View Full Version : Bill Would Lower GI Drinking Age to 18


Kaymara
12-02-2005, 09:23 PM
Now I remember when Rod and I met you could be in the military and drink beer on base legally. Then they revoked that.

Bill Would Lower GI Drinking Age to 18
Stars and Stripes | Leo Shane III | November 29, 2005
WASHINGTON — A New Hampshire lawmaker wants to lower the drinking age for active-duty military members to 18, making New Hampshire the second state to consider such Legislation this year.

State Rep. James Splaine, D-Portsmouth, said his new bill would show servicemembers the respect they deserve for their work in the military.

“It seems hypocritical that we expect people to be able to make life or death decisions in Iraq, but in New Hampshire they don’t have the right or privilege to be able to drink,” he said.

This summer, Wisconsin state Rep. Mark Pettis, R-Hertel, introduced a bill to drop the $500 fine for underage drinking to just $10 for servicemembers. Half of that fine would go into a veterans support fund, and would effectively allow young troops to drink at any bar in the state.

Earlier this month, a Wisconsin House committee approved the bill 7-2. Officials from Pettis’ office said the next step is a vote before the full House, but no timetable has been set for that.

Pettis had crafted the $10 fine as a way to skirt federal drinking age minimums but still protect the state’s more than $50 million in federal highway funds, which could have been revoked if the federal age minimum of 21 was repealed even in part.

Splaine said he will seek a waiver from the U.S. Department of Transportation for the New Hampshire bill to preserve the state’s federal funding and allow the drinking exception.

“It’s not as much of an issue here because New Hampshire has already given up many of those (federal highway) funds,” he said. “We have no motorcycle helmet requirement, and no seatbelt law requirement, so they’ve taken away some funding for that.”

Splaine, who did not serve in the military, was the primary sponsor of the bill which raised New Hampshire’s drinking age to 21 in the early 1980s. He hopes that legislative history will give his new proposal more credibility among critics.

Mothers Against Drunk Driving has already lobbied against both the Wisconsin and New Hampshire measures. Splaine said he expects a hearing on his bill in late January.

Defense Department rules require that all U.S. military facilities follow the 21 drinking age, but overseas bases can drop their drinking age as low as 18 based on their host country’s laws. Base commanders also can set the limit at 21, regardless of the foreign laws, at their discretion.

General Order Number 1, in effect in Iraq and Afghanistan, prohibits the “introduction, possession, sale, transfer, manufacture or consumption of any alcoholic beverage” while in the combat zone.

ash
12-02-2005, 09:24 PM
i think that is a good idea. I feel like they are forced to grow up faster than the average 18 year old and the laws should follow as such. I however, like the idea in Wisconsin more becuase the 10 dollars makes the servicepeople think twice before they make the decision to drink

Kat
12-02-2005, 10:12 PM
Hell, you can sign up to die for your country I think you deserve a damn beer!!!!! To say the least :wink

MW5M
12-02-2005, 10:14 PM
Hell, you can sign up to die for your country I think you deserve a damn beer!!!!! To say the least :wink


I agree 100%

ETHubby & 2 Kids
12-03-2005, 02:36 PM
WOW!
I guess that is good for those who want to drink. They can fight and die for our country why not give them the right to drink

Jennygirl
12-03-2005, 03:27 PM
My question would be...If they lower it everywhere to be 18, and they leave base DRUNK AS A SKUNK and kill someone and get pulled over for DUI, do you think they should be punished as much as a civilain?

Rachael
12-03-2005, 04:06 PM
Hell, you can sign up to die for your country I think you deserve a damn beer!!!!! To say the least :wink

Agreed


and Jennygirl, yes...they should be punished as a civilian, but of legal drinking age per the bill. Drinking at that age would be a privilege and if the individual was stupid enough to leave the base drunk driving, then they should be prosecuted to the fullest for DUI

harrisonsdream
12-04-2005, 09:42 AM
i've said that for a long time, but something one of ya'll said sort of made me think, if a good reason for them to get to drink at 18 is because they had to grow up so fast what about the other young men and women in our country that had to do the same? shouldn't they get the same right?
sorry ya'll just trying to be a devil's advocate. feel free to ignore if you want

Kym
12-04-2005, 09:58 AM
I guess I am the only one that thinks it should stay 21. I have seen how these kids act on base when sober and I sure as hell don't want to see how they are after drinking. No one forced them to sign the dotted line so I guess I don't agree with the statement "I feel like they are forced to grow up faster than the average 18 year old and the laws should follow as such" because no one "FORCED" them to join the military. I HAVE seen first hand how these 17,18,19 year old kids act since dh use to work at a BEQ. It will be a crying shame if the law is passed IMO

Lilithdrff
12-04-2005, 12:37 PM
I don't think it really matters, I know my husband was drinking in quantities long before he hit 18.
But I do agree with the "if they can sign up to die for their country, they deserve some beer" part.

Breezy
12-04-2005, 09:02 PM
I don't think they should cause so many of them would come to work drunk and shit.
Plus what would the military be made up of a bunch of 18 years that want to get drunk and can do it 3 years earlier
JMO

Donna
12-04-2005, 09:05 PM
I dont know... i asked my stepdad about this. they had NO problems with this in Germany where the drinking age was 18 on base. the problem was with the high school kids that were old enough to buy for themselves and their friends. these guys no what the consequences are with showing up to work drunk and dui, (not saying the high schools kids didnt). but when you are active, the punishment is a little more harsh. i have NO problems with this going through.

ash
12-04-2005, 11:19 PM
I guess I am the only one that thinks it should stay 21. I have seen how these kids act on base when sober and I sure as hell don't want to see how they are after drinking. No one forced them to sign the dotted line so I guess I don't agree with the statement "I feel like they are forced to grow up faster than the average 18 year old and the laws should follow as such" because no one "FORCED" them to join the military. I HAVE seen first hand how these 17,18,19 year old kids act since dh use to work at a BEQ. It will be a crying shame if the law is passed IMO

some of them are as good as forced, my db for example, on his own the 2nd he turned 18 with NO MONEY for school and his mother still claiming him as a student and dependent but giving him nothing making him not eligible for money. some of the people have no choice at all.

Brandi
12-05-2005, 07:39 AM
I'm not 100% sure, but I'm leaning towards agreeing with Kym on this one. I'll have to think this one out a little bit more, but I do think there are way too many immature people who would abuse the privilege. There are already enough 21-30 year olds who are stupid and abuse it, I can't imagine how many more idiots would be added in the mix if you allowed a bunch of young people right outta high school to legally get drunk.

Jennygirl
12-05-2005, 03:29 PM
No one is FORCED to join the military...Its a choice...Its not like we live in a country where they enforce everyone (male and female) join for a xamount of time...So if you say that its ok that they do this cause they are in the military, then why not lower it for college students?

Thats my opinion...

Donna
12-05-2005, 04:42 PM
No one is FORCED to join the military...Its a choice...Its not like we live in a country where they enforce everyone (male and female) join for a xamount of time...So if you say that its ok that they do this cause they are in the military, then why not lower it for college students?

Thats my opinion...

is a college student being told to go to war (whether they believe in it or not) and possible never come back. yes they signed up for it, but they are putting their lives on the line for all of us back here.... i say cut them a little slack.

Becca
12-05-2005, 04:57 PM
It would be abused. Not by all, but by some. I see no reason to lower the drinking age. Name one positive aspect of lowering the drinking age...if you can. I just don't see what good it would do. I was active duty under the age of 21...trust me...it's not as if they can't drink.

Jennygirl
12-05-2005, 07:44 PM
I wasnt active duty, but going to college in the northern va area, i agree, they all had access to the stuff...

And donna...as my husband says...He knew what could happen when he signed up in the navy...They know there is a chance it could happen, but i dont think letting them drink at 18 is a way to give a person a break...

Sarah
12-05-2005, 08:46 PM
Hell, you can sign up to die for your country I think you deserve a damn beer!!!!! To say the least :wink

I agree, BUT there are some stupid kids out there that would take advantage of this.