Ok, so I will start another hot topic. I know it has been done before, but April's post last night with the new blinkies she found had me thinking.

Are you for or against abortion? Why?

im just voting. And then removing from this debate. :teehee

Being anonymous is totally cool!

For me, I don't think I could personally have one. I don't think I or anyone else should be able to tell someone what they can or can't do with their own body though.

i am pro choice. i do not feel it is my place to determine how anyone else lives their life. i feel the same way about gay marriage. it is not my life, and i think people need to have opportunities to live life they way that is best for them.

live and let live

It depends. If it were a raping or incest situation, I think abortion should be an option.

I don't completely agree with the option though. I was raped and was 15.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/zennyjoy/Jr6-25-06.jpg

this was the result. I love him regardless of his parentage and would've missed out on so much.

I am Pro-life I guess you could say. I only believe in abortion if it is 1. a life or death decision or 2. rape. I don't like woman useing abortion as Birth Control.

Pro-Life...I'll leave it at that because I am sure if I go on, I will piss off a lot of people!

i am pro choice. i do not feel it is my place to determine how anyone else lives their life. i feel the same way about gay marriage. it is not my life, and i think people need to have opportunities to live life they way that is best for them.

live and let live
I feel the same way, on both issues. :yes

Against Abortion - I think that yes, there are some medical reasons that one may require an abortion, but I think that there are too many that use abortion as a method of birth control....

For myself I am PRO LIFE.....I personally could not have an abortion. ~~~ I also have NEVER been pregnant.....so it has NEVER been an issue in my life.


With that said I vote PRO CHOICE..........I do not have the right to make someone else carry a child to term they do not want....or could die from having.

I think abortion should remain legal because the thought of a woman having to go back to wire hangers is HORRIBLE!!!!

i am pro choice. i do not feel it is my place to determine how anyone else lives their life. i feel the same way about gay marriage. it is not my life, and i think people need to have opportunities to live life they way that is best for them.

live and let live

:agree I am 110% prochoice. And believe that no one has the right to tell me what I can and can not do with my body.

Okay Im walking away now

It depends. If it were a raping or incest situation, I think abortion should be an option.

I don't completely agree with the option though. I was raped and was 15.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y162/zennyjoy/Jr6-25-06.jpg

this was the result. I love him regardless of his parentage and would've missed out on so much.

I have GREAT respect for a woman who will still love a child who was the product of a rape (I know that sounds so bad.. I don't know how else to word it) He is YOUR son no matter how he was concieved.

I am Pro-life I guess you could say. I only believe in abortion if it is 1. a life or death decision or 2. rape. I don't like woman useing abortion as Birth Control.

I do agree with that as well....so I guess what I said before is kind of contradicting....because I also think it is horrible for those that do it repeatedely for just as you say birth control.

ETA: But at the same time again....it is not my place to decide for someone else.

Pro-Life...I'll leave it at that because I am sure if I go on, I will piss off a lot of people!

Ditto - pro-life in any case!

I do agree with that as well....so I guess what I said before is kind of contradicting....because I also think it is horrible for those that do it repeatedely for just as you say birth control.

I've known too many people who had multiple abortions because they were careless and it honestly disgusts me that they have the option to kill a fetus over and over because they can't keep thier legs closed.

Sometimes it is hard, especially as they grow older, they start looking like the person that violated you. But he's mine, I love him. He is just an innocent in the situation.

Im prolife... but I do feel there are exceptions to my beliefs. Like medical reasons. And Im going to leave this one alone from here also ;)

I am pro-choice. I believe every woman should have the right to choose what happens with her own body, whether or not anyone else considers the embryo/fetus an entity unto itself. Its still in that woman's body, therefor, I believe she should be able to make that decision to keep it or not, no matter what the circumstance.

I've known too many people who had multiple abortions because they were careless and it honestly disgusts me that they have the option to kill a fetus over and over because they can't keep thier legs closed.

I have to agree. I had a friend that used abortion as a birth control, continuosly. The last abortion I knew about she was going to keep the baby but the father returned to his wife. So at 24 weeks, she aborted. :no

I believe in it if the girl was raped. I would never get one though. I couldn't even imagine.

I have to agree. I had a friend that used abortion as a birth control, continuosly. The last abortion I knew about she was going to keep the baby but the father returned to his wife. So at 24 weeks, she aborted. :no

That's exactly why I think there should be stipulations to abortions.

Sometimes it is hard, especially as they grow older, they start looking like the person that violated you. But he's mine, I love him. He is just an innocent in the situation.

One of the men who molested me as a child and teen (yes he didn't rape me so it's not entirely the same but still...) I could not even imagine if he raped me and me being able to keep that baby. He was in his 40's. I really have great respect for you.

One of the men who molested me as a child and teen (yes he didn't rape me so it's not entirely the same but still...) I could not even imagine if he raped me and me being able to keep that baby. He was in his 40's. I really have great respect for you.

Thank you. It's really not that hard. I thought DH would be the one to have a hard time but after he heard the story, he never treated Junior any different. Jr is his son, that's how we both see it, just as much as the girls are Georges too.

Thank you. It's really not that hard. I thought DH would be the one to have a hard time but after he heard the story, he never treated Junior any different. Jr is his son, that's how we both see it, just as much as the girls are Georges too.

I know how that is in a slightly different scituation :) Alex is Tony's. The adoption is almost done too which is great.

I'll have to PM you. We are trying to do that now too.

Go right ahead :D I've got answers! lol

Me and Dh were talking about this the other night. If we were to ever get pregnant, we would keep it. The only way we would abort is if my health was in danger. We look at it as we're "mature" enough and "responsible" enough to have sex, then we must accept the risk of me getting pregnant.

Overall, I'm Prochoice.

I am pro-life for the most part. Incest and medical reasons ok but I still have issues with that. Rape not ok. Failed BC not ok. I believe life begins at conception and God has a plan for everyone. Aborting that life is a sin. Now, do I think abortion should be illegal because I'm pro-life? NO! Women will still find ways to abort babies. At least with it legal they can have a safer procedure and access to counseling.

Pro-Choice.

I'm pro-choice to an extent, but I personally couldn't have one.

I'm Pro life, but I voted depends

Pro-Choice

pro-choice

Personally, I am pro-choice. I think that every woman has the right to decide. There are great parents out there, but there are some terrible ones too. I think some people just should not be parents. It is difficult, because as much as i would want to believe that all women, all people, are good and decent it just is not that way. Some women will use abortion as a form of birth control and some women will use abortion for legit reasons. In the end, I don't think that it is right to enforce laws or prejudices saying women are wrong or bad people because they do get an abortion-especially when we can never know the whole story.

I know I could never personally do it, unless it was due to a rape. But just because I myself is mostly Pro-life, does not mean I dont think it could be the right choice for someone else.

i am pro choice. i do not feel it is my place to determine how anyone else lives their life. i feel the same way about gay marriage. it is not my life, and i think people need to have opportunities to live life they way that is best for them.

live and let live

My thoughts exactly!

I am 99% pro-life. I believe though that if the mothers' life is in jeopardy, abortion may be her only option to live.

Ash, back on page one you said
i am pro choice. i do not feel it is my place to determine how anyone else lives their life...live and let live

But you can look at that from a different angle. I don't think that by being pro-life you are telling anyone ELSE how to live their life. I personally don't believe that abortion is right. Does that mean I judge those that get them or have had them? Absolutely not. Am I out there blowing up abortion clinics?? Uh...NO. My personal beliefs don't affect other people, and they're going to choose to do what they need to do. Do I think it's sad, absolutely. And...um...just to point out the irony...how can you be pro-choice and say "Live and let live?". :dunno

I am 99% pro-life. I believe though that if the mothers' life is in jeopardy, abortion may be her only option to live.

Ash, back on page one you said


But you can look at that from a different angle. I don't think that by being pro-life you are telling anyone ELSE how to live their life. I personally don't believe that abortion is right. Does that mean I judge those that get them or have had them? Absolutely not. Am I out there blowing up abortion clinics?? Uh...NO. My personal beliefs don't affect other people, and they're going to choose to do what they need to do. Do I think it's sad, absolutely. And...um...just to point out the irony...how can you be pro-choice and say "Live and let live?". :dunno

By putting the two options there - pro choice and pro life, there's the insinuation that pro choice people are pro everyone making the choice for themselves whereas pro life people aren't - they're against abortion altogether.

No I understand the difference between the two - but my point is - we can have our own beliefs without forcing them on other people. Me believing that abortion is wrong is in no way determning how any other person lives their life. People will do what they want to do. I don't have to agree with it - it's just the way it is.

No I understand the difference between the two - but my point is - we can have our own beliefs without forcing them on other people. Me believing that abortion is wrong is in no way determning how any other person lives their life. People will do what they want to do. I don't have to agree with it - it's just the way it is.

But if you're not pro everyone making their own choice, how can you say you're not being judgemental or affecting anyone else? You don't just think it's personally wrong for you, you think it's wrong for everyone (unless I'm misunderstanding)..

Sure it's wrong for me - and IMO it's wrong for everyone else (almost), but I'm not going to JUDGE the decisions that people make for themselves. It's not up to me to judge them. I can be sad for the choices they make, but their choices are their choices.

I'm not saying "I don't care, do whatever you want." (pro-choice)

I'm saying "I disagree with abortion and I think it's wrong - but it's not my body you're walking around in. Ultimately the decision is yours."

Do I just have a warped view?? Am I not extreme enough? :giggle Do I have to chastise people just for not agreeing with me? I guess I just don't work that way. :dunno

Ok, I think I misunderstood what you were trying to say. Sorry!!

(ps. you don't have to be nonchalant to be pro choice!)

No I wasn't trying to say pro choice was nonchalant - I was just trying to illustrate where I was coming from ;)

how can you be pro-choice and say "Live and let live?". :dunno



cute. the point i am making, as you well know, is that i will live my life and i feel it is not my place to tell others how to live theres.
that being said. i DO NOT believe that abortion in the first trimester is babykilling as it is often called by the pro life movement.

I have read books and articles galore about the movements of both sides and made an informed decision. I have my set of morals just as everyone else, however mine do not include that abortion is wrong. I do not think laws should be based on the morals of others. That is why we keep God out of Government.

Pro Choice!!!!! That's all I'm gonna say b/c I could really get into this debate!!

Pro-life.............life begins when sperm meets egg.......

i'm pro-life as long as it is not a danger to the mother to carry the child to full term. imo if you are 14 or 15 and you get pregnant by your own personal choice (you chose to have sex w/o contraception) i don't think you should have an easy out by getting an abortion. same with if you were 18 or 19 and you went out and had casual, unprotected sex with more people than you can count then no i don't think you deserve an easy out either.
the touch area comes when people bring up molestation, incest, and rape. imvho i don't think that it is the babies fault that they were conceived by a rape, molestation, or incenstual relationship. i don't see how it is right to punish an innocent child because someone else made a mistake.

the only situation that i am comfortable with saying abortion may be okay is if the mother has less than a 40% chance to live throughout the pregnancy/delievery. and saying i am comfortable with it does not mean that i advocate that as a choice for every woman. some woman will say i will take that chance. but in this instance i believe that every other choice has to be exhausted before even opening up this option

Pro-life.............life begins when sperm meets egg.......

I agree with this completely. I might be an odd man out on this one but I don't mind saying. I feel like saying you don't agree with abortion but you are pro-choice is like saying, "I wouldn't murder anyone but if someone wants to go out and do it, who am I to say they shouldn't?"
I know there are certain cases where abortion is necessary, and that's life. It really bothers me that people use it as a band-aid though.
I know most won't agree and that's ok. We were asked to give our opinion, and this is mine!

I agree with this completely. I might be an odd man out on this one but I don't mind saying. I feel like saying you don't agree with abortion but you are pro-choice is like saying, "I wouldn't murder anyone but if someone wants to go out and do it, who am I to say they shouldn't?"
I know there are certain cases where abortion is necessary, and that's life. It really bothers me that people use it as a band-aid though.
I know most won't agree and that's ok. We were asked to give our opinion, and this is mine!

:agree and i agree with jill too

I had a friend who has had 5 abortions, and she is the ripe age of 18. She would have had six but the 1st one she starved herself so badly she miscarried- she told me it was because she couldn't afford an abortion. I then asked her- why don't you use protection? She says- i don't like the feel of condoms.. i then said to her- and you like the feeling of killing something? She said- aslong as I have the money to get rid of it.. i don't really mind.

How irresponsible!!

I think its up to you, i think with circumstance its perfectly acceptable. I know if i was going to have a baby with mental retardation- i would abort. Why would i let the poor child suffer? As soon as i died, my child would be sent to a home where they get cared for- and get day trips out every once a month. No - i wouldn't let a child suffer like that. I think that retarded children, and adults- are the sweetest people on earth- and thats the reason i wouldn't let mine go to a home.. no .. i just couldn't do it.

I also think if one is raped- then that is perfectly acceptable aswell. I can understand why one wouldn't want to carry a child of a sexual offender.

I also think that if you are not ready for children- its ok too. I mean why bring a baby into this world and not be able to provide for him? I can understand that.. but it's still something i would have a hard time doing.

So really- its up to the person. I don't think any different of people that have had an abortion. However i do not respect people that keep on getting pregnant, then aborting them.. all because they hated the feel of condoms. That is just stupid and immature.

I am pro choice. I am personally against abortion, but I by no means believe in telling people what is right for themselves.

I used to be Pro-Choice...but after having a baby, I just cannot see abortion the same...However, I would NEVER judge someone who has had one...but those that have had more than one for no medical reasons, I find that disturbing.

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I think its up to you, i think with circumstance its perfectly acceptable. I know if i was going to have a baby with mental retardation- i would abort. Why would i let the poor child suffer? As soon as i died, my child would be sent to a home where they get cared for- and get day trips out every once a month. No - i wouldn't let a child suffer like that. I think that retarded children, and adults- are the sweetest people on earth- and thats the reason i wouldn't let mine go to a home.. no .. i just couldn't do it.
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let me just say, i understand this is your opinion.

that being said, that is so totally offensive and i am shocked at your complete lack of thinking that went into this answer.

my sister ismentally retarded. and she may when my parents are gone live in a home, she may not. My Gma's best friend has a daughter in a group home and she LOVES it there. they do TONS Of stuff, they have jobs, they have friends over, they have dinner parties, etc.

I WOULD NOT ABORT A PREGNANCY BECAUSE THE PRODUCT OF IT WERE SPECIAL. that to me is like saying that child is worthless. I personally would not get an abortion, I just dont care to tell other people not to, it is their life. I certainly would not abort becuase the baby has problems. That to me is the worst thing you could possibly say on this issue.

My manager at work is pregnant with a child that has issues, and might very well have severe disability, she didnt abort it, and she will love him more than anything, just like she would a "normal" child.

I am shocked that you think a baby being mentally handicapped is an acceptable excuse for someone to abort.

I'm Pro-Life for MANY reasons!

I am shocked that you think a baby being mentally handicapped is an acceptable excuse for someone to abort.

Same here! I would never abort a baby if we thought there were chances of that...

But, it is her opinion, like you said...

I think its up to you, i think with circumstance its perfectly acceptable. I know if i was going to have a baby with mental retardation- i would abort. Why would i let the poor child suffer? As soon as i died, my child would be sent to a home where they get cared for- and get day trips out every once a month. No - i wouldn't let a child suffer like that. I think that retarded children, and adults- are the sweetest people on earth- and thats the reason i wouldn't let mine go to a home.. no .. i just couldn't do it.

I also think if one is raped- then that is perfectly acceptable aswell. I can understand why one wouldn't want to carry a child of a sexual offender.

I also think that if you are not ready for children- its ok too. I mean why bring a baby into this world and not be able to provide for him? I can understand that.. but it's still something i would have a hard time doing.

So really- its up to the person. I don't think any different of people that have had an abortion. However i do not respect people that keep on getting pregnant, then aborting them.. all because they hated the feel of condoms. That is just stupid and immature.


:shock :shock Wow...I've never heard something so cruel. I know everyone has their own opinion, but you would have an abortion just because the child wasn't perfect? :no I work with special needs kids and that really breaks my heart to hear.

You're also saying its ok to kill a human life just because you aren't ready to have the responsibility. That's what birth control is for!

I'm prochoice. My stepfather tried to rape me when I was 13. This was just the end of a lot of things he did to me. I told my mom and she died. But that's another post. Anyway, if he had succeeded in raping me, at 13, and losing my mom and brother, should I had been made to carry a child? I don't think so.

I also think there is alot of grey in the world. A man*as many in government are* has no right what to tell me to do with my body. Also, people act like abortion magically came to be in the 1970's with Roe vs Wade. I think it is better for it to be safer for the woman rather than backwoods options.

I didn't mean to offend anyone. As i said- handicapped people are absolutely beautiful people- it's just- i don't have much family, infact i really have none except my immediate family. If i had a handicapped child.. and i died tomorrow- there would be no choice but for the child to go to a home. And i would never want that to happen, ever. I am not too sure how the homes are over there- but im in AUSTRALIA. And it was only the other day that there was a story about how the kids are treated poorly, the meat is moldy- but they wash it off, if they actually do complain- they get no toilet paper for a week etc. They just don't have the funding for these places like they do over there- you guys have like 80,000,000 or something in new york alone. We have 19,000,000 in the whole country. So i am talking about AUSTRALIA's standards- so please don't bother getting defensive on the home issue because i was speaking for MYSELF. And not for anyone else- meaning i was speaking about how i feel about AUSTRALIAN care homes.. which most of them are mixed between the elderly and dying. SO as i said- i wouldn't want my child there.

And maybe you should read some more statistics, because i was just reading that the amount of abortions because of mental retardation are on a major incline.. and so are abortions because of babies with cleft pallets.. so obviously i am not the only horrible person out in this world.

And maybe you should read some more statistics, because i was just reading that the amount of abortions because of mental retardation are on a major incline.. and so are abortions because of babies with cleft pallets.. so obviously i am not the only horrible person out in this world.

so are you saying that since "everyone else is doing it" it is then okay? i dont care if it is one the incline it is still one of the most horrible things i have ever heard. ever.

Well maybe you should go walk out into the ghetto- take a look at all the kids on the street, SUFFERING, take a look at the junkies- that have children who are SUFFERING, take a look at those who dump their babies in dumpsters- and leave to die. Atleast with an abortion- that kid wont be feeling suffocation whilst in a garbage dumpster, atleast that kid won't be on the streets being prosituted by their own parents.. thats what i meant. If that makes me cruel- so be it. I just don't like to see kids suffer, and if thats what they have instore for them.. then why put them through it?

But if you died after your child was born, you wouldn't have any say in the matter, right? I can understand why you wouldn't want to put your child in a home over there, all of the stuff that goes on is REALLY sad. But it is not ok in my opinion to not have a child because something is wrong with it.

Statistics are a bunch of BS. Learn more about them and you will see that they are one sided, in favor of whatever they want to prove. I don't care if other people are having abortions because there is something wrong with their baby, it's still wrong!!

i don't think you should have an easy out by getting an abortion.


Abortion is in no way an easy out for most people with a conscience :sadeyes

Just b/c someone has an abortion does not mean they don't care. Matter of fact, it can lead you into depression and many other bad things. Don't assume that b/c there are women out there who use it as birth control, that ALL women who have one are selfish like that. Sometimes young women have one and afterwards realize the mistake they made. They either don't fully grasp what their about to do until afterwards or they get scared & rush into the decision to have one, only afterwards realizing that there were more options.

Well maybe you should go walk out into the ghetto- take a look at all the kids on the street, SUFFERING, take a look at the junkies- that have children who are SUFFERING, take a look at those who dump their babies in dumpsters- and leave to die. Atleast with an abortion- that kid wont be feeling suffocation whilst in a garbage dumpster, atleast that kid won't be on the streets being prosituted by their own parents.. thats what i meant. If that makes me cruel- so be it. I just don't like to see kids suffer, and if thats what they have instore for them.. then why put them through it?

you lost me now.
are you saying only mentally retarded kids born to bad parents in the ghetto should be aborted?

i am PRO CHOICE and while id ont think i would get an abortion i think some people should, in cases of the mom dying, the mother being a major crack addict, etc.

also, im not familiar with where you live, and as it sounds as if Australia did not join everyone else in the 80s with the fall of instituionalization, are mentally retarded babies often thrown into dumpsters?

if they were not thrown in the dumpster, would they still be suffering based on their disablities?

i am just trying to understand

Did i say those words?? Did i say it was ok? I said i wouldn't be able to have a baby that could end up being alone.. that could end up being without a loving parent.. i couldn't do that. You are twisting my words right now.

I had a miscarriage, and it broke my heart ok- so i know exactly what feeling like your going to be a mother is like. I am just saying- i wouldn't let them suffer.. ever. I would also never be so irresponsible to get pregnant- then abort. I would also never have babies just so my government pays me $5 000. I would also never just decide to abort if i was having a disabled baby- i am not heartless. I would want to know how bad it was, i would want to know if they would be able to think for themselves, if they could communicate when they are hurting. Don't you dare and try to make me out to be a heartless person- when you really have no idea who i am.

I think she is just being honest. Is it cruel...yes maybe to some. It is also cruel to some to have an abortion if the child is "normal" too. I am sure there are many that feel the same way as she does. what happened to live and let live? Not judging someone for the decision they make with their own body?

I think she is just being honest. Is it cruel...yes maybe to some. It is also cruel to some to have an abortion if the child is "normal" too. I am sure there are many that feel the same way as she does. what happened to live and let live? Not judging someone for the decision they make with their own body?


and as i stated that is her opnion, and if she chooses to get pregnant and abort a baby, that is her life.

i am just saying that the way she made it seem was that she DID NOT agree totally w/ abortion (waht with the story of her friend and all) but that special needs was an acceptable reason. i was just trying to show that in my opinion, if you are making a list of ways to justify abortion that should not be included.




simone, im not trying to make you out to be heartless. i am just shocked. i love my sister more than anythign else, as well as loving my uncle and great uncle. to me, it is just sad that in some's eyes my sister's disability and the POSSIBILITY of her going to home is enough to say she shouldnt be alive at all.

I'm not judging her. I don't think you're a bad person Simmy...but I do not agree with what you've said. Not even a little.

I was replying to a post that was there but isn't now... or if it i can't see it. It was about just because you arnt ready for a kid you should abort? so no- i wasn't talking about mentally handicapped babies.

But it is not ok in my opinion to not have a child because something is wrong with it.





I believe to have an abortion for just about most every reason is wrong. Does that make YOUR opinion wrong. No! So you not liking her opinion does not make her wrong either.

I believe to have an abortion for just about most every reason is wrong. Does that make YOUR opinion wrong. No! So you not liking her opinion does not make her wrong either.

I don't think abortion is right no matter what the situation. She is entitled to her opinion, I said that from the start. It doesn't mean I have to like it. Frankly it bothered me.

I feel this way because when i miscarried, i was told that it happened because the baby just wasn't viable. And then they said to me- if i had of made it full term- my baby wouldn't have been healthy at all.

It's been 9 months since i got pregnant.. my girl was due on the 25th of July, so that has just passed. And the only way i have dealt with the whole situation was to think that it happened for a reason. I wouldn't have wanted my baby to be unhealthy - or suffer. And the same goes with handicapped. I would never just make that decision lightly. I just wouldn't want the baby to suffer.. but at the same time- i wouldn't want to lose it either. I don't think in that situation it would ever be easy.. especially if you know that one day- it could be a ward of the state- and then, it really wouldn't be treated ok.

Abortion is in no way an easy out for most people with a conscience :sadeyes


for most people. i was referring mostly to those women that use it as a form of birth control. i should've made that more clear sorry.

But thats just for me. I am not saying its ok for everyone. Jeez if you have the support, if you have the friends, if you have the services and everything else you will need- then there would be no reason to abort. I am just giving you my circumstance- i wouldnt have the support, the friends, the money nore the services to give the child what it needs. And there really is no government help in this.. except the 5 k you get once giving birth. Which dosn't go far.


And i think if you read my first post- you would see i was only talking about myself in that situation.

And please- don't think im ok with abortion- im not. Like i said- aborting just because you can't be bothered to use birth control isn't right. It's just wrong.

And also- handicapped children are no less then perfect. They just need more care and thats something i would not be able to provide.. it wouldn't be lack of love for the child.. no far from it.. lack of support and resources is more like it.

I am and always have been pro-choice but I, like many have said in this thread, do not believe it should be used as a form of 'birth control'. I personally do not know if I would ever be able to have one...but if it came down too it I would like to know that option was available.

It's sad that special needs children are still treated like that over there. I had no idea really...I learned a little bit about it in my classes, but wow...

This is a hard subject for me to talk about. I have never had one but I feel there are very few reasons for abortion those reasons are: medically necessary, incest or rape. Abortion is not birth control and I do not believe it should be allowed to be used as such for anyone.

Having said that here is your inside look ladies. And even after having 3 children I feel this way. I personally was the victim of molestation and rape for about 2 years. That does not include the other abuse I went through. I would have tried to commit suicide if I he would have suceeded in getting me pregnant and I was not allowed to get an abortion. I can not imagine having to of carried a child into the world unwilling because of being forced to have sex with an adult man. The damage that does to a persons self esteem is very harsh and it is very hard on that person mentally. Not to mention even if you give the baby up for adoption in closed proceedings that child can still come find you. I never would have wanted to face that again possibly in
18+ years. On the other side do you think a child wants to hear s/he is the result of their Mom being raped? It might be easier on the child hearig it but I know having that reminder surface out of no where would take its toll on me. I commend women who can keep babies after such horrible things have happened but I do not feel it is right to make that choice for someone who had no choice in the process. Especially a teen ager who might not have even started high school yet. Talking about it does cause me to lose my train of thought so I will stop here before this begins to ramble. I am not looking for hugs or sorry's I just want to let people who may have never even known someone go through such things know where in someone in my shoes is coming from. Again Abortion is not and IMO should never be used as birth control.

Medical is pretty good, we have medicare- and we are pretty set up in everything. But when it comes to housing the sick, elderly & handicapped- we are still catching up. In some areas- like Sydney- there are resources. Sydney however is extremely expensive and is extremely far away.

There is now just a WHOLE building for MS patients- finally!! But no- it wasn't funded by the government, it was funded by a charity. It's still getting built- but it's going to house MS patients- and only MS patients.

The mentally handicapped often get put in nursing homes - age care places. And well you can pay a dime for a decent one- with decent carers, and decent food. However for the people who arn't on a superstar budget- your looking at government funded. And that's not good. It never is really. I don't think its right for children to be put in a home where the elderly are dying, where there isn't as much attention for them as needed. I know some major charities are raising funds for down syndrome. And thats really good- its just there is never enough money going to charitys so it may take awhile.

I've misscarried and I don't see how that would make you support abortion. Even a child born with health problems and disabilities deserves life too.

Well maybe you should go walk out into the ghetto- take a look at all the kids on the street, SUFFERING, take a look at the junkies- that have children who are SUFFERING, take a look at those who dump their babies in dumpsters- and leave to die. Atleast with an abortion- that kid wont be feeling suffocation whilst in a garbage dumpster, atleast that kid won't be on the streets being prosituted by their own parents.. thats what i meant. If that makes me cruel- so be it. I just don't like to see kids suffer, and if thats what they have instore for them.. then why put them through it?

Abortion is legal.. and very available.. and you notice all those scituations are still there? Abortion isn't the answer to piece of crap people.

i know that. and i would have had my baby if it had half a brain and half a an eye. its just about the suffering. i hate to see it and i sure wouldnt want to see my child suffering.

thats very true. i personally dont think piece of crap people should have the chance to have babies- not if they are just going to hurt them in the end. and i dont mean by making them abort- perhaps more natural circumstances.. but that isnt going to happen.

i know that. and i would have had my baby if it had half a brain and half a an eye. its just about the suffering. i hate to see it and i sure wouldnt want to see my child suffering.

Like you sort of said before... when you miscarry it usually means there is something wrong with the baby.. BUT if the baby doesn't miss carry that USUALLY means they are perfectly healthy.

A lot of people here have had misscarriages, we do know how it feels.

Yeah, and i feel for you all.

I voted it depends. If there was a medical reason then yes I would at least think about it. If I was going to die because of that reason then yes I would. I think every woman has the right to choose. I don't think it should be used as a form of birth control.

My cousin is about to have an abortion because the baby shes pregnant with has a massive birth defect. The skin of the abdomin is not forming correctly and could be fixed with surgeries now while she pregnant and then many many more once the baby is born but the surgeries are very very risky to her and the baby. The baby, if born probably wouldn't even make it to its first birthday. This is her first pregnancy. When she first found out she was pregnant aboution was not an option for her but now shes had to change that for the sake of her health and that of the baby.

So I think it depends on why the abortion is needed.

I am pro choice. It is not my (or anyone else's) place to say whether another woman can or cannot have an abortion. But with that said, it does by no means mean that I agree with all reasons for abortion. For me abortion should NEVER be used as b/c. If you are old enough to decide on your own to have sex and get pregnant then you should be mature enough to accept the responsibilities that come with it. But if someone was raped, or if birth/pregnancy could lead to the mother's death, then yes, abortion should be available as an option. For me personally I don't think I could abort a baby just because I knew it would be disabled. But then again that would very much depend on the severety of disability and what it would mean for the life of the child after it is born.

I am pro choice. It is not my (or anyone else's) place to say whether another woman can or cannot have an abortion. But with that said, it does by no means mean that I agree with all reasons for abortion. For me abortion should NEVER be used as b/c. If you are old enough to decide on your own to have sex and get pregnant then you should be mature enough to accept the responsibilities that come with it. But if someone was raped, or if birth/pregnancy could lead to the mother's death, then yes, abortion should be available as an option. For me personally I don't think I could abort a baby just because I knew it would be disabled. But then again that would very much depend on the severety of disability and what it would mean for the life of the child after it is born.


Thats all i ever meant- i know i wouldn't be able to care for severely disabled child because i wouldn't have any sort of resources or money. It would break my heart and before i did it id probably try and apply for a massive loan - just so maybe i could. And if i won some money- ofcourse i would keep the baby. And if i won ALOT of money- i know i would put most of it to the funding of a place for severely disabled children, just so they can get what they deserve- which is the best. I have always vowed that if i came into alot of money id give atleast half to the charity of my choice. And right now thats breast & ovarian cancer. The quicker we get funding for illnesses- the quicker lives can be saved.

Really girls- i am sorry i didn't write my feelings out the way i meant to. I came across as harsh and i didn't think it would be misconsued like that. Its about 3 am here, and ive had a massively harsh day with my family and i am really not writing anything the right way. I never meant to offend.

I'm 110% pro-life. I believe that life begins with conception...when sperm meets egg is human life, and not something to be tampered with. In cases of rape, or just not being able to support a child, there are thousands of couples ready and willing to accept a baby into their lives, adopt and love him/her like their own. In the case of a mother's life being in jeopardy, I, being fairly strong in my religious beliefs, believe that if it's God's Will, whatever is meant to be will be. I'm not against modern medicine or anything drastic like that, but If I conceived a child and knew there would be a chance giving birth would kill me, I would have that child. Just My opinion, and I totally respect everyone else's views...it's just how I see things.

I am pro-life. There are some circumstances that an abortion is acceptable to me, but not that many. Life is so precious. But then again, I really have no right in what people do & I think people should make their own choices. I'm contradiciting myself....oh dear...I really don't know. I wouldn't have an abortion, that's all I'm sure of.

Thats all i ever meant- i know i wouldn't be able to care for severely disabled child because i wouldn't have any sort of resources or money. It would break my heart and before i did it id probably try and apply for a massive loan - just so maybe i could. And if i won some money- ofcourse i would keep the baby. And if i won ALOT of money- i know i would put most of it to the funding of a place for severely disabled children, just so they can get what they deserve- which is the best. I have always vowed that if i came into alot of money id give atleast half to the charity of my choice. And right now thats breast & ovarian cancer. The quicker we get funding for illnesses- the quicker lives can be saved.

Really girls- i am sorry i didn't write my feelings out the way i meant to. I came across as harsh and i didn't think it would be misconsued like that. Its about 3 am here, and ive had a massively harsh day with my family and i am really not writing anything the right way. I never meant to offend.

It seems to me that you're wish-washy. When someone questions your opinions and/or beliefs, you are so quick to change your mind.

Ahhh, another topic I feel really strongly about.

I believe in abortion ONLY when it is medically necessary or a woman has gotten pregnant through rape/molestation.

Other than that there is adoption. If someone is going to have sex then they should protect themselves. If not then they shouldn't be given an abortion. I was in this postion 6 years ago. I wasn't protecting myself when I got pg with Breanna. I didn't even think of abortion but I did toss around adoption. I was only 18, living with my dad, and John and I weren't really boyfriend/girlfriend. I would have had to get on welfare to support us. I had friend of mine really mad at me for even thinking of adoption but I felt it was the way to give her the best; things I wouldn't have been able to give her. John and I talked and decided to get married. Therefore, I felt it was best to keep her and make us a family. Had we not gotten married though I would have given her up for adoption.

I'm sure I ticked someone off so I'm going to duck for cover now. Please be gentle. :D

Ahhh, another topic I feel really strongly about.

I believe in abortion ONLY when it is medically necessary or a woman has gotten pregnant through rape/molestation.

Other than that there is adoption. If someone is going to have sex then they should protect themselves. If not then they shouldn't be given an abortion. I was in this postion 6 years ago. I wasn't protecting myself when I got pg with Breanna. I didn't even think of abortion but I did toss around adoption. I was only 18, living with my dad, and John and I weren't really boyfriend/girlfriend. I would have had to get on welfare to support us. I had friend of mine really mad at me for even thinking of adoption but I felt it was the way to give her the best; things I wouldn't have been able to give her. John and I talked and decided to get married. Therefore, I felt it was best to keep her and make us a family. Had we not gotten married though I would have given her up for adoption.

I'm sure I ticked someone off so I'm going to duck for cover now. Please be gentle. :D


I think you were beig responsible about your decision with that pregancy.

I am pro-life.

I think you were beig responsible about your decision with that pregancy.

Thank You. I aganized over it for several weeks before making my final decision. Even now, 6 years later, I think I made the right choice that if we had not married she would have been adopted. I'm very glad we got married. We did do it for her (I don't suggest this for everyone but it worked for us) but we are very much in love now and couldn't picture life any other way.

I'm Pro-Life .... always have been ... but I don't judge people and their actions...

I do believe that in certain circumstances it can't be avoided but just as a form of birth control it's never alright ....

And as far as a woman her body her choice .. she had a choice in the beginning .. it's called a CONDOM .. ;)

Ok, well, I read a few of the responses to this, just the first page... And I do believe in Pro-Choice. But not the extent that people are using it for birth control.... Everyone has a reason that they need to do things in life, and if there is something that someone has to do, then they do. Whether it's because of rape, or something else. An actual real reason.... But there is never a time when you should abortion as a form of birth control.

I said it depends...I think the ONLY time a woman should choose abortion is if she was raped and would emotionally not be able to handle having the baby. Any other time, I think if the child is unwanted that the mother should seriously take adoption into consideration.

I am pro-choice. It is not my position to tell anyone what to do with their life or body. As someone else said.... live and let live. BUT... I do believe that too many ppl use it as a sorce of birth control. I think they need to make the morning after pill more readily avilable to girls. I also think they need to make stricter guidelines for abortion though. I think that by banning abortion it will be disasterous... girls will be going back to hanger method and girls will be dieing. Adoption is always an option but many girls do make mistakes and cant have that as an option because of the tradtions or faith of their family. Just my opinion.

I've posted like maybe twice on here, but I wanted to chime in.

A lot of people are saying it's ok to abort when the child would be born into poverty or born with a handicap. Who says a child born into poverty can't become sucessful? Who says a person born with a handicap can't overcome it and live a happy life. The truth is anybody and everybody has a chance to be what they want and live how they want to live. It doesnt matter if you were born in a Harlem crackhouse or a Beverly Hills mansion. True, one might have to work harder at it than another, but the point remains.

I am pro-life with the exception of insest and a young girl becoming pregnant b/c of rape. There is adoption and I think that for the best interest of the child and the mom would be adoption in a lot of cases. My mom had 2 abortions when she was younger (I am lucky I am here!) and to this day it haunts her, she even tried to commit suicide b/c of it.

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