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Sarah
11-23-2006, 11:56 AM
Personally, I find nothing wrong with this! There is the Negro College fund and and other scholarships for black people and they have the National Hispanic Recognition Scholarship. So, why can't there be a white scholarship???

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=2674267&page=1

BOSTON, Nov. 22, 2006 — Joe Mroszczyk, president of the College Republicans at Boston University, admits he set out to stir up a hornet's nest when he came up with the idea of offering a whites-only scholarship at the school. But he got a little more buzz than he bargained for.

"To tell you the truth, we didn't see this coming," Mroszczyk said. "The Drudge Report picked it up yesterday, and today I just finished a round of national interviews. It's kind of overwhelming."

All the media attention is focused on a $250 Caucasian Achievement and Recognition Scholarship offered by Mroszczyk and the BU chapter of the College Republicans. Applicants must have a cumulative grade point average of 3.2 or higher; they must write two essays; and, here's the kicker, they must be at least one-quarter Caucasian.

The application itself offers an explanation: "We believe that racial preferences in all their forms are perhaps the worst form of bigotry confronting America today."

According to Mroszczyk, his group is offering the scholarship to point out "how ridiculous it is to have any sort of racially based scholarship."

At BU, for example, students who are at least one-quarter Hispanic can apply for a National Hispanic Recognition Scholarship.

"There are plenty of poor, white, academically gifted students who need that money just as much," Mroszczyk said.

It isn't the first time a group of students has tried this kind of stunt.

Two years ago a chapter of the College Republicans at Roger Williams University also offered a $250 whites-only scholarship. That's where the BU students got the idea.

"We are not doing this as some kind of white supremacy thing. I wanted to have a dialogue about racial preference," Mroszczyk said.

It seems as if Mroszczyk has gotten his wish. People from across the country are now weighing in on the idea through e-mail and the radio. And closer to home, some BU students are having their say too.

"It's a poor way to talk about affirmative action," said David Coreas, the 21-year-old senior who is president of the Latino fraternity Phi Iota Alpha at BU. "If they want to have a scholarship, then let them have a scholarship, but they're stirring up controversy in the wrong way."

Coreas said he believes that racially based scholarships are necessary to level a very uneven academic playing field.



"We have to look at the situation honestly," he said. "Caucasians tend to have a higher per capita income than Latinos and other minorities. We have to have scholarships to survive."



Coreas said he would welcome an honest dialogue on campus about race and affirmative action.



Mroszczyk admits even some of his good friends are shaking their heads.



"They said I can't believe you're doing this," he said.



But for all the talk, there are still no takers for the scholarship. The application has been available online since Nov. 7, and so far not one student has filled it out.



That's money wasted, according to David Coreas.



"I wish I could apply: That $250 could help me pay for my textbooks," he said.



Coreas isn't eligible, though.



But for BU students who have a pretty good GPA and can write a couple of essays, there's still time, as long as they're also 25 percent Caucasian. The deadline for applications is Nov. 30.

=Mrs.AiNokeA=
11-23-2006, 12:02 PM
I agree with you... they have black why not white. People are so silly. :giggle

Sarah
11-23-2006, 12:10 PM
Oh, I knew caca would hit the fan. That's no surprise to me :no. I think it's sad that the other races think that they are the only one entitled to these scholarships. I think that's such BS! I hope they keep this scholarship. There are so many poor white kids out there who are as smart as a whip, and they need this!

Becca
11-23-2006, 12:14 PM
Sorry, I deleted my comment. It doesn't really matter what I say on this issue, I'll be wrong and someone will get offended thinking I'm racist. My words have been so twisted lately that I have decided to shut my trap. I feel like I'm turning into Breezy.

Sarah
11-23-2006, 12:38 PM
No Becca!!!! Don't delete your comment! I am sure someone will get offended by what I wrote, and I really don't care.

=Mrs.AiNokeA=
11-23-2006, 12:41 PM
Sorry, I deleted my comment. It doesn't really matter what I say on this issue, I'll be wrong and someone will get offended thinking I'm racist. My words have been so twisted lately that I have decided to shut my trap. I feel like I'm turning into Breezy.

Oooh dont do that what about the people who agree with you... like me I agree with you. :yes You shouldnt be afraid about a few silly people. :giggle

Becca
11-23-2006, 12:53 PM
OK then. Put simply - I wholeheartedly agree with the point that was made - there are plenty of gifted, POOR WHITE KIDS out there too. I was one. I don't think they're out of line at all for making this statement...

Kaymara
11-23-2006, 12:56 PM
Unfortuantly it is the world we live in. See when people of other races bad mouth, bad talk, are mean to whites it isn't viewed as racist. Its viewed as "payback" or "deserved" Because of what happened in our history. But if white people do the same thing it's racist. I know because I had something happen to me in my past. I had the snot beaten out of me by 8 black girls. They were tossing around racial slurs. Calling me a honkey, spitting on me and my friend, saying they spit on our race, etc. I never once said anything about theirs. My mom called the cops. Cops came. Asked if I made racial slurs. I said no. Said they were. They kinda shruged it off. Because a racial slur towards a white person wasnt considered racist for some odd reason. And the only reason they beat the crap outta us was cuz we were white. :no Well according to them :shrug

I'm sorry. Racism shows no color. And racism sucks. But its there. There will always be a form of racism. It doesnt matter what we do sadly.

Now lets take into the scholarships. People cry its racist for there to be a white only one and I just dont agree with that. There are scholarships for so many other races why not have 1 for whites as well? Oh because of our past. Or because we are considered the majority and not a miniroty howveer things are changing in that department too. There are people who NEED it

Its just sad to me that people cannot look past the smaller picture to the bigger picture. It isnt caucasions trying to be racist (at least in my view) Its that they are trying to keep up with the times, be fair, and what not...

JudyB
11-23-2006, 01:10 PM
To me, the people who are against this have not totally read what this scholarship is about. It says one quarter caucasion......that means anyone who is has one hispanic parent and one caucasion parent they can apply, same with mulato's, and ony other mixed person. I totally agree that this is a wonderful idea...just think, if this thing got shot down what would these people think if someone who is caucasion researches there ancestry and finds hey, I'm a quarter negro or hispanic and then they go and apply...what the hell would happen?? It would get promptly denied...where as I see this as something VERY fair for any race...just as long as they have quarter caucasion. Geez, people really need to lighten up in this world and stop thinking in color

Aymber
11-23-2006, 01:12 PM
I agree too.Noone says it is racist when it is a black or hispanic only scholarship.And I don't think there is anything wrong with those either.

Brandi
11-23-2006, 01:38 PM
I whole heartedly agree with kristi on this.

Mao
11-23-2006, 02:00 PM
I believe this is why scholarships were created for minority groups:

Coreas said he believes that racially based scholarships are necessary to level a very uneven academic playing field.



"We have to look at the situation honestly," he said. "Caucasians tend to have a higher per capita income than Latinos and other minorities. We have to have scholarships to survive."

That said, it would be unfair to protest against a white-only scholarship, given that there are so many minority scholarships out there. I agree with Becca - there are plenty of financially challenged white kids who could benefit from this. Technically speaking, you don't even have to be white to apply!

Armylove
11-23-2006, 02:19 PM
My point on this is, it shouldnt matter what race, gender, sexuality, anything, everyone should good an equal chance at a scholorship. Everyone who wants to go to college should get the chance, regardless.

I dont care whether or not its a negro college fund, a white fund, a I have 6 toes college fund.

If it gets more people to higher education Im ok with it.

Hatetank
11-23-2006, 02:43 PM
I've been screaming this for years now.. since the first scholarship-debacle hit the poo fan. Scholarships are designed to help people cover the cost of education. If you REALLY want to even the playing field, remove any stipulations of said scholarship that limit applicants in any way. This is the legal (and morally fair) way of doing it. Here's the problem:

People don't donate money to said college funds unless they believe in what it stands for, or will more readily donate if they associate with the cause.

Not many whites would donate to the UNCF, not out of racism, but simply because they don't relate to it.

The solution is simple: Remove EVERY SINGLE stipulation to college funds. The message that's out there now is "I'm a minority and I get special benefits because someone a long time ago was wronged by someone you're not related to, have never met and died 300 years ago." Once again, this is spreading a seed of hatred that can't be overcome.

This would be the equivelant of Native Americans demanding Spain pay reparations because they funded Christopher Colombus' expedition to America.

Fair is fair, and right is right. These minority-based scholarships undermine everything the Constitution was designed to overcome. You CAN'T give preferential treatment to someone simply because of a physical feature. If you could, the handicapped would STILL be fighting for equal rights in the work place.

Berkley
11-23-2006, 02:45 PM
I've been screaming this for years now.. since the first scholarship-debacle hit the poo fan. Scholarships are designed to help people cover the cost of education. If you REALLY want to even the playing field, remove any stipulations of said scholarship that limit applicants in any way. This is the legal (and morally fair) way of doing it. Here's the problem:

People don't donate money to said college funds unless they believe in what it stands for, or will more readily donate if they associate with the cause.

Not many whites would donate to the UNCF, not out of racism, but simply because they don't relate to it.

The solution is simple: Remove EVERY SINGLE stipulation to college funds. The message that's out there now is "I'm a minority and I get special benefits because someone a long time ago was wronged by someone you're not related to, have never met and died 300 years ago." Once again, this is spreading a seed of hatred that can't be overcome.

This would be the equivelant of Native Americans demanding Spain pay reparations because they funded Christopher Colombus' expedition to America.

Fair is fair, and right is right. These minority-based scholarships undermine everything the Constitution was designed to overcome. You CAN'T give preferential treatment to someone simply because of a physical feature. If you could, the handicapped would STILL be fighting for equal rights in the work place.

I totally agree with that.

harrisonsdream
11-23-2006, 03:18 PM
people are sheep!

i'm so sick of people thinking that whites are racists whenever they do something to better their own downtrodden of their race.

harrisonsdream
11-23-2006, 03:20 PM
Unfortuantly it is the world we live in. See when people of other races bad mouth, bad talk, are mean to whites it isn't viewed as racist. Its viewed as "payback" or "deserved" Because of what happened in our history. But if white people do the same thing it's racist. I know because I had something happen to me in my past. I had the snot beaten out of me by 8 black girls. They were tossing around racial slurs. Calling me a honkey, spitting on me and my friend, saying they spit on our race, etc. I never once said anything about theirs. My mom called the cops. Cops came. Asked if I made racial slurs. I said no. Said they were. They kinda shruged it off. Because a racial slur towards a white person wasnt considered racist for some odd reason. And the only reason they beat the crap outta us was cuz we were white. :no Well according to them :shrug

I'm sorry. Racism shows no color. And racism sucks. But its there. There will always be a form of racism. It doesnt matter what we do sadly.

Now lets take into the scholarships. People cry its racist for there to be a white only one and I just dont agree with that. There are scholarships for so many other races why not have 1 for whites as well? Oh because of our past. Or because we are considered the majority and not a miniroty howveer things are changing in that department too. There are people who NEED it

Its just sad to me that people cannot look past the smaller picture to the bigger picture. It isnt caucasions trying to be racist (at least in my view) Its that they are trying to keep up with the times, be fair, and what not...


:yeehaw

Cherrish
11-23-2006, 03:47 PM
You know what? I honesty don't feel sorry for the kid who started this scholarship at all for all the heat he's getting...he knew exactly what he was doing when he started the scholarship.....

That being said, I don't see the big deal.....it's a 1 scholarship out of how many? How is it racist? I don't get it.....they're really making a big deal out of nothing....

Veronica
11-23-2006, 06:12 PM
again, I could care less about race...racsist isnt something only white people are...black, white, brown...it exsists in EVERY race...as for the scholarship...hey if it helps pay for college, why not use it? I would...

Caimbrie
11-23-2006, 06:20 PM
Yah I said something about this in another debate.. I knew that it wouldn't be ok for there to be a white scholarship.. how ironic.

Caimbrie
11-23-2006, 06:22 PM
Unfortuantly it is the world we live in. See when people of other races bad mouth, bad talk, are mean to whites it isn't viewed as racist. Its viewed as "payback" or "deserved" Because of what happened in our history. But if white people do the same thing it's racist. I know because I had something happen to me in my past. I had the snot beaten out of me by 8 black girls. They were tossing around racial slurs. Calling me a honkey, spitting on me and my friend, saying they spit on our race, etc. I never once said anything about theirs. My mom called the cops. Cops came. Asked if I made racial slurs. I said no. Said they were. They kinda shruged it off. Because a racial slur towards a white person wasnt considered racist for some odd reason. And the only reason they beat the crap outta us was cuz we were white. :no Well according to them :shrug

I'm sorry. Racism shows no color. And racism sucks. But its there. There will always be a form of racism. It doesnt matter what we do sadly.

Now lets take into the scholarships. People cry its racist for there to be a white only one and I just dont agree with that. There are scholarships for so many other races why not have 1 for whites as well? Oh because of our past. Or because we are considered the majority and not a miniroty howveer things are changing in that department too. There are people who NEED it

Its just sad to me that people cannot look past the smaller picture to the bigger picture. It isnt caucasions trying to be racist (at least in my view) Its that they are trying to keep up with the times, be fair, and what not...


You nailed it Kristi

amandalaine
11-23-2006, 06:45 PM
You know...If you really think about it, the scholarship is actually the exact opposite of being racist. Yea, you have to be 1/4 caucasion, but that's ONLY 1/4 caucasion. In other words, if you want to kind of twist it around, it promotes acceptance of mixed races, which is still a work in progress in this country. If it was a racist scholarship, it would be a 100% caucasion requirement, because in my opinion, people that are racist aren't tolerant of mixed relationships and those created from them.

Kaymara
11-23-2006, 08:02 PM
If it was a racist scholarship, it would be a 100% caucasion requirement, .

Exactly my point. How is 100% caucasion scholarship any different then 100%of another race scholarship? So how is it racist? Its no different. But sadly it'll viewed that way....

Ellen
11-23-2006, 08:16 PM
Sorry, I deleted my comment. It doesn't really matter what I say on this issue, I'll be wrong and someone will get offended thinking I'm racist. My words have been so twisted lately that I have decided to shut my trap. I feel like I'm turning into Breezy.

I don't care who gets offended by my comments right now....because this is crap. I believe that everyone is equal. EVERYONE. If the NAACP, UNCF and whoever else wants to give out scholarships to black students, then why not have a problem with giving a white student scholarship?? Who in their right mind would be pissed about giving any deserving student regardless of ethnicity a chance to go to college???

Veronica
11-23-2006, 08:23 PM
I don't care who gets offended by my comments right now....because this is crap. I believe that everyone is equal. EVERYONE. If the NAACP, UNCF and whoever else wants to give out scholarships to black students, then why not have a problem with giving a white student scholarship?? Who in their right mind would be pissed about giving any deserving student regardless of ethnicity a chance to go to college???

regardless of ethnicity...I hate that things have to be about race...such a horrible world we live in sometimes...:(

Cher
11-23-2006, 08:26 PM
I don't see anything wrong with it. Like some of the other ladies have said, there are plenty of poor white kids out there that need scholarships too. I'm one of them. So far the only scholarship that I've ever won was for people who had blue eyes and wrote a good essay. Most of the scholarships I've seen only apply to minorities.

Ellen
11-23-2006, 08:27 PM
regardless of ethnicity...I hate that things have to be about race...such a horrible world we live in sometimes...:(
I do have to agree with you on that. Why can't there just be "Scholarships". Who cares what race someone is. If a student RATES being recognized for their hard work, then THAT should be the factor on a scholarship. Get rid of the stupid box on the applications....ALL applications. Who cares what race someone is, as long as they can do the work.

Veronica
11-23-2006, 08:35 PM
I do have to agree with you on that. Why can't there just be "Scholarships". Who cares what race someone is. If a student RATES being recognized for their hard work, then THAT should be the factor on a scholarship. Get rid of the stupid box on the applications....ALL applications. Who cares what race someone is, as long as they can do the work.

:yes

Breezy
11-23-2006, 08:40 PM
Sorry, I deleted my comment. It doesn't really matter what I say on this issue, I'll be wrong and someone will get offended thinking I'm racist. My words have been so twisted lately that I have decided to shut my trap. I feel like I'm turning into Breezy.

Is that good or bad:dunno
I feel that it should still be available cause like said there are plenty of others for certain races

Breezy
11-23-2006, 08:45 PM
Kristi I think you have said it all very well

MelissaMc424
11-23-2006, 09:00 PM
OK then. Put simply - I wholeheartedly agree with the point that was made - there are plenty of gifted, POOR WHITE KIDS out there too. I was one. I don't think they're out of line at all for making this statement...

:yes I totally agree!!!!

Cherrish
11-23-2006, 09:11 PM
You know...If you really think about it, the scholarship is actually the exact opposite of being racist. Yea, you have to be 1/4 caucasion, but that's ONLY 1/4 caucasion. In other words, if you want to kind of twist it around, it promotes acceptance of mixed races, which is still a work in progress in this country. If it was a racist scholarship, it would be a 100% caucasion requirement, because in my opinion, people that are racist aren't tolerant of mixed relationships and those created from them.

I agree. That's why I don't get why it's causing such a big uproar.....it's kinda sad, really. :yes

HEIDI
11-23-2006, 09:50 PM
I don't care who gets offended by my comments right now....because this is crap. I believe that everyone is equal. EVERYONE. If the NAACP, UNCF and whoever else wants to give out scholarships to black students, then why not have a problem with giving a white student scholarship?? Who in their right mind would be pissed about giving any deserving student regardless of ethnicity a chance to go to college???

I whole heartedly agree on this!!! If you really take a look at the satistics of the US, the caucasian group are becoming minority as well. I know from the demographics of my daughters school, we, being "caucasian" are the minority there

Enrollment by Race/Ethnicity:
Students

Amer Ind/Alaskan: 3 Asian: 39 Black: 40 Hispanic: 627 White: 98

Sarah
11-23-2006, 10:32 PM
Unfortuantly it is the world we live in. See when people of other races bad mouth, bad talk, are mean to whites it isn't viewed as racist. Its viewed as "payback" or "deserved" Because of what happened in our history. But if white people do the same thing it's racist. I know because I had something happen to me in my past. I had the snot beaten out of me by 8 black girls. They were tossing around racial slurs. Calling me a honkey, spitting on me and my friend, saying they spit on our race, etc. I never once said anything about theirs. My mom called the cops. Cops came. Asked if I made racial slurs. I said no. Said they were. They kinda shruged it off. Because a racial slur towards a white person wasnt considered racist for some odd reason. And the only reason they beat the crap outta us was cuz we were white. :no Well according to them :shrug

I'm sorry. Racism shows no color. And racism sucks. But its there. There will always be a form of racism. It doesnt matter what we do sadly.

Now lets take into the scholarships. People cry its racist for there to be a white only one and I just dont agree with that. There are scholarships for so many other races why not have 1 for whites as well? Oh because of our past. Or because we are considered the majority and not a miniroty howveer things are changing in that department too. There are people who NEED it

Its just sad to me that people cannot look past the smaller picture to the bigger picture. It isnt caucasions trying to be racist (at least in my view) Its that they are trying to keep up with the times, be fair, and what not...

You hit the nail right on the head :yes

Rileysmom
11-23-2006, 10:50 PM
I don't see what all the fuss is about. Most scholarships are privately funded from companies, associations, private parties, etc. So who is to say who they can fund their money too? If I had a shitload of money, I would love to make scholarships for military wives, and scholarships for people who have worked/helped with special needs children, because those are two things that are near to my heart. Most scholarships are started for reasons similar to mine... An African-American that had a hard time paying for college, so they set up a scholarship for African Americans... a left-handed student that had a hard time taking tests on the right handed desks, so they start a scholarship for left-handed students, etc.

And I don't agree about the point in the article about "knowing what he was getting into"... What was he getting into? I mean, it appears to me he was doing it to make a point, but I still don't see what all the fuss about. Do we say "Oh boy, does he know what he is getting into?" when a Hispanic scholarship is offered? Or a woman-only scholarship? NO.

I don't see any racism in this at all.

Brialee
11-23-2006, 10:52 PM
I agree with Ellen 100%. I'm actually one of the people that has always thought that having scholarships based on race is wrong. I saw on a show once where they said that they were giving other students scholarships to schools that they couldn't keep up with just because they were trying to fill in the minority spots. I think it's wrong to deny someone a scholarship simply because of race. I know I've never been extremely interested in school and I would feel bad if I took the chance away from a white student simply because I'm Mexican. I think I would feel cheated too because when you bring race into it, it no longer matters just how well you did, I would feel like they didn't really look at my hard work but the fact that I was Mexican. It would feel like they didn't really value all the hard work I went through to earn it.

Breezy
11-24-2006, 12:12 AM
I whole heartedly agree on this!!! If you really take a look at the satistics of the US, the caucasian group are becoming minority as well. I know from the demographics of my daughters school, we, being "caucasian" are the minority there

Enrollment by Race/Ethnicity:
Students

Amer Ind/Alaskan: 3 Asian: 39 Black: 40 Hispanic: 627 White: 98

that sounds like here except the black population here is probably more like 10 and white about 70

Kara
11-24-2006, 12:13 AM
It's one thing to put an income level stipulation with scholarships, another to put a race stipulation with a scholarship. Just strange to me. Perhaps another reason why it is causing such an uproar is because it was funded by the College Repulicans and in Massachusetts?

Armylove
11-24-2006, 12:19 AM
Anyone who wants to get a higher education should be allowed. In my opinion high education to a point should be free to anyone who wants it.

Mao
11-24-2006, 03:15 AM
Anyone who wants to get a higher education should be allowed. In my opinion high education to a point should be free to anyone who wants it.

:yes That was the intention when universities were first established and that's how it should be now. High tuition costs just make for elitism.

Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with the scholarship - I think it makes a fair point. I hope that it'll be one step towards the abolition of scholarships based on ethnicity.

MontanaSweetie
11-24-2006, 09:49 PM
You know what, if I went to that school, I'd be the first one down there applying for that scholarship!

I'm so tired of the "race" debate on scholarships in this world. We as a country should want all of our children and future generations to have access to best education possible.

Sarah
11-24-2006, 09:51 PM
You know what, if I went to that school, I'd be the first one down there applying for that scholarship!



Damn right! I would be down there right with ya!!

Victoria
11-24-2006, 10:24 PM
There are TONS of students who are half white and half black, native american, hispanic, middle eastern, etc...
I really don't see the big deal!!!
If I went to that college, I'd apply too!!! :D