I had an interesting conversation in Bible Study last night and it boiled down to some games help promote "withcraft". For example WoW is the biggest game that promotes it.

What do you think?

What other games do you think are out there that "promote" it but most people don't think of because they view it as just a game?

Do you think that it's just a game and there is no correlation between the two?

honestly, a lot of strict Muslims would say WoW is haram (bad) bc it deals with fantasy, "witch craft", etc. BUT. i think ANY religion should be considered with a grain of salt and a LOT of common sense. if you're not putting WoW, Halo, Monopoly... before you're religion and you understand it's all fake.. you're fine.

a lot of Christians poo-poo on Harry Potter bc it's ~wizardry~ and all that nonsense... whatever. i can understand why they'd feel that way, but it's fiction and entertainment. :dunno

I had an interesting conversation in Bible Study last night and it boiled down to some games help promote "withcraft". For example WoW is the biggest game that promotes it.

What do you think?

What other games do you think are out there that "promote" it but most people don't think of because they view it as just a game?

Do you think that it's just a game and there is no correlation between the two?

Oh come on...... Candy Land is fantasy, and that darn Chutes and Ladders implies teleportation. Ban 'em all!!!!!

Whadda crock.

No, I think it is just a game! I don't correlate it with anything other than entertainment. Now I will state that I have never played WoW or similar games. However I do play SIMS.

Does that mean I promote promiscuity because I make my people have multiple sex partners on there?! Or do I promote cheating because I have made the spouses cheat on each other?! What about spousal abuse because I have made the spouses & lovers have slapped each other?! I think not! I don't promote or condone any of the above but I still make my SIMS do them on the game! To me, it is just a game, period!

Oh come on...... Candy Land is fantasy, and that darn Chutes and Ladders implies teleportation. Ban 'em all!!!!!

Whadda crock.

lol srsly I laughed out loud.

I think it IS just a game it is an RPG (right?) and lets people live out online fantasies of battles and heroics (or villainy and doom) but still just a game. That is of course unless people really THINK there are faeries and trolls and all of that stuff here in the everyday world. (not that I am against it mind you I would love it if that stuff was really think how interesting life would be)

Sure. I guess it could be seen that way. I surely don't see it that way. According to religion, no one should have an imagination, period. I can only imagine what children were like in Biblical times... :hehe

so we should ban games like WoW but more real life games like grand theft auto are ok? games are games!

I remember them thinking D and D players were committing secret ancient rituals in their mothers basements . I still play and my husband is a DM . Believe me , the only ritual that is happening is here is that they eat me out of house and home !!

Unstable people are always around ...they will "see" it as more then a game . I think the majority understands that it is a game.

I had an interesting conversation in Bible Study last night and it boiled down to some games help promote "withcraft". For example WoW is the biggest game that promotes it.

What do you think?

What other games do you think are out there that "promote" it but most people don't think of because they view it as just a game?

Do you think that it's just a game and there is no correlation between the two?

I personally think it's just a game. I think witchcraft in all honesty is little far-fetched.

I personally don't beleive in it, and I think the path taken to prevent it has had very horrible consequences.

Witchery and Heresy claims cost people their lives and their reputations. I'm not just talking about the Salem Witch trials but also about the "Satanic" Day Care scares in the 1980's.

If you ask me it really makes no sense, and I think games full of fantasy and magic are just part of people's imaginative state. You can't tell a child not to have an imagination and be creative simply because it resembles "witchery"

What, pray tell, IS witchery? How do you all define witchery in this day and age?

Witchcraft is just a scapegoat for some people: "OMG, I can't take responsibility for anything--blame the magick!" It's like music and video games: "Oh we won't take responsibility for our kids cutting up so all this rap and hiphop is bad!" "Oh, violent gory VGs! Your kids are screwed up BECAUSE of that!!" It's not the music, the VGs or ANY religion that makes kids screwed up; it's the parents. (and if the PARENTS were a little more open...)

The real reason why witchcraft is being blamed here with WoW is because SOMEHOW it's so irresistible people will play for WEEKS straight (seriously--they drink Red Bull and pee into the empty cans. They end up getting fired from their jobs and so on and so forth). That's not really the religion's problem, though: people are DUMBASSES and can't say Hey, I gotta get off for a bit.

It's a responsibility thing, not a :scapegoat deal.

Eh, I disagree :dunno

Witchcraft is an aspect of WoW I guess if you want to look at it that way, but it's a game. Playing the game doesn't make me wanna go draw a pentagram and start conversing with the devil. :lol

Witchcraft and the devil have nothing to do with each other.

I can see where people come from with this idea but at the same time, because someone plays WoW doesn't mean they are going out and practicing witchcraft like Becca said.

And like someone else said, if you're not putting the game before your faith then there shouldn't be an issue. Anything can be bad if you let it take over your life.

No comment!!!!

WOW is just a game, a stupid game!:suspect:suspect But I am willing to tell Dh is against christians values to get him off the computer!!:hehe

honestly i think people who spout off that games like D&D and WoW promote witchcraft need to get a freakin life.
IMHO i think people need to realize its just for entertainment uses and get over it.

I think the Bible gives us instructions for REAL LIFE. I don't know anything about WoW, and I know of RPG's and I don't see any harm in the games. Someone used Harry Potter as an example, and I don't see harm in that either. For my kid's part it all has to do with his maturity level, and my guidance for him pertaining to it. As long as he understands it to be entertainment and not reality then the amusement he gets from it is fine.
As far as real life the Bible's story of King Saul and the Witch of Endor is the only example of where God's instructions in the OT on witches, charmers, familiar spirits etc. is applicable in REAL LIFE. It doesn't pertain to games or entertainment as long as my kid knows he's not to have it carry over as things he can depend upon in real life.

I dunno, I think if you can seperate reality and fantasy you're ok, I used to really poo poo Harry Potter but I don't think it's such a big deal anymore.

Whats wrong with witchcraft?

Witchcraft and the devil have nothing to do with each other.

Thank you for the clarification - forgive my poor choice of words.

a lot of Christians poo-poo on Harry Potter bc it's ~wizardry~ and all that nonsense... whatever. i can understand why they'd feel that way, but it's fiction and entertainment. :dunno

My eyes practically roll out of my head when I hear other Christians use that argument about Harry Potty..

If you're going to forbid Harry Potty in your house to protect your kids from the glamorous lifestyle of witchcraft, you'd better get rid of some DVDs in your house too..


Cinderella
Sleeping Beauty
Aladdin
Beauty and the Beast
Snow White
The Sword in the Stone
Shrek
Pirates of the Caribbean (Voodoo and Santeria)
The Lion King (where a monkey served the role of Shaman):freakout

Also not to mention, Disney's Fantasia where Mickey Mouse put a wizard's hat and wielded a magic wand with which he cast spells... Oh, the BLASPHEMY!!! Someone save our kids from the evils of Walt Disney.

Puuuleeeeze...

My eyes practically roll out of my head when I hear other Christians use that argument about Harry Potty..

If you're going to forbid Harry Potty in your house to protect your kids from the glamorous lifestyle of witchcraft, you'd better get rid of some DVDs in your house too..


Cinderella
Sleeping Beauty
Aladdin
Beauty and the Beast
Snow White
The Sword in the Stone
Shrek
Pirates of the Caribbean (Voodoo and Santeria)
The Lion King (where a monkey served the role of Shaman):freakout

Also not to mention, Disney's Fantasia where Mickey Mouse put a wizard's hat and wielded a magic wand with which he cast spells... Oh, the BLASPHEMY!!! Someone save our kids from the evils of Walt Disney.

Puuuleeeeze...
OR the best part of the original Fantasia the Demon in the mountain one. LOL The new Fantasia has Mother Nature in a wood nymph form too.

I know some peeps (not personally just from the news stories) that tried to ban Charlotte's Web on the basis that she talks with animals so she is a witch. (she doesn't talk WITH she listens to them LOL obviously they have not read the book)

i dunno about this debate....i just ignore stupidity alot of the time. I don't see where games promote religion in any way. Unless i am playing scrabble with DH and then i am PRAYING TO GOD that i kick his butt! :teehee

That is a huge crock of shit.

My eyes practically roll out of my head when I hear other Christians use that argument about Harry Potty..

If you're going to forbid Harry Potty in your house to protect your kids from the glamorous lifestyle of witchcraft, you'd better get rid of some DVDs in your house too..


Cinderella
Sleeping Beauty
Aladdin
Beauty and the Beast
Snow White
The Sword in the Stone
Shrek
Pirates of the Caribbean (Voodoo and Santeria)
The Lion King (where a monkey served the role of Shaman):freakout

Also not to mention, Disney's Fantasia where Mickey Mouse put a wizard's hat and wielded a magic wand with which he cast spells... Oh, the BLASPHEMY!!! Someone save our kids from the evils of Walt Disney.

Puuuleeeeze...

:yes Only remember the Southern Baptist Convention did boycott Disney a while back, but not for those reasons.
How about the beloved "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe"?? My church took a bus to that, but condemns Harry Potter. I didn't understand it.

as a christian i am ok with the games. i personally am not into them, but if dh was i would be ok w/ it.
the only no-no for me is the oujia board.

A game is a game. Nothing more. Until people start blaming their actions on the game.

I've never really put my thoughts all together on this, but let me see if I can come up with something...

To me, it is not that they "promote" witchcraft or whatnot. It is the desensitization aspect, similar to games like Grand Theft Auto, or violent movies. Since spirituality is a very real, tangible thing to me, I don't like the thought of lumping it in to "it's all for fun and make-believe." I take the spiritual world very seriously, I have had very real experiences with it in my own life, and when I was younger saw effects from rituals that were performed. I would have thought it was crazy too, if it hadn't happened to me first-hand.

I don't have kids, but whenever the decision comes up as to what to allow them to do... well, that will be between my husband and myself. But even just for my own purposes, I stay away from the witchcraft/wizardry area because it is something I feel very sensitive to, and I prefer to keep it at a distance. That isn't necessarily right for everyone - but it is for me.

If I had an SO who was in to WoW and the like, it wouldn't bother me except for the "addiction" aspects. :) I just wouldn't join.

Hope y'all don't think I'm nutty for saying it... but it is something I avoid, and it does partially involve my religious beliefs. I don't feel like a crazy person for it though - I'm certainly not on a crusade or anything. :)

If people can't tell the difference between World of Warcraft and Witchcraft, they shouldn't be playing games.

My eyes practically roll out of my head when I hear other Christians use that argument about Harry Potty..

If you're going to forbid Harry Potty in your house to protect your kids from the glamorous lifestyle of witchcraft, you'd better get rid of some DVDs in your house too..


Cinderella
Sleeping Beauty
Aladdin
Beauty and the Beast
Snow White
The Sword in the Stone
Shrek
Pirates of the Caribbean (Voodoo and Santeria)
The Lion King (where a monkey served the role of Shaman):freakout

Also not to mention, Disney's Fantasia where Mickey Mouse put a wizard's hat and wielded a magic wand with which he cast spells... Oh, the BLASPHEMY!!! Someone save our kids from the evils of Walt Disney.

Puuuleeeeze...

Flippin' seriously!!

I've never really put my thoughts all together on this, but let me see if I can come up with something...

To me, it is not that they "promote" witchcraft or whatnot. It is the desensitization aspect, similar to games like Grand Theft Auto, or violent movies. Since spirituality is a very real, tangible thing to me, I don't like the thought of lumping it in to "it's all for fun and make-believe." I take the spiritual world very seriously, I have had very real experiences with it in my own life, and when I was younger saw effects from rituals that were performed. I would have thought it was crazy too, if it hadn't happened to me first-hand.

I don't have kids, but whenever the decision comes up as to what to allow them to do... well, that will be between my husband and myself. But even just for my own purposes, I stay away from the witchcraft/wizardry area because it is something I feel very sensitive to, and I prefer to keep it at a distance. That isn't necessarily right for everyone - but it is for me.

If I had an SO who was in to WoW and the like, it wouldn't bother me except for the "addiction" aspects. :) I just wouldn't join.

Hope y'all don't think I'm nutty for saying it... but it is something I avoid, and it does partially involve my religious beliefs. I don't feel like a crazy person for it though - I'm certainly not on a crusade or anything. :)

I think it's cool that you took the time to put it together and say it, and I like the way you put it too. :thumbsup

My eyes practically roll out of my head when I hear other Christians use that argument about Harry Potty..

If you're going to forbid Harry Potty in your house to protect your kids from the glamorous lifestyle of witchcraft, you'd better get rid of some DVDs in your house too..


Cinderella
Sleeping Beauty
Aladdin
Beauty and the Beast
Snow White
The Sword in the Stone
Shrek
Pirates of the Caribbean (Voodoo and Santeria)
The Lion King (where a monkey served the role of Shaman):freakout

Also not to mention, Disney's Fantasia where Mickey Mouse put a wizard's hat and wielded a magic wand with which he cast spells... Oh, the BLASPHEMY!!! Someone save our kids from the evils of Walt Disney.

Puuuleeeeze...
:hail yup I knew someone who wouldn't read these romance novels because it dealt with witchcraft and ESP and all that jazz, but loved those disney movies. :no

:yes Only remember the Southern Baptist Convention did boycott Disney a while back, but not for those reasons.
How about the beloved "The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe"?? My church took a bus to that, but condemns Harry Potter. I didn't understand it.

Because The Chronicles of Narnia was written by C.S. Lewis, who was a big time Christian. And a VERY good point, I had totally forgotten about that.

Because The Chronicles of Narnia was written by C.S. Lewis, who was a big time Christian. And a VERY good point, I had totally forgotten about that.
Thanks. And C.S.Lewis was a really neat guy, and yes, a Christian, and I would love to know what he would think about HP? What would he say about good winning out over evil, and the message of doing what is right not what is easy, and of laying don your life for your brother? Some people (my mom most recently) would argue that HP does not convey the message of God or Christ, but I disagree. The only valid argument is that they rely on magic for help, but it is FANTASY. I can guide my child in relying on himself, God's providence, and finding comfort in prayer, and still allow him to enjoy these movies. And this is from a Christian perspective. Other points can be made from other positions too.

It's a game. Face it, a very addicting game that I would have more hardships there. If you can't tell the difference between fact and fiction, you shouldn't play the game. Also, if you can't control yourself; you shouldn't play it also.

I think it is important for parents to know what is in the game before purchasing it for their children. On the other hand, I think it is wrong for a parents to purchase a mature game for anyone in the household not mature enough to play it. Sorry, off subject.

JMO.

I think that it is just a game, I had this talk with my pastors wife, and she said that it is like, watching a movie that has murder, you know that it is not real and it is for entertainment, so there should be no issue. As long as a person is able to seperate fact from fiction there is no problem.

Thanks. And C.S.Lewis was a really neat guy, and yes, a Christian, and I would love to know what he would think about HP? What would he say about good winning out over evil, and the message of doing what is right not what is easy, and of laying don your life for your brother? Some people (my mom most recently) would argue that HP does not convey the message of God or Christ, but I disagree. The only valid argument is that they rely on magic for help, but it is FANTASY. I can guide my child in relying on himself, God's providence, and finding comfort in prayer, and still allow him to enjoy these movies. And this is from a Christian perspective. Other points can be made from other positions too.

Just my opinion, HP and Lord of the Rings are allowed in my house and enjoyed by the entire family.

Peter Jackson did an amazing job portraying the battle between good and evil. We've always looked at it from the idea that Frodo was just a small single little person who's been thrown into the struggle that requires him to take a stand against evil and doing what is right even if it kills him, KWIM?

No matter how much evil there is in this world, there is always some good worth fighting for, and something worth standing up for. A person could even go as far as saying that Gandalf is even tempted in a battle with Saruman in the same way Christ is tempted by Satan in the wilderness; to forsake good and join evil.. :dunno

Just my opinion, HP and Lord of the Rings are allowed in my house and enjoyed by the entire family.

Peter Jackson did an amazing job portraying the battle between good and evil. We've always looked at it from the idea that Frodo was just a small single little person who's been thrown into the struggle that requires him to take a stand against evil and doing what is right even if it kills him, KWIM?

No matter how much evil there is in this world, there is always some good worth fighting for, and something worth standing up for. A person could even go as far as saying that Gandalf is even tempted in a battle with Saruman in the same way Christ is tempted by Satan in the wilderness; to forsake good and join evil.. :dunno

i agree! :)

i think a game is just a game.

honestly, a lot of strict Muslims would say WoW is haram (bad) bc it deals with fantasy, "witch craft", etc. BUT. i think ANY religion should be considered with a grain of salt and a LOT of common sense. if you're not putting WoW, Halo, Monopoly... before you're religion and you understand it's all fake.. you're fine.

a lot of Christians poo-poo on Harry Potter bc it's ~wizardry~ and all that nonsense... whatever. i can understand why they'd feel that way, but it's fiction and entertainment. :dunno

yeah that

Originally Posted by libbydc
Thanks. And C.S.Lewis was a really neat guy, and yes, a Christian, and I would love to know what he would think about HP? What would he say about good winning out over evil, and the message of doing what is right not what is easy, and of laying don your life for your brother? Some people (my mom most recently) would argue that HP does not convey the message of God or Christ,but I disagree. The only valid argument is that they rely on magic for help, but it is FANTASY. I can guide my child in relying on himself, God's providence, and finding comfort in prayer, and still allow him to enjoy these movies. And this is from a Christian perspective. Other points can be made from other positions too.
Just my opinion, HP and Lord of the Rings are allowed in my house and enjoyed by the entire family.

Peter Jackson did an amazing job portraying the battle between good and evil. We've always looked at it from the idea that Frodo was just a small single little person who's been thrown into the struggle that requires him to take a stand against evil and doing what is right even if it kills him, KWIM?

No matter how much evil there is in this world, there is always some good worth fighting for, and something worth standing up for. A person could even go as far as saying that Gandalf is even tempted in a battle with Saruman in the same way Christ is tempted by Satan in the wilderness; to forsake good and join evil.. :dunno

We are in agreement. This post alone may not convey that as I was replying to another, but in conjunction with my first it makes sense, and is in complete agreement with you. :)
I am not in agreement with my mom that I referenced. :)
In the HP example I gave
good winning out over evil, and the message of doing what is right not what is easy, and of laying don your life for your brother?
I was expressing that it is total agreement with Christianity.