a "proven pelvis" Well 4 hours and 3 pushes later Katie came flying out!

More often than not FTP is a sign of how a woman is allowed to labor rather than her bodies ability to give birth.

And I absolutey agree with you here! But with that knowledge I still would've delivered in a hospital and I would have told them how I was going to labour. I would have walked around and sat on a ball and all of that, but I would've been in the hospital in just in case.

UM EVEN DUMBER:
a woman asking if it would be OKAY to use her tanning package while prego!

And I absolutey agree with you here! But with that knowledge I still would've delivered in a hospital and I would have told them how I was going to labour. I would have walked around and sat on a ball and all of that, but I would've been in the hospital in just in case.

Lots of hospitals (like the one where I gave birth to Nora) WILL NOT give you a choice about how you labor. You are put in a bed and catheterized when you get there. And lots of times, especially for a first time mom, women don't know that they DO have options. They just go alone with what doctors and nurses say because they assume that they know what is best for them.

Most of the time a woman's body knows what is best for her, but when you have a guy, who can NEVER understand what your body is feeling, who went to college for seven years telling you that you are wrong it can be very easy to feel small, and stupid, an inadequate.

If I had not been given the chance to have a VBAC at Balboa I would have had a home birth. I think it all goes back to people's experiences. I had a horrendous experience with Nora's birth. It was painful, traumatic, and it made me feel like a failure. I could not imagine putting myself and my child through that again. It has very little to do with being "selfish". It has to do more with what YOU (as a mom) feel is better for you and your baby. And for me having another C/S would have been devastating, and after my research quite possibly MORE dangerous than a vaginal birth.

Lots of hospitals (like the one where I gave birth to Nora) WILL NOT give you a choice about how you labor. You are put in a bed and catheterized when you get there. And lots of times, especially for a first time mom, women don't know that they DO have options. They just go alone with what doctors and nurses say because they assume that they know what is best for them.

Most of the time a woman's body knows what is best for her, but when you have a guy, who can NEVER understand what your body is feeling, who went to college for seven years telling you that you are wrong it can be very easy to feel small, and stupid, an inadequate.

If I had not been given the chance to have a VBAC at Balboa I would have had a home birth. I think it all goes back to people's experiences. I had a horrendous experience with Nora's birth. It was painful, traumatic, and it made me feel like a failure. I could not imagine putting myself and my child through that again. It has very little to do with being "selfish". It has to do more with what YOU (as a mom) feel is better for you and your baby. And for me having another C/S would have been devastating, and after my research quite possibly MORE dangerous than a vaginal birth.

Then I would've found a hospital that would allow me to labour how I wanted. Or if that wasnt an option I would've told the nurses to kiss my ass when they told me to get in the bed. :lol They can't physically force you into the bed.

And just for the record I never said it was selfish.

Then I would've found a hospital that would allow me to labour how I wanted. Or if that wasnt an option I would've told the nurses to kiss my ass when they told me to get in the bed. :lol They can't physically force you into the bed.

And just for the record I never said it was selfish.

I know you didn't, but someone or two did, I can't remember. It can be a PITA to find a hospital that will let you. Your insurance company can stop you from having a VBAC too. I was just super lucky that Balboa in SD was open to it.

Even though I was allowed to try I was told by everyone except my doctor that I wouldn't be able to do it. I had to have a meeting with the head of Obstetrics so that she could tell me that it was pointless for me to try, and that she thought I was silly for wanting to.

But I went into that meeting armed with months of research and facts that I had done and she could deny none of it. The fact of the matter is that in most cases hospitals want you in and out of the bed and a 23 hour labor gets in the way of that, so it's just easier for them to say "OH look, FTP time to cut you open."

To me how you choose to birth is one of those very personal parenting type decisions that only your family can make for itself. I see women who have had multiple scheduled C/S and I don't think any less of them because it's how they choose to birth their child.

I think a lot about home birth is misunderstood as well. There are usually doctors on call as "back-ups", a plan in place for transfer to the hospital, and midwives are highly trained and experienced in their area of expertise. I would rather have a midwife attend me than a doctor for the simple reason that doctors rarely get to see a normal birth, so when they DO see one they almost don't know what to do.

OK I'm going to stop ranting now, this is just a subject that I am VERY passionate about, for obvious reasons.

I know you didn't, but someone or two did, I can't remember. It can be a PITA to find a hospital that will let you. Your insurance company can stop you from having a VBAC too. I was just super lucky that Balboa in SD was open to it.

Even though I was allowed to try I was told by everyone except my doctor that I wouldn't be able to do it. I had to have a meeting with the head of Obstetrics so that she could tell me that it was pointless for me to try, and that she thought I was silly for wanting to.

But I went into that meeting armed with months of research and facts that I had done and she could deny none of it. The fact of the matter is that in most cases hospitals want you in and out of the bed and a 23 hour labor gets in the way of that, so it's just easier for them to say "OH look, FTP time to cut you open."

To me how you choose to birth is one of those very personal parenting type decisions that only your family can make for itself. I see women who have had multiple scheduled C/S and I don't think any less of them because it's how they choose to birth their child.

I think a lot about home birth is misunderstood as well. There are usually doctors on call as "back-ups", a plan in place for transfer to the hospital, and midwives are highly trained and experienced in their area of expertise. I would rather have a midwife attend me than a doctor for the simple reason that doctors rarely get to see a normal birth, so when they DO see one they almost don't know what to do.

OK I'm going to stop ranting now, this is just a subject that I am VERY passionate about, for obvious reasons.

I actually totally agree with you on everything except for your view on her circumstances. I think that VBACs should always be an option if there isn't a medical reason that severely advises against it. And if I could get Tricare to pay for it, I would've delivered the baby I am carrying at home! The closest I could get is a midwife assisted delivery at hospital.

Just because someone had a previous C-section does not mean they are broke. If the midwife felt she was safe then who are we to say someone is selfish or uneducated. Things do happen and the mom will have to live with her baby having issues BUT things happen at hospitals too.

If my insurance would pay for it, I would have a homebirth as well.

Yep. I really don't like the "homebirth = evil dirty horrible mother" trend I see here. VBACs can be safe at home, it really depends on the reason for the c/s and how close you are to a hospital.

I'm hoping for a birthing center. Less interventions = better, in my book. I am a VBAC, so I don't know if it's possible.

But would you make that choice after pushing with your first child for 5 hours only to find out that he/she wouldn't fit? Not always, but generally, subsequent babies are bigger, which would make delivery even more difficult I would think. :dunno

My question would be, did they try different positions? In a hospital, I doubt it. My third son got a little stuck on the way out, instead of suggesting to switch positions the dr said to get help and the nurse pushed on my stomach. Immediately he was out. A simple changing in position could be all that's necessary.

My question would be, did they try different positions? In a hospital, I doubt it. My third son got a little stuck on the way out, instead of suggesting to switch positions the dr said to get help and the nurse pushed on my stomach. Immediately he was out. A simple changing in position could be all that's necessary.

I don't know. But even if they hadn't, how would you know that definitely would've changed the outcome. I wouldn't risk it. I am a pushy person, and if I felt that another csection wasn't necessary I would've been in the hospital, but labouring how I wanted, whether they liked it or not. And I would've changed positions while pushing too.

That's what I did with my VBAC (Except birthing position, when I was pushing I was so focused that the thought of changing positions just didn't enter my mind.) and I'd like to go the birthing center this time. I don't think someone choosing to birth at home is stupid, you don't know the specifics of their birth and just because they ended up in the hospital again isn't bad. At least they knew when to go in.

That's what I did with my VBAC (Except birthing position, when I was pushing I was so focused that the thought of changing positions just didn't enter my mind.) and I'd like to go the birthing center this time. I don't think someone choosing to birth at home is stupid, you don't know the specifics of their birth and just because they ended up in the hospital again isn't bad. At least they knew when to go in.

She didn't go in. She delivered at home after having the same complications as the first time and her DS ended up with CP.

She didn't go in. She delivered at home after having the same complications as the first time and her DS ended up with CP.

So if she had delivery at the hospital the child would not have CP?

So if she had delivery at the hospital the child would not have CP?

And how do you 100% know this? Do you know every little detail of her birth? And I apologize for mis-reading. I just really hate when people sit there and say how dangerous home birth is. Giving birth at home, with the proper care, is statistically safer than in the hospital. At least at home the caregiver has only ONE laboring mom to watch. At least at home there is less chances of infection and intervention.

I believe in choice for birth. At least at home/birthing center you're less likely to get an unnecessary c-section. Which happens too often.

I gave birth at home in water. I dont feel that a baby not decending is a huge complication that means you are now going to face horrible birth every other time. I think home birth is safer.

Edited to add: There is not way to know for one, that the cp was cause during the birth. And two, that the cp was a direct link to the homebirth.

I can see how she could hold feelings against the hospital. They will give just about anyone a c-section if that means getting you out of their sight ASAP and not having do deal with you while in labor. It makes me want to scream. No two pregnancies are alike unless it is the mom that has an illness. I can't really say I blame her.

And how do you 100% know this? Do you know every little detail of her birth? And I apologize for mis-reading. I just really hate when people sit there and say how dangerous home birth is. Giving birth at home, with the proper care, is statistically safer than in the hospital. At least at home the caregiver has only ONE laboring mom to watch. At least at home there is less chances of infection and intervention.

I believe in choice for birth. At least at home/birthing center you're less likely to get an unnecessary c-section. Which happens too often.

I was asking the girls that were against homebirths. They made it sound that because the baby was born at home it was born with CP as if the baby was born in the hospital it would have been 100% healthy. I am all about choices and my birth plan reflects that.

Oh, no! I knew you were asking her/them, I was just adding to your question. Sorry for the misunderstanding.