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I got this from a debate on a pregnancy board...This is what one poster had to say:

I believe it was a missile that hit the pentagon and as for the planes that hit the towers if you look at any file footage from any station that recorded that day you will see an explosion seconds before the planes hit the building and from one angle from a FOX video you can see a missile that has been attached to the underside of the plane. Also when watching the buildings collapse you can see explosions lower down and demolition experts say it was a perfect demolition that happened on that day. (also there was a huge amount of gold stored under the trade centers in a vault that had been moved 2 days before and heavily guarded under ground in an abandoned subway station.) Also since 9/11 almost all the hijackers have been located and where paid for thier identities to be used. most are actually in foreign countries going to colleges. There are many things from that day that dont add up. i.e. how could the passport of the main hijacker flying the plane come out of his front pocket and land safely on the ground in the rubble when the fire was supposedly so hot that it melted the black boxes? Also it has been proven that cell phones didn't work in the airplanes at that time and just recently delta added a special antenna to provide cell service for the first time ever and this was in 2004! If you want to research it further type the words: 9/11 conspiracy lies into any search engine and look at what you get. There are phone records that show that condoleeza rice called a congressman friend in Ca. to tell him NOT to fly that day because "IT" was happining that day. Believe what your gut tells you.

And when the 9/11 comission released the tapes from WTC they blocked out all the sounds from inside the WTC because it was reported that you could here the multiple blast going off on different floors weakening the building little by little. All the fireman and survivors reported hearing multiple explosions above and beneath them. one janitor in the basement was blown down a hallway by a blast in the lower level basement. and he said flames came out of the elevator shafts. Is it coincidence the steel came down in perfect 30 ft. sections the perfect length to be loaded onto a truck and shipped to asia and melted down ASAP. The US was paid for that melted steal as well.
No one had even mentioned building #7. How did the fire start and why did it fall when fire was on only 2 floors. And isnt it strange that is was full of walstreet and government offices. The FBI investigated and found criminal insider trading in the few days before 9/11 but no charges have been brought. And what of all the execs who sold their stock in american airlines and delta just 2 days prior to 9/11. And how none of the owners of these companies showed up for work that day. Preplanned? You tell me.

I got this from a debate on a pregnancy board...This is what one poster had to say:

I believe it was a missile that hit the pentagon and as for the planes that hit the towers if you look at any file footage from any station that recorded that day you will see an explosion seconds before the planes hit the building and from one angle from a FOX video you can see a missile that has been attached to the underside of the plane. Also when watching the buildings collapse you can see explosions lower down and demolition experts say it was a perfect demolition that happened on that day. (also there was a huge amount of gold stored under the trade centers in a vault that had been moved 2 days before and heavily guarded under ground in an abandoned subway station.) Also since 9/11 almost all the hijackers have been located and where paid for thier identities to be used. most are actually in foreign countries going to colleges. There are many things from that day that dont add up. i.e. how could the passport of the main hijacker flying the plane come out of his front pocket and land safely on the ground in the rubble when the fire was supposedly so hot that it melted the black boxes? Also it has been proven that cell phones didn't work in the airplanes at that time and just recently delta added a special antenna to provide cell service for the first time ever and this was in 2004! If you want to research it further type the words: 9/11 conspiracy lies into any search engine and look at what you get. There are phone records that show that condoleeza rice called a congressman friend in Ca. to tell him NOT to fly that day because "IT" was happining that day. Believe what your gut tells you.

And when the 9/11 comission released the tapes from WTC they blocked out all the sounds from inside the WTC because it was reported that you could here the multiple blast going off on different floors weakening the building little by little. All the fireman and survivors reported hearing multiple explosions above and beneath them. one janitor in the basement was blown down a hallway by a blast in the lower level basement. and he said flames came out of the elevator shafts. Is it coincidence the steel came down in perfect 30 ft. sections the perfect length to be loaded onto a truck and shipped to asia and melted down ASAP. The US was paid for that melted steal as well.
No one had even mentioned building #7. How did the fire start and why did it fall when fire was on only 2 floors. And isnt it strange that is was full of walstreet and government offices. The FBI investigated and found criminal insider trading in the few days before 9/11 but no charges have been brought. And what of all the execs who sold their stock in american airlines and delta just 2 days prior to 9/11. And how none of the owners of these companies showed up for work that day. Preplanned? You tell me.


ummm...where did she get her info?:nutts

I watched a movie- umm loose change 2. If what they say is right- then the US had everything to do with 911. Will we ever really know? Probably not. Because if infact they are responsible for the whole thing- then they will never ever want that to come out because it'll effect absolutely everything from your dollar to your attendance at disneyland. They won't ever let the truth come out.

wasnt this just in the news lately? i have seen the vidoe and it does make good points. i wonder if a lot of things are going to come out when Bush is no longer in office?:thinking

loosechange911.com

It's down right now though!

every single american government agency would go down because of it. they either planned it and helped it along, or knew about it and didn't tell. theyw ill never let it come out to the public, itd crash your economy. we all know the government is corrupt- just how corrupt we don't know. you should all watch the movie- it will take your breath away.

wasnt this just in the news lately? i have seen the vidoe and it does make good points. i wonder if a lot of things are going to come out when Bush is no longer in office?:thinking

I wonder that as well.

i know u can watch the movie on google. my friend gave me the link ages ago.. i was so intrigued that i bought the movie and sent it to giovanni. he could actually lose his job if they found that in his possession.

when he watched that he was so angry. he said to me why the hell are we fighting then?

I just hope someday we know the truth :no

I've watched that video and after seeing the kind of damage I really believe it was a missile or something besides a plane.. but I don't think Bush is behind anything. The government can pull crap without him knowing anything. I believe there is SO MUCH stuff we don't know in regards to a LOT of things.

i dont think bush was fully responsible- he may have had a part of it but it beyond him. this was something major and planned. planes didn't do it. i think thats obvious.

If the government did do this, then I don't understand how they sleep at night knowing they killed 125 people in the Pentagon that day.

think the bigger picture hun.

if they did the pentagon, they did the trade center, and they also started the war. so how many have we lost really? thousands and thousands and thousands.

how do they sleep?

Hmm they sleep quite well. they have plush beds in nice big mansions, they have a big fat pay check coming in every week or so- and while they sit back and look at all the money they have earnt because of this- men and women are overseas fighting for something they believe in-when really they are merely pawns in some whacked game the government calls operation iraqi freedom.

think the bigger picture hun.

if they did the pentagon, they did the trade center, and they also started the war. so how many have we lost really? thousands and thousands and thousands.

how do they sleep?

Hmm they sleep quite well. they have plush beds in nice big mansions, they have a big fat pay check coming in every week or so- and while they sit back and look at all the money they have earnt because of this- men and women are overseas fighting for something they believe in-when really they are merely pawns in some whacked game the government calls operation iraqi freedom.

I understand that fully, I was merely just saying that IF they are soley-and only-responsible for THOSE 125 deaths, how do they sleep at night. I can't sleep at night if I step on a bug, and it's hard for me to comprehend someone being responsible for 125 deaths and being okay with that. Especially since some of the people who died were people they worked with. That's all I was saying. I know the possibilites of corruption of WTC,OIF,and many other events and occurances, I hear them everyday & have since day one. I just pray to the Lord that someday we know the truth & can eliminate many "if's"

Now I know this will probably tick a lot of people off, but the man who writes this, Maddox, is a really amazing writer. It's hip, and his points are very.. well.. sharp. If you're offended by language, please don't read this. If you want to see the facts involved, you'll find two links near the bottom that should clear this up.

Anyway, here's Maddox's approach on Loose Change. (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons)

Added: I feel horrible having shown this website here. This guy is very arrogant and cocky, but I find it amazing how he can make a point. Here's the links to the two sites that offer scientific data on 9/11.

Popular Mechanics (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/outgoing.cgi?u=http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html)

Loose Change Guide (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/outgoing.cgi?u=http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html)

Oh i completely understand what u mean.. i dont sleep well if i step on anything that is bigger then my finger tip -so i know what u mean. but imagine bigger - like how many they really killed. one would think they wouldnt b able to sleep at all. i guess they are just heartless huh. i wonder if we will ever know. i doubt it.

Now I know this will probably tick a lot of people off, but the man who writes this, Maddox, is a really amazing writer. It's hip, and his points are very.. well.. sharp. If you're offended by language, please don't read this. If you want to see the facts involved, you'll find two links near the bottom that should clear this up.

Anyway, here's Maddox's approach on Loose Change. (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons)

Added: I feel horrible having shown this website here. This guy is very arrogant and cocky, but I find it amazing how he can make a point. Here's the links to the two sites that offer scientific data on 9/11.

Popular Mechanics (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/outgoing.cgi?u=http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html)

Loose Change Guide (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/outgoing.cgi?u=http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html)


I can see what he is saying but at the same time I still have doubts. I guess we wont be finding out the whole truth anytime soon. :dunno

Here's the links to the two sites that offer scientific data on 9/11.

Popular Mechanics (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/outgoing.cgi?u=http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html)



I was just talking to Rach about that site... lots of good information on there.

Can I ask, merely out of curiosity and respect for you as a debater, what is your standpoint on the whole thing?

Now I know this will probably tick a lot of people off, but the man who writes this, Maddox, is a really amazing writer. It's hip, and his points are very.. well.. sharp. If you're offended by language, please don't read this. If you want to see the facts involved, you'll find two links near the bottom that should clear this up.

Anyway, here's Maddox's approach on Loose Change. (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons)

Added: I feel horrible having shown this website here. This guy is very arrogant and cocky, but I find it amazing how he can make a point. Here's the links to the two sites that offer scientific data on 9/11.

Popular Mechanics (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/outgoing.cgi?u=http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html)

Loose Change Guide (http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/outgoing.cgi?u=http://www.ccdominoes.com/lc/LooseChangeGuide.html)

I liked the site. I'm not sure if I am uneducated or not, but I don't buy into the conspiracy theory mess.
Are people just not willing to believe we are vulnerable as a country? Or is it just that some people will always think the govt is behind everything?

Can I ask, merely out of curiosity and respect for you as a debater, what is your standpoint on the whole thing?

Of course! That's the purpose of a debate!

I believe, based on my research of the 9/11 reports, media at the time of (images and facts) that what we were told happened did happen. I watched Loose Change probably 9 or 10 months ago or so, and it really made me curious. I started digging around and found out that most of what was stated was grossly exaggerated or simply a lie. He had no scientific evidence to back him up, and relied heavily on quotes from specific people (most of which didn't SEE it happen) and well known conspiracy theory authors.

The movie does, IMO, have a redeeming quality, though. No matter how much you think you know something, someone else can always shine a new light on it. It made me an even firmer believer in not believing what I see or hear - but to question the motives behind the storyteller.

It made me an even firmer believer in not believing what I see or hear - but to question the motives behind the storyteller.

I agree 100%.

Had I been near when it happened, I would of said "it sounded like an explosion" not "it sounded like a plan when it hits a building", kwim? I think many of those comments were taken out of context or used to prove his point.

Additionally, I was just talking to my husband and I agree that there is no way that it could be kept a secret, had it been planned. Sure, you can come up with conspiracy theories, etc., but I have a hard time believing that every single person who was INVOLVED actually kept their mouth shut.

However, I do think there are too many coincidences, and unfortunately don't believe we didn't know about it. My stance on it, is did we do it? Nah, dont think so. Did we know about it? Maybe. To be honest, I dont have enough evidence to 100% sway me either way.

I appreciate the site you posted though... I had a good laugh about the $100 bill thing! :lmao

So it's not just me who thinks that this Maddox guy has a really neat ability to use someone else's context to verbally beat them up? That's reassuring! Everything that guy writes just kills me. You'd REALLY like the one he did about illegals stealing jobs.. I honestly wet myself laughing.

How many HUNDREDS if not THOUSANDS of people had to have known about it? In today's whistle-blower society, I'm quite sure someone would have spilled the beans. There are way too many Erin Brokovich's now to let something of that magnitude go unpunished.

Even if we had heard about it beforehand, how would we have reacted? Shut down all airlines indefinately? Put armed gaurds at the entrances and scared off the terrorists so that they could plan something else later? When you're the big kid on the block, you have a lot of enemies. I really hate to say it, but I'm certain something like this would have happened sooner or later. I just didn't expect to see it in my lifetime.

I watched the movie- and it pissed me off to think it could happen that way. I never bought into it enough to make my decision. Because i don't think there is enough conclusive evidence in either situations. However he did make some strong points and good arguements and it was good to watch. I personally havn't made a decision on anything but i think i do lean on the side of a conspiracy theory. But i know myself- and conspiracies make my blood tingle and i get all interested and want to know more so i usually choose that way cos its more interesting lol. I just hope the government didn't plan it and everything because it would really be tragic if they did.

Arguably, "The Butterfly Effect" made good points founded in scientific practices, even though the movie completely disregarded fact for the effect of storytelling.

Simply because it sounds like it could happen doesn't add any weight to the fact of what DID happen. The most difficult part of seeing a movie like that is cutting through the BS and finding your own answer. It's a tantalizing story to say the least, but an inch below the surface, the facade fails. Do your research! Don't let something like that tickle the back of your mind. You'll wake up one day believing something, and not knowing how you got there!

Even if we had heard about it beforehand, how would we have reacted? Shut down all airlines indefinately? Put armed gaurds at the entrances and scared off the terrorists so that they could plan something else later? When you're the big kid on the block, you have a lot of enemies. I really hate to say it, but I'm certain something like this would have happened sooner or later. I just didn't expect to see it in my lifetime.j

That's a very good point... without enough detailed credible evidence as to the exact moment, what are we to do? Cause mass hysteria and shut down the economy in case something happens? Either way, "they" win....

Well i didn't buy into it..but .. I did keep in mind that it could be the government behind the whole thing. I had never thought of it that way before. I believed the media..thats also a stupid thing to do. What happened? Who knows?! Will we ever really know? You gotta face it though- some things the government said just didn't add up. Loose change concluded it was a conspiracy.. however true or not.. the movie was interesting... I do love a good conspiracy theory though. Who dosn't?! Ok don't answer that.

I liked the site. I'm not sure if I am uneducated or not, but I don't buy into the conspiracy theory mess.
Are people just not willing to believe we are vulnerable as a country? Or is it just that some people will always think the govt is behind everything?

:yes

i was watching inside 9/11 on national geographic last night before i went to sleep and they said that one of the bases for the airforce that was in charge of terrorist intellect (i can't remember what they said excatly--like where) but they had a suspiscion that something was going to happen and they knew that the hijackers were linked to bin laden but that they were told by pentagon attorneys that they couldn't reveal it and pass it on. i don't know if that is true and i don't know if it is not true. oh and if a plane its a building i'm pretty sure it would sound like a bomb---that's a very large structure with a ton of fuel that's blowing up...just my opinon. also if it was planned by the government i don't think President Bush knew about it.

I do believe they had an idea of what would happen. Maybe not necessarily "when" but I think that the government or whoever had an idea that they were planning something not good. But like you said, what do you do, create mass hysteria? It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. And unfornutaley, people paid with their lives.

I believe the govt had an idea of what could possibly happen on that day. I do not think the govt "helped" it a long by any means.

But I also think that the administartion has had an agenda. I kind of think that the govt did not react too much so that they would have a reason to go after Bin Laden and work their way over to Iraq.

I believe had they reacted it would have caused mass hysteria and more conspicay theories than how things are today.

Hatetank- I just wanted to add that I'm really glad you posted Thebestpageintheuniverse site. I agree with you, he does have a way with words :lol . I like how he can convey his point without mile long words and a ton of mumbo jumbo. :yes

Hatetank- I just wanted to add that I'm really glad you posted Thebestpageintheuniverse site. I agree with you, he does have a way with words :lol . I like how he can convey his point without mile long words and a ton of mumbo jumbo. :yes

I've tried using his method of public speaking in my debates before, and it sounded so infantile and immature. When I read his statements, it's self-fulfilling and degrading to the reader, but darned if he can't make a point stick. And it's ALWAYS on that "Why didn't I think of that?!" level.

Since then, I've stopped trying to debate like he does. Sadly, I have to use the big words and long sentences. Unlike Maddox, I tend to shun people from my debates because of this. Oh well, Kristi can't stand him, anyway :)

Since then, I've stopped trying to debate like he does. Sadly, I have to use the big words and long sentences.

Everybody has their own style though :yes Besides, your long sentences make sense...you aren't 'talking' just to talk, you actually have a point to make. I know I couldn't debate like him. I would sound like an immature 20 year old...which is what I am but I'd rather not sound like that in a debate :giggle . He actually comes off as very intelligent in his debates, cocky, but smart! I have yet to figure that out...I love how he completely disregarded the 9/11 conspiracy with almost no use of facts...yet he made sense!

I love how he completely disregarded the 9/11 conspiracy with almost no use of facts...yet he made sense!

Which is EXACTLY what the Loose Change movie did. That's just genius in my book. Of course, he did link some technical data at the end, but you wouldn't have known that through his debate. The man has the best BS filter since Judge Joe Brown. NOTHING get's by those two guys.