How would you feel about this? Offended? Not offended? Would you want them to take it down? Why or why not?


NEW YORK -- Online auction site eBay said it's removing a listing for "KKK Snowmen and Snow-women."
The ad said the crude clay figurines have removable white pointy hoods, representing members of the Ku Klux Klan.
The starting bid was listed at $13.77.

As of Thursday night, no bids had been placed for the items.
An eBay spokeswoman told the New York Daily News that the listing violated the company's offensive materials policy and would be taken down.
Past offerings removed from the site include a pocket knife with a Klan shield, an antique Klan hood and a T-shirt featuring a burning cross.


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I'm not for the KKK at all. Personally, I think they are all hypocritical idiots but I've come across things with the rebel flag on EBay and that is a very "southern" thing and seen as racist to a lot of people yet they continue to allow them...I think the site is being a little hypocritical.

I think it like everything else lately, they have the "right" so list those. As for the confederat flag that is just southern to most of us not a race thing. But then again there we go with what offends one persons doesn't another :rolleyes

I think it like everything else lately, they have the "right" so list those. As for the confederat flag that is just southern to most of us not a race thing. But then again there we go with what offends one persons doesn't another :rolleyes

Exactly! If you think about it, there are SOOO many items on EBay that are offensive to someone out there.

I agree... and you cant censor the whole world.... almost anything you do or say can be taken another way and be offensive to someone else....

But then again there we go with what offends one persons doesn't another :rolleyes

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damn I can't spell for shit can I lol

um all i have to say is this...we talk about fighting terrorism overseas. well, the kkk is a version of terrorism in our own backyard.

I'm glad they don't sell it anymore....the KKK is a terrible group of people who don't deserve any kind of proceeds or money for the things they sell that promote that kind of hatred.


The Confederate flag....man, I'm so tired of hearing about that. A lot of Southern people say it's a part of their culture. To that, I say I thought then when you lost a war, the understanding is that you take your flag DOWN.

Another argument I've seen is simply heritage. The confederate flag is something I think EVERYONE should remember. While it stands for different things to different people, the minute we hide the flag, we condemn ourselves to repeat the mistakes.

Similarly, if you want to ban the Confederate flag, you'll have to ban the "X" of Malcolm X. Both stood for hatred of another race (at some point), not tolerance. I view both of these symbols as a very vital, American history icon. It shows the American's peoples' ability to glorify one item and condemn the other, even though they're based on the same principle.

I think it like everything else lately, they have the "right" so list those. As for the confederat flag that is just southern to most of us not a race thing. But then again there we go with what offends one persons doesn't another :rolleyes

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I agree

Another argument I've seen is simply heritage. The confederate flag is something I think EVERYONE should remember. While it stands for different things to different people, the minute we hide the flag, we condemn ourselves to repeat the mistakes.

Similarly, if you want to ban the Confederate flag, you'll have to ban the "X" of Malcolm X. Both stood for hatred of another race (at some point), not tolerance. I view both of these symbols as a very vital, American history icon. It shows the American's peoples' ability to glorify one item and condemn the other, even though they're based on the same principle.


Good point....very good point, but Malcom's flag isn't flown from the top of state houses and such....that was really the issue with the Confed. flag.

Another argument I've seen is simply heritage. The confederate flag is something I think EVERYONE should remember. While it stands for different things to different people, the minute we hide the flag, we condemn ourselves to repeat the mistakes.

Similarly, if you want to ban the Confederate flag, you'll have to ban the "X" of Malcolm X. Both stood for hatred of another race (at some point), not tolerance. I view both of these symbols as a very vital, American history icon. It shows the American's peoples' ability to glorify one item and condemn the other, even though they're based on the same principle.

very well said :yes

I think it like everything else lately, they have the "right" so list those. As for the confederat flag that is just southern to most of us not a race thing. But then again there we go with what offends one persons doesn't another :rolleyes

i don't agree with the KKK at all but its a little funny that someone is selling them. :giggle the confederate flag is part of history just like the swastika is and so many other things.

to a degree the rule needs to be if you are offended by it, don't look at it, don't buy it don't let your kids see it. simple as that

i don't agree with the KKK at all but its a little funny that someone is selling them. :giggle the confederate flag is part of history just like the swastika is and so many other things.

to a degree the rule needs to be if you are offended by it, don't look at it, don't buy it don't let your kids see it. simple as that

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I think I'm in the minority here but I find the ebay listing extremely offensive and I'm glad it was removed. I'd feel just as offended if I saw merchandise for the NF, BNP, Nazi, Al Qaeda, LTTE or IRA on ebay. Harrisonsdream said that to a degree the rule needs to be if you are offended by it, don't look at it, don't buy it don't let your kids see it. IMO this goes beyond that degree.

Sonia I can see it but are they going to take all Malcom X, NAACP etc... and all the things you mentioned off too?
That answer would be no because then all hell would break loose. KWIM
I never said I wasn't offended by it but I was looking at it from all sides

Sonia I can see it but are they going to take all Malcom X, NAACP etc... and all the things you mentioned off too?
That answer would be no because then all hell would break loose. KWIM
I never said I wasn't offended by it but I was looking at it from all sides

I'm just voicing my opinion. I don't know much about Malcom X and I've never heard of NAACP - that's why I haven't mentioned them. Personally, I don't think people should be selling any kind of merchandise advertising an organisation that promotes illegal activities.

I'm just voicing my opinion. I don't know much about Malcom X and I've never heard of NAACP - that's why I haven't mentioned them. Personally, I don't think people should be selling any kind of merchandise advertising an organisation that promotes illegal activities.

I understand :D and I know it was your opinion:wink just stating that it needs to go all the way around to all organizations (as do you) to be equal, fair, right what ever.
But since it will never happen I agree with harrisons don't look etc... quote :D

the NAACP is a black right's organization.

sonia: unfortunately there are ALOT of things in this world that offend people. should we just live in a perfect world as described in The Giver or in Brave New World where everyone falls in line and does exactly what they should and no one is hurt or offended? i just can't see how its okay to censor some but not others. if you pull this off ebay then you should pull the "used boy's underpants" off too because that 1. tempts child molestors and 2. disturbs me esp. the used part

not sure on the Brave New World part--never have completed it all

I'm just voicing my opinion. I don't know much about Malcom X and I've never heard of NAACP - that's why I haven't mentioned them. Personally, I don't think people should be selling any kind of merchandise advertising an organisation that promotes illegal activities.

Malcolm X was a militant Muslim leader and staunch advocate of the black man's struggle in America during the 60's.

I would LOVE to see our history books tackle this topic. I think EVERY child should be introduced to hatred; how it's formed, why it's formed and the world it's forged today. I don't want these symbols of ignorance to be forgotten, I would like to see them in a museum dedicated to the atrocities hatred has spawned on this planet.

The problem with things like Malcolm X and Women's Suffrage (a campaign that led to women's rights to vote and equal pay for equal work) is that it required some manner of law breaking. Today, these people are heralded as heros for their actions, while during that time they were criminals.

A group that promotes hatred for any race that is not their own, and groups that promote the empowerment of their people to me are two completely different things. And although yes, for a period of time Malcom X did promote his hatred toward 'white' people's, he soon realized how misguided he was and clearly changed his path and focus in life to empower and bring equal rights for african americans. Just because groups organize and rally and are sometimes forced to break some laws to make their cause known, they don't go around burning people at the steak for the color of their skin or their nationality.

This has little to do with the listing so I'm totally jumping off topic but I watched a documentary about the birth of the KKK on the history channel the other night that was very interesting to say the least. I never realized it was formed as a :quote fraternity:quote of sorts and did not turn into the racist clan we know today for a while. It also had klansman from NC in todays time that proved just how uneducated and racist the klan is today :no ...it was a very interesting documentary if anyone happens to be a history nerd like me :giggle

A group that promotes hatred for any race that is not their own, and groups that promote the empowerment of their people to me are two completely different things. And although yes, for a period of time Malcom X did promote his hatred toward 'white' people's, he soon realized how misguided he was and clearly changed his path and focus in life to empower and bring equal rights for african americans. Just because groups organize and rally and are sometimes forced to break some laws to make their cause known, they don't go around burning people at the steak for the color of their skin or their nationality.

It's impossible to convince a group of people that they are being wronged, even if those people feel that way, without pointing the finger at someone. Racism isn't something that is simply turned off, it's stiffled. Some do it better than others, some simply bask in it. People will always have a reason to kill other people, and sadly, this includes the uneducated and fearful.

i think it is good they were removed.

as for some other things mentioned.

why wouldnt NAACP items be able to be sold? that is not an organisation of hate at all

i think it is good they were removed.

as for some other things mentioned.

why wouldnt NAACP items be able to be sold? that is not an organisation of hate at all

While the NAACP doesn't preach hatred in it's doctrine, it does talk to great lengths about empowering a specific group of people, regardless of station. The concept was flawed from it's inception: Companies must hire a person of a specific demographic, regardless of how qualified they are for the job. A certain amount of government contracts MUST be given to "minority-owned" companies. Affirmative action caused THOUSANDS of jobs to be filled by underqualified people, costing companies millions in lost revenue and training. It endorses black-only scholarships, yet launches an assault on the creator of a white-only scholarship. Human rights are human rights, and it doesn't matter what color you are. If you work to improve the station of a specific group of people and turn a blind eye to others in the same situation, you're preaching racism. Racism, we've proven, breeds hatred.

Very well said Hate!
I just got back over here
Yes I do have a life outside of the boards :shock
But yeah the NAACP hasn't been on peachy keen and some of their leaders and or supports are racists and haters.
That is why I mentioned them

Malcolm X was a militant Muslim leader and staunch advocate of the black man's struggle in America during the 60's.

I would LOVE to see our history books tackle this topic. I think EVERY child should be introduced to hatred; how it's formed, why it's formed and the world it's forged today. I don't want these symbols of ignorance to be forgotten, I would like to see them in a museum dedicated to the atrocities hatred has spawned on this planet.

The problem with things like Malcolm X and Women's Suffrage (a campaign that led to women's rights to vote and equal pay for equal work) is that it required some manner of law breaking. Today, these people are heralded as heros for their actions, while during that time they were criminals.

Passing on knowledge to future generations through museums and history books is one thing, selling merchandise promoting the organisations is quite another.

Affirmative Action is for women too, so I guess womens rights groups are just as bad as the NAACP? And empowering a group doesnt make them hate people...Dont look at what you said from a race view, look at it from a gender view too...

There is a HUGE difference between the KKK and the NAACP. And I think thats why they pulled the items.

jenny: as a woman i have never received the benefits of affirmative action! i was never given a job simply because they needed a woman in that position, etc etc.

jenny: as a woman i have never received the benefits of affirmative action! i was never given a job simply because they needed a woman in that position, etc etc.

Very few people can say that for certain. Employers tend not to tell individuals that they are being employed partially to fill a quota as it's not likely to motivate the employee to work to the best of their ability.

As for the confederat flag that is just southern to most of us not a race thing. But then again there we go with what offends one persons doesn't another

Exactly. The KK stands for one thing and one thing only, Racisism (sp), but the flag stands for more then that. It is a sense of pride for some, it is from a war where many have had family fight. It is a part of history and it doesn't not necissarily mean that person is racist

Sonia is right, most places dont tell you that, and its actually tacky i think if they do...You should look up what Affirimative Action is...

Purpose
Affirmative action began as a corrective measure[1] for governmental and social injustices against demographic groups that have been said to be subjected to discrimination in areas such as employment and education. The stated goal of Affirmative Action is to sufficiently counter past discrimination such that a strategy will no longer be necessary: the power elite will reflect the demographics of society at large.

Some groups who are targeted for affirmative action are characterized by race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or handicap. In India, the focus has mostly been on undoing caste discrimination. In South Africa, the focus has been primarily race-based and, to a lesser extent, sex-based discrimination. When members of targeted groups are actively sought or preferred, the reason given is usually that this is necessary to compensate for advantages that other groups are said to have had (such as through institutional racism or institutional sexism or historical circumstances).

The theory is that a simple adoption of meritocratic principles along the lines of race-blindness or gender-blindness will not suffice to change the situation for several reasons:

Discrimination practices of the past preclude the acquisition of 'merit' by limiting access to educational opportunities and job experiences.
Ostensible measures of 'merit' may well be biased toward the same groups who are already empowered.
Regardless of overt principles, people already in positions of power are likely to hire people they already know, and/or people from similar backgrounds.

Purpose
Affirmative action began as a corrective measure[1] for governmental and social injustices against demographic groups that have been said to be subjected to discrimination in areas such as employment and education. The stated goal of Affirmative Action is to sufficiently counter past discrimination such that a strategy will no longer be necessary: the power elite will reflect the demographics of society at large.

Some groups who are targeted for affirmative action are characterized by race, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or handicap. In India, the focus has mostly been on undoing caste discrimination. In South Africa, the focus has been primarily race-based and, to a lesser extent, sex-based discrimination. When members of targeted groups are actively sought or preferred, the reason given is usually that this is necessary to compensate for advantages that other groups are said to have had (such as through institutional racism or institutional sexism or historical circumstances).

The theory is that a simple adoption of meritocratic principles along the lines of race-blindness or gender-blindness will not suffice to change the situation for several reasons:

Discrimination practices of the past preclude the acquisition of 'merit' by limiting access to educational opportunities and job experiences.
Ostensible measures of 'merit' may well be biased toward the same groups who are already empowered.
Regardless of overt principles, people already in positions of power are likely to hire people they already know, and/or people from similar backgrounds.

Allow me to sum this up: If you give special benefits to a certain demographic and offer nothing to everyone else, you're spreading the seeds for a hatred that can never die. The NAACP and government can claim that this project is designed to balance the distribution of power throughout America as a whole, but all a white male sees is that he is now the minority. Affirmative action has been ruled a violation of rights in quite a few states, quite factually, for making white males the economic source of these "amends". This fact alone tells people that white males are the source of the problem, further propogating hatred.

Don't think for a moment I would post something here without having a clue as to what I was talking about :)

ETA: And I dislike raising a problem without presenting a solution. If you want to stop hatred and remove someone's ability to use the "minority" card, double hire management roles. Companies were being forced to let go some of their personnel to free up jobs for affirmative action. Had they have hired a second manger from the minority demograhic, given equal power as the current manager, then all of these problems would cease. IMO, anyway.

But again you are not looking at everything else...You are stuck on the NAACP thing...There is more to it than just RACE....So when its used for women, they are spreading the seeds of hate?

But again you are not looking at everything else...You are stuck on the NAACP thing...There is more to it than just RACE....So when its used for women, they are spreading the seeds of hate?

If you give special benefits to a certain demographic and offer nothing to everyone else, you're spreading the seeds for a hatred that can never die.

If you take something away from someone simply to give it to someone else with the reasoning being "That person is a minority who may or may not have earned it," then people will get upset. The equivelant of this is someone telling you (assuming you have brown hair naturally) that you can't have a particular job, which is reserved for blondes, who were previously discriminated against. You have no control over your hair color, they won't let you dye it, you're equally or more qualified than this particular blonde and the people responsible for this injustice died out some 200 years ago.

See what I'm getting at?

I suppose, I just dont agree with you thats all...I think that sometimes AA has helped women get a little more ahead in this country, and im glad it did! So maybe I support the spreading of the hate seed I guess...

I suppose, I just dont agree with you thats all...I think that sometimes AA has helped women get a little more ahead in this country, and im glad it did! So maybe I support the spreading of the hate seed I guess...

Don't be so hard on yourself.. you're just a pawn in this power struggle, just like the rest of us :)

Hey I know I got this job based on expeirence LOL I have peoples spouses coming in here complaining that their wives didnt get hired, so it makes me feel better LOL

i guess i dislike AA because i have been told that i am not being hired simply because they haven't filled their :quotequota:quote yet.

Allow me to sum this up: If you give special benefits to a certain demographic and offer nothing to everyone else, you're spreading the seeds for a hatred that can never die. The NAACP and government can claim that this project is designed to balance the distribution of power throughout America as a whole, but all a white male sees is that he is now the minority. Affirmative action has been ruled a violation of rights in quite a few states, quite factually, for making white males the economic source of these "amends". This fact alone tells people that white males are the source of the problem, further propogating hatred.

Don't think for a moment I would post something here without having a clue as to what I was talking about :)

ETA: And I dislike raising a problem without presenting a solution. If you want to stop hatred and remove someone's ability to use the "minority" card, double hire management roles. Companies were being forced to let go some of their personnel to free up jobs for affirmative action. Had they have hired a second manger from the minority demograhic, given equal power as the current manager, then all of these problems would cease. IMO, anyway.


well said...better than me.