are you for it?.... and post your opinion

Yes while I would love to see some people rot in prison, sadly our prison system does not have the room or the finances to cover feeding/housing/providing medical ect. for years and years and years to some prisoners.

I personally am against the death penalty.
This sums up my thoughts:
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Yes while I would love to see some people rot in prison, sadly our prison system does not have the room or the finances to cover feeding/housing/providing medical ect. for years and years and years to some prisoners.

Yep

yeah i'm for it. i think it should have certain criteria so not anybody can be put to death but for those that commit really horrible acts i'd rather them be gone then pay for them to eat and sleep the rest of their lives.

I personally am against the death penalty.
This sums up my thoughts:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i251/lllashway/vintage%20stuff/7894Why-Do-People-Kill-People-Poste.jpg

I agree. I am and always have been against the death penalty

Yes while I would love to see some people rot in prison, sadly our prison system does not have the room or the finances to cover feeding/housing/providing medical ect. for years and years and years to some prisoners.

:tu

yes im for it all the way! ass hoe's and stupid woman who think they can get away with it all are then one's who should suffor!!! nothing really tragic has ever happen to me but to tell you the truth i hate watching the news and finding out some killer is out on good behavior! wtf is that? oh and another thing ppl who commit dirty horrible crimes such as raping a lil kid! should go through it as well! why would you even want ppl like that in this world that our children lil sisters lil brother live on! i swear if any body dares to even think about hurting my lil brother and sis i swear to god i my self would be in the death penalty!!!!! sorry i get into this topic!!!

Yes while I would love to see some people rot in prison, sadly our prison system does not have the room or the finances to cover feeding/housing/providing medical ect. for years and years and years to some prisoners.

I would say I agree with this but I always have such a soft spot for anyone that dies. Like watching some of the shows that take you through the process and show you everything but the act kind of gets to me, but that's just my emotions.

I am against it because even with DNA evidence the rate of innocent people is too high in my eyes to justify the use of it. Also, while it has become more 'humane' there are still botched executions. And the US is campaigning for China to stop using the death penalty claiming it is a violation of human rights, yet they themselves use death penalty here.

Assuming that only the truly guilty people are executed.... then hell yes I am for it.

It's not about deterrence. It's not about morals.... it's about criminals who cannot be rehabilitated and who are a danger to society, both inside and outside prison walls.

People like these should be executed:

Edmund Kemper, "The Co-ed Killer".... Killed his grandparents at age 15. Was released in his early 20's even though he said he couldn't be trusted. Went on to pick up young female hitchhikers, cut their bodies apart and dispose of them on the beaches. Then, killed his own mother and decapitated her.... and stuck her head on the kitchen table.

Albert Fish, a child-killer and cannibal. Murdered a little girl, ate her body... then wrote a letter to her mother describing how delicious she tasted.

John Wayne Gacy, "The Killer Clown".... kidnapped, raped, tortured and killed 33 boys and young men... then buried most of them in his basement.

Ed Gein, "The Plainfield Ghoul"..... killed at least two people (possibly up to ten)..... the guy who inspired multiple horror movies (Silence of the Lambs, Texas Chainsaw Massacre)..... murdered people and stole corpses from the local cemetary..... and did "arts & crafts" with their bodies.

Jeffrey Dahmer, murdred 17 men and boys..... rape, necrophilia, cannibalism.

Ted Bundy.... confessed to 30 murder, is suspected of 50+. A narcissistic prick who seduced young women... and killed them.

Dennis Rader "The BTK Killer".... Terrorized Wichita, Kansas for over 25 years. Murdered 10 families.... bound, tortured and killed them. This includes hanging an 11-year-old girl in her own basement and masturbating next to the body.

Gary Ridgeway "The Green River Killer".... found guilty of 48 counts of murder, but claims to have committed over 70. Preyed on young runaways and prostitutes.... lured them into his truck, strangled them, and dumped their bodies along the Green River.

Richard Ramirez "The Night Stalker".... quietly broke into homes at night and murdered 10 people. Was found guilty of 13 counts of murder, 5 attempted murders, 11 sexual assaults, and 14 burglaries.

Robert Hansen...... abducted young women in Alaska.... took them to his house where he'd tie them up, rape and torture them for hours..... then take them to the remote wilderness and set them free..... only to hunt them down like animals.



Now... these are all people I thought of off the top of my head. I am of the opinion that sick fucks like these CANNOT BE REHABILITATED. Many of them were sentenced to death... and were either executed, or are currently on death row.

I truly believe the punishment fits the crime. In fact, I think they're getting off easy for the sick shit they did.

Our prison system wouldn't be so full if we didn't send people for MINOR drug offenses to prison JMO.

Once Johnson declared a "war on drugs", look at how much prison rates increased. :shrug

I am for the death penalty, I mean in the cases where they have done something unthinkable and horribly wrong then I think that it's just....there are some horrible people in the world so I'd much rather get rid of one of them then have them back on the streets possibly hurting family/friends/or children

Assuming that only the truly guilty people are executed.... then hell yes I am for it.

It's not about deterrence. It's not about morals.... it's about criminals who cannot be rehabilitated and who are a danger to society, both inside and outside prison walls.

People like these should be executed:

Edmund Kemper, "The Co-ed Killer".... Killed his grandparents at age 15. Was released in his early 20's even though he said he couldn't be trusted. Went on to pick up young female hitchhikers, cut their bodies apart and dispose of them on the beaches. Then, killed his own mother and decapitated her.... and stuck her head on the kitchen table.

Albert Fish, a child-killer and cannibal. Murdered a little girl, ate her body... then wrote a letter to her mother describing how delicious she tasted.

John Wayne Gacy, "The Killer Clown".... kidnapped, raped, tortured and killed 33 boys and young men... then buried most of them in his basement.

Ed Gein, "The Plainfield Ghoul"..... killed at least two people (possibly up to ten)..... the guy who inspired multiple horror movies (Silence of the Lambs, Texas Chainsaw Massacre)..... murdered people and stole corpses from the local cemetary..... and did "arts & crafts" with their bodies.

Jeffrey Dahmer, murdred 17 men and boys..... rape, necrophilia, cannibalism.

Ted Bundy.... confessed to 30 murder, is suspected of 50+. A narcissistic prick who seduced young women... and killed them.

Dennis Rader "The BTK Killer".... Terrorized Wichita, Kansas for over 25 years. Murdered 10 families.... bound, tortured and killed them. This includes hanging an 11-year-old girl in her own basement and masturbating next to the body.

Gary Ridgeway "The Green River Killer".... found guilty of 48 counts of murder, but claims to have committed over 70. Preyed on young runaways and prostitutes.... lured them into his truck, strangled them, and dumped their bodies along the Green River.

Richard Ramirez "The Night Stalker".... quietly broke into homes at night and murdered 10 people. Was found guilty of 13 counts of murder, 5 attempted murders, 11 sexual assaults, and 14 burglaries.

Robert Hansen...... abducted young women in Alaska.... took them to his house where he'd tie them up, rape and torture them for hours..... then take them to the remote wilderness and set them free..... only to hunt them down like animals.



Now... these are all people I thought of off the top of my head. I am of the opinion that sick fucks like these CANNOT BE REHABILITATED. Many of them were sentenced to death... and were either executed, or are currently on death row.

I truly believe the punishment fits the crime. In fact, I think they're getting off easy for the sick shit they did.

:agree completely

oh yeah im all for it!
no one has the right to go around killing ppl and think they can just get away with it, i believe if you kill someone then you should deffinately get the death penalty. jmo

Yep Im all for it!!

Assuming that only the truly guilty people are executed.... then hell yes I am for it.

It's not about deterrence. It's not about morals.... it's about criminals who cannot be rehabilitated and who are a danger to society, both inside and outside prison walls.

People like these should be executed:

Edmund Kemper, "The Co-ed Killer".... Killed his grandparents at age 15. Was released in his early 20's even though he said he couldn't be trusted. Went on to pick up young female hitchhikers, cut their bodies apart and dispose of them on the beaches. Then, killed his own mother and decapitated her.... and stuck her head on the kitchen table.

Albert Fish, a child-killer and cannibal. Murdered a little girl, ate her body... then wrote a letter to her mother describing how delicious she tasted.

John Wayne Gacy, "The Killer Clown".... kidnapped, raped, tortured and killed 33 boys and young men... then buried most of them in his basement.

Ed Gein, "The Plainfield Ghoul"..... killed at least two people (possibly up to ten)..... the guy who inspired multiple horror movies (Silence of the Lambs, Texas Chainsaw Massacre)..... murdered people and stole corpses from the local cemetary..... and did "arts & crafts" with their bodies.

Jeffrey Dahmer, murdred 17 men and boys..... rape, necrophilia, cannibalism.

Ted Bundy.... confessed to 30 murder, is suspected of 50+. A narcissistic prick who seduced young women... and killed them.

Dennis Rader "The BTK Killer".... Terrorized Wichita, Kansas for over 25 years. Murdered 10 families.... bound, tortured and killed them. This includes hanging an 11-year-old girl in her own basement and masturbating next to the body.

Gary Ridgeway "The Green River Killer".... found guilty of 48 counts of murder, but claims to have committed over 70. Preyed on young runaways and prostitutes.... lured them into his truck, strangled them, and dumped their bodies along the Green River.

Richard Ramirez "The Night Stalker".... quietly broke into homes at night and murdered 10 people. Was found guilty of 13 counts of murder, 5 attempted murders, 11 sexual assaults, and 14 burglaries.

Robert Hansen...... abducted young women in Alaska.... took them to his house where he'd tie them up, rape and torture them for hours..... then take them to the remote wilderness and set them free..... only to hunt them down like animals.



Now... these are all people I thought of off the top of my head. I am of the opinion that sick fucks like these CANNOT BE REHABILITATED. Many of them were sentenced to death... and were either executed, or are currently on death row.

I truly believe the punishment fits the crime. In fact, I think they're getting off easy for the sick shit they did.

This is EXACTLY why I agree with the death penalty. I agree with you whole-heartedly.

Although, I must admit....it kinda scares me that you just thought of all those off the top of your head! LOL!

I am completely for it. Eye for an eye. I think that if you commit a heinous crimes, then you should have the same thing done to you. you blow someone up, you should be blown up. you shoot someone, you should be shot. do unto others I guess.

:edit and I think it should be done as soon as possible after they are proven guilty. Why should I pay for them to be in prison with Tv and cable?

I'm against it in almost all cases- I don't think it deters crime, I don't think it gives families closure (obviously I couldn't know unless I were in that situation, but it seems like it would not allow them to get closure until after the killer is executed, prolonging the grieving process), I don't think it saves money (although I understand the reasoning of not wanting our tax dollars to go to keep murderers alive)...and I think it assigns certain victims a lower life worth...i.e., if someone is executed for killing person A, but the killer of person B is given life in prison, it seems that it would be saying that killing person A was a crime worthy of death while killing person B was not (I know there's more to it than that, but just my personal opinion- won't expand on it further).

What I DO think should be done is for the prisons to be made more intolerable in order to deter crime- in my opinion, that would be more of a punishment than an "easy out", not that lethal injection is an easy death (I've actually heard it's the most painful method of capital punishment, the firing squad being the least- it may look easy because the people die silently- but they feel everything-what-suffocation and stopping of the heart?-I don't know what each of the drugs do- they just can't move or show any pain).

On most things I am very liberal but the death penalty is not one of them. In fact I don't think we use it enough. You go to jail for killing someone, unless there are extremely extenuating circumstances, and I don't think my tax dollars should be used to help you in any way- how about they do to health care for kids. People who commit crimes against children? Oh don't even get me started on that one! And Gillian_Angela I totally agree that there are way to many people imprisoned for stupid shit that could be dealt with in much better ways.

I am for it, but think it should be used sparingly and they better be damn sure it's the right person. But there's never any guarantees. But there's some sick MFers out there I would love to throw the switch on. I hate to think I'm supporting their ass in better accomodations than they would have had on the outside after they do some seriously horrific stuff. Somehow doesn't seem right for the victims and their families.

I'm for it on an EXTREMELY case-by-case basis.

depends i mean i would hate to see an innocent person killed for a stupid judge but rapist or murders. oh yes they need it.

Assuming that only the truly guilty people are executed.... then hell yes I am for it.

It's not about deterrence. It's not about morals.... it's about criminals who cannot be rehabilitated and who are a danger to society, both inside and outside prison walls.

People like these should be executed:

Edmund Kemper, "The Co-ed Killer".... Killed his grandparents at age 15. Was released in his early 20's even though he said he couldn't be trusted. Went on to pick up young female hitchhikers, cut their bodies apart and dispose of them on the beaches. Then, killed his own mother and decapitated her.... and stuck her head on the kitchen table.

Albert Fish, a child-killer and cannibal. Murdered a little girl, ate her body... then wrote a letter to her mother describing how delicious she tasted.

John Wayne Gacy, "The Killer Clown".... kidnapped, raped, tortured and killed 33 boys and young men... then buried most of them in his basement.

Ed Gein, "The Plainfield Ghoul"..... killed at least two people (possibly up to ten)..... the guy who inspired multiple horror movies (Silence of the Lambs, Texas Chainsaw Massacre)..... murdered people and stole corpses from the local cemetary..... and did "arts & crafts" with their bodies.

Jeffrey Dahmer, murdred 17 men and boys..... rape, necrophilia, cannibalism.

Ted Bundy.... confessed to 30 murder, is suspected of 50+. A narcissistic prick who seduced young women... and killed them.

Dennis Rader "The BTK Killer".... Terrorized Wichita, Kansas for over 25 years. Murdered 10 families.... bound, tortured and killed them. This includes hanging an 11-year-old girl in her own basement and masturbating next to the body.

Gary Ridgeway "The Green River Killer".... found guilty of 48 counts of murder, but claims to have committed over 70. Preyed on young runaways and prostitutes.... lured them into his truck, strangled them, and dumped their bodies along the Green River.

Richard Ramirez "The Night Stalker".... quietly broke into homes at night and murdered 10 people. Was found guilty of 13 counts of murder, 5 attempted murders, 11 sexual assaults, and 14 burglaries.

Robert Hansen...... abducted young women in Alaska.... took them to his house where he'd tie them up, rape and torture them for hours..... then take them to the remote wilderness and set them free..... only to hunt them down like animals.



Now... these are all people I thought of off the top of my head. I am of the opinion that sick fucks like these CANNOT BE REHABILITATED. Many of them were sentenced to death... and were either executed, or are currently on death row.

I truly believe the punishment fits the crime. In fact, I think they're getting off easy for the sick shit they did.

:hail :hail
On most things I am very liberal but the death penalty is not one of them. In fact I don't think we use it enough. You go to jail for killing someone, unless there are extremely extenuating circumstances, and I don't think my tax dollars should be used to help you in any way- how about they do to health care for kids. People who commit crimes against children? Oh don't even get me started on that one! And Gillian_Angela I totally agree that there are way to many people imprisoned for stupid shit that could be dealt with in much better ways.

DEF agree!!

YESSSSSSSSSSSS

my mom just got out of prison.....
.and she misses it.

when i went to visit her, THEY HAD EFFING STARBUCKS!

WTF!

and it wasnt very strict at all,

pfffffffft new plan, send the inmates to bootcamp, duh!

On most things I am very liberal but the death penalty is not one of them. In fact I don't think we use it enough. You go to jail for killing someone, unless there are extremely extenuating circumstances, and I don't think my tax dollars should be used to help you in any way- how about they do to health care for kids. People who commit crimes against children? Oh don't even get me started on that one! And Gillian_Angela I totally agree that there are way to many people imprisoned for stupid shit that could be dealt with in much better ways.
I agree about not using it enough either. ( although here in texas that isn't an issue. :lol
The crimes against kids thing, the supreme court had a valid point. The death penalty is for the utmost crime for taking anothers physical life. If we start using it for other crimes then soon no crime will be too petty to administer the death penalty. Personally I hate seeing people in prison day after day, staying execution. I think that the process should be shorter thorough but shorter.

:edit I also think that prison shouldn't be a luxury cruise that it is turning into.

I'm not really for it, but I don't like my tax dollars spent on TV, gyms, college. I don't get that stuff for free, why should they. I like the idea they do in Arizona, it costs 7 dollars a day to keep a prisoner, they grow there own food and if they cross the line they get shot. I think we should set one up in Death Valley.......

This is EXACTLY why I agree with the death penalty. I agree with you whole-heartedly.

Although, I must admit....it kinda scares me that you just thought of all those off the top of your head! LOL!

:lol I just took a Criminology class on serial killers. It's fresh in my mind. :)

I'm against it in almost all cases- I don't think it deters crime, I don't think it gives families closure (obviously I couldn't know unless I were in that situation, but it seems like it would not allow them to get closure until after the killer is executed, prolonging the grieving process), I don't think it saves money (although I understand the reasoning of not wanting our tax dollars to go to keep murderers alive)...and I think it assigns certain victims a lower life worth...i.e., if someone is executed for killing person A, but the killer of person B is given life in prison, it seems that it would be saying that killing person A was a crime worthy of death while killing person B was not (I know there's more to it than that, but just my personal opinion- won't expand on it further).

What I DO think should be done is for the prisons to be made more intolerable in order to deter crime- in my opinion, that would be more of a punishment than an "easy out", not that lethal injection is an easy death (I've actually heard it's the most painful method of capital punishment, the firing squad being the least- it may look easy because the people die silently- but they feel everything-what-suffocation and stopping of the heart?-I don't know what each of the drugs do- they just can't move or show any pain).

It's not about deterring crime. The types of people who commit these heinous crimes could care less..... they're gonna do it either way. Sometimes they even do it FOR the attention. And it's not really about closure either (although I do believe it does provide closure for some families).

And no, unfortunately it's not cheaper.... because of appeal costs.

I don't believe it devalues any victims. While it's not always fair or across the board how punishments are doled out.... they often plea bargain with the criminals for a variety of reasons... to find the locations of more victims... to capture other bad guys... etc.

Anyway.... it's about ending a problem. Like I said in my first post.... these are not people who can be rehabilitated. They cannot be "fixed." Life in prison doesn't phase a sociopath.

I am against the death penalty. As long as there is any room for human error in the process of trial (and there will always be that because it is carried out by, well, humans) I am not comfortable with a punishment as final as death. The rate of error resulting in exoneration of people who are ON death row is proof that the system is not infallible and even ONE innocent person being executed is too many.

The thing that pisses me off, is so many criminals will go to prison because it is GLORIOUS! Gang members come out even "tougher" than when they went in and are even more dangerous.

:sigh

yep
all for it!
i also think child molesters should get death.

Completely against it.

No HUMAN has the right to take another persons life. The prisoner may have done something beyond heinous and terrible, but 2 wrongs do not make a right in my book.

Only time I think it's justifiable to kill a person is when it's in self defense.

I am not for the death penalty. I agree that there are definitely people who cant be rehabilitated... but where do you draw the line for who can be rehabilitated?

I am personally all for taking all the luxuries out of prison. You get a stone hole in the wall to live in and pace around. You don't get cable, you don't get internet, you don't get good food (I'm all for the bread and water diet... I'm even nice enough to throw in some broccoli and maybe an apple) If you have been quiet and on good behavior then you will be allowed a visitor once in a while.
Prison should be PUNISHMENT.... it'll take away from people who repeat offenses because they don't feel it was a big deal, and it will take away from those who repeat offenses to get back in because life in prison is easier than trying to make it on the streets again.

I am also for helping prisoners who truly WANT to be better citizens get a job and get out of the bad place they were in. Often, just moving them out of their old city into a new location and people can help them not repeat offenses.

I am not for the death penalty. I agree that there are definitely people who cant be rehabilitated... but where do you draw the line for who can be rehabilitated?

I am personally all for taking all the luxuries out of prison. You get a stone hole in the wall to live in and pace around. You don't get cable, you don't get internet, you don't get good food (I'm all for the bread and water diet... I'm even nice enough to throw in some broccoli and maybe an apple) If you have been quiet and on good behavior then you will be allowed a visitor once in a while.
Prison should be PUNISHMENT.... it'll take away from people who repeat offenses because they don't feel it was a big deal, and it will take away from those who repeat offenses to get back in because life in prison is easier than trying to make it on the streets again.

I am also for helping prisoners who truly WANT to be better citizens get a job and get out of the bad place they were in. Often, just moving them out of their old city into a new location and people can help them not repeat offenses.

Absolutely agree.

I personally am against the death penalty.
This sums up my thoughts:
http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i251/lllashway/vintage%20stuff/7894Why-Do-People-Kill-People-Poste.jpg
:agree excatly

It's not about deterring crime. The types of people who commit these heinous crimes could care less..... they're gonna do it either way.



I love the crime deterrent argument. All I want to know is, if the death penalty deters crime why are there still so many people ending up on death row? I mean, if it is supposed to deter crime shouldn't there have been a SIGNIFICANT drop in the death row population by now (one not brought about by having executed residents)?

Yes, some crimes need the ultimate penalty.

I am for the death penalty. Not for deterring crime, but for penalizing criminals who commit heinous crimes. No, two wrongs don't make a right, but neither does sitting somebody in jail, paying for all their food and healthcare and housing for the remainder of their life and possibly even things like college classes, etc. I wish the death penalty were carried out much quicker. I think the appeals process should take no longer than 3 yrs.

The thing that pisses me off, is so many criminals will go to prison because it is GLORIOUS! Gang members come out even "tougher" than when they went in and are even more dangerous.

:sigh

I agree with that. I have no idea what the solution is. We have FAR too many prisoners. Not enough space and not enough guards. Throw in the bad guard or two and OMGosh it's mayhem

Completely against it.

No HUMAN has the right to take another persons life. The prisoner may have done something beyond heinous and terrible, but 2 wrongs do not make a right in my book.

Only time I think it's justifiable to kill a person is when it's in self defense.

But one could agree that if it's a sociopath then it's in self defense of the world.

I'm against the death penalty. I'd rather lock them up for life (it's cheaper than killing them), in a prison life they would NOT like to be living. It is hypocritical for us to kill, and we have killed a lot of innocent people.

Assuming that only the truly guilty people are executed.... then hell yes I am for it.

It's not about deterrence. It's not about morals.... it's about criminals who cannot be rehabilitated and who are a danger to society, both inside and outside prison walls.

People like these should be executed:

Edmund Kemper, "The Co-ed Killer".... Killed his grandparents at age 15. Was released in his early 20's even though he said he couldn't be trusted. Went on to pick up young female hitchhikers, cut their bodies apart and dispose of them on the beaches. Then, killed his own mother and decapitated her.... and stuck her head on the kitchen table.

Albert Fish, a child-killer and cannibal. Murdered a little girl, ate her body... then wrote a letter to her mother describing how delicious she tasted.

John Wayne Gacy, "The Killer Clown".... kidnapped, raped, tortured and killed 33 boys and young men... then buried most of them in his basement.

Ed Gein, "The Plainfield Ghoul"..... killed at least two people (possibly up to ten)..... the guy who inspired multiple horror movies (Silence of the Lambs, Texas Chainsaw Massacre)..... murdered people and stole corpses from the local cemetary..... and did "arts & crafts" with their bodies.

Jeffrey Dahmer, murdred 17 men and boys..... rape, necrophilia, cannibalism.

Ted Bundy.... confessed to 30 murder, is suspected of 50+. A narcissistic prick who seduced young women... and killed them.

Dennis Rader "The BTK Killer".... Terrorized Wichita, Kansas for over 25 years. Murdered 10 families.... bound, tortured and killed them. This includes hanging an 11-year-old girl in her own basement and masturbating next to the body.

Gary Ridgeway "The Green River Killer".... found guilty of 48 counts of murder, but claims to have committed over 70. Preyed on young runaways and prostitutes.... lured them into his truck, strangled them, and dumped their bodies along the Green River.

Richard Ramirez "The Night Stalker".... quietly broke into homes at night and murdered 10 people. Was found guilty of 13 counts of murder, 5 attempted murders, 11 sexual assaults, and 14 burglaries.

Robert Hansen...... abducted young women in Alaska.... took them to his house where he'd tie them up, rape and torture them for hours..... then take them to the remote wilderness and set them free..... only to hunt them down like animals.



Now... these are all people I thought of off the top of my head. I am of the opinion that sick fucks like these CANNOT BE REHABILITATED. Many of them were sentenced to death... and were either executed, or are currently on death row.

I truly believe the punishment fits the crime. In fact, I think they're getting off easy for the sick shit they did.


I agree. Several of those came to mind for me as well when I read the OP. I know that some people are killed for somebody else's crime, however people like this, who are 110% guilty, who confess and so forth - these people I do believe need to be put to death with no questions asked. I too agree that they are getting off easy compared to what they have done to others.

Since 1973, 129 people who were on death row have been exonerated. In 2003 alone, TWELVE people who had been sentenced to death were proven to be innocent of the crime for which they were convicted and released from death row. Additionally, several people have been executed despite legitemate doubt/question of their guilt - yes, most convicted persons will continue to proclaim their innocences, but I am referring to cases in which witnesses later recanted their testimony, evidence was disproven, advances in science called into question earlier findings, etc. The point is, it is NOT fool proof. If you sentence someone to life in prison and find out they are inncoent, you can set them free. If you execute someone and then find out they were innocent what's the "take back" for that?

I am anti-death penalty. I think it is... stooping, I guess. I know there is a better word but I am still to incoherent to think of it. :P

yes im for it all the way! ass hoe's and stupid woman who think they can get away with it all are then one's who should suffor!!! nothing really tragic has ever happen to me but to tell you the truth i hate watching the news and finding out some killer is out on good behavior! wtf is that? oh and another thing ppl who commit dirty horrible crimes such as raping a lil kid! should go through it as well! why would you even want ppl like that in this world that our children lil sisters lil brother live on! i swear if any body dares to even think about hurting my lil brother and sis i swear to god i my self would be in the death penalty!!!!! sorry i get into this topic!!!I think that the criminal who molests children would get WORSE treatment in jail then they would getting the death penalty. Think of it, majority of the guys in jail probably have children and do you REALLY think that guy who killed/raped a child would get special treatment in jail? I'd rather see people get what they deserve in jail, get the shit beaten out of them every day and doubt the guards would do much about it cause they have children too.

There are much better uses for people who commit horrendous crimes like that anyway... Why kill them when they could be testing medications that are being developed to save the lives of people who are dying even though they did nothing wrong? People on the outside are paid money to risk their lives and participate in medical trials... why not use death row inmates for free? Then the drugs will cost less for the people who need them because the cost to develop them will go down.

I put hard to say.

I need to know the case in order to say yes or no for that one. I really can't generalize.

There are much better uses for people who commit horrendous crimes like that anyway... Why kill them when they could be testing medications that are being developed to save the lives of people who are dying even though they did nothing wrong? People on the outside are paid money to risk their lives and participate in medical trials... why not use death row inmates for free? Then the drugs will cost less for the people who need them because the cost to develop them will go down.

That is an awesome idea! Put them to WORK rather than just offing them.

I am also thinking about Silence of the lambs and how hannibal helped catch the killer in that movie.... Serial kills could potentially help us catch others before too many people have to die.

Im for it... If you kill someone you should suffer the same way your victim did...

It's not about deterring crime. The types of people who commit these heinous crimes could care less..... they're gonna do it either way. Sometimes they even do it FOR the attention. And it's not really about closure either (although I do believe it does provide closure for some families).

And no, unfortunately it's not cheaper.... because of appeal costs.

I don't believe it devalues any victims. While it's not always fair or across the board how punishments are doled out.... they often plea bargain with the criminals for a variety of reasons... to find the locations of more victims... to capture other bad guys... etc.

Anyway.... it's about ending a problem. Like I said in my first post.... these are not people who can be rehabilitated. They cannot be "fixed." Life in prison doesn't phase a sociopath.

Let me reword...not trying to get you to agree with me, but I think that maybe my first post wasn't clear. I don't think it devalues the individual victims, but I think that perhaps it gives a certain message if there is a tendency to execute criminals from a low socioeconomic status, minorities, people who "look" bad (I've seen trials with people who committed hideous crimes but didn't "look" like a killer, and I had a hard time believing they could have done it, even in the face of overwhelming evidence), etc, or if there is a tendency not to execute criminals whose victims were disadvantaged, somehow marginalized by society. If that makes sense. I mean when you look at the data (and I haven't done this in awhile) but I thought there was a pretty strong trend towards executing blacks who kill whites, but almost no whites who kill blacks. Also, I guess this goes along the same lines, but what about defendants who can't afford a good attorney? I just don't think it's equitable, and when lives are at stake, that's unacceptable to me.

Oh, let me add: I do understand though that people who have been given life in prison have nothing left to lose and could pose a danger to other prisoners or people who work in the prisons- I just...I mean to me, it just seems like there are better ways to make sure that they don't hurt anyone else. I'm able to see both sides.

I do understand that, although life in prison may cost less than the death penalty, perhaps society (and in particular, the family members of victims) would have a hard time seeing their tax dollars go to keeping murderers alive. I get that.

I don't really think a lot of them can be rehabilitated either, I don't think that's where we should be focusing our energies and our resources. Like several of you have already said, I think prisons should be stripped down the the basics...like the prison run by Joe Arpaio. I think that would faze even the worst of criminals...no, they may not regret what they've done, but they sure as hell won't enjoy their time in prison.

ABSOFREAKINLUTELY!!!! Best day of my life is when they FINALLY executed Danny Rolling. I was at Gainesville when this fucker was there and lost two very dear friends.

http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061026/LOCAL/210260370

This is EXACTLY why I agree with the death penalty. I agree with you whole-heartedly.

Although, I must admit....it kinda scares me that you just thought of all those off the top of your head! LOL!

LOL - you know, I had that same thought... WOW! :teehee

LOL - you know, I had that same thought... WOW! :teehee

I'm a CJ major!!! Gimme a break!!! :lol

Kill 'em all and let The Jesus sort 'em out.

Let me reword...not trying to get you to agree with me, but I think that maybe my first post wasn't clear. I don't think it devalues the individual victims, but I think that perhaps it gives a certain message if there is a tendency to execute criminals from a low socioeconomic status, minorities, people who "look" bad (I've seen trials with people who committed hideous crimes but didn't "look" like a killer, and I had a hard time believing they could have done it, even in the face of overwhelming evidence), etc, or if there is a tendency not to execute criminals whose victims were disadvantaged, somehow marginalized by society. If that makes sense. I mean when you look at the data (and I haven't done this in awhile) but I thought there was a pretty strong trend towards executing blacks who kill whites, but almost no whites who kill blacks. Also, I guess this goes along the same lines, but what about defendants who can't afford a good attorney? I just don't think it's equitable, and when lives are at stake, that's unacceptable to me.

Oh, I TOTALLY see where you're coming from, with the statistics like that. Obviously our justice system isn't perfect. I honestly couldn't tell you if it's because blacks commit crimes more often than whites.... or if whites just aren't caught as often. I do believe, however, that socioeconomic factors definitely come into play.

Have you noticed crimes (in any form) rising as the economy keeps going to shit?

Oh, let me add: I do understand though that people who have been given life in prison have nothing left to lose and could pose a danger to other prisoners or people who work in the prisons- I just...I mean to me, it just seems like there are better ways to make sure that they don't hurt anyone else. I'm able to see both sides.

I do understand that, although life in prison may cost less than the death penalty, perhaps society (and in particular, the family members of victims) would have a hard time seeing their tax dollars go to keeping murderers alive. I get that.

I don't really think a lot of them can be rehabilitated either, I don't think that's where we should be focusing our energies and our resources. Like several of you have already said, I think prisons should be stripped down the the basics...like the prison run by Joe Arpaio. I think that would faze even the worst of criminals...no, they may not regret what they've done, but they sure as hell won't enjoy their time in prison.

And I totally understand where you're coming from here. I also can understand both sides... but I guess you're a lot nicer than I am :lol. I say, if found guilty.... and there's 100% NO DOUBT that they did the crime (and they have physical proof... DNA evidence... a body.... etc... not just "circumstantial evidence").... then they should fry. I have a really hard time mustering sympathy for monsters.

I also believe that we need to be more resourceful with money, like Arpaio has been. There's a whole lot of things prisoners could be doing besides laying on their asses, watching HBO, and lifting weights.

Oh, I TOTALLY see where you're coming from, with the statistics like that. Obviously our justice system isn't perfect. I honestly couldn't tell you if it's because blacks commit crimes more often than whites.... or if whites just aren't caught as often. I do believe, however, that socioeconomic factors definitely come into play.

Have you noticed crimes (in any form) rising as the economy keeps going to shit?



And I totally understand where you're coming from here. I also can understand both sides... but I guess you're a lot nicer than I am :lol. I say, if found guilty.... and there's 100% NO DOUBT that they did the crime (and they have physical proof... DNA evidence... a body.... etc... not just "circumstantial evidence").... then they should fry. I have a really hard time mustering sympathy for monsters.

I also believe that we need to be more resourceful with money, like Arpaio has been. There's a whole lot of things prisoners could be doing besides laying on their asses, watching HBO, and lifting weights.

Oh I'm not nice at all. :lmao I don't have any sympathy, I just think things like this are bullshit:

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=45&did=539

The race of the defendant is not supposed to influence whether a person is sentenced to death, but in Philadelphia it clearly does. (See Chart above.) Murders by blacks are treated as more severe and "deserving" of the death penalty because of the defendant's race. Being a black defendant merits a score of 1.4 in predicting whether a death sentence will ultimately result. This extra burden for black defendants is comparable to such legitimate aggravating factors as torture or "causing great harm, fear or pain," which earned scores of 1.9 and 1.0 respectively, in predicting the sentence. Stated differently, in Philadelphia, the capital sentencing statute has operated as though being black was not merely a physical attribute, but as if it were one of the most important aggravating factors actually justifying the death penalty.

The race of the defendant is a much stronger predictor that a case will result in a death sentence than the fact that the crime was committed along with another felony (0.8) or that the defendant killed with multiple stab wounds (0.9). Either when the prosecutor decides to seek the death penalty in a particular case, or when the jury decides that death is the appropriate sentence, on average, black defendants are considered "worse," regardless of the other factors in their case.

(I just took out pieces of it, obviously, so I don't know if the numbers make sense- there's a lot of information.)

Adjusted jury sentencing rate among all eligible cases:
Black defendant/non black victim: .21
Black defendant/black victim: .18
Black: .19
Non-black defendant/non black victim: .14
Non-black defendant/black victim: .03
Non-black: .13

I stole that straight from the same website. So I guess of 100 blacks who are eligible for the death penalty, overall an average of 19 are sentenced, compared to 13 of 100 non-blacks. Only 3% of blacks killed by a non-black defendant are executed, compared to 21% of non-blacks killed by blacks. :puzz These are just Philadelphia statistics I think, so I'm not sure how representative it is.

When people of color are killed in the inner city, when homeless people are killed, when the "nobodies" are killed, district attorneys do not seek to avenge their deaths. Black, Hispanic, or poor families who have a loved one murdered not only don't expect the district attorney's office to pursue the death penalty--which, of course, is both costly and time consuming--but are surprised when the case is prosecuted at all.

Nationally, in 82% of the studies, race of victim was found to influence the likelihood of being charged with capital murder or receiving a death sentence, i.e., those who murdered whites were found to be more likely to be sentenced to death than those who murdered blacks. This finding was remarkably consistent across data sets, states, data collection methods, and analytic techniques. The finding held for high, medium, and low quality studies.

Here's another link, same website. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/getcat.php?cid=3

Anyway.

Assuming that only the truly guilty people are executed.... then hell yes I am for it.

It's not about deterrence. It's not about morals.... it's about criminals who cannot be rehabilitated and who are a danger to society, both inside and outside prison walls.
People like these should be executed:

Edmund Kemper, "The Co-ed Killer".... Killed his grandparents at age 15. Was released in his early 20's even though he said he couldn't be trusted. Went on to pick up young female hitchhikers, cut their bodies apart and dispose of them on the beaches. Then, killed his own mother and decapitated her.... and stuck her head on the kitchen table.

Albert Fish, a child-killer and cannibal. Murdered a little girl, ate her body... then wrote a letter to her mother describing how delicious she tasted.

John Wayne Gacy, "The Killer Clown".... kidnapped, raped, tortured and killed 33 boys and young men... then buried most of them in his basement.

Ed Gein, "The Plainfield Ghoul"..... killed at least two people (possibly up to ten)..... the guy who inspired multiple horror movies (Silence of the Lambs, Texas Chainsaw Massacre)..... murdered people and stole corpses from the local cemetary..... and did "arts & crafts" with their bodies.

Jeffrey Dahmer, murdred 17 men and boys..... rape, necrophilia, cannibalism.

Ted Bundy.... confessed to 30 murder, is suspected of 50+. A narcissistic prick who seduced young women... and killed them.

Dennis Rader "The BTK Killer".... Terrorized Wichita, Kansas for over 25 years. Murdered 10 families.... bound, tortured and killed them. This includes hanging an 11-year-old girl in her own basement and masturbating next to the body.

Gary Ridgeway "The Green River Killer".... found guilty of 48 counts of murder, but claims to have committed over 70. Preyed on young runaways and prostitutes.... lured them into his truck, strangled them, and dumped their bodies along the Green River.

Richard Ramirez "The Night Stalker".... quietly broke into homes at night and murdered 10 people. Was found guilty of 13 counts of murder, 5 attempted murders, 11 sexual assaults, and 14 burglaries.

Robert Hansen...... abducted young women in Alaska.... took them to his house where he'd tie them up, rape and torture them for hours..... then take them to the remote wilderness and set them free..... only to hunt them down like animals.



Now... these are all people I thought of off the top of my head. I am of the opinion that sick fucks like these CANNOT BE REHABILITATED. Many of them were sentenced to death... and were either executed, or are currently on death row.

I truly believe the punishment fits the crime. In fact, I think they're getting off easy for the sick shit they did.

:agree

Took the words right out of my mouth!

The bolded is what I think alot of people forget about. If lets say 3 of these people would be set free what harm would befall humanity for that mistake? They have problems that can't be fixed because most of them won't admit they have a problem. Bundy he stood in court with a stone cold face, had no sadness for his crimes. Do people really want the prospect of someone like him being let loss into the world again only to do god-knows what?