I was over reading stormfront.org (Dont go unless you want to be banging head against keyboard allnite) And some of the things that people say over there and on other white and black nationalist boards I read make me feel sick. I just cant help but wonder what made someone so full of hate?

What do you think why do people become racist?

Upbrings...

:agree

I guess thats part of it but then I always think of those examples of someone who was raised but like KKK members but thinks tottally opposite of what thier parents think. I just cant get my head around the whole thing

50% the way people are raised. 50% comes from their peers/where they are raised. IMO!

I think the rare find...when a person comes from a very open family and ends up racist beyond belief...those people usually either have some type of mental issue, are easily influenced [peer(s)] or have had something happen to them and went with it.

I better not go to the site. I cannot stand it in any form.

A lot of it is just ignorance. Most people who hate Jews and believe the jewish stereotype have never really hung out with people they knew were jewish. Same with blacks, etc. People are generally scared of what they don't know.
Also they have no one to blame for something that happened, so they blame a group.

closed minds

Idiocy, closed minds, bad upbringing, ignorance and good ol stupidity should cover all the bases!

A lot of it is just ignorance. Most people who hate Jews and believe the jewish stereotype have never really hung out with people they knew were jewish. Same with blacks, etc. People are generally scared of what they don't know.
Also they have no one to blame for something that happened, so they blame a group.

i agree
my family is mostly racist...my grandma comes from a country where the stereotype is mostly everyone is blonde hair and blue eyes my gpa is from a small town with very little diversity if any and both my parents were brought up with racism in their families and developed their own thoughts but still lean towards being racits. my sister and i (my brother is 13 and i dont think cares yet) are far from being racist. alot of my friends in high school were racist but i think it had to do with our surroundings we never had more then 5 black people at our school or more then 5 asians at our school....but still i formed my own opinionsand am far from the racism i grew up surrounded by... :D

I believe it is usually the environment they were raised in. If they grew up in a town that was predominantly racist, there ya go.

Kids from a very young age do not see color as anything other than an adjective. You have to teach them otherwise.

ignorance and fear....

It could be environment you are raised in, but also life experiences are part of it I'm sure, and I'm sure the 'reason' is different for most.

i agree with Schaele

well..i regret it completely but i went to this website and i can safely say now..its about 80% upbringing..i was reading a forum called "child rearing" i would call it brain washing but that just me and i had to rush to the bathroom an throw up..it so sad that these kids arent going to know anything else in there little world but hate..they are harming them more the "helping", i wish i could round up all of there kids and keep them all, i cant stand how people can do this to kids..and with me being asian AMERICAN i was personally hurt when they took stabs and caucasion men you "shacked up" with the "chinks"..that hurts because it shouldnt matter who you fall in lov ewith as long as you were happy..i have to sdmit i was totally ignorant as into how bad these people can get but i just saw it and im physically sick to my stomach right now and there was a point to where i actually cried..DF got mad at me for reading it, but he did to and he got a little teary and went and picked up our sleeping half asian half caucasian daughter and took me by the hand and said he loved us..im glad that htere are people like him in this world (and im sorry if i hit a wrong cord with some people) but i pray to god that people like that can see how this is wrong and they are so blinded and so so so ignorant to the world and they would be so much happier if they would just live and not judge, becasue in the long run you will die full of hate and you will have to answer to (sorry) the god you say that your so faithful too.

sorry so long..

my eyes, my eyes! I just HAD to see the racists for myself. *bangs head against keyboard*

I believe it is usually the environment they were raised in. If they grew up in a town that was predominantly racist, there ya go.

Kids from a very young age do not see color as anything other than an adjective. You have to teach them otherwise.

:agree

I've been there before and I won't click to go back..lol. There is nothing any of us can say that will in any way make it something you can understand. There is nothing I can read that will in anyway make ME understand. There are a million reasons people act that way and a million reasons I will NEVER understnad it.

Besides what everyone has already said, I think ego has a lot to do with it too. Ego is a natural thing... we wouldn't be human without it. The problem is that when people leave their ego's unchecked it tends to manifest in a way that is destructive.

The ego works by saying "I am/have _____, so I am great." This also carries a concept that says "If someone else is not/doesn't have _____, then they are not great." For instance, "I have a fuel efficient car, so I am great for helping the environment. If someone has a huge, gas guzzling truck, they are ruining the environment, and happen to have small a small penis." :giggle

The ego only works when it is comparing things. If I simply said that I have a fuel efficient car, then there is no ego... if I said I'm great because I have a fuel efficient car, the ego is there saying that everybody who owns a non-efficient car is worse than I am.

Also, the ego loves to attach to things that are out of our control... "I am great because I grew up in a clean neighborhood." We can't choose where we were born, but we still attach a lot of our self worth to it. When it comes to racism, we say that we are great because of our skin color... automatically saying that everybody who looks different from us is somehow inferior.

We can't choose the color of our skin, and yet, we somehow derive an enormous amount of self worth from our race... This is true of Caucasians, Africans, Asians, Native Americans, Pacific Islanders, Latino, etc. Every race has a history to be proud of, but no race (including my own) is better than any other race.

At least that is my theory... :P

Okay. I gave in, curiousity took over my hands, and went to the site. Oh how I wish I wouldn't have.

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."

My question, what exactly is white? I never REALLY understood that. Are you out of the picture if you tan well? What if you have an asian, hispanic, italian, etc person 5 ancestors back? Does that exclude you as well? I had a friend a few years ago with very dark parents but he was albino...does he count as white? What about me? I am caucasian (Irish and Welsh heritage mainly) but I have freckles ALL over, does that make me half brown? Is there a colour term for caucasian with brown spots? I mean you have to be fucking kidding me. I have never REALLY understood the term white. Besides the old friend, I don't know anyone else as white as the colour on my walls or the crayon marked "white" in my kid's crayon box. I guess I'm more of a cream or a beige...maybe khaki? :duh

And what exactly are they having to "fight" to secure an "existence"? Sounds like a lot of inbreeding to me. Crazy fucking people.

To top it all off, they have a YOUTH board?! :wowsers And this is one of the kid's signatures:

If being proud of my race makes me a racist, then I am a racist.

If believing in the ideals of National Socialism makes me a Nazi, I am a Nazi.

However, since you conform to the ideas of race-mixing, then you are race mixer.

And, since you believe that Israel has a right to exist, you are a Zionist.

Also, I am 50% German, 25% British, 15% Scots Irish, and the rest is Norwegian.

And apparently there is a video game called "Ethnic Cleansing"? Seriously? Who let that out of the bag? Someone should be fired and thrown in a pit of spikes.

Okay. I gave in, curiousity took over my hands, and went to the site. Oh how I wish I wouldn't have.

"We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children."

My question, what exactly is white? I never REALLY understood that. Are you out of the picture if you tan well? What if you have an asian, hispanic, italian, etc person 5 ancestors back? Does that exclude you as well? I had a friend a few years ago with very dark parents but he was albino...does he count as white? What about me? I am caucasian (Irish and Welsh heritage mainly) but I have freckles ALL over, does that make me half brown? Is there a colour term for caucasian with brown spots? I mean you have to be fucking kidding me. I have never REALLY understood the term white. Besides the old friend, I don't know anyone else as white as the colour on my walls or the crayon marked "white" in my kid's crayon box. I guess I'm more of a cream or a beige...maybe khaki? :duh

And what exactly are they having to "fight" to secure an "existence"? Sounds like a lot of inbreeding to me. Crazy fucking people.

To top it all off, they have a YOUTH board?! :wowsers And this is one of the kid's signatures:

If being proud of my race makes me a racist, then I am a racist.

If believing in the ideals of National Socialism makes me a Nazi, I am a Nazi.

However, since you conform to the ideas of race-mixing, then you are race mixer.

And, since you believe that Israel has a right to exist, you are a Zionist.

Also, I am 50% German, 25% British, 15% Scots Irish, and the rest is Norwegian.

And apparently there is a video game called "Ethnic Cleansing"? Seriously? Who let that out of the bag? Someone should be fired and thrown in a pit of spikes.

holy wow...

holy wow...

It got worse....much worse. So, I'm done. Deleting my history so I won't be tempted to go back and make an account to...I don't know what. Is there any way that a board like that could be illegal??? Do you think there is anyway to shut it down?

Ignorance.

i believe a whole lot of upbringing and a little bit of personal experience. For example, say you are inclined to be racist already (i.e. mommy and daddy told you that all black/hispanic/asian/non white people are evil terrible people--I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT BUT IT'S AN EXAMPLE) and then you come in contact with a black/hispanic/asian/non white person and they do something that your mommy and daddy told you about then it just solidifies your belief. Now of course you could argue that you were already acting in a way or giving off subtle vibes that made the person act that way but regardless you just had your personal belief system validated.

A lot of it is just ignorance. Most people who hate Jews and believe the jewish stereotype have never really hung out with people they knew were jewish. Same with blacks, etc. People are generally scared of what they don't know.
Also they have no one to blame for something that happened, so they blame a group.

Agreed. People fear what they don't know, and they hate what they fear- which is why the prevalence of racism tends to go down in more educated communities.

I would say an upbringing that promotes close-mindedness or was very sheltered, or many bad experiences with a particular race. My dad is an example of the second. He's not like really racist per say, because he has friends and associates with all races, but there is a stigma there for him as far as a certain "type" of black person goes because of things that happened when they started bussing black kids in while he was in high school. He doesn't openly slam them or make racist comments or jokes though.

i believe a whole lot of upbringing and a little bit of personal experience. For example, say you are inclined to be racist already (i.e. mommy and daddy told you that all black/hispanic/asian/non white people are evil terrible people--I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT BUT IT'S AN EXAMPLE) and then you come in contact with a black/hispanic/asian/non white person and they do something that your mommy and daddy told you about then it just solidifies your belief. Now of course you could argue that you were already acting in a way or giving off subtle vibes that made the person act that way but regardless you just had your personal belief system validated.

I also agree with this, but I think that people who tend to stereotype based on personal experience do so both because of ignorance and the way they were raised. I get SO pissed when people make comments that group an entire race as a whole, based on the way they drive, dress, their education, how they talk, act, etc. I've had bad experiences with people of different races and don't automatically assume that everyone in that particular race is like that, because I was raised to see people as individuals, not as colors/members of a religious group/etc.

It got worse....much worse. So, I'm done. Deleting my history so I won't be tempted to go back and make an account to...I don't know what. Is there any way that a board like that could be illegal??? Do you think there is anyway to shut it down?

The site is ignorant and stupid, but it has a right to exist.

I think each racist's reason for being that way is different. My grandfather is REALLY racist, but my sister and I are far from it. It's not JUST environment or peers. There is a multitude of reasons from family to life experiences to just plain ignorance.

The site is ignorant and stupid, but it has a right to exist.

Even though it promotes the killing and/or mass murdering of certain people? (yes, it is talked about on the board and laughed about) I thought something like that would be completely against any message board providers rules?

Even though it promotes the killing and/or mass murdering of certain people? (yes, it is talked about on the board and laughed about) I thought something like that would be completely against any message board providers rules?

If they aren't posting photos of the acts and/or providing users with the means, it isn't illegal. It's up to the message board providers to determine if it's against their policy. I haven't looked at the site though, so I'm just assuming there isn't any photos of killings or assistance in getting it done.

I think a lot of people are because they feel slighted by something...Maybe they didnt get something because they werent this or that...And that just fuels the fire...

I am not sure what makes someone that way...

september 11th

Idiocy, closed minds, bad upbringing, ignorance and good ol stupidity should cover all the bases!

Ignorance.

Yup! :agree

I once asked a guy who said something racist and he said it was b/c that was how he was brought up. IMO once you get to the age where you can see right from wrong and still choose to be racist, upbringing is no excuse. I was brought up catholic, but I am now baptist.
(not saying one is wrong over the other, baptist was just better for me and its my example:D)

september 11th

That can't make someone racist. Their ignorance and their surroundings, the media they choose to believe, etc are what makes people racist after something like that.

I think it has a lot to do with how we are raised. I mean we all know american history and why whites and blacks hate eachother.. but unfortunately some of the southerners never let go of the past and they pass that hate onto their children. Other times i think it might do with our experiences. just bad memories and stuff. Its a stupid way to be..people are people despite color but some just don't believe that.

I think it has a lot to do with how we are raised. I mean we all know american history and why whites and blacks hate eachother.. but unfortunately some of the southerners never let go of the past and they pass that hate onto their children. Other times i think it might do with our experiences. just bad memories and stuff. Its a stupid way to be..people are people despite color but some just don't believe that.

It's not just Southerners that are racist. There are many different forms of racism. People are racist to blacks, whites, hispanics, middle easterners. To say it's just the Southerners is offensive.

It's not just Southerners that are racist. There are many different forms of racism. People are racist to blacks, whites, hispanics, middle easterners. To say it's just the Southerners is offensive.

:agree

And quite honestly, BEING a southerner, and flame me if you want, but there are more blacks that I come across that haven't "let it go" and are almost racist against themselves than there are whites that haven't "let it go". I have heard PERSONALLY so many times "oh it's because I'm black isn't it?". No, it's because I don't know you and you're making comments like "mmm look at that ass! I'd like to hit that" as a form of a pickup line.

It's not just Southerners that are racist. There are many different forms of racism. People are racist to blacks, whites, hispanics, middle easterners. To say it's just the Southerners is offensive.

ITA. I was raised in Texas and have encountered more racism since I left than I did when I was there- from people everywhere. And to me- and I know plenty of people with disagree with me here- grouping Southerners into a category of "racist" is just as bad as stereotyping people of a particular race. Both involve making assumptions about a person's character/personality/etc and somehow seeing yourself as superior because of these assumptions which may or may not be true. JMO. :dunno

OP

The inability to question "what they were taught" and make a choice on their own.
The inability to accept that not everyone is *just alike* - the world is full of differences and those differences are very important.

ITA. I was raised in Texas and have encountered more racism since I left than I did when I was there- from people everywhere. And to me- and I know plenty of people with disagree with me here- grouping Southerners into a category of "racist" is just as bad as stereotyping people of a particular race. Both involve making assumptions about a person's character/personality/etc and somehow seeing yourself as superior because of these assumptions which may or may not be true. JMO. :dunno

Precisely!

I also agree with this, but I think that people who tend to stereotype based on personal experience do so both because of ignorance and the way they were raised. I get SO pissed when people make comments that group an entire race as a whole, based on the way they drive, dress, their education, how they talk, act, etc. I've had bad experiences with people of different races and don't automatically assume that everyone in that particular race is like that, because I was raised to see people as individuals, not as colors/members of a religious group/etc.

I do the same thing, it irritates me but I've been known to say something like gaah it's an old woman driver or something to that degree when i pass someone slow.

i've had bad experiences with almost all races as well but I don't generalize to all of the people of those race

territory and power.
Its a struggle for power... Who ever is under will get the the bashing.


As for how you PERSONALLY learn to be that way... it completely depends on how you were raised and the values you were taught.

ITA. I was raised in Texas and have encountered more racism since I left than I did when I was there- from people everywhere. And to me- and I know plenty of people with disagree with me here- grouping Southerners into a category of "racist" is just as bad as stereotyping people of a particular race. Both involve making assumptions about a person's character/personality/etc and somehow seeing yourself as superior because of these assumptions which may or may not be true. JMO. :dunno

I'm a Southerner and I'm NOT racist!!

this post reminds me of American History X.
:dunno
ignorance.

I'm a Southerner and I'm NOT racist!!
Woo! Me too! :chest