What do you think about those who get any sort of public assistance (wic, welfare etc.) yet live in a nice home, drive nice vehicles, have nice things, and mulitple children? This is a hot debate in our community right now. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.

Well, we had WIC until Dominic got to old. but living on one income a privatre at that (at the time) it helped us loads.

But I know what you mean I know this chick who just got a nice ride... among a couple of purses.. and was going in to get WIC. But then when she got it.. she hardly used it.. so it was a waste that it could have gone to someone who really needed it.

I have one child... I know it helped me loads when things are in a bind. But after we got off.. we just budgeted better... I mean a check would come out to be 12-15.00 or so... and that saved us on milk, eggs, cheese etc.. but i cant believe how the essentails are expensive.

I think if you can have all the nice things.. to let it be.. for thos who need it more.. etc.

I don't have a problem with people being on WIC, but I do have a problem with people using food stamps as an "income" or living in public housing while they drive brand new cars and keep having kids just to get a raise in their government benefits!

What do you think about those who get any sort of public assistance (wic, welfare etc.) yet live in a nice home, drive nice vehicles, have nice things, and mulitple children? This is a hot debate in our community right now. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.

Well, I have a really nice ring & I get WIC. Sometimes I don't even wear my ring when I go in for my apts b/c I'm stupid and care too much what people will think of me. He got me that ring & while I did try to take it back for something cheaper and he refused, it's mine and has meaning. We don't piss away our money, but that ring does make me feel embaressed sometimes.

That is the only really expensive thing we have bought taht we didn't really need. We also are using b.c. and one of the factors being that I don't want another kid anytime soon is b/c we need to be more financially stable.

So, no I don't get why people keep popping out babies if you really can't afford the 1 or 2 you have. I understand accidents, but after the 2nd time...:thinking I also wonder those that get assistance that have all these nice things...Sure, we could be racking up debt like no tomorrow on our cc's which I'm sure is what their doing, but we suck it up and live w/in our means (usually).

I have major issues with anyone living off the system who can afford nice things than I can living off the system!!

If they truely qualify I see no problem with them using it. If they are hiding income so that they do qualify that peeves me. However, WIC income limits are at 185% the national poverty level. MANY people qualify for WIC under their income requirement but quite a few qualify for other reasons.

I think what people are generally doing when they are getting assistance is that their using credit cards to buy those nice things :yes

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How does one get cc's to live off of when they have NO income other than assistance? That in itself is a problem in our country.
Our town is having problems with the wealthy (for this area) going to the local food bank. We had a meeting on Thursday but since it's a non profit and not funded by the state we cannot stop anyone from coming and getting a box of food.

I think what people are generally doing when they are getting assistance is that their using credit cards to buy those nice things :yes So, in a way, it really doesn't affect the tax payers- just screws them, themselves, over.
I feel if they ARE using cc's for their Louie purses, nails, cars, and clothes, they should be cut off of assistance and forced to either a. use the cc's for food, rent, and bills OR get a job!

I dont know, but I take back what I said about it not affecting the tax payers

I feel if they ARE using cc's for their Louie purses, nails, cars, and clothes, they should be cut off of assistance and forced to either a. use the cc's for food, rent, and bills OR get a job!


I agree...but really, how else coudl they afford it if they are making min. wage or not enough to be financially stable? Credit cards seem to be the answer to me :shrug

I had to think on your first statement Rach but I agree with you that it does in your retracted statement.

I don't know. Sometimes I wish I had the power to help these girls realize that there is an entire world or opportunity out there just waiting for them. I do get easily annoyed but at the same time it breaks my heart that they're content w/living off of the system.

Not always. I know someone who has section 8 vouchers and instead of getting her own place she and her 3 children live with her Mom and my Dad who have 3 kids of their own and she blows her money while their money goes to raise her kids. My brothers and sister do not even have their own beds in a 4 bdrm house. :mad That is their Mom and my Dad's fault though. But because she went through drug rehab she was handed everything to help her on a silver plate over night :mad

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I really hate it when parents don't use their public assistance $$ for what it's intended for. The $ should go toward paying rent, utilities, food, stuff for the kids, etc. Sure, some people may get nice things as gifts, but there are definitely the people who are misusing the $$.

It kills me because it gives people on welfare a bad name, when there are plenty of people who really need it. I have a family I'm working w/ that came to this country from a refugee camp in Africa. They came to this country with nothing to escape the violence and torture back home. They're barely getting by here and I'm glad that my tax $$ goes to families like that. The mom is taking classes to learn how to read, write, use currency, etc. in hopes that down the line she can get a job.

Lots of women who have left domestic violence situations need to go on welfare because they were so isolated that they do not work and haven't for many years.

But when parents complain about how they have no food, yet they have a brand new car, nails done, and a coach bag, it's really hard not to let my opinions get in the way.

when my mom was on WIC when she had me they were super super strict on her, the were telling her that she had to account for every single cent she got (including b-day money). now i'm not saying you can't get around it but don't you think that if the people in the office saw you drive up in a nice car and then hand out your vouchers, stamps, w/e and saw you get in it they would be a bit suspicious. i know they can't control it but i think if it was a very often occurence it would send up some red flags.
anyway, yes it drives me nuts when i see people using food stamps or vouchers in the grocery store and then see them get in the bmw or lexus parked in the parking lot. i know that doesn't mean anything necessarily it could've been a gift (if so hell let me know who got it for you). or the people who have like 6 kids in tow all under 8 using food stamps. it just annoys me, i don't know why but it does.

the problem with cc's and people on welfare are that cc companies will give a card to anyone no matter what. my uncle who has horrible credit will get cc offers for a 5,000 limit. hello that's what i get and i have perfect credit. the cc companies don't particularly care if you can afford to pay it off every month or not they make their money on the late charges.

With WIC though, they go by your pay. So regardless what I'm spending my money on, if his pay meets the requirements, than we're going to qualify :shrug

(but obviously if you qualify, that means you need the help and therefore, you really shouldn't be pissing your money away on frivolous crap)

Right and when these people run up their CC's bills and don't pay it hurts all of us consumers by raising the prices to cover the losses.

With WIC though, they go by your pay. So regardless what I'm spending my money on, if his pay meets the requirements, than we're going to qualify :shrug

(but obviously if you qualify, that means you need the help and therefore, you really shouldn't be pissing your money away on frivolous crap)

Rach I really should have NOT included WIC in my first post. That's my bad. I'm mainly talking about food stamps, HUD, childcare assistance, things of that nature.

My honest opinion is that if you are using assistance that means (or should mean) you need it. That should mean that you cannot afford to shop at lousi vuiton, coach or saks 5th ave. Old Navy and Gap type places have awesome clearance sales sometimes and I do not consider that to be to high end. But honestly it riles me when people think well I am getting this much money so now I can spend this on these things that I "want" rather than need.

Public assistance like food stamps and what not, is not near as much money as people think.

Some states such as Massacusetts does not give you anymore assistance for having more than 1 child and after your child is 2 you HAVE to work or they will cut off the assistance they give you. They call it "work-fare" in Massachusetts.

I don't like when people who are capable of working get public assistance by playing the system but there are a lot more stipulations and requirements than some people realize that make that harder than not.

Quite honestly when my ex husband left me and took every dime we had.. rent was due, we had no food ect... I had to apply for emergency assistance (which I recieved for 2 months only). I had to prove that I had no money and tell them what all my bills were ect. I had NO money. They qualified my based on me not having a dime and between food stamps and all the other assistance money I recieved $500 a month. My rent alone was $615. It's not something you can solely live on.

My mom works for the welfare system. Has since I was 2 yrs old. Actually she was on PA before that. I was on PA with Anya and after my divorce. In the state of CA it almost next to impossible to have PA and live in a nice home UNLESS you live there with other family members. There have been cases of people who qualify and live in a nice home, but they live there with their sisters and her family, parents, brothers and his family, etc.

From my personal experience I lived in a nice apartment becuase I couldn't afford rent so I became roomates with my mom. I had to have a contract drawn up that I paid a certain amount of money for rent and it had to be paid directly to the manager. I also drove a brand new car, at the time a 2004 Nissan Sentra only becuase it was fiananced through my mom and grandparents. I had nice things becuase I budgeted my money, worked at Old Navy and used my discount to my advantage.

As for food stamps in CA. There is no way to get cash for them. They are put onto a debit card that can only be used at grocery stores and only for food. Yes there are ways around it, like buying food for someone else and getting cash to it.

There are ways around everything in life. My question is how do you know that they are receiving PA? I always hear the complaint of "I hate people who take my tax dollars, sit on their ass, and drive mercedes." But honestly how in the world do you know they do this? In the state of CA there is a 5 yr limit of aid. You have to be in a work program or you have to be going to school. You have to jump through hoops to get your PA. They do not make it as easy as some people think they do and they are continually trying to make it harder.

In today's society nice things and a nice way of life is every where you look. It is always hard to get away from that mentatlity especially here in San Diego where the avg yr of a car is only 2 yrs old. Compared to other states where people drive things that are like 10 yrs old. I think society can be a pressure on people at times too. People use their Credit Cards to manage their way of life, and live pay check to paycheck. I also think that just becuase people look like they are living the cushy life doesn't always mean so.

You look at them and see new cars, nice clothes, etc but do you really know how they afford it without assuming it?

Like Sarah said too. The money you recieve from PA is not at all enough to survive on. I worked part time and recieved pa. between the two I barely made a total of 1050/mo. How is that enough to pay a car payment, rent, clothes for 2 kids, and myself? I was splitting rent too. Paid my own groceries and ws going to school full time.

I'd say free rent and utilities, food stamps (up to one hundred dollars per family member per month) free medical, and numerous donations from outside organizations make getting off of welfare hard. I agree that many need it and should use it but I also agree that at least in Pa they make it hard for people to want to get off of it. I'm all for the temporary help. Six months of full assistance and every month after that your allowances decrease.

All states are run differently. Obviously some like Sarah didn't receive enough while other states give so much they make it hard for those who have no pride to live off of it forever.

There are ways around everything in life. My question is how do you know that they are receiving PA? I always hear the complaint of "I hate people who take my tax dollars, sit on their ass, and drive mercedes." But honestly how in the world do you know they do this? In the state of CA there is a 5 yr limit of aid. You have to be in a work program or you have to be going to school. You have to jump through hoops to get your PA. They do not make it as easy as some people think they do and they are continually trying to make it harder.

In today's society nice things and a nice way of life is every where you look. It is always hard to get away from that mentatlity especially here in San Diego where the avg yr of a car is only 2 yrs old. Compared to other states where people drive things that are like 10 yrs old. I think society can be a pressure on people at times too. People use their Credit Cards to manage their way of life, and live pay check to paycheck. I also think that just becuase people look like they are living the cushy life doesn't always mean so.

You look at them and see new cars, nice clothes, etc but do you really know how they afford it without assuming it?

Like Sarah said too. The money you recieve from PA is not at all enough to survive on. I worked part time and recieved pa. between the two I barely made a total of 1050/mo. How is that enough to pay a car payment, rent, clothes for 2 kids, and myself? I was splitting rent too. Paid my own groceries and ws going to school full time.

I know this because I work with them. I know that they are receiving enough from the state to be able to finance new cars, charge and pay for nice UNNECESSARY items such as clothing, jewlery, purses, getting their hair and nails done. If you can afford those things I PERSONALLY feel as though you should loose most if not all of your entitlements. There are so many people who need assistance and it's cut short due to those that just use it as a crutch so they don't have to actually work hard and wait to buy nicer things.

that's the way it should be, you should only be able to receive aid to get back on your feet. i dislike the people that use it and continue to use it. in TX there is no limit as to how long that you can receive it. i think it needs to be a federal law that you can only receive it for 5 years and and if you have more than one kid (unless its a multiple birth b/c then you can't really help it) you should have to get a job and assist with your aid

Well, I have a really nice ring & I get WIC. Sometimes I don't even wear my ring when I go in for my apts b/c I'm stupid and care too much what people will think of me. He got me that ring & while I did try to take it back for something cheaper and he refused, it's mine and has meaning. We don't piss away our money, but that ring does make me feel embaressed sometimes.

That is the only really expensive thing we have bought taht we didn't really need. We also are using b.c. and one of the factors being that I don't want another kid anytime soon is b/c we need to be more financially stable.

So, no I don't get why people keep popping out babies if you really can't afford the 1 or 2 you have. I understand accidents, but after the 2nd time...:thinking I also wonder those that get assistance that have all these nice things...Sure, we could be racking up debt like no tomorrow on our cc's which I'm sure is what their doing, but we suck it up and live w/in our means (usually).

Our family never needed public assistance except for WIC. Even then after my sixth child I stopped using it after she was 1. My last two were purely "accidents". We planned for the first four.... It can happen. I was on BC. Popping more babies out is actually more expensive then getting the assistance from the state agencies. I really dont think people have that mentality.

Also sometimes you have to drive a nicer car. I am not saying that it is always neccessary to have a brand new car, but my dh does not want me stranded out in the middle of no where with a car that wont start. A newer car normally isnt going to be needing service.

Rach I really should have NOT included WIC in my first post. That's my bad. I'm mainly talking about food stamps, HUD, childcare assistance, things of that nature.

I was about to say, WIC is not public assistance. ;) Thank you for putting this in here, I was about to get mad. :hehe

I was about to say, WIC is not public assistance. ;) Thank you for putting this in here, I was about to get mad. :hehe
Well I consider it public assistance not welfare!

Well I consider it public assistance not welfare!

Technically it is not. :) It is not paid for by tax dollars, it is paid for by donations to the American Red Cross. Which is also not public assistance. Even though you must qualify for WIC by income and family size.

Technically it is not. :) It is not paid for by tax dollars, it is paid for by donations to the American Red Cross. Which is also not public assistance. Even though you must qualify for WIC by income and family size.
Ahh that may be true but in my mind I am not paying for it myself.:wink .. I was so grateful for it!!

It is not paid for by tax dollars, it is paid for by donations to the American Red Cross.

Wow, I didn't know that!

Wow, I didn't know that!
You learn something new everyday!!!:wink

this is hard for me to decide...although like someone said you really dont know the persons situation, but when you see someone who doesnt look like they should be driving a mercedes, people tend to sterotype(thats a whole other debate) but when you DO know they dont need it but receive it anyway? I'd report their asses. the start of the thread, there was something mentioned about food boxes. cant the non profit organization chose who they give them too? and if these people are reported to them, then they'll be aware and not give them the food...IDK...

Technically it is not. :) It is not paid for by tax dollars, it is paid for by donations to the American Red Cross. Which is also not public assistance. Even though you must qualify for WIC by income and family size.

WIC is a USDA program. USDA is a government department which receives its money from tax dollars. USDA then gives a grant to WIC each year.


WIC has nothing to do with the Red Cross.

WIC is a USDA program. USDA is a government department which receives its money from tax dollars. USDA then gives a grant to WIC each year.


WIC has nothing to do with the Red Cross.

In Ca WIC is run by the American Red Cross which is supported via donations and has the backing of The U.S. Department of Agriculture to keep it safegaurded. Here in San Diego it is also kept lalive by donations from SDSU which helps run the program as well.

In Ca WIC is run by the American Red Cross which is supported via donations and has the backing of The U.S. Department of Agriculture to keep it safegaurded. Here in San Diego it is also kept lalive by donations from SDSU which helps run the program as well.


Their office might be in a building with red cross (or a hospital, school, their own building, a military building....) but it is not ran nor funded by red cross. If you can find anywhere that states differently then I will accept it. But I have worked for local and state agencies and am pretty good with the ins and outs of WIC. Also, I checked the CA WIC website and still could not find anything that relates WIC and Red Cross.

ok I guess i'm bad...I walk in to get my WIC checks after getting out of my Expedition while carring my Dooney purse!

ok I guess i'm bad...I walk in to get my WIC checks after getting out of my Expedition while carring my Dooney purse!

:lol

http://www.fns.usda.gov/wic/WIC-Fact-Sheet.pdf

Program Delivery

WIC is not an entitlement program as Congress does not set aside funds to allow every eligible individual to participate in the program. WIC is a Federal grant program for which Congress authorizes a specific amount of funds each year for the program. WIC is

administered at the Federal level by FNS
administered by 90 WIC state agencies, through approximately 46,000 authorized retailers.
WIC operates through 2,000 local agencies in 10,000 clinic sites, in 50 State health departments, 34 Indian Tribal Organizations, the District of Columbia, and five territories (Northern Mariana, American Samoa, Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Virgin Islands).
Examples of where WIC services are provided:
county health departments
hospitals
mobile clinics (vans)
community centers
schools
public housing sites
migrant health centers and camps
Indian Health Service facilities [/QUOTE]

http://www.fns.usda.gov/wic/WIC-Fact-Sheet.pdf



does it say on there it is Red Cross?

Established as a pilot program in 1972 and made permanent in 1974, WIC is administered at the Federal level by the Food and Nutrition Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture. Formerly known as the Special Supplemental Food Program for Women, Infants, and Children, WIC's name was changed under the Healthy Meals for Healthy Americans Act of 1994, in order to emphasize its role as a nutrition program.

I don't see Red Cross anywhere

Each state is allowed to make some choices within the federal regulations. Basically they are allowed to offer different foods, like beans or peanut butter. Some states you do not get that choice. They say you have to get beans.

But the basics are controlled by the USDA.

What do you think about those who get any sort of public assistance (wic, welfare etc.) yet live in a nice home, drive nice vehicles, have nice things, and mulitple children? This is a hot debate in our community right now. I would love to hear your thoughts on this.

I have 3 kids, have nice cars, and have nice things and have been on food stamps and am on wic now. If I am eligible, why shouldn't I take advantage of something there to assist our family. Just because I believe in "quality" doesn't mean I don't deserve the extra help. I am eligible because someone that runs the programs feels that this is the income level that needs the help. Technically, we live in poverty. I know how to budget, which allows us to buy quality things, when we need it. That does not make me a moocher, or slacker. Everything isn't always what meets the eye. ;) You could look at my kids and see well dressed children, we have 3 nice vehicles, and quality funiture in our home. I bargain shop and 2 of those vehicles were given to us. So you never know. If I could make it without the assistance, I would. But I know how much that assistance helps our family's quality of life, so why should I deny the help? Not everyone continues to have kids for the assistance. I didn't "choose" to get pregnant with any of my children, my son was a product of rape, my 2 girls and this child are products of different birth controls. So it's easy to look at the surface and make opinions but you never truly know a situation unless you are living it. So if the assistance is available then it's not my place to judge anyone using it. Plus, public assistance is becoming much harder to obtain and there are ways they are trying to prevent the abuse of the assistance. People still do it but I figure it helps more people than not.

Where did I say it didn't recieve funding or backing from the USDA/tax dollars? No where I said they did and I also said that here in San Diego, ca that it also ran by the American Red Cross and the SDSU Foundation. The employees at WIC are American Red Cross employees or interns from SDSU working on their social workers degree.

No where did I say they did not receive any funding from tax dollars. If I did please point me to that post.

Where did I say it didn't recieve funding or backing from the USDA/tax dollars? No where I said they did and I also said that here in San Diego, ca that it also ran by the American Red Cross and the SDSU Foundation. The employees at WIC are American Red Cross employees or interns from SDSU working on their social workers degree.

No where did I say they did not receive any funding from tax dollars. If I did please point me to that post.


all I'm doing is asking for proof that WIC in San Diego CA is ran by the American Red Cross. I do not believe this to be true in any way.

Technically it is not. :) It is not paid for by tax dollars, it is paid for by donations to the American Red Cross. Which is also not public assistance. Even though you must qualify for WIC by income and family size.


this is where it was stated it is not paid for by tax dollars and this is the post I quoted.

all I'm doing is asking for proof that WIC in San Diego CA is ran by the American Red Cross. I do not believe this to be true in any way.

http://www.dhs.ca.gov/pcfh/wic/localAgency/grants/bestpractices/ARC.htm

I had to call my mom and get it from her. But yes in San Diego it is run and operated by the american red cross. They receive their money from tax dollars but they are also ran on Donations from ARC and SDSU.

http://www.wic-sdsu.org/dietetic_info.html

To prove that SDSU has a hand in the WIC pot too

And I was not the one who said they were ran entirely on donations. Thank you.

http://www.sandiegowic.org/

http://www.dhs.ca.gov/pcfh/wic/localAgency/grants/bestpractices/ARC.htm

I had to call my mom and get it from her. But yes in San Diego it is run and operated by the american red cross. They receive their money from tax dollars but they are also ran on Donations from ARC and SDSU.

http://www.wic-sdsu.org/dietetic_info.html

To prove that SDSU has a hand in the WIC pot too

And I was not the one who said they were ran entirely on donations. Thank you.
I dont think any of this was directed at you!

In San Diego, it is run by the Red Cross. Call to ask info about it and Red Cross answers... the woman who helped me a few days ago was a Red Cross volunteer. Like Piggy pointed out, the website is Red Cross. It might be different up there, but in San Diego, it is run by Red Cross. Can I say Red Cross one more time so that the words finally lose all meaning? :roflmao

CALIFORNIA WIC FACTS:

What is WIC?

WIC is the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants and Children, a 100% federally funded program that provides nutritious food (via prescriptive vouchers), individual counseling, and health care referrals to high-risk, low-income (up to 185% of poverty) women and children up to the age of five. The purpose of the WIC program is to prevent poor birth outcomes, such as infant mortality and low birth weight, and to improve the nutrition and health of participants. Dozens of scientific studies have shown WIC to be a cost-effective and positive public health intervention.

I dont think any of this was directed at you!

To say that I said that it was ran entirely on donations though was. When I didn't. It was Jen. I said it was ran via the ARC and SDSU. :D

In San Diego, it is run by the Red Cross. Call to ask info about it and Red Cross answers... the woman who helped me a few days ago was a Red Cross volunteer. Like Piggy pointed out, the website is Red Cross. It might be different up there, but in San Diego, it is run by Red Cross. Can I say Red Cross one more time so that the words finally lose all meaning? :roflmao

:lol

CALIFORNIA WIC FACTS:

Well if thats the case then the San Diego health and human agency, red cross and SDSU are all wrong to say it's ran via the ARC.

As I previously stated WIC local agencies can be ran out of any building. CA must just choose to use Red Cross offices as they are most convenient for them. This does not mean that WIC is ran nor funded by RC. RC is associated with the Best Practices Grants that WIC gives to them to promote breastfeeding in CA.

What is the connection between the American Red Cross and the WIC Program?
The American Red Cross WIC Program is unique to San Diego. The San Diego/Imperial Counties Chapter is currently the only American Red Cross chapter in the country that administers the WIC Program. This WIC/Red Cross partnership developed when the WIC Program was first initiated in the state of California in 1974. Red Cross Nursing personnel were working with pregnant, inner city teens and saw that administration of the WIC Program seemed a perfect way to assist these young mothers. The San Diego/Imperial Counties Chapter of the American Red Cross proudly brings a 100 year history of health promotion and humanitarian service to our administration of the WIC Program.

WIC is also funded, in part, by private industry

From the San Diego American Red Cross website.

www.sdarc.org

I was just trying to post the same thing. It kept telling me my message was too short.

This shows all the programs that WIC funds in CA to help with education and breastfeeding promotion.

http://www.wicworks.ca.gov/localAgency/grants/bestpractices/bp_table.htm

I was just trying to post the same thing. It kept telling me my message was too short.


:yes you cant make the whole thing a quote

:yes you cant make the whole thing a quote


I didn't know that, thank you.

Thanks! That is what I was looking for. You do learn something every day. It's great that in San Diego they joined forces. The help WIC dietitians get from RC translators makes a huge impact I'm sure. :five

I have 3 kids, have nice cars, and have nice things and have been on food stamps and am on wic now. If I am eligible, why shouldn't I take advantage of something there to assist our family. Just because I believe in "quality" doesn't mean I don't deserve the extra help. I am eligible because someone that runs the programs feels that this is the income level that needs the help. Technically, we live in poverty. I know how to budget, which allows us to buy quality things, when we need it. That does not make me a moocher, or slacker. Everything isn't always what meets the eye. ;) You could look at my kids and see well dressed children, we have 3 nice vehicles, and quality funiture in our home. I bargain shop and 2 of those vehicles were given to us. So you never know. If I could make it without the assistance, I would. But I know how much that assistance helps our family's quality of life, so why should I deny the help? Not everyone continues to have kids for the assistance. I didn't "choose" to get pregnant with any of my children, my son was a product of rape, my 2 girls and this child are products of different birth controls. So it's easy to look at the surface and make opinions but you never truly know a situation unless you are living it. So if the assistance is available then it's not my place to judge anyone using it. Plus, public assistance is becoming much harder to obtain and there are ways they are trying to prevent the abuse of the assistance. People still do it but I figure it helps more people than not.

Joy I think you missed my post when I stated that I work w/those on assistance and yes even after your post I find it wrong to ASK for assistance when you can afford the finer things in life. I don't understand how someone can accept help for food when they sit in a house w/ cable, DLS, cell phones, etc. Assistance isn't meant to help people afford luxuries it was started to help people afford necessities.

Joy I think you missed my post when I stated that I work w/those on assistance and yes even after your post I find it wrong to ASK for assistance when you can afford the finer things in life. I don't understand how someone can accept help for food when they sit in a house w/ cable, DLS, cell phones, etc. Assistance isn't meant to help people afford luxuries it was started to help people afford necessities.

But you don't know that do you? I had cell phones but I didn't have a land line, I didn't have cable tv but I had cable internet for school because uploading my homework and doing my online work would not be feasible on dial up with the time limits given for somethings. Just as an example that just because it "appears" to be one way, you don't know that is the case. Either way, it never really bothered me what anyone thought. The assistance was there for a reason, and yes, I took full advatage of the help available, when needed. I don't fault you for your feelings, just as it's my right to use what's available to me if I need it. Some higher power makes that final decision on what income ratio is eligible for the help, not me or anyone else.

I don't agree with abusing the system, but I don't think it's anyones place to make any rash assumptions either. Just my opinion, of course. :D

But you don't know that do you? I had cell phones but I didn't have a land line, I didn't have cable tv but I had cable internet for school because uploading my homework and doing my online work would not be feasible on dial up with the time limits given for somethings. Just as an example that just because it "appears" to be one way, you don't know that is the case. Either way, it never really bothered me what anyone thought. The assistance was there for a reason, and yes, I took full advatage of the help available, when needed. I don't fault you for your feelings, just as it's my right to use what's available to me if I need it. Some higher power makes that final decision on what income ratio is eligible for the help, not me or anyone else.

I don't agree with abusing the system, but I don't think it's anyones place to make any rash assumptions either. Just my opinion, of course. :D

Joy I wasn't directing ANY of my posts towards YOU only those that I DO WORK WITH.

Joy I wasn't directing ANY of my posts towards YOU only those that I DO WORK WITH.

Yeah, I went back and read. I get all riled up about this topic. :blush I don't agree with the financial assistance for so long, and for so much money. :no I did think that they required some kind of accountability for that stuff. :shrug I guess each state is different.