View Full Version : Birth Control and IUDs now to be defined as Abortion
mpicky 07-24-2008, 09:35 AM NEW YORK (Reuters) - A Bush administration plan to define several widely used contraception methods as abortion is a "gratuitous, unnecessary insult" to women and faces tough opposition, Sen. Hillary Clinton said on Friday.
The former Democratic presidential candidate joined family planning groups to condemn the proposal that defines abortion to include contraception such as birth control pills and intrauterine devices.
It would cut off federal funds to hospitals and states where medical providers are obligated to offer legal abortion and contraception to women.
"We will not put up with this radical, ideological agenda to turn the clock back on women's rights," the New York senator told a joint news conference with New York Rep. Nita Lowey, also a Democrat, at Bellevue Hospital.
"Women would watch their contraceptive coverage disappear overnight," said Clinton.
The planned rule is aimed at countering recent state laws enacted to ensure that women can get contraception when they want or need it. It also would help protect the rights of medical providers to refuse to offer contraception.
Clinton said she has written a letter with Patty Murray, a Democrat senator from Washington, to Health and Human Services Secretary Mike Leavitt asking him to reconsider and reject the release of the proposed rules.
She also urged people to sign a petition on her website, www.hillpac.com, against the proposed changes.
"Our first effort is to get the Bush administration to rescind the regulation, not issue in its current form," Clinton said. "If that doesn't succeed, we're going to be looking for legislative steps that we can take to prevent this regulation from ever going into effect."
A copy of a memo that appears to be an Department of Health and Human Services draft provided to Reuters this week carries a broad definition of abortion as any procedures, including prescription drugs, "that result in the termination of the life of a human being in utero between conception and natural birth, whether before or after implantation."
Conception occurs when egg and sperm unite in the Fallopian tubes. It takes three to four days before the fertilized egg implants in the uterus. Several birth control methods interfere with this, including the birth control pill and IUDs.
"If enacted, these rules will make birth control out of reach for some women. That's a sure way to guarantee more unintended pregnancies and more abortions," said Anne Davis of Physicians for Reproductive Choice and Health.
(Editing by Ellen Wulfhorst and Eric Beech)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/abortion_usa_clinton_dc
mpicky 07-24-2008, 09:38 AM Wow, just wow. That is all I can say to this. This man has no respect or regard for women. I really feel that women have been set back decades under his administration.
This also ties in to the vote McCain cast for insurance to cover Viagra, but not birth control. So, he feels that a man getting an erection is more important than a woman being able to prevent pregnancy. This is from the same man that says then that as long as the woman consents to sex, she shoud be stuck with the baby.
Amberly 07-24-2008, 09:41 AM This is complete and utter bullshit.
cand8ce 07-24-2008, 09:42 AM This is complete and utter bullshit.
:agree
it's definitely bullshit.
mpicky 07-24-2008, 09:44 AM Go to the website (it is in the article) and sign the petition, I did it earlier this week.
LaneyBug 07-24-2008, 09:46 AM I'm not really sure why it would need another classification. What is the point?
Amberly 07-24-2008, 09:46 AM You know what I want to know...what he is hoping to accomplish by this? I mean does he want TONS of children that we all have to provide for because their parents can't afford them or just completely don't want them?
Teresa 07-24-2008, 09:49 AM There has got to be more to the story than that.
mpicky 07-24-2008, 09:52 AM I'm not really sure why it would need another classification. What is the point?
One point is to take away federal funding of those clinics that offer abortion (including contraception now). Another point is to allow insurance companies to not cover birth control. One more point would be in preparation for striking down RvW.
mpicky 07-24-2008, 09:53 AM There has got to be more to the story than that.
As of now, the bill doesn't do anything, but having that definition in could affect many things in the near or far future (some are in my above post)
cand8ce 07-24-2008, 09:53 AM I signed it.
Teresa 07-24-2008, 10:02 AM As of now, the bill doesn't do anything, but having that definition in could affect many things in the near or far future (some are in my above post)
From what I read, there was a draft of a proposal "leaked" to the New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/15/washington/15rule.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=Abortion+Proposal+Sets&st=nyt&oref=slogin&oref=slogin Since we don't know exactly what the draft says we are just getting our facts from what is being reported.
It seems that the media is making a big deal out of this before they have all of the facts. I haven't completely researched this story but I would like to hear both sides :yes
mpicky 07-24-2008, 10:07 AM From what I read, there was a draft of a proposal "leaked" to the New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/15/washington/15rule.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=Abortion+Proposal+Sets&st=nyt&oref=slogin&oref=slogin Since we don't know exactly what the draft says we are just getting our facts from what is being reported.
It seems that the media is making a big deal out of this before they have all of the facts. I haven't completely researched this story but I would like to hear both sides :yes
While I understand your point, I don't want to wait until this is a law before I do something, I want to stop it before it is signed.
Go to the website (it is in the article) and sign the petition, I did it earlier this week.
Please sign it, and then do more than that. Online petitions are rarely effective, and I don't want anyone to think that merely signing the petition will actually express their views.
Please personally contact your senator or congressional representative and let her or him know how you feel about this issue.
mpicky 07-24-2008, 10:08 AM Please sign it, and then do more than that. Online petitions are rarely effective, and I don't want anyone to think that merely signing the petition will actually express their views.
Please personally contact your senator or congressional representative and let her or him know how you feel about this issue.
I so agree with you! Please please do something. I still can't believe this is happening in 2008.
LaneyBug 07-24-2008, 10:11 AM I just don't understand the point of making it harder for people who don't want children to prevent having them. It makes absolutely no sense, especially fiscally.
goldilockz 07-24-2008, 10:12 AM As if the population isn't booming enough, let's take away the few things that actually help keep it a little under control. BRILLIANT!
rcwant2be 07-24-2008, 10:13 AM I'm confused. Bc prevents ovulation so there is no chance at conception because there is no egg.
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Lizim1981 07-24-2008, 10:14 AM This is an absolutly terrifying propsect. I have no need for the government in my vagina.
I agree that this is a slippery slope. Any insurance that doesn't cover abortions will no longer cover B/c, that would include Tricare.
Green~Mammy 07-24-2008, 10:14 AM From what I read, there was a draft of a proposal "leaked" to the New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/15/washington/15rule.html?_r=2&scp=1&sq=Abortion+Proposal+Sets&st=nyt&oref=slogin&oref=slogin Since we don't know exactly what the draft says we are just getting our facts from what is being reported.
It seems that the media is making a big deal out of this before they have all of the facts. I haven't completely researched this story but I would like to hear both sides :yes
Actually the draft in whole is on line and was posted in the venting section in a thread about this issue. I have read it and explained it in that other thread.
Green~Mammy 07-24-2008, 10:17 AM I'm confused. Bc prevents ovulation so there is no chance at conception because there is no egg.
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Because SOMETIMES on BC there is a chance that an egg can be released and meet up with some sperm THEN the BC pill that has made the womb a hostile environment so the fertilized egg is prevented from implanting so in SOME peoples eyes BC can cause an abortion because they believe life starts the moment egg and sperm meet.
Wicked 07-24-2008, 10:20 AM It is no secret that this Administration along with a lot of "religious right" groups have been trying for YEARS to do anything they can to facilitate making abortion illegal. I don't know why people act like it has to be the media who is completely off base. Is this really that surprising to anyone? Really?
goldilockz 07-24-2008, 10:21 AM It is no secret that this Administration along with a lot of "religious right" groups have been trying for YEARS to do anything they can to facilitate making abortion illegal. I don't know why people act like it has to be the media who is completely off base. Is this really that surprising to anyone? Really?
No ma'am, 'tis not.
Wicked 07-24-2008, 10:22 AM No ma'am, 'tis not.
Well I didn't figure it would be to you. :)
LaneyBug 07-24-2008, 10:23 AM It is no secret that this Administration along with a lot of "religious right" groups have been trying for YEARS to do anything they can to facilitate making abortion illegal. I don't know why people act like it has to be the media who is completely off base. Is this really that surprising to anyone? Really?
Not surprising per se, just dumb...:screwy
mpicky 07-24-2008, 10:23 AM Actually the draft in whole is on line and was posted in the venting section in a thread about this issue. I have read it and explained it in that other thread.
Can you link me to that, pretty please?
usnwife1205 07-24-2008, 10:24 AM OK, someone completely correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I am just stupid. BUT when you are on birth control it's in your system? So, the fertilization never actually happens right???? Now if we are talking plan B that's another story...but, am I right here?? Because I am thinking, "how can it be abortion if the sperm is never given the opportunity?"
mpicky 07-24-2008, 10:24 AM I emailed every female on my email list. You guys, I am really concerned over this one, I mean really.
Amberly 07-24-2008, 10:26 AM It is no secret that this Administration along with a lot of "religious right" groups have been trying for YEARS to do anything they can to facilitate making abortion illegal. I don't know why people act like it has to be the media who is completely off base. Is this really that surprising to anyone? Really?
Not at all surprising but that doesn't make me any less pissed off about it :banghead
mpicky 07-24-2008, 10:26 AM OK, someone completely correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I am just stupid. BUT when you are on birth control it's in your system? So, the fertilization never actually happens right???? Now if we are talking plan B that's another story...but, am I right here?? Because I am thinking, "how can it be abortion if the sperm is never given the opportunity?"
An IUD just make implantation impossible (not 100%, but close). It affects the uterine wall, so fertilization occurs, just not implantation. The pill mostly prevents fertilization, but it also prevents implantation if fertilization occurs.
LaneyBug 07-24-2008, 10:27 AM Aren't there much more pressing matters for this administration to attend to?
mpicky 07-24-2008, 10:27 AM I just emailed both my Senators (Sherrod Brown D., George Voinovich R.)
Now for my State Rep (who sucks donkey balls, by the way).
Amberly 07-24-2008, 10:30 AM Aren't there much more pressing matters for this administration to attend to?
Don't you know that there is nothing more important than putting women back where they belong barefoot and pregnant. :giggle
Gillian_Angela 07-24-2008, 10:31 AM One point is to take away federal funding of those clinics that offer abortion (including contraception now). Another point is to allow insurance companies to not cover birth control. One more point would be in preparation for striking down RvW.
If Bush wants to make Abortion and B/C illegal, then he should make daycare AFFORDABLE and regulated by the state.
Actually, he should make daycare free and give out tax breaks to single moms....AND single dads.
****This is one reason why I voted for Hillary. This is absolutely deplorable. We have a born again Christian in office, that is instituting policy JUST as radical and the radical terrorists we're fighting against :pukey.
I think he should get a nice kick in the balls for conjering up such a proposal.
Gillian_Angela 07-24-2008, 10:32 AM Aren't there much more pressing matters for this administration to attend to?
:agree
I can name a few. Gas Prices, The War in Iraq, The regrouping of the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Mortage crisis. Just a few things....:whatever
Gillian_Angela 07-24-2008, 10:34 AM OK, someone completely correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I am just stupid. BUT when you are on birth control it's in your system? So, the fertilization never actually happens right???? Now if we are talking plan B that's another story...but, am I right here?? Because I am thinking, "how can it be abortion if the sperm is never given the opportunity?"
There are some birth control methods that prevent the egg from attaching, but there are also some that "trick" your body into thinking it's pregnant.
When you are pregnant, their is progesterone and estrogen released and those signal your ovaries not to produce any follicles (eggs). This is essentially what some birth control pills do.
If there aren't any eggs being produced, then you can't get pregnant.
I just emailed both my Senators (Sherrod Brown D., George Voinovich R.)
Now for my State Rep (who sucks donkey balls, by the way).
Which, in itself, is a form of birth control. State Rep better watch out; if this wording goes into effect, his/her favorite pasttime might be outlawed.
cand8ce 07-24-2008, 10:40 AM If Bush wants to make Abortion and B/C illegal, then he should make daycare AFFORDABLE and regulated by the state.
Actually, he should make daycare free and give out tax breaks to single moms.
:agree
all he's asking for is a country in even more debt than it already is in.
Ellen 07-24-2008, 10:40 AM If Bush wants to make Abortion and B/C illegal, then he should make daycare AFFORDABLE and regulated by the state.
Actually, he should make daycare free and give out tax breaks to single moms.
****This is one reason why I voted for Hillary. This is absolutely deplorable. We have a born again Christian in office, that is instituting policy JUST as radical and the radical terrorists we're fighting against :pukey.
I think he should get a nice kick in the balls for conjering up such a proposal.
Don't forget the single Dads out there....
Gillian_Angela 07-24-2008, 10:41 AM Don't forget the single Dads out there....
:arg sorry Ellen! I was in the heat of the moment.
Green~Mammy 07-24-2008, 10:49 AM Can you link me to that, pretty please?
http://militarysos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=191615
There is a link some where in that thread to the actual draft of the proposal. It is a very very long read. (the proposal I mean not the thread LOL)
mpicky 07-24-2008, 10:57 AM http://militarysos.com/forum/showthread.php?t=191615
There is a link some where in that thread to the actual draft of the proposal. It is a very very long read. (the proposal I mean not the thread LOL)
Thank you maam! I think we need to be wary on this one, it is a setup for many future things.
Tracie 07-24-2008, 10:58 AM this kinda leaves me wondering how this would affect me... I'm on birth control pills for health reasons and I'm not sexually active. Could this potentially mean that I wouldn't be receiving medication that I basically need?
~Jess~ 07-24-2008, 11:04 AM what a bunch of bull shit :no
wife-n-mommy 07-24-2008, 11:08 AM That's crazy!!! I am against abortion... but in no way is birth control pills and IUD's abortion!!! So... they basically are saying anything that interferes with normal reproduction is abortion :thinking so are condoms abortion? they interfere with normal reproduction don't they?? :rolleyes rediculous....
mpicky 07-24-2008, 11:11 AM That's crazy!!! I am against abortion... but in no way is birth control pills and IUD's abortion!!! So... they basically are saying anything that interferes with normal reproduction is abortion :thinking so are condoms abortion? they interfere with normal reproduction don't they?? :rolleyes rediculous....
Anything that prevents implantation, condoms don't allow sperm in, so those won't matter. But, that doesn't really matter, as insurance companies don't cover condoms anyway. Besides, our government doesn't want to control what men do to their bodies, just us women who are too stupid to think for ourselves.
mpicky 07-24-2008, 11:12 AM this kinda leaves me wondering how this would affect me... I'm on birth control pills for health reasons and I'm not sexually active. Could this potentially mean that I wouldn't be receiving medication that I basically need?
It means that possibly in the future, your insurance would no longer cover it.
Ghedi 07-24-2008, 11:13 AM Every Sperm is Sacred song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0kJHQpvgB8&feature=related).
If you have even the slightest bit of appreciation for irony... very funny... very wrong... ;)
Tracie 07-24-2008, 11:27 AM It means that possibly in the future, your insurance would no longer cover it.
Well, looks like I'd be eff-ed over then...
OneRed911 07-24-2008, 11:59 AM I posted a thread about this a while back and I was shot down saying there's no way this is what's happening, it's really about protecting the rights and morals of the people who would have to dispense the birth control even though it would go against their moral beliefs and how they wouldn't be fired for refusing to dispense it.
I didn't bother arguing with all the other links and information I saw because those who knew they were right...well...they KNEW they were right and that was that.
princessgwynn 07-24-2008, 12:07 PM WHAT?!?! WTF is up with this?! There is no way that can be serious. Wow. . .
mpicky 07-24-2008, 12:12 PM I posted a thread about this a while back and I was shot down saying there's no way this is what's happening, it's really about protecting the rights and morals of the people who would have to dispense the birth control even though it would go against their moral beliefs and how they wouldn't be fired for refusing to dispense it.
I didn't bother arguing with all the other links and information I saw because those who knew they were right...well...they KNEW they were right and that was that.
That might be how it is starting out. But, to define abortion this strictly in federal legislation can have huge ramifications, which I posted earlier on the thread.
Rainbow Brite 07-24-2008, 12:13 PM That is seriously the stupidest thing I have ever heard. :no Its just SAD!
rosebud* 07-24-2008, 12:21 PM I was the one who posted the PDF link :woot lol
anyway i'm not at all surprised about stuff like this.
I posted a thread about this a while back and I was shot down saying there's no way this is what's happening, it's really about protecting the rights and morals of the people who would have to dispense the birth control even though it would go against their moral beliefs and how they wouldn't be fired for refusing to dispense it.
I didn't bother arguing with all the other links and information I saw because those who knew they were right...well...they KNEW they were right and that was that.
No, I don't think you were shot down, I think that the pharmacist-approach was confusing. I didn't get the connection to this until GM and you explained it.
This is complete and utter bullshit.
:agree
crinklemynosey 07-24-2008, 12:40 PM well condoms are birth control too...technically
...they're listed under birth control on planned parenthood lol
this is ridiculous...
PeppermintRei 07-24-2008, 12:43 PM I am ashamed to have this guy as the representative of our country. :no
Next thing you know he'll be arguing women don't belong in the military.
Let's just solve all of this and make BC for men! Then we don't have to worry about the sperm going anywhere. :sigh
I understand the argument that some pharmacists have religiously held views that may make dispensing BC morally repugnant to them, however, are they going to adopt the baby?
They have a choice to work at a private pharmacy which does not dispense prescriptions like that. If you are working at a pharmacy that dispenses all medications, you knew that when you were hired. Why the fuss now? It's like joining the military and saying "Gee, I didn't know we had to shoot guns?" :arg
Why don't we just outlaw sex and be done with it? Maybe we should stick all women in Victorian dresses and heels, hire governesses for our children or send them to work at 6 years old where they can smoke and drink with the big boys and die in factories, send the big boys off to work and be done with it.
As many people have pointed out before, plenty of women have a period after conceiving during which her body expels the joined sperm and egg for reasons unknown to mankind. Why is BC different from that?
Crystal520 07-24-2008, 01:01 PM WTF!
Well I guess I fall into that category because I use BC. This is bullshit and I can't wait for his ass to out of the white house!! He has f**ked over this country way too many times.
LittleMsSunshine 07-24-2008, 01:06 PM holy fucking hell.... are they TRYING to create more welfare-lifer babies???????
:gaah
I probably shouldn't say anything else. I'm quite livid.
Wicked 07-24-2008, 01:07 PM What I don't get about the whole birth control issue is why men aren't more prone to advocate providing it to women as cheaply and easily as possible? I mean, do they REALLY want some woman coming up to them after a one night stand, affair, or at the very beginning of a relationship saying "I'm pregnant, it's yours, child support"? I would think that men would be all about making sure that women have a way to prevent pregnancy.
It's one of those cut of your nose to spite your face things... Women WANT to have birth control readily available and affordable so some men (mainly certain male politicians) have to what? Tell them no so that they feel like they are in control? Uh, you won't be in control when you are paying child support up the ass because that hot girl at the bar can't afford BC pills and the condom broke during your last one night stand.
LittleMsSunshine 07-24-2008, 01:07 PM Just wanted to add....
It would be friggin STUPID of insurance companies to quit covering birth control.
Babies are a LOT more expensive than some $30/month prescription.
Ellen 07-24-2008, 01:08 PM Abortion is ending life, Birth control is PREVENTING life. BIG difference. This is ridiculous.
MichelleB 07-24-2008, 01:10 PM Abortion is ending life, Birth control is PREVENTING life. BIG difference. This is ridiculous.
I agree. The whole article just makes me angry!
Green~Mammy 07-24-2008, 02:40 PM No, I don't think you were shot down, I think that the pharmacist-approach was confusing. I didn't get the connection to this until GM and you explained it.
:yes AND I didn't even grasp what mpicky has which is that if they get their way and define BC pills and such as abortion that it will make it even easier for insurance companies to not cover hormonal birth control.
mpicky 07-24-2008, 02:48 PM :yes AND I didn't even grasp what mpicky has which is that if they get their way and define BC pills and such as abortion that it will make it even easier for insurance companies to not cover hormonal birth control.
I really think we should be careful when our government does things like this. We all know this is not for honorable intentions and being saved for a later date.
CocoaGoddess 07-24-2008, 04:48 PM At this moment, I'm so, so relieved that I have actively done everything in my power to insure that this man did not hold the office of the Presidency. Of course, I didn't succeed, but my conscience is clear here.
And for the first time ever, I really wish Hillary were running in the VP spot for President.
LoveKiss 07-24-2008, 05:55 PM Right-wing ideology strikes again. Things like this make me ashamed to work for DHHS. Complete and utter bullshit.
flowerchild 07-24-2008, 06:00 PM O M F G That's all I have to say. I know that this won't pass or anything, but if it did, I'd be on the first plane outta here.
I Heart My LT 07-24-2008, 06:02 PM Fuck this shit.
Is it January yet!?
flowerchild 07-24-2008, 06:02 PM What I don't get about the whole birth control issue is why men aren't more prone to advocate providing it to women as cheaply and easily as possible? I mean, do they REALLY want some woman coming up to them after a one night stand, affair, or at the very beginning of a relationship saying "I'm pregnant, it's yours, child support"? I would think that men would be all about making sure that women have a way to prevent pregnancy.
It's one of those cut of your nose to spite your face things... Women WANT to have birth control readily available and affordable so some men (mainly certain male politicians) have to what? Tell them no so that they feel like they are in control? Uh, you won't be in control when you are paying child support up the ass because that hot girl at the bar can't afford BC pills and the condom broke during your last one night stand.
You'd think, right? Well, people are stupid I guess. It's all about pushing your morals onto someone else.
And I also agree with the poster who said that its just stupid for insurance companies not to pay for it because it's a heck of a lot cheaper than a baby!
Gillian_Angela 07-24-2008, 06:04 PM At this moment, I'm so, so relieved that I have actively done everything in my power to insure that this man did not hold the office of the Presidency. Of course, I didn't succeed, but my conscience is clear here.
And for the first time ever, I really wish Hillary were running in the VP spot for President.
:agree
Even though I wasn't old enough to vote for Gore, I sure as hell campaigned throughout my 6th grade classroom.
I could just smell complete and utter ruin of this country.......
Moreover, I would just LOVE to see a revolt in this country and widespread rioting if this passes.
Maybe we could force the Bush's from the White House and make them escape to the ranch?
Seriously Mr. Bush........did all of those Hot Dogs, Pretzels, Beer Bongs and Cheerleading really kill off your good moral judgement and most of your brain cells???
Fidzy 07-24-2008, 06:11 PM What the mother f?! Just when he couldn't get any worse in my book.
flowerchild 07-24-2008, 06:17 PM What the mother f?! Just when he couldn't get any worse in my book.
Oh there's always room for more Bad Bush (that sounds so dirty lol).
That's what's so scary. :(
Larissa 07-24-2008, 06:48 PM This is absolutely fucking ridiculous, if you'll excuse my language.
I am so sick of this President and this administration.
I signed the petition.
mackenziesmommy 07-24-2008, 06:52 PM There has got to be more to the story than that.
I AGREE
mackenziesmommy 07-24-2008, 07:02 PM OK, someone completely correct me if I am wrong. Maybe I am just stupid. BUT when you are on birth control it's in your system? So, the fertilization never actually happens right???? Now if we are talking plan B that's another story...but, am I right here?? Because I am thinking, "how can it be abortion if the sperm is never given the opportunity?"
not all BC is like that...an IUD doesn't prevent you from ovulation, but prevents a fertalized egg from attaching to the lining so to some people it's an abortion.
Gillian_Angela 07-24-2008, 07:03 PM I AGREE
I'm not sure. I've come to understand that when the press says my liberties and rights will be compromised and voilated under this administration, I believe them.
I have a hard time believing that this president who said we should go to war with Iraq because "God told him too", isn't behind this ridiculous policy.
JMO
Sid's Girl 07-24-2008, 08:41 PM Oh, far better to let women have baby after baby compromising their health and driving their insurance claims through the roof. Religion and government must stay separated and I have no doubt this was just one of Bush's religious wingnut ideas gone wild. After all, I'm sure he surrounded himself with people who follow the same idealogies as him so even if this wasn't his idea, it came from the same place.
Let me call him and invite him over to dinner, then I can shove my IUD up his ass and ask him what the hell Ms Laura was using all those years before and after they had their kids.
LittleMsSunshine 07-24-2008, 09:13 PM So, uh.... what's next.....
Are we gonna throw men in prison for jerking off and killing millions of "potential" babies??
Because my DB, and every man I've ever dated for that matter, are total mass murderers in that sense. :dunno
Am I gonna get in trouble for "wasting" my unfertilized egg when I have my period every month?
Gillian_Angela 07-24-2008, 09:14 PM Gosh darn..make daycare affordable! If you want to get ANYWHERE with your abortion crusade..make daycare affordable and regulated by the state, Mr. F*cknut.
I HATE idiots who push Pro-Life legislation...for seriousness man.
Mindy 07-24-2008, 10:04 PM Counting the days till January '09.
flowerchild 07-24-2008, 10:09 PM I think he should get a nice kick in the balls for conjering up such a proposal.
All in favor, say "aye!"
Anything that prevents implantation, condoms don't allow sperm in, so those won't matter. But, that doesn't really matter, as insurance companies don't cover condoms anyway. Besides, our government doesn't want to control what men do to their bodies, just us women who are too stupid to think for ourselves.
Some state insurances (medicaid) do pay for condoms.
I really think we should be careful when our government does things like this. We all know this is not for honorable intentions and being saved for a later date.
I honestly believe that this is either a distraction from other issues OR it's a set up for something else. Something bad, but not as bad. Then when it happens people will be relieved that this didn't happen. Does that make sense? lol
So, uh.... what's nex.....
Are we gonna throw men in prison for jerking off and killing millions of "potential" babies??
Because my DB, and every man I've ever dated for that matter, are total mass murderers in that sense. :dunno
Am I gonna get in trouble for "wasting" my unfertilized egg when I have my period every month?
I'd laugh, but who knows?
SchlegelsBaby 07-24-2008, 10:24 PM If Bush wants to make Abortion and B/C illegal, then he should make daycare AFFORDABLE and regulated by the state.
Actually, he should make daycare free and give out tax breaks to single moms....AND single dads.
****This is one reason why I voted for Hillary. This is absolutely deplorable. We have a born again Christian in office, that is instituting policy JUST as radical and the radical terrorists we're fighting against :pukey.
I think he should get a nice kick in the balls for conjering up such a proposal.
:hail :agree
mackenziesmommy 07-24-2008, 11:18 PM I'm not sure. I've come to understand that when the press says my liberties and rights will be compromised and voilated under this administration, I believe them.
I have a hard time believing that this president who said we should go to war with Iraq because "God told him too", isn't behind this ridiculous policy.
JMO
that's where our differences are...if you agree that God gives us instructions on what to do then it would make more since (not saying you don't just in general)...I also believe that EVERY person who is on office will put their religious (whatever they are) biases (sp) into their roll in office.
Serran 07-25-2008, 12:36 AM Are you effing kidding me?!?
That will either lead to people in debt taking care of all their surprise kids as well as tons of unwanted children being given up for adoption
or
A country full of really pissy people because no one will have sex because they can't afford to.
Seriously though, it is a load of BS. My first reaction was WHAT!?! and WHY!?!
Mindy 07-25-2008, 01:16 AM So, uh.... what's nex.....
Are we gonna throw men in prison for jerking off and killing millions of "potential" babies??
Because my DB, and every man I've ever dated for that matter, are total mass murderers in that sense. :dunno
Am I gonna get in trouble for "wasting" my unfertilized egg when I have my period every month?
I'm sure if they could get away with it, they'd probably try.
Aunt Sponge 07-25-2008, 07:54 AM So allowing Dr's and Pharmacists to decided to fill/not fill perscriptions isn't enough?!
You know - it's not OUR government's duty to dictate every tedious nitpick detail of our reproductive lives!!
But yet he's for stem-cell research? :puzz he makes NO sense!
I am really SHOCKED that they give this much of a shit - really! Is our country going catholic or something (joke, btw!) because last I checked ANY kind of BC could be considered abortion. :rolleyes
I wonder just HOW many women are going to have to depend on less-effective (things are different for different people) forms of BC if this goes all the way through it's proper path to become law. ... How many kids are goign to be born because women have been given even less options...and can we sue?
And when in hte FUCK are they going to come up with a birth control pill for MEN!!!
Why is everything focused on the women when it comes to this?? Hmm!! DAMNIT - I WANNA KNOW. When will men be burdoned with something other than condoms. :rolleyes.
mpicky 07-25-2008, 10:53 AM O M F G That's all I have to say. I know that this won't pass or anything, but if it did, I'd be on the first plane outta here.
I do have to say that there is nothing to pass. This isnt a bill before Congress, Congress won't get to touch this. It is being implemented though the regulatory process, which is an arm of the executive branch. All they have to do is SAY that the morning after pill is an abortion drug...and because they make the rules, it is so defined. No congressional input required.
If you are outraged over this, please don't wait until it is written. They need to see and hear your outrage. I asked my Senator to publically speak out about this, so more people will know.
mpicky 07-25-2008, 10:55 AM not all BC is like that...an IUD doesn't prevent you from ovulation, but prevents a fertalized egg from attaching to the lining so to some people it's an abortion.
Some women can't take hormonal BC (maybe breast feeding, maybe health issues, maybe they just don't want to pump their body full of synthetic hormones), what options do they have?
jen1982 07-25-2008, 11:03 AM not all BC is like that...an IUD doesn't prevent you from ovulation, but prevents a fertalized egg from attaching to the lining so to some people it's an abortion.
Not completely correct. It is not always the case that it works by preventing a fertilized egg from attaching. Meaning, that there are many chances of the egg actually getting fertilized, but it auto-aborts each and every one. (Definitely not how the IUD works.) That is only the case IF the egg actually gets fertilized, which the IUD is also working to prevent. The prevention you listed is only one of a number of ways that the IUD may prevent pregnancy.
Here's some educational info, to help you out, since you seem to be misinformed on IUD's. I just typed, "how does IUD prevent pregnancy," into Google, and this was the first of many it pulled up. You may want to research a bit before you start stating things as complete facts, instead of just part of the fact.
"How does it work to prevent pregnancy?
IUDs work by preventing an egg from being fertilized, although scientists are not exactly sure how this happens. Theories about this process include:
* It affects the way the sperm or egg moves
* Substances released by the IUD immobilize sperm
* It moves the egg through the fallopian tube too fast to be fertilized.
The copper in the ParaGard adds to the effectiveness of the IUD in other ways. It affects the lining of the uterus by not allowing an egg to implant and it stimulates the production of prostaglandins, chemicals that affect the hormones needed to support a pregnancy. The ParaGard can be a long-term method that may be left in for 8 years.
The Progestasert IUD prevents pregnancy by releasing the hormone progestin, which thickens the cervical mucus. This acts as a barrier to prevent sperm from entering the uterus. The Progestasert also affects the lining of the uterus to prevent an egg from being implanted. Because of the hormonal component of the Progestasert, it must be replaced yearly. "
http://www.brown.edu/Student_Services/Health_Services/Health_Education/sexual_health/ssc/iud.htm
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