about guns? in general and in the home. do you know how to shoot? do you own one?

I am perfectly fine with guns and would like to have one in our home. We do not currently own one but I do know how to shoot. Robert on the other hand is not a big fan of guns nor the fact that the job I want will require me to carry one 24/7.

Guns scare me. I don't want one in our home. Ever. Period.

Dh & I have argued about this one.

He wants to keep one in the house. "Just a small handgun", he says. "For security", he says.

With Giovanni being in the Army, being in Iraq 2 times and him being trained for many missions- i know he knows how to use one, however i still don't feel comfortable.

I do not like guns. Guns are dangerous. I don't want one in my house. I don't want to learn to use one, and i never want to use one.

Finally he told me he was mucking round and said he wouldn't have one in the house unless i gave my blessing.

As i said- i don't like guns, i don't want anything to do with one. But the way the world is these days, i am not sure i can say i will never own one.

for me i see the purpose of it being for security plus going out to the shooting range is an amazing release that's scary to think about i know. imho as long as it is stored properly and you tell your kids that it is NOT a toy and teach them gun safety when they are old enough i think they are perfectly fine in the house.

I don't want to start a debate but yes guns are dangerous but the real danger lies with the operator of the gun. A gun, if properly used, isn't going to kill it is when crazy people get their hands on it and decide to do stupid stuff that guns kill. Or when parents are stupid and don't lock their guns up and a kid get its hands on it and accidentally shoots somebody.

No guns in our house, and there never will be!! I dont want to be one of those familys where my children find it one day and "accendently" shoot themselves!!

joy this is the debate forum...by all means open it up ;)

i agree its the user not the gun...after all a car can be a lethal weapon if it is not used properly

Well Joy, im a clutz. Im sure i would hold the gun the wrong way and shoot myself. Seriously- i am the type who will trip up the steps. I wouldn't trust myself with a gun.

I didn't even see which forum it was in. I just responded :lol

Well Joy, im a clutz. Im sure i would hold the gun the wrong way and shoot myself. Seriously- i am the type who will trip up the steps. I wouldn't trust myself with a gun.

It is understandable why then you would not want be use one.

I have no problem with guns!!! Me and dh have a bunch of them in our house!!!! He goes hunting and all that so he has to keep them here. We have a gun safe for all of them!!! It's people that are dangerous not the gun!!! A gun will never go off unless the trigger is pulled!!!!!! :yes

I dont like guns, they freak me out..i guess that comes from being 10 mins away from being shot once though.

I personally don't like guns. I'm kind of scared of them. I have shot one before because DH wanted me to learn how. He likes to hunt and is really into guns and we argue about them being in the house. We had one, I made him get rid of it because I'm not ready for them to be in the house. I told him that he could get a gun later on as long as they stayed locked up.

But you know- just because i hate it, dosn't mean im going to shut the idea out all together.

Giovanni knows his weapons. He has had to use them and he has a good aim. So i would trust him with keeping it stored in our house etc etc. But i dunno. I would rather a stun gun :lmao

If the world gets much crazier- i will learn and keep one in my house. It's nothing something i would ever wanna do- but who knows the world nowerdays.

This is one of the few issues DH and I completely disagree on. He wants to get one for security reasons. He grew up around guns, knows how to use them and to him it's not a big deal to have one in the house. I on the other hand do NOT want one in the house and never even as much as touched one (Gun laws in Germany are very different from what they are here). To me it's not something you have in your home. But we have come to somewhat of an agreement on this issue. He will only be allowed to get one IF we also buy a gun safe in which the gun will be kept at all times.

I have no problem with guns!!! Me and dh have a bunch of them in our house!!!! He goes hunting and all that so he has to keep them here. We have a gun safe for all of them!!! It's people that are dangerous not the gun!!! A gun will never go off unless the trigger is pulled!!!!!! :yes

Thats an understatement!!!!!!!!!!!!!! DH was drooling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :teehee

I have no problem with them and I enjoy going shooting. :D

We have 2 rifles, a shotgun and a handgun in my house. All are locked in a gun safe....safe meaning metal box that takes a code to open it. We never keep the ammuniton in the same spot...that is in a diffrent place in a lock box too. Also my children will be raised not to be fearful but to respect them. They are great investments if they are taken care of. My hubby has one that has been passed down for 3 generations now.

I had weapons training with the Royal Air Force, but I would never want them in my house, and I would not want my kids to play with toy guns either. I was brought up in a country where guns are illegal so I couldn't imagine having them in the house.

when dh and i have a gun the extra ammo will be in a separate place but there will be one fully loaded clip out of the gun in the same location just in case of a break in or something else.

The SO said something to me once about guns that was one of the most intelligent things I've heard. He said, "When the government takes away the guns, the next thing they'll take is the books."

The SO has lots of guns for hunting, but he gave them to his father while he is gone and out of the house. That way they won't get stolen..

But I do keep one in the house for protection while he's away, and I've had to use it about a half dozen times in the past year. But it's not a handgun, it's a HUGE GIGANTIC 12 gauge pump action shotgun that weighs about 12 pounds and is four feet long.

It's far too big for my son to play with in case for some reason he gets a bug up his butt to cause mischief. I keep the shells out of reach, and I never keep it loaded.

We have alot of wild animals that come into the yard, I've had to shoot them. They could have rabies and carry disease.. Raccoons, skunks, porcupines, stray cats... I feel alot safer with it around.

We have two.

DH bought a pistol about a year and a half ago. It is for "home protection."

About a week ago he came home with a revolver for me. I didn't know he did this. He had mentioned before having a gun that could shoot in the house while he was away if somethig happened (his is way to hard to shoot for me). It is loaded and ready to go in one of the night stands.

Part of me is uneasy about having but the other part feels like I have to protect my family and if someone comes in my house I have to protect my little boy.

Brayden does not come in my room (we have baby gates in our house). When he does get to the age where he walks around obviously the gun will not be at easy access and it will be locked at all times. As far as we are both concerned Brayden will NEVER know there is even a gun in the house.

The SO said something to me once about guns that was one of the most intelligent things I've heard. He said, "When the government takes away the guns, the next thing they'll take is the books."




IMO that is one of the more stupid things I have heard. Not saying that your SO is stupid. But having grown up in a country where guns are not easily available (you have to pass written, and in most cases pszchological tests as well as background checks etc) and were most are actually illegal to own, I can not agree with that statement at all.

I think women should be able to protect themselves without a gun..a man could easily reach you before you load and shoot that gun but if you know how to fight back..well thats something too.

definitely...i think that our bases should offer classes for women on how to defend themselves. and i think it should be free! that's just something that should be taught automatically

When I was growing up I always knew there were guns in the house, and my parents taught me gun safety instead of gun fear. I hate the way the schools teach kids to "Leave a gun, Don't touch it, Go get an adult" Yes, you need to get an adult, but lets face it...kids like to touch shiney things. I think it's better a child knows that "It's better to not touch it, but this is how you handle it safely"

I was very anti-gun, until Jaymes through the "You've never tried it, at least open up to the idea" at me. So we went to the firing range, and he taught me to fire a gun. I love going to the range. It's something we do everytime he's home. I wouldn't be surprised if we ended up having 2 or 3 small handguns in the house locked up in the future.

I don't know how to shoot or own one. I don't like them. My husband wants one to go hunting. I don't like that idea though. Poor animals minding their own business and get shot.

IMO that is one of the more stupid things I have heard. Not saying that your SO is stupid. But having grown up in a country where guns are not easily available (you have to pass written, and in most cases pszchological tests as well as background checks etc) and were most are actually illegal to own, I can not agree with that statement at all.

DH didn't have to take a written or a psychological test. In both cases he had a background check. I have never known anyone to have to do that.

Most guns are not illegal to own. But there are people who illegally own guns. There is a difference there.

Not trying to :stirthepot just adding what I know.

DH didn't have to take a written or a psychological test. In both cases he had a background check. I have never known anyone to have to do that.

Most guns are not illegal to own. But there are people who illegally own guns. There is a difference there.

Not trying to :stirthepot just adding what I know.

I am talking about German citizens being allowed to own and use guns. Not about US military personelle coming to Germany. And yes, I understand the difference between illegal guns and illegally owning guns.

Not in my house...Yes I know how to shoot a gun...My Father is a hunter..

I have no problem with guns at all. I was raised around them and dh has one. My dad showed me how to properly and safely handle a gun and taught me that when you're holding one, you don't play around. Dh and I go shooting. I'm comfortable around them.

IMO that is one of the more stupid things I have heard. Not saying that your SO is stupid. But having grown up in a country where guns are not easily available (you have to pass written, and in most cases pszchological tests as well as background checks etc) and were most are actually illegal to own, I can not agree with that statement at all.

I totally agree! Guns are illegal in the UK and we've never had to surrender our books! :P

DH owns several.. I own a couple that were either bought for me or inherited by me from family. Growing up around them, I have no problem with them. I also see no problem with waiting periods for buying guns... It's not the guns themselves that inflict injury, it's the person using them.

Guns were legal in Germany until Hitler outlawed them in 1938... Here's the law he signed on November 11...

http://vikingphoenix.com/politics/nwl_1573_1938.htm

We've talked about getting a gun but it has to be locked up in our room and our children will not know about it. It still makes me nervous having one in the house but then again if something ever happend and we needed it I would feel safe. Both my husband and I will both go to the range and learn to shoot it properly aswell.

Guns were legal in Germany until Hitler outlawed them in 1938... Here's the law he signed on November 11...

http://vikingphoenix.com/politics/nwl_1573_1938.htm

And your point is...?

Guns were legal in Germany until Hitler outlawed them in 1938... Here's the law he signed on November 11...

http://vikingphoenix.com/politics/nwl_1573_1938.htm


Okay, I just looked at the link you provided and I don't see how this is in any way comparable or even important as far as gun laws in Germany today. All it is is the law Hitler wrote (along with many other anti-jew laws that night and the following years) prohibiting Jews from having guns or any other kind of weapons.

Guns scare me. I don't want one in our home. Ever. Period.

Yup- pretty much feel the SAME way...DH has guns from his childhood back home and I've basically said that they won't enter my home-end of conversation.

And your point is...?

My point? ugh.. well.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-bookburn.htm

The history of WWII shows us that it's all relative.. I'm probably correct in assuming that none of us were alive to watch these events take place. Hitler was a pioneer of gun control.. and book burning....

I'm not talking about German gun laws today, I'm referring to history. I'm not familiar with modern laws, so I really can't comment on them.

Perhaps opinions regarding gun control is different nowadays in modern Germany, because for most of the citizens it's been that way for almost 70 years. People accept it there.. But I know most American's would rather die then surrender their arms to the government.. Ever read Orwell?

I grew up around guns. my dad is an ex-navy man, ex-cop....and he's a hunter, and i used to hunt with him. He taught us from young on to respect guns. and my SO is a big hunter too....so im all for having a gun in a house. cause honestly, i feel safer knowing that there's one within reach....

and im with leftover....100%

My point? ugh.. well.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-bookburn.htm

The history of WWII shows us that it's all relative.. I'm probably correct in assuming that none of us were alive to watch these events take place. Hitler was a pioneer of gun control.. and book burning....

I'm not talking about German gun laws today, I'm referring to history. I'm not familiar with modern laws, so I really can't comment on them.

Perhaps opinions regarding gun control is different nowadays in modern Germany, because for most of the citizens it's been that way for almost 70 years. People accept it there.. But I know most American's would rather die then surrender their arms to the government.. Ever read Orwell?


Yes, I have read Orwell. And I understand that your comment was made in regard to my reply to your SO's statement. BUT this debate is about today's gun laws (which I mentioned in one of my earlier replies on this topic). Germany and most other European countries have gun laws vey different from the US. None of these countries limit people as to what they can and cannot read though. It has happened in Germany's past. No denying or trying to make it seem okay because it wasn't. But Germany chose to keep and adapt gun laws restricting people's 'right to bear arms'. And instead of laws and regulations becoming less restrictive over the past years the opposite has happened with gun laws becoming more and more restrictive and tighter. Making it even more difficult to obtain and carry guns. Yet you still hear many people say that more should be done. The people in Germany advocating the right to bear arms are by far in the minority.

I have no problem with guns - I would just rather not have one in my home. I have no problem with people owning guns, as long as they are responsible and have respect for them. I also think that if you are going to have a gun in your home, you should (1), have it locked up with the ammo locked in a different place, and (2) teach your family about gun safety.
I love to target shoot.

We own one gun right now.Phillip will buy a pistol when he get's home. I was brought up around guns,My father hunts he also has a concelled weapons permit, so does my Papa, Aunt Donna, and Uncle Bo. My dad taught my sisters and I about gun safety, how to hold a gun while walking with it or just standing with it. Never pointing it at anyone. Always make sure the safety is on That come first.Check to see if there are any bullets in the chamber. My parents would go off for a weekend and leave me to be in charge,and he would show us where he put his pistol,and his shotgun,and his bullets. They were never in the same place.He told us, if someone is coming through that door you have to right to protect yourself. and your home. He would put the fear of God in us. and told us " If you ever touch these guns, I will know,and I'll whip your ass". And the fact that it wasn't a play toy. that if they were misused we could get hurt or hurt someone.

I think alot of these kids that shot them selves on accident or someone else , was because they weren't taught the proper safety measures with handling a gun. We new that you always check if the safety was on, Look to see if there was a bullet in the chamber or if it was loaded. Alot of these kids don't even look at the gun and check it, they just play around with it. IMO.

I'm very Glad my father has raised me around them. I've learned to respect guns,and my children are being taught by my father and Phillip.

My point? ugh.. well.

http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/holocaust/h-bookburn.htm

The history of WWII shows us that it's all relative.. I'm probably correct in assuming that none of us were alive to watch these events take place. Hitler was a pioneer of gun control.. and book burning....

I'm not talking about German gun laws today, I'm referring to history. I'm not familiar with modern laws, so I really can't comment on them.

Perhaps opinions regarding gun control is different nowadays in modern Germany, because for most of the citizens it's been that way for almost 70 years. People accept it there.. But I know most American's would rather die then surrender their arms to the government.. Ever read Orwell?

I really don't see what relevance this argument has - what point are you trying to make? As stated previously, guns are illegal in the UK - there are few exceptions. I've not seen any books being burnt in my town recently, and the oh so wise Orwell that you're referring to is British...

Here's a few facts for you (taken from the CDC, BBC and IANSA):

In 2001, 29573 people died from gun-related injuries in the US. Compare that to 6756 in the UK.

A 2003 study in the US has shown that having a gun in the home increases the risk of someone being murdered in the home by 41%

Domestic violence is more likely to be lethal if there is a gun in the home. For women, the risk of being killed if there is a gun in the home is increased by 172%

American children are more at risk from firearms than the children of any other industrialized nation. In one year, firearms killed no children in Japan, 19 in Great Britain, 57 in Germany, 109 in France, 153 in Canada, and 5,285 in the United States.

In the UK, gun laws were further reformed in 1997. By 2003, the gun homicide rate for men in England and Wales had dropped 33%, while the gun homicide rate for women had fallen by 48%

but what needs to be rememebered is that Guns don't kill people...people kill people. If there isn't a gun around and someone wants to kill someone else, they'll find a way to do it...whether they strangle them or use a knife. if someone's crazy enough to murder...they'll find a way to do it.

but what needs to be rememebered is that Guns don't kill people...people kill people. If there isn't a gun around and someone wants to kill someone else, they'll find a way to do it...whether they strangle them or use a knife. if someone's crazy enough to murder...they'll find a way to do it.

These statistics disprove your claim:

A 2003 study in the US has shown that having a gun in the home increases the risk of someone being murdered in the home by 41%

Domestic violence is more likely to be lethal if there is a gun in the home. For women, the risk of being killed if there is a gun in the home is increased by 172%

The USA were ranked 6th for homicide rates (regardless of weapon used) with 5.64 people killed per 100,000. Germany were at the bottom of the list with 1.17 and England had 1.61.

Decades of statistics have shown that in nations where handguns have effectively been banned over a long period of time, the murder rates are MUCH lower than in the USA. That fact that murder rates decrease, regardless of the availability of knives, candlesticks and other weapons, proves that the presence of guns increases the chance of an incidence of mortality. The majority of homicides are committed in the heat of the moment - 37.7% are conducted during an argument. It's not about people being crazy enough to conjure up methods to kill someone, it's about lashing out, and people are more likely to pick up a gun and shoot than slash someone open with a knife. People may kill people, but guns make it easy to achieve.

It's not about people being crazy enough to conjure up methods to kill someone, it's about lashing out, and people are more likely to pick up a gun and shoot than slash someone open with a knife. People may kill people, but guns make it easy to achieve.

:agree

We have a gun room in our house which is located in the basement. I have lost track of how many guns we have. Our oldest two children shoot and have both taken gun safety courses. I grew up around guns that were always loaded and never locked. Not one time did any of us think of getting into them.

Db is obbessed w/guns. he's a hunter and his uncle is a blacksmith for guns. he knows everything about guns and SAFETY. he takes me shoot all the time(when we have time now). I use to hate them and i was brought up to be scared of them. I believe in having them for security reasons w/ lots of safety. many ppl dont know how to handle guns and thats the problem. i love the saying stupid people kill people not guns. I live near philly and it's not the safest city. i go thier everyweekend for many reasons and i have been muged. as soon as i'm 21 i will own a hand gun.

Nope, I don't own a gun, but I would like to learn how to shoot one. You never know what the future will bring.

I have two protection trained german shepherds that won't accidentally go off on a child, that's all the protection I need.