http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/107994.php



Infant Primates Given Vaccines On U.S. Children's Immunization Schedule Develop Biomedical And Behavioral Symptoms Of Autism

A primate model for autism using the U.S. children's immunization schedule was unveiled at the International Meeting For Autism Research (IMFAR) this weekend. The research underscores the critical need for studies into vaccine safety and the immune and mitochondrial dysfunction of autistic children. The National Autism Association (NAA) questions why the government hasn't undertaken these vital studies and why researchers have had to depend on private money to perform this critical science that will surely impact the health of millions of children worldwide.

Using infant macaque monkeys, University of Pittsburgh's Dr. Laura Hewitson, Ph.D., described how vaccinated animals, when compared to unvaccinated animals, showed significant neurodevelopmental deficits and "significant associations between specific aberrant social and non-social behaviors, isotope binding, and vaccine exposure."

Researchers also reported, "vaccinated animals exhibited progressively severe chronic active inflammation whereas unexposed animals did not" and found "many significant differences in the GI tissue gene expression profiles between vaccinated and unvaccinated animals." Gastrointestinal issues are a common symptom of children with regressive autism.

NAA calls for the NIH to conduct large scale, non-epidemiological studies into the biomedical symptoms surrounding young children and all vaccines, including those containing the mercury-based preservative thimerosal and other additives like aluminum.

This request for further research echoes that of Dr. Bernadine Healy, Former NIH Director in a CBS interview earlier this week. "I think public health officials have been too quick to dismiss the hypothesis as 'irrational,' without sufficient studies of causation...without studying the population that got sick," Healy said. "I have not seen major studies that focus on 300 kids who got autistic symptoms within a period of a few weeks of the vaccines."

Recently the government's vaccine court conceded the case of Hannah Poling, admitting that vaccines triggered her regression into autism by exacerbating mitochondrial dysfunction. "The recent Poling case and this new research provide further evidence that the CDC has fallen down on their job to protect children from harm. The biomedical research to date suggests that parental reports of regression following vaccination is not only plausible, but likely in certain individuals," said Scott Bono, NAA Chairman. "To date, the CDC has conducted no safety testing on the possible harmful effects of simultaneously administering multiple vaccines to infants, and has steadfastly refused to state a preference for mercury-free vaccines to be given to children and pregnant women. It's time for HHS and Congress to step in and take vaccine safety away from the CDC."

On June 4th, parents of vaccine-injured children will rally for toxin-free immunizations in Washington, DC. For more information about the "Green Our Vaccines" rally or the new primate study visit http://www.nationalautism.org.

National Autism Association
http://www.nationalautism.org

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Very interesting!

correct me if im wrong...but isnt this a concern with children as well..but they didnt have scientific proof ...well this may be the proof they needed

i say bs

correct me if im wrong...but isnt this a concern with children as well..but they didnt have scientific proof ...well this may be the proof they needed


lol that would be why she posted it... ;)

lol that would be why she posted it... ;)


oh ok...forgive me its finals week my brain is on overload:D

also i didnt read the article...i just read the title...im dumb oh well now you all know it:P

Yet another reason to be SO GLAD we are delaying vax. My child is displaying behavioral and emotional inconsistencies and we are taking no chances.

I'm always keeping my eyes and ears peeled for a new bit of research, but hadn't seen this. Thank you for posting!

i say bs

What part of the article was made up? :puzz

I think all of this talk about vaccines being the cause of Autism is a stretch and yeah I am probably gonna get flamed, but think about it.. ALL of us were immunized, right and honestly in our generations there really are not tons and tons of cases if Autism. Yet with our children there are how many children being diagnosed with it?? Hundreds if not more a day... TO ME it seems like there is something else, though I am really not sure what it COULD be, that is causing it

I think all of this talk about vaccines being the cause of Autism is a stretch and yeah I am probably gonna get flamed, but think about it.. ALL of us were immunized, right and honestly in our generations there really are not tons and tons of cases if Autism. Yet with our children there are how many children being diagnosed with it?? Hundreds if not more a day... TO ME it seems like there is something else, though I am really not sure what it COULD be, that is causing it

You bring up a valid point.

The issue is, though-they can't rule OUT the vaccinations, so they are being looked at as a possible risk factor. A lot of the vaccines we have today didn't exist when we were babies-the combined vax shots, for instance.

I honestly don't know what to think, that's why I'm being extra cautious with Liam. I do hope for the best of course because vaccinations save lives...but waiting to see more data.

Very very interesting! I'd like to forward a copy to ds's pediatrician who basically called me incompetent when I decided to delay his vaccinations.

:edit And I agree with Loretta above me. For all those who say well they haven't proven that there is a link, it also hasn't been proven that there is no link. I definitely think they need to do a lot more research and it's really sad when the health of our children isn't taken more seriously.

You bring up a valid point.

The issue is, though-they can't rule OUT the vaccinations, so they are being looked at as a possible risk factor. A lot of the vaccines we have today didn't exist when we were babies-the combined vax shots, for instance.

I honestly don't know what to think, that's why I'm being extra cautious with Liam. I do hope for the best of course because vaccinations save lives...but waiting to see more data.

yeah I can see where you are coming from when you put it like that..
I don't know there is just so much what-if and who to believe .. but I TOTALLY respect your decision to delay..

yeah I can see where you are coming from when you put it like that..
I don't know there is just so much what-if and who to believe .. but I TOTALLY respect your decision to delay..


I agree...it's a tough decision to make without having all the facts.

Of course you do, you're awesome:yes We have disagreed on a ton of issues, but the respect is always there. :chest

I think it is very much possible that vaxx'ing could be the cause of autism. I would think that injecting anything foreign into one's body would eventually have some type of problem.

Unfortunately we do vax DS but it is delayed and selective.

:freakout
just another reason i'm glad i don't have kids... idk what i would do.

are they any vaccinations you just *must* get? idk... clue me in. :lol
and how do you people suddenly know this when you have kids?? aaaaaaah. :freakout :lol i know if i were to get/be pregnant right now i'd be just as clueless as if i wasn't.. :suspect

I think all of this talk about vaccines being the cause of Autism is a stretch and yeah I am probably gonna get flamed, but think about it.. ALL of us were immunized, right and honestly in our generations there really are not tons and tons of cases if Autism. Yet with our children there are how many children being diagnosed with it?? Hundreds if not more a day... TO ME it seems like there is something else, though I am really not sure what it COULD be, that is causing it

I agree with this. Additionally, how many kids have autism that WERE NOT vaccinated? If the vaccines are "the link" between the two, why do kids have it who were not vaccinated?

I know a lot of parents are desperate for the truth and I do hope that one day we will find out what the cause really is, but I don't personally feel that vaccines are THE cause. Even if they might bring out symptoms of autism that was already there (maybe dormant symptoms or something), I think the autism would rear it's head regardless... whether it was a vaccine or an illness or something else. I think kids who are autistic will be autistic with or without vaccinations.

I agree with this. Additionally, how many kids have autism that WERE NOT vaccinated? If the vaccines are "the link" between the two, why do kids have it who were not vaccinated?

I know a lot of parents are desperate for the truth and I do hope that one day we will find out what the cause really is, but I don't personally feel that vaccines are THE cause. Even if they might bring out symptoms of autism that was already there (maybe dormant symptoms or something), I think the autism would rear it's head regardless... whether it was a vaccine or an illness or something else. I think kids who are autistic will be autistic with or without vaccinations.

:agree

LOL @ the primate testing.

Gee - if you're going to test on animals then wouldn't it makes sense to test BEFORE you inject the drugs in question to millions of kids over the years?
Seems like this was pointless and just restating what a lot of us felt and knew after all these years - immunizations can cause autism.

So the only actual point to this was that it was done in a controlled environment.

Gee - how convivial.

I think all of this talk about vaccines being the cause of Autism is a stretch and yeah I am probably gonna get flamed, but think about it.. ALL of us were immunized, right and honestly in our generations there really are not tons and tons of cases if Autism. Yet with our children there are how many children being diagnosed with it?? Hundreds if not more a day... TO ME it seems like there is something else, though I am really not sure what it COULD be, that is causing it

No the VAX are not the same as they are today and not only that but they get more of them.

(I googled because I don't have my baby shot record handy) this is what an average infant born in 1978 had for a vax schedule:
Polio (not sure if OPV or IPV): 2 months, 4 months, 6 months
DPT: 4 months, 5 months, 6 months - Boosters at 18 months and 4 years
MMR: 18 months
HIB: 5 1/2 years


This is the current VAX schedule:
Birth
* Hep B: Hepatitis B vaccine; may be given at any age for those not previously immunized.

1–4 months
*Hep B: Second dose should be administered 1 to 2 months after the first dose. If the first dose of Hep B vaccine is not given until a child is 2 months old, the second will be given when the child is 3 to 4 months old.

2 months
* DTaP: Diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis vaccine
* Hib: Haemophilus influenzae type b vaccine
* IPV: Inactivated poliovirus vaccine
* PCV: Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine
* RV: Rotavirus vaccine, recommended for infants at 2, 4, and 6 months of age

4 months
* DTaP
* Hib
* IPV
* PCV
* RV

>6 months and annually
* Influenza.

6 months
* DTaP
* Hib
* PCV
* RV

6–18 months
* Hep B
* IPV

12–15 months
* Hib
* MMR: Measles, mumps, and rubella (German measles) vaccine
* PCV
* Var: Varicella (chickenpox) vaccine; may be given at any visit after first birthday. A second dose should be given between 4 and 6 years of age.

12–23 months
* Hep A: Hepatitis A vaccine; recommended for kids 12–23 months old, given as two shots at least 6 months apart

15–18 months
* DTaP

4–6 years
* DTaP
* MMR
* IPV
* Var

11–12 years
* HPV: The AAP recommends the vaccine to prevent the human papillomavirus (HPV) be given to girls 11–12 years old, in addition to a catch-up immunization for girls ages 13–18. The vaccine prevents most cases of genital warts and cervical cancer.
* Tdap: Tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis booster
* MCV: Meningitis vaccine; recommended for kids at age 11 years, and for kids age 15 who haven't had the vaccine or are entering high school, whichever comes first. Also recommended for kids age 11 or older with a chronic illness or HIV or traveling to countries where meningitis is common. Also recommended for college entrants who plan to live in dormitories.

College entrants
* MCV4: Meningitis vaccine; recommended for previously unvaccinated college entrants who will live in dormitories.

http://www.cispimmunize.org/IZSchedule_Childhood.pdf

I think the point of this research study is that much more research needs to be done.

I think all of this talk about vaccines being the cause of Autism is a stretch and yeah I am probably gonna get flamed, but think about it.. ALL of us were immunized, right and honestly in our generations there really are not tons and tons of cases if Autism. Yet with our children there are how many children being diagnosed with it?? Hundreds if not more a day... TO ME it seems like there is something else, though I am really not sure what it COULD be, that is causing it

I agree... it seems plausible to me that it could be some sort of change in the enviornment or something else that could be triggering it.

That being said, DD has had every Vax and is totally normal.. and way above average with speech and other things.

I agree with this. Additionally, how many kids have autism that WERE NOT vaccinated? If the vaccines are "the link" between the two, why do kids have it who were not vaccinated?

I know a lot of parents are desperate for the truth and I do hope that one day we will find out what the cause really is, but I don't personally feel that vaccines are THE cause. Even if they might bring out symptoms of autism that was already there (maybe dormant symptoms or something), I think the autism would rear it's head regardless... whether it was a vaccine or an illness or something else. I think kids who are autistic will be autistic with or without vaccinations.

I partially agree with this. I think that a lot of the researchers have the thought that autism is genetic and something "brings it out" and that the chemicals in the shots or the shots themselves react and BAM, there's autism. I do see how much organic foods and natural things help Riley, so I can see a lot of truth to your statement.

BUT, what I am confused about... is is autism is in fact genetic, how did monkeys get it? And have they studied them enough to know if there were any "autistic" traits in them before these studies without the vaccines?

And to Janet's statement... autism went undiagnosed for many many years. So it's not necessarily that more children are getting autism now, it's that we didnt know enough about it in the past to properly diagnose those children. Even the progress they have made in the last 5-10 years is amazing.... My brother (who is 15 now) was diagnosed as mentally retarded when he was 5 and it took three years to get that. Then finally after that they realized it was autism.

Either way, this is all really interesting and makes me feel good about our decision to delay shots for our son.

I partially agree with this. I think that a lot of the researchers have the thought that autism is genetic and something "brings it out" and that the chemicals in the shots or the shots themselves react and BAM, there's autism. I do see how much organic foods and natural things help Riley, so I can see a lot of truth to your statement.

BUT, what I am confused about... is is autism is in fact genetic, how did monkeys get it? And have they studied them enough to know if there were any "autistic" traits in them before these studies without the vaccines?

And to Janet's statement... autism went undiagnosed for many many years. So it's not necessarily that more children are getting autism now, it's that we didnt know enough about it in the past to properly diagnose those children. Even the progress they have made in the last 5-10 years is amazing.... My brother (who is 15 now) was diagnosed as mentally retarded when he was 5 and it took three years to get that. Then finally after that they realized it was autism.

Either way, this is all really interesting and makes me feel good about our decision to delay shots for our son.

Do you believe in evolution? Don't we share some DNA with monkeys? I think we do, but I'm not totally sure about that :lol But maybe since monkeys have the most similar DNA to ours, that's why they tested the monkeys. And maybe some monkeys outside of these experiments do have "Autism" or at least some autistic symptoms... we just never know about it b/c they are in the wild, not in a controlled environment.

What I'd like to also say is that I think it's completely plausible to me that a lot of people prior to this new generation (our grandparents, their grandparents, etc) DO have autism, we just didn't have the science or technology to know about it. How many old people do you know that seem like they really COULD have signs of autism? But unlike today's generation, it wasn't as normal or okay to be different in that aspect, they didn't have nurturing parents who allowed them to develop when they were ready... they may have been pushed and pushed and pushed to the extreme and FORCED to socialize and FORCED to make eye contact and so maybe they never really had the chance to be diagnosed with "autism" like kids are today. KWIM?

I don't think autism just popped up out of nowhere, I do think it's existed for a very long time, we just didn't have a name for it and didn't have the means to research it like we do know. So, these kids were maybe just looked at as "Retarded" or "shy" or "weird" b/c no one knew any different... just like the other illnesses out there that people were clueless about many decades ago... bipolar, even depression. You know? It seems like only in the last 20 years or so has medical research just went through the ROOF with new discoveries and explanations for things.

And to Janet's statement... autism went undiagnosed for many many years. So it's not necessarily that more children are getting autism now, it's that we didnt know enough about it in the past to properly diagnose those children. Even the progress they have made in the last 5-10 years is amazing.... My brother (who is 15 now) was diagnosed as mentally retarded when he was 5 and it took three years to get that. Then finally after that they realized it was autism.

Either way, this is all really interesting and makes me feel good about our decision to delay shots for our son.

and DUUUUUUUUUUUH. I feel stupid now. I didn't even read this last paragraph before my tangent in the last post :lmao Great minds think alike though. :teehee

The thing to keep in mind with any study like this: All humans have different genetics, different brain and body chemistry, and different mental capabilities. When you have 2 sides, the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle. That concept ESPECIALLY applies to the 'cause of autism' debate.

Sometimes it's genetic, sometimes it's chance, sometimes it's set off by something.

Also, I would like to say that if you've ever heard people talk about their relative who was 'slow' or 'strange' or 'a little off' those people if born nowadays would be AUTISTIC. It's not that it 'didn't happen before,' it just wasn't diagnosed to the extent that it is now. Not to mention simple math tells you that the population increase means that there are more people now TO diagnose.

Common sense and an open mind. That's all you need to understand there's not a right or wrong in this case.

Do you believe in evolution? Don't we share some DNA with monkeys? I think we do, but I'm not totally sure about that :lol But maybe since monkeys have the most similar DNA to ours, that's why they tested the monkeys. And maybe some monkeys outside of these experiments do have "Autism" or at least some autistic symptoms... we just never know about it b/c they are in the wild, not in a controlled environment.

What I'd like to also say is that I think it's completely plausible to me that a lot of people prior to this new generation (our grandparents, their grandparents, etc) DO have autism, we just didn't have the science or technology to know about it. How many old people do you know that seem like they really COULD have signs of autism? But unlike today's generation, it wasn't as normal or okay to be different in that aspect, they didn't have nurturing parents who allowed them to develop when they were ready... they may have been pushed and pushed and pushed to the extreme and FORCED to socialize and FORCED to make eye contact and so maybe they never really had the chance to be diagnosed with "autism" like kids are today. KWIM?

I don't think autism just popped up out of nowhere, I do think it's existed for a very long time, we just didn't have a name for it and didn't have the means to research it like we do know. So, these kids were maybe just looked at as "Retarded" or "shy" or "weird" b/c no one knew any different... just like the other illnesses out there that people were clueless about many decades ago... bipolar, even depression. You know? It seems like only in the last 20 years or so has medical research just went through the ROOF with new discoveries and explanations for things.

I definitely believe in evolution and that's why this study is so interesting to me. I just wonder if there were any "autistic" monkeys or ones that showed autistic traits before.

And your last statement is so true! My great grandmother was hospitalized in a psych ward her entire life and looking back now, the doctors think she had bipolar disorder. It's all very strange and all the new technology and research is always going to lead to more ideas like this. Whether or not it's the reason, I agree with Aubrey that more testing needs to be done! Whether or not the shots cause autism, I don't think that any parent (vaccinating parent or not) would be opposed to higher standards for the ingredients, testing and research of vaccines. :)

That article was very interesting; I think it's great they're doing more research on this. :)

I don't know if I believe that vaccines can trigger autism or not. Before Jax was 18 months old, he was able to speak about 20 words, he made great eye contact, didn't stim, and had no autistic tendencies that we ever noticed. Shortly after he got his shots at almost 20 months, he developed a fever which the doctor said was to be expected. Within the following two weeks, he lost his ability to communicate, (both verbally and nonverbally) he stopped making eye contact with us, he started "stimming" and regressed into a totally different child.

It's easy for me to assume that perhaps Jaxon was genetically predispositioned to autism, and something in the shots triggered it, but the truth is I have no idea, his doctors and therapists have no idea, and I don't know if we'll ever know why he regressed so much. But I do think it is wonderful that they are taking closer looks at vaccines. Thanks for posting this article! :)

and DUUUUUUUUUUUH. I feel stupid now. I didn't even read this last paragraph before my tangent in the last post :lmao Great minds think alike though. :teehee

:roflmao I just though you were reiterating what I said! :teehee :wink :moon

:five

That article was very interesting; I think it's great they're doing more research on this. :)

I don't know if I believe that vaccines can trigger autism or not. Before Jax was 18 months old, he was able to speak about 20 words, he made great eye contact, didn't stim, and had no autistic tendencies that we ever noticed. Shortly after he got his shots at almost 20 months, he developed a fever which the doctor said was to be expected. Within the following two weeks, he lost his ability to communicate, (both verbally and nonverbally) he stopped making eye contact with us, he started "stimming" and regressed into a totally different child.

It's easy for me to assume that perhaps Jaxon was genetically predispositioned to autism, and something in the shots triggered it, but the truth is I have no idea, his doctors and therapists have no idea, and I don't know if we'll ever know why he regressed so much. But I do think it is wonderful that they are taking closer looks at vaccines. Thanks for posting this article! :)

Oh. My. God. Your son's name is JAXON too? :eek :faint :faint :faint I can not believe it. Another Jaxon! :wow

My sister has done a lot of research and attended conferences on this topic. She's sent me some info., some of which I haven't had the chance to go through yet. But, you'd be shocked to see what is in the immunizations people are given. There seems to be very clear scientific evidence (including studies in addition to the one quoted in this thread) that immunizations DO cause autism and other types of problems such as ADHD which are on the rise. I now believe that this is what caused my son's severe problems. If I have any more children, I don't want to have them immunized...or at least not get all of the immunizations.

excellent article! We dont vax and that is one of the reason (we have many more). I just hope this open some eyes and let them know they have choices.

:dunno

I had a crap load of Vax when I was baby and I think I turned out okay. I mean...I'm not autistic.

Think of all the crap they pump into our guys in the military. I couldn't touch DB's shoulder for a week until after his Small Pox scab healed.

Anyway, I think it's an unfortunate circumstance that a child develops Austism. But think of all of the childhood disease we have wiped out.

Thankfully, we don't have the threat of Polio, Measles, Mumps, Chicken Pox or TB.

okay..editing this.

There is a still a threat, but it is not as prominent because of Vaccinations

My sister has done a lot of research and attended conferences on this topic. She's sent me some info., some of which I haven't had the chance to go through yet. But, you'd be shocked to see what is in the immunizations people are given. There seems to be very clear scientific evidence (including studies in addition to the one quoted in this thread) that immunizations DO cause autism and other types of problems such as ADHD which are on the rise. I now believe that this is what caused my son's severe problems. If I have any more children, I don't want to have them immunized...or at least not get all of the immunizations.

As scary as some of the ingredients might sound, have you ever seen what some of the diseases can do that these vaxes prevent against? I know we all have our opinions but in my opinion the repercussions of these diseases coming back are much worse and scarier.

Now, I do think more research should definitely be done, and I do think we should have the HIGHEST standards for what goes into these vaxes. Perhaps they have not tweaked these vaccines to their full potential. Maybe they can still make changes that will still be as effective.

I just can't advocate everyone not vaxing. I think we'd be in for much more trouble that we're in now.

As scary as some of the ingredients might sound, have you ever seen what some of the diseases can do that these vaxes prevent against? I know we all have our opinions but in my opinion the repercussions of these diseases coming back are much worse and scarier.

Now, I do think more research should definitely be done, and I do think we should have the HIGHEST standards for what goes into these vaxes. Perhaps they have not tweaked these vaccines to their full potential. Maybe they can still make changes that will still be as effective.

I just can't advocate everyone not vaxing. I think we'd be in for much more trouble that we're in now.

:agree

I strongly agree with this statment. Think of what could have possibly happened with Hurricane Katrina had a lot of those children not been vaccinated.

We're talking widespread Cholera, Dysentary, & TB outbreaks.

Most people who chose to delay or not vax have researched thoroughly and made that decision based on their research. I know for us we did research the diseases and how they are transmitted, as well as the vaccinations and their side effects. ;)

Furthermore, you think about the decrease in infant mortality rates thanks to these vaccines.

Has anyone actually seen what Whooping Cough and Diptheria actually do to a child? Infants die from these diseases.

Most people who chose to delay or not vax have researched thoroughly and made that decision based on their research. I know for us we did research the diseases and how they are transmitted, as well as the vaccinations and their side effects. ;)

That's true. lol I guess you all see where I stand with Vaccinations..but it is a personal choice. Thanks to many medical advancements these diseases aren't as detrimental to children.

I pointed out that children now recieve far more immunizations then my generation did in childhood. So the "we got these shots..." line doesn't float with me. No we did not get these shots not even close.

I pointed out that children now recieve far more immunizations then my generation did in childhood. So the "we got these shots..." line doesn't float with me. No we did not get these shots not even close.

Yeah that post was truly eye-opening for me at least Jamie. Thank you so much for posting that. :)

Thanks for some reason that train of thought when it comes to anything bugs me LOL Sorry I know it is my problem not any of you guys!

No the VAX are not the same as they are today and not only that but they get more of them.

(I googled because I don't have my baby shot record handy) this is what an average infant born in 1978 had for a vax schedule:
Polio (not sure if OPV or IPV): 2 months, 4 months, 6 months
DPT: 4 months, 5 months, 6 months - Boosters at 18 months and 4 years
MMR: 18 months
HIB: 5 1/2 years


This is the current VAX schedule:
Birth
* Hep B: Hepatitis B vaccine; may be given at any age for those not previously immunized.

1–4 months
*Hep B: Second dose should be administered 1 to 2 months after the first dose. If the first dose of Hep B vaccine is not given until a child is 2 months old, the second will be given when the child is 3 to 4 months old.

2 months
* DTaP: Diphtheria, tetanus, and acellular pertussis vaccine
* Hib: Haemophilus influenzae type b vaccine
* IPV: Inactivated poliovirus vaccine
* PCV: Pneumococcal conjugate vaccine
* RV: Rotavirus vaccine, recommended for infants at 2, 4, and 6 months of age

4 months
* DTaP
* Hib
* IPV
* PCV
* RV

>6 months and annually
* Influenza.

6 months
* DTaP
* Hib
* PCV
* RV

6–18 months
* Hep B
* IPV

12–15 months
* Hib
* MMR: Measles, mumps, and rubella (German measles) vaccine
* PCV
* Var: Varicella (chickenpox) vaccine; may be given at any visit after first birthday. A second dose should be given between 4 and 6 years of age.

12–23 months
* Hep A: Hepatitis A vaccine; recommended for kids 12–23 months old, given as two shots at least 6 months apart

15–18 months
* DTaP

4–6 years
* DTaP
* MMR
* IPV
* Var

11–12 years
* HPV: The AAP recommends the vaccine to prevent the human papillomavirus (HPV) be given to girls 11–12 years old, in addition to a catch-up immunization for girls ages 13–18. The vaccine prevents most cases of genital warts and cervical cancer.
* Tdap: Tetanus, diphtheria, and pertussis booster
* MCV: Meningitis vaccine; recommended for kids at age 11 years, and for kids age 15 who haven't had the vaccine or are entering high school, whichever comes first. Also recommended for kids age 11 or older with a chronic illness or HIV or traveling to countries where meningitis is common. Also recommended for college entrants who plan to live in dormitories.

College entrants
* MCV4: Meningitis vaccine; recommended for previously unvaccinated college entrants who will live in dormitories.

http://www.cispimmunize.org/IZSchedule_Childhood.pdf

this is just absolutely firghtening to me....thats an insane amount of vaccinations (imo). my parents decided not to have me or my sister vaxx'd..at all. and we're just fine :) i still have to do more research for myself, but this just scares me.

I looked up the Daptacel Vaccine online and here are the ingredients.

I could see why people would be against vaccinating their children because of the inclusion of formaldehyde and glutaraldehyde.

However, I called my aunt and uncle (one who is a pediatric oncologist, and the other an OBGYN) to see what they say about it. They both have two young boys, and I trust their opinion.

They said that Autism has increase greatly in the past 5-10 years. They think it may be attributed to the rising amounts of Toxins in the air, the increasing maturity rate in girls due to the Hormones and the chemicals put into our food? But They said Vaccines have been around for years and years.

My mom had a friend who's son died of Crib Death, and she didn't have her child vaccinated because of that. BUT studies have come out that you shouldnt' smoke around children, and this woman smoked around her children and while she was pregnant.

There are lots of things going on with our changing environment.

Why would they add things to vaccines when SO many pharmaceutical companies have faced lawsuits due to this kind of thing. Wouldn't you think they would be careful about what they put in them to avoid being sued?


What are the ingredients of DAPTACEL vaccine?
DAPTACEL vaccine contains these ingredients:
• Noninfectious proteins from diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis bacteria
• 2-phenoxyethanol (not as a preservative), sodium chloride (salt),
aluminum, and aluminum salts
• Low levels of formaldehyde and glutaraldehyde
The stopper to the vial of this product contains latex that may cause allergic
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People who believe that vaxing is safe will vax. People who do not believe that vaxes are safe will not. No amount of you saying what your aunt said about xyz will change that.

BTW, did you know that aluminum was linked to alzheimer's recently?

everything is linked to something

at one point we thought that deodorant caused cancer.

Some of the vaxes on that list are not required, for instance the rota one that is noted several times on there, as well as the influenza ones. Neither one of those are really part of the vaxing schedule, unless you ask for them. The ones towards the bottom of the schedule for meningitis and HPV are also not necessary, but I'm thankful that we have them available b/c meningitis and HPV can both kill. They weren't given to people several years ago because we didn't have the technology or means to create a vaccinations for them, and these people normally just died.

Also, you have to factor in two things

1) were the vaccines given in one dose more potent? was more injected? have the current vaccines been split up into a few smaller doses or boosters, rather than giving one large dose?

2) were the vaccines as effective when given that way?

IMO, they don't alter the vax schedule just because they want to shoot more medication into kids. It's obviously done for a reason, the same way the recommended age for breastfeeding has gone from 6 months to 2-3 years. Research has probably shown that this vaccination schedule is more effective and probably safer than what it was when we got shots.

I think it would be interesting to see the effects on children whose mother's ate organic as opposed to non-organic.

Seeing as how they put lots of crap (hormones, antiobiotics) in our food.

Well good that you have done the research and chosen a course that you feel will benefit your family. :) I'm sure most have, thus the choices that have been made. :D

As scary as some of the ingredients might sound, have you ever seen what some of the diseases can do that these vaxes prevent against? I know we all have our opinions but in my opinion the repercussions of these diseases coming back are much worse and scarier.

Now, I do think more research should definitely be done, and I do think we should have the HIGHEST standards for what goes into these vaxes. Perhaps they have not tweaked these vaccines to their full potential. Maybe they can still make changes that will still be as effective.

I just can't advocate everyone not vaxing. I think we'd be in for much more trouble that we're in now.

I completely agree with that too.

Well good that you have done the research and chosen a course that you feel will benefit your family. :) I'm sure most have, thus the choices that have been made. :D

True, I respect most people's decision. I guess I was just doing some figuring out of my own.

I never thought about vaccinations. I guess I'm not as cynical about them. I like to think that when something comes out as a prevantative measure that it's truly okay for me.

Maybe I'm too trustworthy. However, I am cynical about all of the food processing plants.

Maybe I should start a thread about the rates of maturation in young girls? :hehe

everything is linked to something

at one point we thought that deodorant caused cancer.

No not deodorant the aluminum IN the deodorant. It is because of the aluminum IN the vax's that Dr. Robert Sear's would like studies done on the ped's vax's. Unlike thermisol (sp?) which was/is a preservative used in vax (not in peds anymore) the aluminum is what helps the vax to work. OS while it can not be removed from the vax surly the shot schedule can be revamped so that children receive them more evenly through out their first 6 years AND no more combo vax's a single vax in a single shot.

I posted a big thread about this in the news section last month for anyone curious.

Some of the vaxes on that list are not required, for instance the rota one that is noted several times on there, as well as the influenza ones. Neither one of those are really part of the vaxing schedule, unless you ask for them. The ones towards the bottom of the schedule for meningitis and HPV are also not necessary, but I'm thankful that we have them available b/c meningitis and HPV can both kill. They weren't given to people several years ago because we didn't have the technology or means to create a vaccinations for them, and these people normally just died.

Also, you have to factor in two things

1) were the vaccines given in one dose more potent? was more injected? have the current vaccines been split up into a few smaller doses or boosters, rather than giving one large dose?

2) were the vaccines as effective when given that way?

IMO, they don't alter the vax schedule just because they want to shoot more medication into kids. It's obviously done for a reason, the same way the recommended age for breastfeeding has gone from 6 months to 2-3 years. Research has probably shown that this vaccination schedule is more effective and probably safer than what it was when we got shots.

I wasn't saying it was wrong or right my argument was with the I was vax'ed and am fine line KWIM? My sole point was that yes you were but you were not vax'd like children today are.

They push the flu shot here on base and in Tucson have added an MMR booster for the birth - 2 year crowd. (they want them to have two before 2 years and then a third between 4-6 years)

I got the second schedule directly from the CDC this is the schedule they want all kids to be on of course parents can opt out of all or some of the vaxes.

Also don't discredit the vax companies desire to make money, they lobby VERY hard for their vaxes to be made mando. Merck & Co is pushing that HVP like you would not believe. It is not altruistic in nature despite the concern for public health that is claimed.

No not deodorant the aluminum IN the deodorant. It is because of the aluminum IN the vax's that Dr. Robert Sear's would like studies done on the ped's vax's. Unlike thermisol (sp?) which was/is a preservative used in vax (not in peds anymore) the aluminum is what helps the vax to work. OS while it can not be removed from the vax surly the shot schedule can be revamped so that children receive them more evenly through out their first 6 years AND no more combo vax's a single vax in a single shot.

I posted a big thread about this in the news section last month for anyone curious.

I agree with you on tweaking the Vax schedule and of doing away with the Combo. I think that if you are going to do a Vaccination then you should do it in a way that is at the lowest amount possible to get the effectiveness of it.

Besides, these are infants and children we are talking about. There bodies are much smaller and still more suseptible to side effects.

True, I respect most people's decision. I guess I was just doing some figuring out of my own.

I never thought about vaccinations. I guess I'm not as cynical about them. I like to think that when something comes out as a prevantative measure that it's truly okay for me.

Maybe I'm too trustworthy. However, I am cynical about all of the food processing plants.

Maybe I should start a thread about the rates of maturation in young girls? :hehe

Yeah off topic but I switched to organic after some of the research I did in HS about the hormones in milk.

Not to mention there's the smoking while preg debate that is always good.

my typos sorry the kids are distracting me. :)

I agree with you on tweaking the Vax schedule and of doing away with the Combo. I think that if you are going to do a Vaccination then you should do it in a way that is at the lowest amount possible to get the effectiveness of it.

Besides, these are infants and children we are talking about. There bodies are much smaller and still more suseptible to side effects.

That's exactly why I'm doing delayed/selective. I don't want to pump my little one full of chemicals and viruses for an immunity he has no need of until he's in school, and even then...

Yeah off topic but I switched to organic after some of the research I did in HS about the hormones in milk.

Not to mention there's the smoking while preg debate that is always good.

Hmm so which one?? :giggle

I think the Hormones one?

I have a 12 y/o sister who is a D-Cup

:arg...............she's a full cup size bigger than me.

Sure there may be more vax now but you have to admit that they might have changed over the years...We vax on the schedule. I do not want my child to get all the shots at once for school or other things he may need them.Outbreaks of measels scares me and the thought that there could be something more is even more frightening to me. Until someone comes out and says hey vaccinations do cause autism then I will continue to vax.There is no right or wrong in this debate.

People who believe that vaxing is safe will vax. People who do not believe that vaxes are safe will not.

:tu

I'm just glad I did all the research before hand. I'm happy that Z is on a selective/delayed sched. :)

Wow. This is the most convincing study I've seen so far... well it is the way this article presented it.
I've really not wanted to get on board with the vaccine causes autism scare, because I think that our methods of diagnosis have improved with recent awareness and research which is mostly what's causing the number of cases to skyrocket. Not that there are actually more cases.. just more diagnosed and documented.
Also remember what happened in California? They removed the mercury-containing preservative thimerosal and researchers at the California Department of Public Health said autism rates still continued to rise.
I was still nervous about vacs and the unknowns surrounding them, but what do you do? Vaccinate and hedge your bets on the small percent chance that he could develop autism from it or not vaccinate and see him come down with some super evolved life threatening version of the mumps? What I chose to do was space them out rather than hit him with him three and four at a time. He still wasn't done when it was time to start school, but I obtained a waiver (which if anyone is interested is easy to do in the state of VA!). I also opted out of the chicken pox vac. I and my two sisters and step brother ALL had chicken pox. Every friend I knew did too. It was NBD so why is that necessary? Also it increases the likelihood big time of developing shingles later in life. I think there are a few more unnecessary vacs, but I wasn't educated enough at the time. :(
Anyway in light of this study I really hope the government is convinced to jump in and begin funding more research. Of all the crap they subsidize and fund, don' they think our children's well being and health should be at the top of that list?

Also remember what happened in California? They removed the mercury-containing preservative thimerosal and researchers at the California Department of Public Health said autism rates still continued to rise.
I was still nervous about vacs and the unknowns surrounding them, but what do you do? Vaccinate and hedge your bets on the small percent chance that he could develop autism from it or not vaccinate and see him come down with some super evolved life threatening version of the mumps? What I chose to do was space them out rather than hit him with him three and four at a time.

:yes :yes :yes I vaxed on time with my first, delayed a little with my second and have really delayed with my third, spacing them out quite a bit. That's what I feel is best for my kiddos so that's how I plan to handle vaxes with our last baby, as well.

What if my 4 month old has had all the up to date shots and when I take him to his 6 month, I decide that I now want the remaining "grouped" shots to be one at a time, does anyone know if that can happen? Or I wonder if that would mess up the shots already given, thus him needing more since they're not being spaced how they originally were going to be?

Does that make sense? I guess it's something I need to talk to the ped about.

I tell ya...I go back and forth. I come on here and read stuff and it sends me back to the mind set that I should have him getting his shots one at a time...then I go to the apt's and it all seems fine :sigh I"ve talked to the ped's (there's never the same dr each time, unless I ask for the specific person), but they're all for them, obviously.

What if my 4 month old has had all the up to date shots and when I take him to his 6 month, I decide that I now want the remaining "grouped" shots to be one at a time, does anyone know if that can happen? Or I wonder if that would mess up the shots already given, thus him needing more since they're not being spaced how they originally were going to be?

Does that make sense? I guess it's something I need to talk to the ped about.

I tell ya...I go back and forth. I come on here and read stuff and it sends me back to the mind set that I should have him getting his shots one at a time...then I go to the apt's and it all seems fine :sigh

Nope, it won't mess him up at all. I did that with both Shelby and Hunter.

Now, you're going to have to find a ped that is along your same train of thought b/c the one I'm currently seeing now CRINGES at the thought of Hunter being 'behind' on his vaxes. Last time we were there, he pretty much all but forced me to get four vaxes done b/c Hunter was behind by two full sets. I tried to explain to him that he's only a year and a half and I was PURPOSELY spacing them out over the next five years, but he didn't want to hear ANY part of that, and most peds we've seen are VERY against not getting them done. So, when you do go in and want to delay them, be prepared to stick to your guns if you're serious about it. I'm pretty much thinking about changing peds just over this single issue, because it's big for me and I felt VERY uncomfortable during the last visit when he pushed SOOOO hard for me to get "AT LEAST four vaxes done". He would have given Hunter more except I flat out refused. So, good luck with that :lol

What if my 4 month old has had all the up to date shots and when I take him to his 6 month, I decide that I now want the remaining "grouped" shots to be one at a time, does anyone know if that can happen? Or I wonder if that would mess up the shots already given, thus him needing more since they're not being spaced how they originally were going to be?

Does that make sense? I guess it's something I need to talk to the ped about.

I tell ya...I go back and forth. I come on here and read stuff and it sends me back to the mind set that I should have him getting his shots one at a time...then I go to the apt's and it all seems fine :sigh

I know. I felt the same way! :hugs It does make sense what you are asking because some of the vacs come in two parts. You just have to talk to your pedi. FYI I found that with my pedi I had to do a lot of my own footwork on which came in two's, and basically be adamant about the schedule. We have a great pedi now though, who would totally work with me on our next child.... if we are ever able to make one. :lol

What if my 4 month old has had all the up to date shots and when I take him to his 6 month, I decide that I now want the remaining "grouped" shots to be one at a time, does anyone know if that can happen? Or I wonder if that would mess up the shots already given, thus him needing more since they're not being spaced how they originally were going to be?

Does that make sense? I guess it's something I need to talk to the ped about.

I tell ya...I go back and forth. I come on here and read stuff and it sends me back to the mind set that I should have him getting his shots one at a time...then I go to the apt's and it all seems fine :sigh I"ve talked to the ped's (there's never the same dr each time, unless I ask for the specific person), but they're all for them, obviously.

Tandis had all of his 1st and 2nd set, and then I did research and decided to delay and selective. The pediatrician told me we have to start all over. That's fine with me.

I know. I felt the same way! :hugs It does make sense what you are asking because some of the vacs come in two parts. You just have to talk to your pedi. FYI I found that with my pedi I had to do a lot of my own footwork on which came in two's, and basically be adamant about the schedule. We have a great pedi now though, who would totally work with me on our next child.... if we are ever able to make one. :lol

I'm thinking I'm really going to have to research this. I did read a bit before, but not really indepth.

When I asked the ped's about it before, they all were for vaxing, obviously. I even asked one of the dr's if they would give their child all the vax's and they said yes. I also talked to my cousin, who is starting her internship in pediatrics, if she was for all the vax's and she said yes, as well. So it's hard to just not trust them, you know?

It's really hard to decide what's best...

I hope I don't sound ignorant...I am someone who really tries to be aware of things when it comes to her kids, so I hate to put myself out there w/ this subject and look like a dumbass...I normally research and I feel kind of dumb that I haven't pushed this issue more instead of just trusting the dr's.

Here's the flip side that I mentioned in my earlier post. I remembered reading it recently, but had to find it.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=746239
The key part here being
In this latest outbreak, two-thirds of children between 16 months and 19 years old had not been immunized because of religious or personal beliefs. Thirteen children were too young to be vaccinated.
The majority were in unvaccinated children. So as the number of parents aware of the danger grows and the number of unvaccinated children grows the case load of infected grows. Then the virus gets stronger and stronger due to antibiotic treatment, and suddenly we have another super virus that is immune to our current vac making my vaccinated child vulnerable, and forcing researchers to spend more time and money on new vacs that cause new potential harm... :sigh
It's never ending. And there is no right answer. I was scared when I vacced my son. I was scared not to.... IDK???

It's never ending. And there is no right answer. I was scared when I vacced my son. I was scared not to.... IDK???

Exactly :sigh

I hope I don't sound ignorant...I am someone who really tries to be aware of things when it comes to her kids, so I hate to put myself out there w/ this subject and look like a dumbass...I normally research and I feel kind of dumb that I haven't pushed this issue more instead of just trusting the dr's.

NO! I trust the dr's when they tell me to put my kid on antibiotics, why wouldn't we trust them to do what they recommend on vacs? I would guess that more than 90% of us vaccinate (I didn't fact check that) so why wouldn't you assume that is what you are supposed to do? This autism related to vaccination awareness is new, and so far unsuccessfully researched. You are checking into it now.... but even if you weren't and were unconcerned, given the facts, I wouldn't think anyone would look down on you!

I don't put my child on anything just because a DR says so. DRs are not infallible for my youngest antibiotics were hurting him he had chronic ear infections his whole first year.

I could not get the base clinic to treat him though because THEY FORGOT to reassign him when his old DR left. (I kept getting the run around for a long time it was a TAD then all of a sudden I was told his DR had PCS'd months ago) I kept bringing him to urgent care for his ear infections, they would prescribe meds, the base clinic would not DO THEIR job which is when the meds have been give their course check to make sure the infection is gone. A couple weeks later he would be back in urgent care. FINALLY I was lucky enough to get him seen on base and it just happened that a neuropath DR was working there that day and we went a whole different way and DID NOT use antibiotics to cure his ear infection. The "traditional" way was not helping my child in-fact all the antibiotics were doing was making him sick AND lessening their effectiveness on him with each round he had.

Still I agree and don't think anyone would look down on anyone for not knowing or for just trusting a DR to always have their best interests at heart. We expect our DRs to help us and we expect them to be up to date on current medical events. The sad fact is though they are not always. I mean not just with vaxing but with other things as well. I know some women have been given VERY bad breast feeding advice from pedis that ended up hurting their supply. DRs are by no means perfect and they too have their hang ups and things they like or dislike and they tend to show that in how they run their practices.

The scare of autism is NOT the only reason I delay and selectively vax my kids (well, Kaia has never been vax'd and Wade only because I didn't research them first). And as for peds, my ped is wonderful and never questions me w/ regards to not vaxing them.

I could not get the base clinic to treat him though because THEY FORGOT to reassign him when his old DR left. (I kept getting the run around for a long time it was a TAD then all of a sudden I was told his DR had PCS'd months ago) I kept bringing him to urgent care for his ear infections, they would prescribe meds, the base clinic would not DO THEIR job which is when the meds have been give their course check to make sure the infection is gone. A couple weeks later he would be back in urgent care. FINALLY I was lucky enough to get him seen on base and it just happened that a neuropath DR was working there that day and we went a whole different way and DID NOT use antibiotics to cure his ear infection. The "traditional" way was not helping my child in-fact all the antibiotics were doing was making him sick AND lessening their effectiveness on him with each round he had.


OMGosh I know this is off topic, but this happened with my son as well. Round after round of antibiotic, and finally when he was two we were in an area where we had to use civy dr.s and they referred him to an ENT that told us he needed tubes. THEN the ear infections ceased, but he was desensitized to antibiotics or something? I still don't get that. Is HE desensitized or is the bug desensitized affecting all of us? :lol Anyway I mean to say I feel you.

BTW if you're curious I began our whole family on a probiotic (the good intestinal bacteria) regime that drastically decreased our susceptibility to viruses n infections n such.

The scare of autism is NOT the only reason I delay and selectively vax my kids (well, Kaia has never been vax'd and Wade only because I didn't research them first). And as for peds, my ped is wonderful and never questions me w/ regards to not vaxing them.
What other reasons? Did you already post it and I missed it? :lol I'm curious.

OMGosh I know this is off topic, but this happened with my son as well. Round after round of antibiotic, and finally when he was two we were in an area where we had to use civy dr.s and they referred him to an ENT that told us he needed tubes. THEN the ear infections ceased, but he was desensitized to antibiotics or something? I still don't get that. Is HE desensitized or is the bug desensitized affecting all of us? :lol Anyway I mean to say I feel you.

BTW if you're curious I began our whole family on a probiotic (the good intestinal bacteria) regime that drastically decreased our susceptibility to viruses n infections n such.

probiotic are wonderful aren't they! I like kefir smoothies. We used a whole bunch of supplements to fortify my breast milk along with giving him acidopholus (sp?) Worked like a charm cleared the ear infection up and he has never had another one. We also used the Mullen's Garlic drops for his ears.

What other reasons? Did you already post it and I missed it? :lol I'm curious.

Do you really want me to go into it? This isn't a vaxing/non-vaxing debate.

Do you really want me to go into it? This isn't a vaxing/non-vaxing debate.

Well if you'd rather PM me..... I'm just curious. :)

probiotic are wonderful aren't they! I like kefir smoothies. We used a whole bunch of supplements to fortify my breast milk along with giving him acidopholus (sp?) Worked like a charm cleared the ear infection up and he has never had another one. We also used the Mullen's Garlic drops for his ears.

OMGosh they SO are the most wonderful nutritionist discovery EVER. See if we'd never begun to pasteurize milk, or pesticide our soils we'd never need to know what the benefits were b/c we'd be getting them.... however we've depleted them from our diets, and now are becoming aware of the need for supplementation, BUT our dr's aren't nutritionists and don't know it. If I could make everyone understand and believe what I've been through, and the relief that probiotics have given me I would die happy. What's sad is that my spell check doesn't even recognize the word. :lmao

Well if you'd rather PM me..... I'm just curious. :)

I'm off to watch a movie with my DH right now, but I'll PM you tomorrow with some information. :)

OMGosh they SO are the most wonderful nutritionist discovery EVER. See if we'd never begun to pasteurize milk, or pesticide our soils we'd never need to know what the benefits were b/c we'd be getting them.... however we've depleted them from our diets, and now are becoming aware of the need for supplementation, BUT our dr's aren't nutritionists and don't know it. If I could make everyone understand and believe what I've been through, and the relief that probiotics have given me I would die happy. What's sad is that my spell check doesn't even recognize the word. :lmao

See I like seeing a naturopathic DR more then I do a "traditional" (isn't that funny because naturopathy IS traditional medicine LOL) DR. I fully plan on putting in the paper work next duty station to get us a civilian naturo family practice DR. (you can submit paper work to Tricare and chose to be seen off base)

You bring up a valid point.

The issue is, though-they can't rule OUT the vaccinations, so they are being looked at as a possible risk factor. A lot of the vaccines we have today didn't exist when we were babies-the combined vax shots, for instance.

I honestly don't know what to think, that's why I'm being extra cautious with Liam. I do hope for the best of course because vaccinations save lives...but waiting to see more data.

:yes

i personally don't think vaxs are the sole cause of autism but i do think that there is some sort of connection for some children that it might bring out something that's already there either from high levels of heavy metals, genetic predisposition, etc

See I like seeing a naturopathic DR more then I do a "traditional" (isn't that funny because naturopathy IS traditional medicine LOL) DR. I fully plan on putting in the paper work next duty station to get us a civilian naturo family practice DR. (you can submit paper work to Tricare and chose to be seen off base)
OMGosh please PM me on the procedure.... We saw civy drs breifly at a duty station more than 40 mi from an AD post, but won't have that opportunity again.

I will when I know exactly how it works lol I belong to a mom's group for kids with special needs and she is going to tell me how to do it. She did tell me it is very simple though you just fill out paper work.

I will when I know exactly how it works lol I belong to a mom's group for kids with special needs and she is going to tell me how to do it. She did tell me it is very simple though you just fill out paper work.

I will look into it, and would appreciate any follow up info you may get!

:yes

i personally don't think vaxs are the sole cause of autism but i do think that there is some sort of connection for some children that it might bring out something that's already there either from high levels of heavy metals, genetic predisposition, etc

I agree with Jill:P vax is not the 100% cause of autism BUT I believe vax are not helping either. And if we can delay or not vax to help prevent, then why not?

I agree with Jill:P vax is not the 100% cause of autism BUT I believe vax are not helping either. And if we can delay or not vax to help prevent, then why not?

I am delaying a bit to try to space the vaccinations out more, which just eases my mind about ANY medication or shot going into my child's body... the same way I space tylenol or anything else. However, "why not" part to why don't I personally stop vaxing is because I feel that having the vaxes, even if they are spaced out or delayed or even selective, is SO much safer than letting these diseases get out of control again.

vaxes should NOT be one size fits all. my infant who's in the 25 percentile should not be given the same as an infant who is off the charts weight wise

vaxes should NOT be one size fits all. my infant who's in the 25 percentile should not be given the same as an infant who is off the charts weight wise
Hmmmm. I never considered that, but it probably is a very valid point!

I am delaying a bit to try to space the vaccinations out more, which just eases my mind about ANY medication or shot going into my child's body... the same way I space tylenol or anything else. However, "why not" part to why don't I personally stop vaxing is because I feel that having the vaxes, even if they are spaced out or delayed or even selective, is SO much safer than letting these diseases get out of control again.

Oh my gosh I so agree with this.

We have almost wiped some of these diseases out. What if they start to come back, but because people aren't vaccinating they mutate and develop new strains?

Thus, the Vaccines that researchs worked hard to develop wont matter anymore, and the children who are vaccinated wouldn't be protected anyway.