View Full Version : UK car seat age laws extended to 12yr olds


Mao
08-27-2006, 12:11 PM
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/5279142.stm - some of the comments made me laugh!)

Take your seats

From next month, many children who thought they had grown out of sitting in child car seats will have to go back into them, as new rules come into force. And among parents there is widespread uncertainty about what the new laws mean.

From 18 September, children up to the age of 12, or up to the height of 135 cm, will have to use safety seats - which could mean that youngsters who have spent several years in adult seats will now need to return to using child seats.

Safety campaigners and motorists' organisations have all welcomed the changes - which the Department for Transport says will reduce the number of child casualties in traffic accidents by about 2,000 per year. But there are serious concerns that families are not receiving adequate information about what seats they will need and how the new regulations will operate. And failure to comply will mean court fines up to £500.

"We have been receiving an awful lot of calls from very confused motorists," says Sheila Rainger of the RAC Foundation. "These drivers know something is changing over child car seats - but beyond that they don't know where to get any information."

Worried parents

"We need some really simple-to-understand guidance for parents," she says.

The AA Motoring Trust also echoes this concern, saying they're also receiving anxious calls from people uncertain about the requirements. And retailers are reporting consumer confusion. Caroline Reynolds, who works in the nursery section at John Lewis, says customers ask: "Is this really true?"

A spokesman for the Department for Transport says the message has reached parents and that people will recognise that it's an important step in reducing injuries. And the Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents (Rospa) says that it's not about catching people out, but taking the next step in improving the safety of children in cars.

Rospa's road safety officer, Duncan Vernon, says almost 8,000 children are killed or injured in car accidents each year and the new rules should reduce that by a quarter. In particular, it will address the injuries caused by children who are not correctly restrained in the back seats - with a collision at 30mph throwing a child forward with a force that is 30 to 60 times its body weight.

Belt up

While parents are usually careful about protecting babies and young toddlers, many children stop using car seats before they're physically large enough for an adult safety belt - which are designed for people who are 150 cm (about 5 feet) and taller.

If there's a crash and a child less than this height is wearing an adult belt it can cause serious damage to the child's internal organs.

The idea of tightening the regulations is to make sure that children use safety seats longer - until they're tall enough for adult seat belts, with the legal threshold set at 135 cm (about 4 feet 5 inches) or 12 years of age.

This doesn't mean having to buy a child seat with back or head protection: the requirement is that children are raised to a sufficient height. This legal minimum would be covered by a the backless plastic seats - sometimes called "booster cushions" - which cost about £20. But there are also car seats, including side protection, which can cost more than £200.

There are exceptions to the new regulations. If there is a one-off "unexpected necessity", parents are allowed to waive the restrictions - but this will not apply to the school run. If families take turns in picking up each others' primary school children, they will now have to equip their car with enough appropriate car seats.

However, in another exception, many cars are not big enough to accommodate three seats across the back - so families in such cases will be able to travel with only two car seats.

Baby-seat embarrassment

A tougher question could be persuading image-conscious children who have stopped using car seats to get back into a "baby seat".

Maeve, a seven-year-old from south London, says she wouldn't mind going back to a booster seat if other children of her age had to do the same - and that sitting higher would mean seeing "more than just the tops of trees".

But her older sister, Anna, aged nine, was less convinced and complained about being squashed and uncomfortable in a child seat. Pride could also be bruised.

"It would be embarrassing if you had to use one when none of your other friends did - people who are not tall enough might get teased about being in a baby seat," she said.

The Department for Transport has tips such as letting children give the seat a name. "He will be happier to sit on 'Henry' the seat if it's a name he has chosen." Perhaps.

Another major unresolved problem is the question of making sure that car seats are correctly fitted.

Fitting a seat

Anyone who has wrestled with a child seat will know how difficult they can be to install - and without taking it to be checked by an expert, there's no clear way of knowing if it is correctly secured.

"The number of misfitted seats is a large concern for us - we've got results from all kinds of surveys suggesting that it is up to 70% or 80%," says Rospa's Duncan Vernon.

This figure would suggest that many of the newly-bought car seats are going to end up being incorrectly installed - undermining the safety improvements.

But Mr Vernon says the big improvement on the horizon is a new international standard which makes car seats easier to secure, called International Standards Organisation FIX (Isofix).

This system, now being put into new cars, gives a much more rigid connection - and when it's connected correctly a green light shows.

But even though it's about child safety, it's still about cost - and Isofix systems are currently about twice the price of standard fittings. Mary Davis, who buys car seats for John Lewis, says that Isofix prices are going to come down.

But in the next few weeks, in the run up to the deadline for the new seat regulations, the RAC says the "serious problem" is the lack of public knowledge for families.

"Being realistic, parents are busy people. They want to do the best for their children, but it's important to make it as easy as possible to get that information," says Ms Rainger.

JudyB
08-27-2006, 12:18 PM
Wow...I was just looking at ours and we are that strict....but after reading the article it does make a lot of valid points to keep kids in car/booster seats for a longer time!! I know my son isn't quite 5 foot and the over the shoulder seat belt is too big for him and thats what the back seat of our car has. Thanks for sharing that Sonia!!

Mao
08-27-2006, 12:21 PM
No problem :) One of the comments made suggested that car manufacturers make seatbelts that are adjustable to height. I'm not sure if someone's already thought of it but it sounds like a really good idea.

Debra
08-27-2006, 12:22 PM
:thumbsup

Thanks for sharing that, Sonia!

Here in Texas any child under age 5 & under 36 inches tall must be in a carseat. But I still feel it should be until atleast age 8....which is why we bought the Britax Husky seats to accomodate a child at that age. :)

MW5M
08-27-2006, 12:34 PM
TN & KY are both now 8 & 80. I think a lot of states will follow that trend.

Debra
08-27-2006, 12:49 PM
TN & KY are both now 8 & 80. I think a lot of states will follow that trend.

Awesome! I wish Texas would hurry up, though! They'll probably be the last ones to follow suit! :no

harrisonsdream
08-27-2006, 12:58 PM
its a law that is spreading. it'll take awhile to get everywhere. but its definitely a good idea

Caimbrie
08-27-2006, 01:21 PM
I understand why they are making the laws more strict and it's a good idea, but it does seam crazy to make a child that old sit in a child seat.

I am not even 5'1" and the shoulder belt is big big me.. but I'm not sitting in a child seat lol.

Debra
08-27-2006, 01:25 PM
I don't think it's crazy! I think it's smart! My 7 year old is very tall for his age but even with the seat belt adjuster thing that is in my vehicle, the seat belt still would not sit on him properly. I'd much rather have him properly restrained in a carseat than have him injured or decapitated by the seatbelt.

I agree with the adjustable seat belts. Isn't there some vehicles that have the seat belts that move up & down? I could have sworn I've seen some before!

=Mrs.AiNokeA=
08-27-2006, 01:27 PM
I understand why they are making the laws more strict and it's a good idea, but it does seam crazy to make a child that old sit in a child seat.

I am not even 5'1" and the shoulder belt is big big me.. but I'm not sitting in a child seat lol.

I was just thinking of that... what about adults that are just short. I have a friend who is under 5' 0" and I dont think she should have to sit in a child seat. :giggle I guess maybe that's where the age comes in. :dunno :D

Jill
08-27-2006, 01:29 PM
I agree with the adjustable seat belts. Isn't there some vehicles that have the seat belts that move up & down? I could have sworn I've seen some before!


our car does but only for the front seats. trent will stay in a car seat until he is 8 or 9. we are in no rush to even have him face forward yet.

Debra
08-27-2006, 01:29 PM
I was just thinking of that... what about adults that are just short. I have a friend who is under 5' 0" and I dont think she should have to sit in a child seat. :giggle I guess maybe that's where the age comes in. :dunno :D

See but I know for a fact your short, skinny butt fits perfectly in a carseat! Wanna borrow one? :lmao

You know I luv ya! :lovestruck

JudyB
08-27-2006, 01:29 PM
I think it will work great if they do like they are doing in the UK...height and weight need to play a factor!! The US is more about the weight but the problem therein lies that some kids are 5,6,7 years old that weight as much as say a 10 or 11 yo. age, height and weight is what it needs to be based on and I really hope we can do that!!

As far as the adjustable seat belts....so far I have only seen them in the front seat...but I would love to know what vehicles have them in the back!

Germanchick
08-27-2006, 01:50 PM
Germany has the same law and has had it since 1993. Children under 12 or under 150cm (4"9') have to be in a booster seat to raise them up since safety belts are made for adults. So if a 12 year old is smaller than 4"9 he/she does NOT need a booster seat although it is advised. If a child younger than 12 is taller than 4"9 he/she does NOT need a booster seat either.

Elizabeth
08-27-2006, 01:51 PM
Children from approximately 40-80 pounds and 4'9" should ride in a belt positioning booster seat.

According to FL law I should have been in a booster seat till I was almost 15! I didn't grow bigger than that till then... and it wasn't by much. I weigh 95 pounds and I am just barely pushing 5 foot.
I have seen cars with adjustable seatbelts, but only in the front. The ones in the back don't fit me now.

Caimbrie
08-27-2006, 02:01 PM
I don't think it's crazy! I think it's smart! My 7 year old is very tall for his age but even with the seat belt adjuster thing that is in my vehicle, the seat belt still would not sit on him properly. I'd much rather have him properly restrained in a carseat than have him injured or decapitated by the seatbelt.

I agree with the adjustable seat belts. Isn't there some vehicles that have the seat belts that move up & down? I could have sworn I've seen some before!

My drivers seat and passengers seat have adjustable height on the shoulder belts but just those 2 seats and they are still high for me at the lowest setting lol.

JudyB
08-27-2006, 02:11 PM
My drivers seat and passengers seat have adjustable height on the shoulder belts but just those 2 seats and they are still high for me at the lowest setting lol.


I'm the same way too!!LOL

harrisonsdream
08-27-2006, 03:32 PM
I understand why they are making the laws more strict and it's a good idea, but it does seam crazy to make a child that old sit in a child seat.

I am not even 5'1" and the shoulder belt is big big me.. but I'm not sitting in a child seat lol.


:lol i'm short too but every car i've been in you can adjust the height of the top of the seatbelt...they have the little height adjuster that you slide up and down

Ste9
08-27-2006, 05:47 PM
They have cushion type things that short adults can sit on to raise them up to the correct height for the seat belt. I have a friend who is 4'6 or 4'8 don't remember and she used it to see over the steering wheel.

In Rod's car there is a clip that goes on the seat belt that lowers it for kids who ride in the back seat. He has a Saturn. That's what my kids use when they ride in his car.

I agree with the extended use of booster seats. CA is 6 years or 60 pounds. My kids aren't allowed to sit in the shoulder belt unless it fits them correctly without laying against their neck. They think I'm just being mean.

mossey2000
08-27-2006, 07:34 PM
I'm going to keep the boys in a 5pt harness as long as possible. I think it's a good idea. I wish most people would just get the concept of carseats around here though

MelissaMc424
08-28-2006, 12:05 AM
We bought Camryn an Evenflo Bolero that converts from a regular carseat with harness, to a booster.. It accomodates children up to 100 lbs. So we're covered... LOL...

I agree with the carseat laws, but I just wish that they were the same EVERYWHERE.... I think it's BS for each state to have a different height/weight/age requirement!

Kara
08-28-2006, 12:09 AM
Interesting