I'm extremely interested in this debate, seeing as how diverse the respones have been on two separate topics. This WILL upset some people, regardless of how tactfully I word this. But, in the search for knowledge, I'm willing to accept that.

For those of us who do not believe in vaccinations, for whatever reason, what is your stance on ANY other type of medication? Motrin, Advil, Midol and other over-the-counter drugs aside. Would you allow your child to take Prozac if two or more doctors tell you that your child has high anxiety? How about letting your S.O. take Rogaine if he begins losing his hair?

I *think* I know what your answers are going to be, but based on previous excursions through these message boards, I'm NEVER suprised to see responses I don't expect. If you don't feel comfortable discussing this in an open forum, but don't mind speaking to me about it, please IM me. I'm VERY VERY curious about this.

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Ok really, I vaccinate my children so I have bothing to add to this right now.

I delayed vaccination. I also chose to NOT vaccinate for the chicken pox. My reasons are personal, no amount of evidence would have persuaded me.


I think antibiotics are abused. When my kids were seen at the NMC, they were given antibiotics at the first sign of a runny nose, fever rash, rug burn, or anything else, before blood tests came back, it was automatic. Strains of bacteria and viruses are stronger now and if some research is to be believed, it leads back to the overuse of antibiotics.

Anti-psychotics... the jury is out for me on this one, again I think there are things that are over diagnosed. Bi-polar disorder comes to mind. 5-8 yrs ago, anyone who walked into a pyschiatrist was bi-polar. I do believe some people are, Im not denying that it exists. I think a lot of people who have been medicated for this disorder though, weren't.

Ive worked with children who were way over medicated, or medicated for things that they truly did not have, even my own older children were, Im sure of it now. 15 yrs ago I wasnt.

Rogaine... umm well if my dh wanted to take it, who am I to tell another adult no? :dunno I can answer with fair certainty that A) he wouldnt ever need it and B) He wouldnt ever take it.

DOUBLE POST :D

i posted some websites in aprils post that support my feelings. we are a non-vax family.........for now. if down the road something should come about and he needs shots we will cross that bridge when we get there. the ingrediants in the vaccinations is what i question. the thoughts of giving my son aborted fetal cells turns my stomach. ds immune system is still developing and i dont want to damage it.

as for aspirin.........we dont use it. bad for the liver. ;)

i posted some websites in aprils post that support my feelings. we are a non-vax family.........for now. if down the road something should come about and he needs shots we will cross that bridge when we get there. the ingrediants in the vaccinations is what i question. the thoughts of giving my son aborted fetal cells turns my stomach. ds immune system is still developing and i dont want to damage it.

as for aspirin.........we dont use it. bad for the liver. ;)


Do you have some other website that supports this "claim" of aborted fetal cells in vaccines??? Because a website that is anti vaccine is not substantial

Do you have some other website that supports this "claim" of aborted fetal cells in vaccines??? Because a website that is anti vaccine is not substantial


you can google and see what you get.

Wow, I have never heard the aborted fetal cells before....yuck!!! My son has been vaccinated and so has my cat.I have never known anyone who has not vaccinated there children .I dont really have an oppinion either way ,but I didnt even think you had a choose not to vaccinate. I probably still would have done it though . Now im kinda curious other reasons people wouldnt vaccinate .

Wow, I have never heard the aborted fetal cells before....yuck!!! My son has been vaccinated and so has my cat.I have never known anyone who has not vaccinated there children .I dont really have an oppinion either way ,but I didnt even think you had a choose not to vaccinate. I probably still would have done it though . Now im kinda curious other reasons people wouldnt vaccinate .


that is what is great about debates! learn something new everyday!:thumbsup

Didn't see much of a basis for saying that there are dead/aborted fetal cells....more of anti vaccine sites and then some .gov ones that say how whatever bad ingredietns that were there have been changed and are much more safer..:shrug

I personally will always vaccinate and will do it on time. As far as tylenol or motrin goes....yes, I do give it but only when absolutely neccesary. The only aspirin in our house is the one my dh takes every now and again. For the rest....no opinion at this time because neither of my children need any antipsychotics...that is one hurdle I will face if it is ever neccesary.

My dh shaves his head...he is resigned with the fact that he was and is going bald naturally so no need for rogaine!!:lol

I will vaccinate my child(ren) for the 'bigger' things (tetanus, MMR etc). But chicken pox, flu etc will not be part of it. IMO those are optional and in most cases not neccesary.
As far as other medications go I have noticed that generally speaking there is a huge cultural difference when it comes to those. Be it vitamin pills, aspirin, motrin, OTC sleeping aids, flu/cold medication etc, I noticed that the majority of Americans can be rather quick to use these instead of letting something run its natural course. That is not to say that this is the case for everyone, nor that there aren't cases where it is validated to take them but overall it is a lot more common here than it is in Germany.

I honestly have a very strong opinion about this subject. I feel that vaccination is the best way to protect our children from some very serious illnesses. I have personal feelings...my best friend in grade school was from a non-vax family...his parents didnt' believe in it. As a result, he caught whooping cough, pneomonia, etc. on so many occasions that he was sick all the time. He didn't get to have the childhood he could have had.
I know that children get sick regardless of vaccinations, but I guarantee that the first time you hear your son or daughter cough up part of their insides because they have whooping cough...you'll reconsider.
My son does take tylenol or motrin when necessary. I would much rather worry about the small side effects he may have from that little dosage than what would happen to his brain if his fever reached 104 or 105 and yes, it has been close to that before. You can do what you want with your children, but make sure you have strong reasons and that you do your research.

ia m going to vax when i have kids unless there are wide sweeping deaths and injuries (alikened to those with phen-phen). as for tylenol, motrin, etc etc over the counter medications in general i think yes they are completely appropriate. there is no reason to deny a child or anyone else medication since if they've got a migraine you can't push on their head and get a direct area of pain like you could with a broken ankle.

anti-psychotics are a touchy subject for me. i do NOT believe that under ANY CIRCUMSTANCE they should just be given out. i have been diagnosed with bipolar and that was after 5 years in therapy for a major depressive disorder--my therapist and i were not relating properly and weren't getting anywhere so she and i made the split. as soon as i went into therapy with my new therapist she noticed something was different--that it wasn't just major depressive disorder. she didn't know what but something was. so she ran a battery of tests and it came back that i had some of the co-morbid disorders for bi-polar (aggression and authority resistent and passive and malleable at the same time). she referred me to a pyschiatrist who reviewed the test results and spoke with me for about an hour and another half hour with my grandma about what i was like at home how i acted, etc etc. my therapist was the one who originally diagnosed me with potentially having rapid cycling bi-polar disorder. my psychiatrist agreed and started me on a course of medication.
i believe, same as i do with add/adhd, that if there is a NEED for a medication there is no reason for not giving it to the person. if a person is psychotic and needs antipsychotics like Haldol to save their life or someone elses then give it to them.

as for antibiotics i only go to the doctor when i'm really sick with a cold or when i'm having pains (like back spasms continuously or severe migraines or things like that). i waited so long to go to the dr. when i had my staph that they almost put me in the hospital. i'm much more of a take it as it comes and pop over the counter cold medicine if i think i'm getting the flu.

if dh wants to take medications then by all means its like honey take it. i'm not going to stop him unless i think its a problem like he's abusing it.

Having a degree in science (and having to take several pharmacology courses) I understand better how meds and vacs work. I'm not against any of them when used properly. I agree that ignorance is what sparks fear, knowledge is a great weapon.

I agree that ignorance is what sparks fear, knowledge is a great weapon.

i totally agree:yes

We have always vaccinated our children and always will. We believe in medication when used correctly. We believe in researching side effects of medication before taking it, even if the doctors prescribe it (like bc pills, diabetes meds, ect).

For those that don't vaccinate and don't believe in medications because of the side effects, did you get an ultra sound while pregnant? Amnio? Drugs during child birth? What about if you were ever diagnosed with gestational diabetes or even diabetes later in life?

I will vaccinate my children, and I believe strongly in vaccinations. As for vaccinations like the flu vaccine, etc, most of them I personally need because I have a very weak immune system and when I do get sick, I get deathly sick. My doctor won't take any chances by not vaccinating me. My doctor gives me orders to get just about every vaccine out there, and I have never had a problem with any of them. Kids in my towns school systems need to be up to date on their shots in order to go to school here.

Having a degree in science (and having to take several pharmacology courses) I understand better how meds and vacs work. I'm not against any of them when used properly. I agree that ignorance is what sparks fear, knowledge is a great weapon.

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