Rep. Dennis Kucinich warned the House Judiciary Committee that it would be wise not to ignore the 35 articles of impeachment against President Bush last week. If the committee does not act within a month, he plans to introduce even more articles.

The Ohio Democrat and former presidential candidate tells the Washington Post’s Sleuth blog that he’s not giving up his fight to kick Bush out of the White House.

Kucinich tells us he’s giving the House Judiciary Committee 30 days to act on his resolution proposing 35 articles of impeachment against President Bush or else he’ll raise even more hell on the House floor. Thirty-five articles was just the tip of the iceberg. If Judiciary does nothing, he’ll go back to the House floor next month armed with nearly twice as many articles.

“The minute the leadership said ‘this is dead on arrival’ I said that I hope they believe in life after death; because I’m coming back with it,” Kucinich vowed in an interview with the Sleuth this week. “It’s not gonna die. Because I’ll come back with more articles. Not 35, but perhaps 60 articles.”

Elected on a platform of holding the president accountable, the newly Democratic Congress has nonetheless been unwilling to even consider impeachment. A Kucinich-sponsored measure to impeach Vice President Dick Cheney was referred to the Judiciary Committee last November; the Committee has done nothing with it.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has declared impeachment “off the table,” and Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers has been unwilling to cross her. House Democrats simply do not believe they have enough votes to actually impeach Bush or Cheney, and they are unwilling to dwell on the issue with just a few months left in the current administrations’ term.

Kucinich told the Sleuth that he plans to sit down with Conyers this week to try to convince the chairman to consider at least one article of impeachment, which accused Bush for waging a war “based on lies.”

For Kucinich, impeachment is more than simply a political windmill at which to tilt, he says. It’s about preserving the sanctity of the republic’s founding document.

“What we’re witnessing here,” he says, “is the not-so-slow-moving destruction of our Constitution.”

Link to Video in article:
http://rawstory.com/news08/2008/06/18/kucinich-threatens-60-impeachment-articles-if-judiciary-doesnt-act/

“What we’re witnessing here,” he says, “is the not-so-slow-moving destruction of our Constitution.”

While he's entirely correct in this statement...don't you think it's a little LATE to be trying to impeach him now? I mean hell...Clinton went through this for getting his dick sucked and Bush kills thousands of soldiers in a war we never should've gotten into and he doesn't even get a slap on the wrist.

It really shows this country's true colors...chicken yellow and white knuckled.

It is only to late when the next pres takes office. He deserves impeachment and punishment for his part in any war crimes. This person is doing what he feels right despite the fact that Bush's term is almost over I salute that. Besides there is plenty of time left for Bush to do more damage.

Better late than never.

Well then Impeach Congress, too. He couldn't have gone to war without Congress and they approved it.
It's a waste of time at this point.

At least someone remembers that we ARE still at war and people ARE still dying because of that lie and someone should be held responsible for that. How could it possibly be too late when there are American soldiers dying RIGHT NOW? It's never too late to do the right thing.

While he's entirely correct in this statement...don't you think it's a little LATE to be trying to impeach him now? I mean hell...Clinton went through this for getting his dick sucked and Bush kills thousands of soldiers in a war we never should've gotten into and he doesn't even get a slap on the wrist.

It really shows this country's true colors...chicken yellow and white knuckled.

This is NOT why clinton got impeached....gese people he LIED under oath...he commited purgery....that for anyone is against the LAW....it doesn't matter WHY he lied but he did under OATH...that is WHY he was impeached...NOT for getting his dick sucked...I'm so sick of people getting the facts WRONG

This is NOT why clinton got impeached....gese people he LIED under oath...he commited purgery....that for anyone is against the LAW....it doesn't matter WHY he lied but he did under OATH...that is WHY he was impeached...NOT for getting his dick sucked...I'm so sick of people getting the facts WRONG

Whatever, he should have never been questioned about his sex life in the first place. :lol

This is NOT why clinton got impeached....gese people he LIED under oath...he commited purgery....that for anyone is against the LAW....it doesn't matter WHY he lied but he did under OATH...that is WHY he was impeached...NOT for getting his dick sucked...I'm so sick of people getting the facts WRONG

My whole point with that is that was the reason he lied, it was an affair, he got his dick sucked and lied about it. I know the facts, thank you. I was making a point about what was behind his lies compared to what's behind Bush's lies. Bush lied YEARS ago about things that are getting people killed today and he's just now getting called out for it? He and his staff LIED about the Valerie Plame incident which put HER life in danger. He's LIED about a TON of shit and no one's called him out on it in a way that matters until it's nearly too late. By the time anything could actually be done about Bush's lies he'll be out of office.

He shouldn't have been dumb enough to get caught with his pants down in the oval office....He ain't that bright if he leaves evidence behind.....Then he wouldn't have had to have been questioned....so to me he's a dumb ass....

Bush may have lied...but guess what...he hasn't done it in a court room on a bible under oath....Guess what here's a revalation....ALL POLOTICIANS LIE....WOW what concept....just the dumbasses do it under oath and get caught!

Bush may have lied...but guess what...he hasn't done it in a court room on a bible under oath....Guess what here's a revalation....ALL POLOTICIANS LIE....WOW what concept....just the dumbasses do it under oath and get caught!

Lying about a blow job and lying about the reasons for war... I'm sorry but two VERY different things. Blowing off Bush's lie with a "well, every politician lies" excuse is something that I can NOT do.

And if Bush isn't impeached and people keep saying "well, it's too late now" how will Bush ever GET his day in court? His very own day in court is the point of all of this.

This is NOT why clinton got impeached....gese people he LIED under oath...he commited purgery....that for anyone is against the LAW....it doesn't matter WHY he lied but he did under OATH...that is WHY he was impeached...NOT for getting his dick sucked...I'm so sick of people getting the facts WRONG

When Clinton lied, no one died.

Bush may have lied...but guess what...he hasn't done it in a court room on a bible under oath....Guess what here's a revalation....ALL POLOTICIANS LIE....WOW what concept....just the dumbasses do it under oath and get caught!

There are 4000 families of dead servicemembers who don't give a rat's ass about the location of the room in which this massive lie took place, or whether or not there was a Bible involved, not to mention the over 20,000 wounded who are wondering what sort of medical care they're going to get for the rest of their lives. I think your emotional response to this is severely misplaced, and could be put to better use trying to find ways to keep any more American lives from being wasted.

THe point is...He lied in court...That is why he was impeached.....I'm not saying what bush did wasn't wrong.....BUT what I am saying is at this point there isn't a basis of impeachment.....Impeachment are for extreme cases...Clinton was made an example...they had to impeach him bc he LIED under oath if we didn't hold our president to the same judicial standards with perjury then our judical system would have been under a huge scrutiny....Bush made bad decisions YES....I don't argue that...People have died...Yes that is HORRIBLE....I HATE this war....here's the thing though....we have been in HORRIBLE wars before and wars we had NO business in and no one was impeached....no one tried to lynch the president...which is what people are trying to do now....The president is given intellegence....he makes decisions on that....the decisions are not whole heartidly his....yes his is the signiture on the line....but there are MANY others that make the decisions too....The SENTATE And The CONGRESS also balance him out they SUPPORTED him...FUNDING etc....they could have stopped him and DIDN"T.....so guess what the checks and balances obviously didn't work...so we voted and put more democrats in office and guess what still not much change...so now we have a chance to make more change with a new president...There is no point in Lynching someone at this point bc it's not going to change what has happened...It's not going to bring back our brave men and women...It's only vengance at this point...Revenge...and what does that teach future generations...Nothing but HATE.....Let's just let our Democratic system work and VOTE and CHANGE things.....

There is very much a point in holding someone accountable. This administration has taken advantage of the American people, has lied, has twisted patriotism into some sort of scourge on our freedoms..... it disgusts me.

I feel betrayed, but I felt betrayed by Clinton too (I'm a lifelong Democrat). However, beyond the feeling of betrayal, I am disgusted at what this Administration has done to this country both within and outside of our borders. I am hopeful that we will get the opportunity to regain our status as world leaders, not as the biggest, baddest, bossiest bully on the playground.

As if the country doesn't have enough bullsh*t to deal with, let's do this so close to the election. In the middle of a war. With the economy shot to sh*t and gas prices through the roof. This'll solve problems :rolleyes

I dislike Bush as much as the next person, but this is not going to help anything.

As if the country doesn't have enough bullsh*t to deal with, let's do this so close to the election. In the middle of a war. With the economy shot to sh*t and gas prices through the roof. This'll solve problems :rolleyes

I dislike Bush as much as the next person, but this is not going to help anything.

Perfect point...Impeaching won't do anything with what's going on now...there's more important things to focus on than this....I'm pisses at bush but the focus needs to be on other things...

Impeachment for treason wouldn't do anything? Do you know the punishment for treason? :lol I think it would do *something*.

It may not change things now but I do hope Bush gets what's coming to him in the end for all his lies and manipulations. Cheney and Rove as well, if possible! Those three are the true axis of evil!

Sure it won't change the fact that we are in this war, it won't bring back the people who have died, it won't fix the injuries... But if that was a good enough reason to not go through with holding him accountable then why bother putting murderers in jail or sentencing them to executions? Locking them up and executing them won't bring the person they killed back. Why send child molesters to jail? It won't make the molestation go away. Hell, why punish anyone for anything at all? Let's just live in anarchy.

People should be held responsible for their actions.

It is only to late when the next pres takes office. He deserves impeachment and punishment for his part in any war crimes. This person is doing what he feels right despite the fact that Bush's term is almost over I salute that. Besides there is plenty of time left for Bush to do more damage.

ITA. :yes

Sure it won't change the fact that we are in this war, it won't bring back the people who have died, it won't fix the injuries... But if that was a good enough reason to not go through with holding him accountable then why bother putting murderers in jail or sentencing them to executions? Locking them up and executing them won't bring the person they killed back. Why send child molesters to jail? It won't make the molestation go away. Hell, why punish anyone for anything at all? Let's just live in anarchy.

People should be held responsible for their actions.

I'm not arguing with you, trust me! It just makes me mad and upset that it's taken so long for anyone to step up and try to do something about it. It's almost a "why bother now?" feeling because it's been going on for SO long and now he's almost out of office. I do hope he pays for what he did regardless of his title.

I said nothing about letting him get away with anything and I did not say he should not be held accountable. I said this is going to make matters in this country worse right now.

Don't compare Bush's lies to a child molester, ok?

People are dead...I was molested and I'm still kickin'.

I think the two are highly comparable. IMO. :shrug

ummmmm he dodn't commit treason.....so why even say that....and if you all think that Sadam Hussan was an innocent man then you're wrong...there was a Taliban training camp 15 miles out of bagdad...he financially supported them....granted we didn't FIND anything in those labs but the fact that there were there says that at one point there WAS something there....Did you all miss the interviews with scientiest that came out of Iraq that have said they worked on WMD's? we gave them time to get their shit out of that country and they did....they did it underground....I for one am glad Hussan is out of power....

I do think this war has gone on to long and has been mismanaged but so have a lot of things in american history....We live we learn we don't make the same mistake again!

As if the country doesn't have enough bullsh*t to deal with, let's do this so close to the election. In the middle of a war. With the economy shot to sh*t and gas prices through the roof. This'll solve problems :rolleyes

I dislike Bush as much as the next person, but this is not going to help anything.

:thumbsup

Impeachment for treason wouldn't do anything? Do you know the punishment for treason? :lol I think it would do *something*.

One more dead... yup... that will solve it! :)
Not being a smartass, just stating opinion!


I'm just wondering... what is happening with the education financing bills, or the health and welfare reform bills... or maybe even the bills for disaster relief... the flooding in the midwest...

Good for him for standing up for what he believes in.... but there are far more pressing things that need to be taken care of... and he honestly doesn't have that much support or backing on capitol hill so he's not going to get far... wasted money... wasted time... wasted legislation... YET AGAIN!

I find it amusing that people either don't know, or seem to forget, that we gave months worth of warning before going into this war. We gave them PLENTY of time to move the WMD's.

Yup great point..just bc it wasn't there at time of invasion doen't mean it never was....

I'm not arguing with you, trust me! It just makes me mad and upset that it's taken so long for anyone to step up and try to do something about it. It's almost a "why bother now?" feeling because it's been going on for SO long and now he's almost out of office. I do hope he pays for what he did regardless of his title.

I didn't think you were, you just got me thinking...

I said nothing about letting him get away with anything and I did not say he should not be held accountable. I said this is going to make matters in this country worse right now.

Don't compare Bush's lies to a child molester, ok?

I wasn't talking about you specifically, I was talking generally.

As for the comparison I will leave that alone. I know that is a touchy subject for you. Not worth it.


One more dead... yup... that will solve it! :)
Not being a smartass, just stating opinion!


I don't want him dead. I am anti-death penalty. :lol I was just pointing out that impeachment isn't meaningless. ;)

I find it amusing that people either don't know, or seem to forget, that we gave months worth of warning before going into this war. We gave them PLENTY of time to move the WMD's.

Yeah, I don't believe that is what happened since there is NO proof of that, but plenty of proof that the Administration had no evidence of them being there in the first place. I am an evidence kind of girl.

That is the second time in two days that people have said I was sensitive about something and chose not to debate it with me. wth.

Evidence could be classified, not because of the information, but because of HOW we acquired it.

That's all I care to say, mainly because I'm tired of it all.

Yup great point..just bc it wasn't there at time of invasion doen't mean it never was....

There's no evidence there ever were WMDs in Iraq. Even if they had been moved, we had so much surveillance on that place they couldn't have moved mobile home without us knowing about it.

I don't see anywhere in this thread where anyone came even remotely close to saying that Saddam was a good guy, so why throw up that red herring?

I think that with Scott Mcclellan's book detailing what was known and what wasn't known, and the admission by the Administration that "Yeah, that's how it went, just as he described," and the recent release of the report stating that there never was any reasonable evidence of any WMDs in Iraq, if we just let Bush and the Administration quietly slip away, it will be telling Americans that it's okay, we should just expect Government to do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, and by whatever means it wants. That's contrary to the whole basis of "...OF the people, BY the people and FOR the people."

That is the second time in two days that people have said I was sensitive about something and chose not to debate it with me. wth.

Evidence could be classified, not because of the information, but because of HOW we acquired it.

That's all I care to say, mainly because I'm tired of it all.

I am not choosing not to debate with you, I am just not gonna explain why I think that Bush is worse than a child molester because then it could turn personal and I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. If my comparison didn't bother you then you wouldn't have asked me not to make it, so it's obviously a sensitive issue to you in some way, and I don't want to hurt your feelings at all. I happen to like you more than I like debating about Bush. ;)

None of us can say one way or another what is classified and what isn't, so I don't really see the point in debating what if's and maybe's. :dunno

You're right, we can't say what is and isn't classified.

You're right, we can't say what is and isn't classified.

Of course not. That's classified. :D:D:D

Of course not. That's classified. :D:D:D

:giggle...

So, the next logical step is to create our own conspiracy theory... Who wants to start? :D

:giggle...

So, the next logical step is to create our own conspiracy theory... Who wants to start? :D

With all the time I spend around teenagers, I'm just waiting to get Bush on the stand and hear him say, "See, what happened was......"

I'm going with Bush is an alien.

Ooooh, aliens. Okay that's a great start. How about he is an alien that can morph and split so really, the whole government is the same alien and all of the partisan fighting is just a clever ploy to keep us off his/her/its trail? Oh yeah, and the alien smells REALLY REALLY bad.

You're right this counrty is OF the people...that's why there is the election process...and guess what even the elected officals that came into office to correct the problem DIDN"T correct the problem....the senate and the congress could have STOPPED bush and guess what they DIDN"T...so why not hold ALL of them responsible why not send all of them to jail for their parts?

Ooooh, aliens. Okay that's a great start. How about he is an alien that can morph and split so really, the whole government is the same alien and all of the partisan fighting is just a clever ploy to keep us off his/her/its trail? Oh yeah, and the alien smells REALLY REALLY bad.

And can't pronouce words properly.

You're right this counrty is OF the people...that's why there is the election process...and guess what even the elected officals that came into office to correct the problem DIDN"T correct the problem....the senate and the congress could have STOPPED bush and guess what they DIDN"T...so why not hold ALL of them responsible why not send all of them to jail for their parts?

I am ALL FOR sending each and every person who intentionally misled our country into war to jail. Every stinkin' one.

Well there goes Hiliary Clinton.....

Well there goes Hiliary Clinton.....

Did she lie intentionally?

she intentionally voted for the war to continue and to be funded....thus just as bad

I am talking about the people who lied with the intention of getting us into a war. Although I am not happy that ANYONE voted for the war and I think they all at the very least deserve to lose their cushy government jobs for that vote, I do not hold those who were tricked into voting by the lies in the same category as those who did the lying. If it can be proven that Hillary Clinton knew it was all a lie and voted yes anyway then yeah, send her to jail send let her rot too.

As for voting to give funds to the troops after they are already there, yeah, how is that an impeachable offense? I would rather they vote to give the troops money than risk leaving them there with nothing because there is no guarantee that the Administration will actually pull them out if they lose finding instead of just leaving them there as a political ploy to make those who voting against funds look bad. Since they actually threatened that is what will happen if their budget wasn't approved. It wouldn't be the first time the Administration has done something awful for their own gain. Our troops shouldn't have to suffer anymore for other people's mistakes.

http://www-c.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq/

If you guys have time..... there's a freaking phenomenal documentary that PBS did.... that breaks down everything that happened leading up to the start of the war. :yes

http://www-c.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/iraq/

If you guys have time..... there's a freaking phenomenal documentary that PBS did.... that breaks down everything that happened leading up to the start of the war. :yes

I've seen it and I learned a LOT that I didn't know. Excellent documentary.

she intentionally voted for the war to continue and to be funded....thus just as bad

I believe the question was "Did she lie intentionally?" gimme a minute to go back and check..... yep, that was the question: "Did she lie intentionally?"

Seems to be a major-sized storm of red herrings around here.

Colin Powell was the one who presented all the evidence to convince Congress and the UN why to go into Iraq, not Bush. Bush and Congress made the decision based upon what was given to them.

I've seen it and I learned a LOT that I didn't know. Excellent documentary.

Oh good, I'm glad you saw it!!! I knew you'd love it :rofl

I'm going with Bush is an alien.

Robot! ROBOT!

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/

False Pretenses
Following 9/11, President Bush and seven top officials of his administration waged a carefully orchestrated campaign of misinformation about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

By Charles Lewis and Mark Reading-Smith
January 23, 2008

President George W. Bush and seven of his administration's top officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, made at least 935 false statements in the two years following September 11, 2001, about the national security threat posed by Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Nearly five years after the U.S. invasion of Iraq, an exhaustive examination of the record shows that the statements were part of an orchestrated campaign that effectively galvanized public opinion and, in the process, led the nation to war under decidedly false pretenses.

On at least 532 separate occasions (in speeches, briefings, interviews, testimony, and the like), Bush and these three key officials, along with Secretary of State Colin Powell, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, and White House press secretaries Ari Fleischer and Scott McClellan, stated unequivocally that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction (or was trying to produce or obtain them), links to Al Qaeda, or both. This concerted effort was the underpinning of the Bush administration's case for war.

It is now beyond dispute that Iraq did not possess any weapons of mass destruction or have meaningful ties to Al Qaeda. This was the conclusion of numerous bipartisan government investigations, including those by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (2004 and 2006), the 9/11 Commission, and the multinational Iraq Survey Group, whose "Duelfer Report" established that Saddam Hussein had terminated Iraq's nuclear program in 1991 and made little effort to restart it.

Did Powell go before Congress before we invaded iraq? I know he was tasked with making the case before the UN, but I don't remember him taking it to Congress before the invasion.

Colin Powell was the one who presented all the evidence to convince Congress and the UN why to go into Iraq, not Bush. Bush and Congress made the decision based upon what was given to them.

Colin Powell was a puppet. Powell was chosen to make the speech by the Administration because he was the only one with any credibility... and they knew that people would respond to him better than anyone else. (Could you imagine Bush or Cheney delivering that speech? That would've gone off like a fart in church....)

He was given a speech which he did NOT write.... full of 'facts' that were apparently rock solid confirmed by US Intelligence. Just like everyone else....HE was duped. Honestly, I feel bad for the guy. I feel he got screwed over... and his incredible career was completely shattered because of it.

Talk about "taking one for the team". :sadeyes

Robot! ROBOT!

Robotic Antichrist Alien? :dunno

If you don't think Hiliray Clinton didn intentinally lie and didn't "know" anything and voted blindly or that ANY of the people in the sentate congress voted blindly then you're sadly misled....these people are WAY more informed than we are....they get to see things up close and personal...we're only presented a fraction of what they are....so don't think that she or any of the senate or congress is innocent in all of this.....

If you don't think Hiliray Clinton didn intentinally lie and didn't "know" anything and voted blindly or that ANY of the people in the sentate congress voted blindly then you're sadly misled....these people are WAY more informed than we are....they get to see things up close and personal...we're only presented a fraction of what they are....so don't think that she or any of the senate or congress is innocent in all of this.....

It would be easier for me to see your point here if she was the only one. However, there was a whole Congress full of people who voted based on the evidence that was presented.

In a court, the deliberate, willful withholding of evidence would have resulted in a mistrial. Let's take the vote again, standing on the graves of over 4000 dead servicemembers, with the information we now know was available at that time, but that wasn't released.

Yeah robot makes more sense. He does appear controlled by invisible forces.

I was using her as an example bc of her run for the presidency I wasn't saying no one else in those houses we not responsible....