With the apparent debate that occurred with my couch thread, do you think I should get my money for my couches?? Why or why not??

I would ask for it. :)

Yes. The kids were un-supervised and the parents should have been watching them more closely. From what you said, you didn't just leave pens lying around (that would be kid-bait) so not only did they draw all over, they also were going through your things where they should not have been. I would also try to get one of them to confess before making all of them pay.

Yes, they should at least offer to cover the cost of having the couches cleaned to see if that removes the ink stains. I think it's the parents' fault because they weren't supervising their children properly.

The only reason I'm asking is because I see the people's point about not having to pay if I can't prove which kid actually did it. But from my point of view, since I can't prove it and if I don't make them pay, then I would have to pull $300 outta my ass to fix something I didn't do. It's not really fair to anyone, but you gotta take responsibility if your child did do something.

I agree yes you should but I said my piece in the other thread if anyone wants to know it they can go there and read all of my replies :giggle

Apparently the guilty child didn't get ink on his hands? I've almost never seen my 2 year old use a pen and not accidentally write on herself as well...

Sorry, but I said No. IMO, kids are going to be kids. Live and learn.

And if you are going to ask, and if they say no, then don't get bent out of shape about it. You can't force people to pay you when you have no proof as to who did it.

Good luck though! I hope you are able to get the couch fixed somehow. :goodvibes

Apparently the guilty child didn't get ink on his hands? I've almost never seen my 2 year old use a pen and not accidentally write on herself as well...

I didn't even think about looking at their hands. I was so mad I couldn't go near the kids because I woulda snapped on them.

I didn't even think about looking at their hands. I was so mad I couldn't go near the kids because I woulda snapped on them.

That's when you demand that the parents inspect the kids hands and clothing... because you can bet, the guilty kid probably had ink on themself... Especially if it was a toddler... ;)

I said yes, but I would only ask that they pitch in and pay like half. A 2yo should not have been let loose in someone elses house.

Yes. The kids were un-supervised and the parents should have been watching them more closely. From what you said, you didn't just leave pens lying around (that would be kid-bait) so not only did they draw all over, they also were going through your things where they should not have been. I would also try to get one of them to confess before making all of them pay.

:yes

I still say no. I think you can at least suggest they pay something. The way you're coming across is that you're going to do what ever you can to force the parents of the "fucking kids" to pay all of the damages. I would not pay you one dime with your attitude even if I saw my kid do it. I understand you have a nice couch but you know from previous experence that kids will mess it up so you should have been helping and encouraging the parents to watch their kids. I still stand by the learning experence, you learn a very valueble lesson.

I still say no. I think you can at least suggest they pay something. The way you're coming across is that you're going to do what ever you can to force the parents of the "fucking kids" to pay all of the damages. I would not pay you one dime with your attitude even if I saw my kid do it. I understand you have a nice couch but you know from previous experence that kids will mess it up so you should have been helping and encouraging the parents to watch their kids. I still stand by the learning experence, you learn a very valueable lesson.

I don't see how I'm trying to do whatever I can to get the parents to pay for what happened. And please try to explain to me what exactly my "attitude" is. I don't think I should encourage parents to watch their kids, I think they should do that on their own without another person telling them to do so. I don't think this should be considered a learning experience for me, I think it should be considered a learning experience for the adults to pay more attention to their kids instead of letting them do whatever they please.

I think it should be considered a learning experience for the adults to pay more attention to their kids instead of letting them do whatever they please.

Yep. I firmly believe that parents should be responsible for their kids actions. It was not your responsibility to make sure the parents were watching their kids, it was the parents, and if the kids mess up while they were not watching them, then the parents are responsible.

Yep. I firmly believe that parents should be responsible for their kids actions. If they do something while the parents are not there, the parents should be held responsible because they were not watching their kids. It was not your responsibility to make sure the parents were watching their kids. It was the parents, and if the kids mess up while they were not watching them, then the parents are responsible.

:yes Exactly!:agree

We never had a problem with other people's kids destroying things in our home before we had Camryn, and still don't to this day. Our friends have always been very considerate of things in our home, and supervise their children accordingly.

yes for sure

I guess my issue is that it was not just one child that was there. It was a group of children. How are you going to make everyone pay for that? It just doesn't seem right to me.

I guess my issue is that it was not just one child that was there. It was a group of children. How are you going to make everyone pay for that? It just doesn't seem right to me.

I'm splitting it up between the parents.

Gosh. Now this is just going to turn into another debate. I do not like debates. *walks away*

:hugs

Gosh. Now this is just going to turn into another debate. I do not like debates. *walks away*

:hugs

I guess it's like debate day or something..

I said yes, you should get the money from the parents.

You came on here saying how the "fucking kids" drew all over your couch and their parents are going to come up with $150 bucks each. You refuse to try any other way to clean it. I get you have a warrenty but if you can clean it and it looks fine whats the big deal you don't have to tell the company you did that. If your fabric doesn't come clean using some of the methods others suggested then replace them. micro fiber is suppost to be very cleanable fabric. I feel its very unreasonable for you to expect a family to come up with extra money to replace something their child may or may not have messed up. Its your couch, your home, your pen, your guests. You invited them over. You know what kids do since your couch has been damaged before. You should expect to assume all financial responsibilities for your property.

Do you have renters or homeowners insurance? Maybe that might cover it.

Don't you all get me wrong here. If it had happened and my kids were involved I'd be horrified and so embarrassed but until I knew for sure one of kids did it I'd not offer up any money and I for sure woul dnot pay anything that was demanded.

I think it's definately going to be a lesson learned on everyone's part.. you'll learn who you can and can't trust, and who really watches their kids.. they'll learn that they should have supervised a little better, and that even kid's mistakes have consequences that sometimes we as parents have to be accountable for.

Good luck, this is my last post on this thread.:goodvibes :)

I'm splitting it up between the parents.


I understand that, but I still don't see how its fair. But, that's just me though.

Its your couch, your home, your pen, your guests. You invited them over. You know what kids do since your couch has been damaged before. You should expect to assume all financial responsibilities for your property.

See, I feel exactly the opposite. If i am invited to someone's house and my kids damage something (or it's a tossup as to who's kid did it), I feel responsible and feel the need to remedy the situation. And if someone's kids damaged something in my home, I would hope that that child's parents would feel the same way.

You came on here saying how the "fucking kids" drew all over your couch and their parents are going to come up with $150 bucks each. You refuse to try any other way to clean it. I get you have a warrenty but if you can clean it and it looks fine whats the big deal you don't have to tell the company you did that. If your fabric doesn't come clean using some of the methods others suggested then replace them. micro fiber is suppost to be very cleanable fabric. I feel its very unreasonable for you to expect a family to come up with extra money to replace something their child may or may not have messed up. Its your couch, your home, your pen, your guests. You invited them over. You know what kids do since your couch has been damaged before. You should expect to assume all financial responsibilities for your property.

Do you have renters or homeowners insurance? Maybe that might cover it.

I guess you didn't read in my other thread that I was gonna talk to the warranty company to see if they were gonna cover it, and if they don't, I'm going to try the other methods that people have suggested. I don't want to clean it with the other methods before I talk to the warranty company in case it messes the couches up more than the already are, then they will fully know that I cleaned it with other items which will void my warranty. It may be "my couch, my home, my pen, my guests" but they are their kids and they should have taken responsibility of their kids and it would have never happened.

I understand that, but I still don't see how its fair. But, that's just me though.

But is it fair to me to come up with the money to fix what someone else did?

But is it fair to me to come up with the money to fix what someone else did?


IMO, yes. I know its a very unfortunate situation. I wouldn't want my couch messed up either. But, you were most likely sitting in the other room hanging out with those parents, while their kids were in the other room. Didn't you say you had them in the livingroom watching a movie? I'm sure that was purposely done so that all the adults could interact together without the kids around. I don't see how you can blame the parents for that. They can't be watching their kids, and hanging out with the adults at the same time, if you already had the 2 groups seperated to begin with.

I guess you didn't read in my other thread that I was gonna talk to the warranty company to see if they were gonna cover it, and if they don't, I'm going to try the other methods that people have suggested. I don't want to clean it with the other methods before I talk to the warranty company in case it messes the couches up more than the already are, then they will fully know that I cleaned it with other items which will void my warranty. It may be "my couch, my home, my pen, my guests" but they are their kids and they should have taken responsibility of their kids and it would have never happened.

Im not going to go back and reread everything but I only saw you post saying you looked on their web site and it says they won't cover it if your child drew on it. I did not see you say you would try other things if it did not cover it. I understand you wanting to wait and see if it could be covered. I'd do that too.

IMO, yes. I know its a very unfortunate situation. I wouldn't want my couch messed up either. But, you were most likely sitting in the other room hanging out with those parents, while their kids were in the other room. Didn't you say you had them in the livingroom watching a movie? I'm sure that was purposely done so that all the adults could interact together without the kids around. I don't see how you can blame the parents for that. They can't be watching their kids, and hanging out with the adults at the same time, if you already had the 2 groups seperated to begin with.

Did I ever say that I put the movie in just so the adults interact without the kids around? Yeah, I'm not thinkin so. The kids asked to put a movie in, so I told them to pick a movie out and I would put it in, which I've always done for them. I never once said to the adults "hey come hang out with us and not worry about your kids" I don't see how a person can not pay attention to their kid, regardless of what they're doing. Just because you're hanging out with other adults doesn't mean that you can't make sure your kid isn't doing something their not supposed to.

But is it fair to me to come up with the money to fix what someone else did?

No its not fair. but you shouldn't expect someone to pay for damages their child may not have done.

Did I ever say that I put the movie in just so the adults interact without the kids around? Yeah, I'm not thinkin so. The kids asked to put a movie in, so I told them to pick a movie out and I would put it in, which I've always done for them. I never once said to the adults "hey come hang out with us and not worry about your kids" I don't see how a person can not pay attention to their kid, regardless of what they're doing. Just because you're hanging out with other adults doesn't mean that you can't make sure your kid isn't doing something their not supposed to.

I really don't know what to tell you, because you're not getting the point. We are on two different wave lengths here. I guess you shouldn't have any friends with kids then, or you should take your get togethers over to their house so you don't have to worry about these issues.

I hope you all come to some sort of agreement and that your couch is able to get fixed. Good luck!

I really don't know what to tell you, because you're not getting the point. We are on two different wave lengths here. I guess you shouldn't have any friends with kids then, or you should take your get togethers over to their house so you don't have to worry about these issues.

I hope you all come to some sort of agreement and that your couch is able to get fixed. Good luck!

I guess I'm not seeing your point. I understand that it's not fair to make them pay because we don't know what kid did it, but it wouldn't have happened if the parents had checked on their kid every now and then. And it's not fair to me to have deal with it because the parents were too busy to worry about what their kids were doing.

I'm splitting it up between the parents.

So, you are going to make the parents of the kid that didn't do it pay?? That seems fair... NOT!!! I think you should live and learn. You should of had it an adult party with no kids, if no one was going to pay attention to them. Seems to me from what I can tell, you don't really like kids and even suggested when we had our little get together here in Fallon that we should all leave our kids home... well it wasn't at your house, so you had no say.

I voted no, I think if you had friends over that had children you should have made sure the children were supervised because it is your things they would mess up! Everytime we have had people over Im supervising over everyone wether there are children here or not because if someone messes up anything of mine I will see it there for I will know who to make fork out money!

So, you are going to make the parents of the kid that didn't do it pay?? That seems fair... NOT!!! I think you should live and learn. You should of had it an adult party with no kids, if no one was going to pay attention to them. Seems to me from what I can tell, you don't really like kids and even suggested when we had our little get together here in Fallon that we should all leave our kids home... well it wasn't at your house, so you had no say.

You have no right to tell me that I don't even like kids. You've never met me, you know nothing about me, so don't assume how I am. With the get to gether, I asked because I don't always want to be around kids, whether how much I like them or not. I like the time with adults, not worrying about a kid screaming in the background, so sue me. I never said "hey leave your kids at home" I was playing with Crystal because she always said she hated being away from Reagan. So don't you even act like you know me, because you don't.

DO NOT claim it on your renters you will hve a hell of a time getting insurance after that and your deductible is probably 500 any ways.
And I personally after hearing this don't know if I would ever let another military family into my home cause this is complete bs that parents don't give a fuck about what their kids do.
Like I said my kids don't lie they know better and they haven't been taught to yet. And I am sure if they were asked unless they have been taught to lie would tell the truth!!
Certainly will be rethinking having people in my home ever again I know thatYou came on here saying how the "fucking kids" drew all over your couch and their parents are going to come up with $150 bucks each. You refuse to try any other way to clean it. I get you have a warrenty but if you can clean it and it looks fine whats the big deal you don't have to tell the company you did that. If your fabric doesn't come clean using some of the methods others suggested then replace them. micro fiber is suppost to be very cleanable fabric. I feel its very unreasonable for you to expect a family to come up with extra money to replace something their child may or may not have messed up. Its your couch, your home, your pen, your guests. You invited them over. You know what kids do since your couch has been damaged before. You should expect to assume all financial responsibilities for your property.

Do you have renters or homeowners insurance? Maybe that might cover it.

Don't you all get me wrong here. If it had happened and my kids were involved I'd be horrified and so embarrassed but until I knew for sure one of kids did it I'd not offer up any money and I for sure woul dnot pay anything that was demanded.

See, I feel exactly the opposite. If i am invited to someone's house and my kids damage something (or it's a tossup as to who's kid did it), I feel responsible and feel the need to remedy the situation. And if someone's kids damaged something in my home, I would hope that that child's parents would feel the same way.

very well said Laurie

If you cannot prove which child did it, there's no way you're going to get reimbursed for the upholstery cleaning. I would love for you to get your money back, but I watch People's Court too much to know what the outcome would be in your situation. :(

I still say no. I think you can at least suggest they pay something. The way you're coming across is that you're going to do what ever you can to force the parents of the "fucking kids" to pay all of the damages. I would not pay you one dime with your attitude even if I saw my kid do it. I understand you have a nice couch but you know from previous experence that kids will mess it up so you should have been helping and encouraging the parents to watch their kids. I still stand by the learning experence, you learn a very valueble lesson.

You wouldn't pay a dime!!!! Sorry but your ass would be sitting in small claims court with me cause guess what right now your attitude is worse than hers!
That is bs like I said it is people like you that make this country so screwy when it comes to kids and responsibility and discipline and such!!
That is BULLSHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, you are going to make the parents of the kid that didn't do it pay?? That seems fair... NOT!!! I think you should live and learn. You should of had it an adult party with no kids, if no one was going to pay attention to them. Seems to me from what I can tell, you don't really like kids and even suggested when we had our little get together here in Fallon that we should all leave our kids home... well it wasn't at your house, so you had no say.

She never said she didn't like kids
BUT people work hard for their stuff. DONT YOU!!??????????

I voted no, I think if you had friends over that had children you should have made sure the children were supervised because it is your things they would mess up! Everytime we have had people over Im supervising over everyone wether there are children here or not because if someone messes up anything of mine I will see it there for I will know who to make fork out money!

NO the parents should have hired a babysitter if they weren't going to watch them!
but you said no on the poll and you just said inyour post that you would make a kid pay if they messed up your stuff.
Sorry but that is assbackwards!

If you cannot prove which child did it, there's no way you're going to get reimbursed for the upholstery cleaning. I would love for you to get your money back, but I watch People's Court too much to know what the outcome would be in your situation. :(

Why wouldn't she?
The judge would ask the kids who did it!

NO the parents should have hired a babysitter if they weren't going to watch them!
but you said no on the poll and you just said inyour post that you would make a kid pay if they messed up your stuff.
Sorry but that is assbackwards!

Yea I would make them pay if I knew who it was, not if there were 4 or 5 kids and one of them did it and I couldnt prove it.

I guess I'm not seeing your point. I understand that it's not fair to make them pay because we don't know what kid did it, but it wouldn't have happened if the parents had checked on their kid every now and then. And it's not fair to me to have deal with it because the parents were too busy to worry about what their kids were doing.

I really do understand both sides. Like I said earlier, I wouldn't want my couches messed up either. What I'm trying to say is that you were offering up the entertainment, which was preventing the adults from watching their kids the entire time. So, I don't see how you can place blame on them. Even if they were checking on them now and then, it still would have happened. It only takes a few seconds for a kid to scribble with a pen.

Let us know what your warranty company says. Hopefully this all will be an easy fix.

BUT people work hard for their stuff. DONT YOU!!??????????

Yeah, but I have 3 boys and know that my furny isn't going to stay perfect. Hell, I got nail polish on my loveseat cause my middle son poured it on there when he was 2. Things happen. You need to exoect that when kids are in the house, and if you aren't used to having kids in the house, then have the get together somewhere else or don't invite them.

ok but the point is there were 3 KIDS and who says all 3 of them didn't do it?
I mean seriously even if 1 of them started it and laid the pen down if another one saw them do it it they would do it too etc...
That shit would not fly with me

Yeah, but I have 3 boys and know that my furny isn't going to stay perfect. Hell, I got nail polish on my loveseat cause my middle son poured it on there when he was 2. Things happen. You need to exoect that when kids are in the house, and if you aren't used to having kids in the house, then have the get together somewhere else or don't invite them.

I have 3 kids and they know better than to damage our furniture! so no you don't Expect that kind of stuff! You raise your kids not to do that shit and they don't do it. Especially since she said everything was put up which means they were snooping!

I didn't ask for people to jump my shit with a fucking question. I'm so sorry that I didn't pay attention to someone else's kid when the parent was here too. That's a parent's job, not mine. I'm so sorry that I don't have cameras placed all over my fucking house so that I know who does something when something like this happens and I'm not watching. I'm so sorry that my house isn't completely child-proofed because I don't have any kids. To the people that said no, they wouldn't make them pay, can you honestly say you wouldn't be pissed if you were in my position and you wouldn't feel like I do?? What you say you would do and what you would actually do if you were in the situation are 2 different things. You don't know what you would do until you're in that position. So don't jump my shit because I think the parents should have to pay because they were being irresponsible.

I'll say it again, it doesn't matter what kid did it. They were all there and either took part or watched it happen. It's guilty by association and I know my mom would have held herself and me responsible even if I hadn't done it. Do I need to repeat the ketchup story?

It's just sad that people want to teach their kids not to be accountable, but I guess that is what happens when the parents can't hold themselves accountable. And it's really not that hard to check on your children every 5-10 minutes when over at someone's house. I've done it, I'm rather sure any other parent could do it. To say that the hostess should be making sure the parents checked in on their kids is such utter shit it makes my head hurt.

To know that people have such disrespect for someone else's house and things is just disappointing.

I didn't ask for people to jump my shit with a fucking question. I'm so sorry that I didn't pay attention to someone else's kid when the parent was here too. That's a parent's job, not mine. I'm so sorry that I don't have cameras placed all over my fucking house so that I know who does something when something like this happens and I'm not watching. I'm so sorry that my house isn't completely child-proofed because I don't have any kids. To the people that said no, they wouldn't make them pay, can you honestly say you wouldn't be pissed if you were in my position and you wouldn't feel like I do?? What you say you would do and what you would actually do if you were in the situation are 2 different things. You don't know what you would do until you're in that position. So don't jump my shit because I think the parents should have to pay because they were being irresponsible.

You kinda did, you reposted asking people opinions knowing how people responded to your last post!

Your kids must be perfect. Congrats.

Why wouldn't she?
The judge would ask the kids who did it!

If the child/children confessed, then yes. But if the judge or whomever cannot prove which child did the damage, then you cannot force one to pay up...

You kinda did, you reposted asking people opinions knowing how people responded to your last post!

Giving opinions and jumping down my shit are 2 different things.

I didn't ask for people to jump my shit with a fucking question. I'm so sorry that I didn't pay attention to someone else's kid when the parent was here too. That's a parent's job, not mine. I'm so sorry that I don't have cameras placed all over my fucking house so that I know who does something when something like this happens and I'm not watching. I'm so sorry that my house isn't completely child-proofed because I don't have any kids. To the people that said no, they wouldn't make them pay, can you honestly say you wouldn't be pissed if you were in my position and you wouldn't feel like I do?? What you say you would do and what you would actually do if you were in the situation are 2 different things. You don't know what you would do until you're in that position. So don't jump my shit because I think the parents should have to pay because they were being irresponsible.
I'm not jumping you shit. I'm being completely civil. You asked why or why not and I'm explaining LEGALLY why NOT.

Giving opinions and jumping down my shit are 2 different things.

In all honesty Jennie, with all the problems you have had with people ruining your personal things, I wouldnt let anyone at my house anymore!! Im not trying to be rude but seriously.

If my kids did it, I would have no problem paying. But if they didn't do it, no I wouldn't pay.

I'll say it again, it doesn't matter what kid did it. They were all there and either took part or watched it happen. It's guilty by association and I know my mom would have held herself and me responsible even if I hadn't done it. Do I need to repeat the ketchup story?

It's just sad that people want to teach their kids not to be accountable, but I guess that is what happens when the parents can't hold themselves accountable. And it's really not that hard to check on your children every 5-10 minutes when over at someone's house. I've done it, I'm rather sure any other parent could do it. To say that the hostess should be making sure the parents checked in on their kids is such utter shit it makes my head hurt.

To know that people have such disrespect for someone else's house and things is just disappointing.

very well said Kara

As a parent, if I knew for a fact that my kid was the one to damage your couch, then of course I'd payfor the damages. :)

Your kids must be perfect. Congrats.

Who me?
No my kids are not perfect but they sure as hell know that there are conseqences for thier actions!!

If the child/children confessed, then yes. But if the judge or whomever cannot prove which child did the damage, then you cannot force one to pay up...

so all 3 kids will go in front of a judge and lie?
Boy they have some great parents if they do that :rolleyes

I'm not pointing fingers when I say people are jumping my shit, so don't reply saying you're not. This whole experience has made me realize who my friends really are and who I can really trust.

I'm not pointing fingers when I say people are jumping my shit, so don't reply saying you're not. This whole experience has made me realize who my friends really are and who I can really trust.

Been alot of that going on today Huh?

To the people that said no, they wouldn't make them pay, can you honestly say you wouldn't be pissed if you were in my position and you wouldn't feel like I do??


No, I wouldn't feel like you do. I would not expect all the other parents to pay for it. Why - because its not fair to blame everyone. That's just how I feel about it.

If I knew for a fact that my son had done it, he would have his butt down there helping to clean the couches. Just because some of us said No, doesn't mean our children aren't disciplined. My son knows better than to do something like that. And I can guarantee you that if it had been me at your house, we would have found out who had done it before the end of the night.

so all 3 kids will go in front of a judge and lie?
Boy they have some great parents if they do that :rolleyes

I have great parents who taught us not to lie, but my sister still does it, she also steals and does drugs!! Just because a parenttrys to raise a child the way they should be raised, doesnt meant they actually do what they are supposed to!

so all 3 kids will go in front of a judge and lie?
Boy they have some great parents if they do that :rolleyes

I've seen Judge Millian asking kids questions ALL THE TIME!!!

I'll say it again, it doesn't matter what kid did it. They were all there and either took part or watched it happen. It's guilty by association and I know my mom would have held herself and me responsible even if I hadn't done it. Do I need to repeat the ketchup story?

It's just sad that people want to teach their kids not to be accountable, but I guess that is what happens when the parents can't hold themselves accountable. And it's really not that hard to check on your children every 5-10 minutes when over at someone's house. I've done it, I'm rather sure any other parent could do it. To say that the hostess should be making sure the parents checked in on their kids is such utter shit it makes my head hurt.

To know that people have such disrespect for someone else's house and things is just disappointing.

Very well said. The kids are 2, 4, 6. of course they're gonna lie to save their own asses from getting in trouble. They're gonna blame it on someone else so they don't get in trouble.

I'm not pointing fingers when I say people are jumping my shit, so don't reply saying you're not. This whole experience has made me realize who my friends really are and who I can really trust.

True friends don't always have to see eye to eye.

Who me?
No my kids are not perfect but they sure as hell know that there are conseqences for thier actions!!

You have a trust with your child right?? You believe your child if they said no they did not do it?? Then how would you feel if the next thing you know you are given a $150 bill for fixing a couch you know they did not mess up??

True friends don't always have to see eye to eye.

I'm not saying friends have to see eye to eye, but a friend doesn't make you feel like a piece of shit, and that's exactly how I'm feeling right now.

Very well said. The kids are 2, 4, 6. of course they're gonna lie to save their own asses from getting in trouble. They're gonna blame it on someone else so they don't get in trouble.

My son is 5 years old, and he wouldn't have gotten away with lying about it. If my son had done it, I would have paid you for it as well. But, when you don't have proof, its hard to throw stones. And who's jumping your shit? I just have a difference of opinion about it. I don't think any less of you or anything else.

You have a trust with your child right?? You believe your child if they said no they did not do it?? Then how would you feel if the next thing you know you are given a $150 bill for fixing a couch you know they did not mess up??

If I knew which kid did it, then I wouldn't be in this situation and this debate wouldn't be happening. We're never gonna know which kid did it.

Sorry you're feeling that way. :( I was just explaining what I see all the time on People's Court.
i.e. 1 child threw a ball and his someone's car and dented it. No adults were around and so on...

I have great parents who taught us not to lie, but my sister still does it, she also steals and does drugs!! Just because a parenttrys to raise a child the way they should be raised, doesnt meant they actually do what they are supposed to!

maybe but as long as they live under my roof they will!

I've seen Judge Millian asking kids questions ALL THE TIME!!!

My point exactly and the judge will say and do not lie to me etc...
hell Judge Judy would scare them bad enough I am sure the confession would come out quickly!! :teehee

If I knew which kid did it, then I wouldn't be in this situation and this debate wouldn't be happening. We're never gonna know which kid did it.

Well, if your not gonna know which kid did it then drop it!!! I see no reason for this whole "%$# storm" :shitfan It kinda feels like we are :deadhorse

Well, if your not gonna know which kid did it then drop it!!! I see no reason for this whole "%$# storm" :shitfan It kinda feels like we are :deadhorse

We totally are! :banghead

Well, if your not gonna know which kid did it then drop it!!! I see no reason for this whole "%$# storm" :shitfan It kinda feels like we are :deadhorse

It's hard for me to just drop it when my couches are all fucked up until further notice. If you feel like we're beating a dead horse, then stop reading.

You have a trust with your child right?? You believe your child if they said no they did not do it?? Then how would you feel if the next thing you know you are given a $150 bill for fixing a couch you know they did not mess up??

MY kids can't lie to me like I said I would know if they tried! I can read my kids like a book.
and at that age the parents should be able to too.
So yeah I would be pissed if for some reason my kids were to figure out how to lie and then I got a bill but like Kara said they are all guilty cause obviously if they didn't do it they saw it and didn't tell anyone so that is just as guilty!

It's hard for me to just drop it when my couches are all fucked up until further notice.

Well stop letting the same people over that have ruined stuff in the past! I know they are your friends, but friends wouldnt let thier children ruin your things over and over and over again! KWIM?

Well, if your not gonna know which kid did it then drop it!!! I see no reason for this whole "%$# storm" :shitfan It kinda feels like we are :deadhorse

if you feel that way you just came into this why did you read it?
I mean seriously you know what it was about noone made you read it

Okay, I have a remedy. Lets just cut off all their heads and be done with it. Maybe that will get the couch fixed.

Okay, I have a remedy. Lets just cut off all their heads and be done with it. Maybe that will get the couch fixed.

that was fucking uncalled for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well stop letting the same people over that have ruined stuff in the past! I know they are your friends, but friends wouldnt let thier children ruin your things over and over and over again! KWIM?

These kids have never ruined anything until Thursday night with the couch incident. Sure they've gotten stuff on it and it was an easy fix. The one kid that spilled tea all over it and then the mother let it sit there and it took forever to get out, they are no longer welcome in my house.

that was fucking uncalled for!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:talking :talking

Okay, I have a remedy. Lets just cut off all their heads and be done with it. Maybe that will get the couch fixed.

That was seriously uncalled for.

Winner of the most mature comment and comeback goes to Hawkeye I guess. I think if you can't add anything to this thread don't read it.

If you don't agree that's fine but giving a good solid reason as to why you don't agree is better than some smart ass remark.

I still say it doesn't matter which kid did it. They need to all be held accountable and if the ones who didn't do it don't want to get in trouble they will say who did do it.

:talking :talking

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU???
Good thing I don't live near you cause I will tell you right now I don't put up with your kinds of shit!

Winner of the most mature comment and comeback goes to Hawkeye I guess. I think if you can't add anything to this thread don't read it.

If you don't agree that's fine but giving a good solid reason as to why you don't agree is better than some smart ass remark.

I still say it doesn't matter which kid did it. They need to all be held accountable and if the ones who didn't do it don't want to get in trouble they will say who did do it.

OH OH KARA
It must be her "fucking kids" :roflmao
That is why she has the smart ass comments:duh

WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU???
Good thing I don't live near you cause I will tell you right now I don't put up with your kinds of shit!

Just goes to show that some people think they're better than everyone else.

Just goes to show that some people think they're better than everyone else.

Haha apparently she doesn't know how to pick and choose her battles:no

Just goes to show that some people think they're better than everyone else.

unfortunately for you she lives right there near you.
God help you!
Let me rephrase THEY live right near you!!

unfortunately for you she lives right there near you.
God help you!

And she offered me a brownie when stupid DH took my last piece of chocolate when I was PMSin. Just shows that people can change as often as they change their underwear!

And she offered me a brownie when stupid DH took my last piece of chocolate when I was PMSin. Just shows that people can change as often as they change their underwear!

sounds like it!
there are some sad sad excuses for human beings in this world

sounds like it!
there are some sad sad excuses for human beings in this world

Ain't that the damn truth!!

:giggle

This is what I told Kara...

Motherly intuition should kick in. I really think you would KNOW if your kid did something like that. I think you would just KNOW.

I haven't read the whole thing, I'm gonna say I voted YES, get what money you can for the damages. I know if my kid/cat/husband/mother/sister did something like that, I'd feel awful and would want to fix whatever the damage was.

This is what I told Kara...

Motherly intuition should kick in. I really think you would KNOW if your kid did something like that. I think you would just KNOW.

I haven't read the whole thing, I'm gonna say I voted YES, get what money you can for the damages. I know if my kid/cat/husband/mother/sister did something like that, I'd feel awful and would want to fix whatever the damage was.

thank you Britt
to me that is common courtesy KWIM

thank you Britt
to me that is common courtesy KWIM

And we have another one! :yahoo Now I'm getting excited when someone agrees, how sad is that??:lol

This is what I told Kara...

Motherly intuition should kick in. I really think you would KNOW if your kid did something like that. I think you would just KNOW.

I haven't read the whole thing, I'm gonna say I voted YES, get what money you can for the damages. I know if my kid/cat/husband/mother/sister did something like that, I'd feel awful and would want to fix whatever the damage was.

I think you should know when your kid is lying to you too. Hell, I couldn't lie to my parents at all because I knew it was wrong and I would just start laughing. I think even thinking that my kid or whatever could have done it, I would feel bad and try to help.

pretty sad :teehee

pretty sad :teehee

I know, but it's just been one of those days, KWIM??

Oh trust me I know :D

Okay, I have a remedy. Lets just cut off all their heads and be done with it. Maybe that will get the couch fixed.

Well no, but we could at least lock them in a cage or something. :dunno





















:rolleyes :no

Well no, but we could at least lock them in a cage or something. :dunno
















:rolleyes :no

:lmao Hey we actually have a dog caged that the kids thought it was a game to lock each other up in it. :lol

A "real" friend would offer to have it replaced or cleaned. I know our friends well enough to know that they would have all pitched in to get the problem taken care of. If one of our children were involved in a situation such as yours I would automatically offer to help pay for the cost of cleaning or replacing it. Then again I don't try to make excuses or cover anything up for our children.

A "real" friend would offer to have it replaced or cleaned. I know our friends well enough to know that they would have all pitched in to get the problem taken care of. If one of our children were involved in a situation such as yours I would automatically offer to help pay for the cost of cleaning or replacing it. Then again I don't try to make excuses or cover anything up for our children.

apparently we are in the minority here lol
what a few others agree but most wouldn't pay:dunno

I'm moving this to debates. The OP even said "with the current debate" I figure opinions were asked for. Lets try and keep it semi decent tho if possible. People may not like others opinions but lets not resort to name calling if possible. Thanks mucho! ;)

i am going to say no.....

i have kids, i know what they are capable of.... if i dont want someone else's kids destroying my stuff, then kid's arent part of the invitation.

Did I ever say that I put the movie in just so the adults interact without the kids around? Yeah, I'm not thinkin so. The kids asked to put a movie in, so I told them to pick a movie out and I would put it in, which I've always done for them. I never once said to the adults "hey come hang out with us and not worry about your kids" I don't see how a person can not pay attention to their kid, regardless of what they're doing. Just because you're hanging out with other adults doesn't mean that you can't make sure your kid isn't doing something their not supposed to.

I didn't read past this point, and I don't really have an opinion on whether or not to make the parents pay, but I do have something about this to say. More often than not, if kids are sitting in a room watching a movie, parents tend to leave them be, at least ones that I know. Sure, you check in on them every so often, but it takes VERY little time for a kid to write on a couch. However, in order to do that, you need to know the personality of your child to know whether or not they can be left alone watching a movie without misbehaving. In general though, from my experiences, when kids are sitting down and watching a movie, they get checked on every so often, but aren't monitored as much as if they were running around playing with other stuff.

I said other...yes, I think you should get something form the person/people responsible...but to ask for it from everyone without knowing who the culprit is I have to say no
Who would I question on who did it....the 2 and 4 year old....you can almost bet that the 6 year old probably was not paying them no mind...especially if a movie was in. Common sense tells you that the 2 and 4 year old have very little attention spans....I can slmost guarantee that they got bored with the movie. Having a 2yo in my house right now...well, once they get bored they get curious and will go check things out, see what they can find to mess around with(this is not snooping btw)...I know my 2yo does. You won't get anywhere by demanding $$ from people who are supposedly your friends, you really need to take them aside and discuss this with them if you haven't already.
FYI...this could still possible had happened even of the parents got up every now and again and checked on their kiddos...2 yo especially are rather tricky and very fast...it only takes a few seconds to get into trouble...oh, and good luck gettinga 2yo to fess up...been my experience that they are the ones to most likely forget...especially after it's been this long.
There's my opinion....good luck with whatever you decide

Like someone said, A REAL friend would help to pay if the culprit were unknown and it was probable that their child were responsible.

As someone else keeps quoting about legality. Yeah sure, that is all fine and dandy, but whatever happened to MORALITY in this fucking world? People teach children not to do what could get them in trouble legally, but whatever fucking happened to not doing the wrong thing because IT'S THE WRONG THING TO DO, not because it could get you fined or in jail?

I can't believe the parents haven't offered to help clean it or cover the costs for cleaning already! :no

Oh yeah...and after reading all this...I would like to add that I was babsitting twins last year, and the boy and I were playing around and somehow grabbed my necklace DH had gotten me for Christmas, and it broke. When the parents got home, the mom asked how everything went, and I kinda mentioned the necklace breaking and she was HORRIFIED! She immediately told me to go buy another one and they would pay me back. Even though I was watching the kids, and he wasn't misbehaving, we were just playing, the parents still took responsibility for it and paid for a replacement. I guess when stuff like this happens, it really depends on the kind of people you are dealing with as to whether or not the right thing happens. If there's no way to prove who did it, maybe you should just go to all of the parents and say something like "It seems like the kids did a bit of damage to the couch the other night...I need to get it cleaned, and with the kind of couch we have it's pretty pricey so I was wondering if you guys would help pitch in some." We have a microfiber couch and I know for ours, it's dry clean only which gets VERY expensive.

Im pretty darn sure any of you would flip your lid if some one demanded $150 from you for something you or kid may not have done.

For example: Your neighbor notices all her flowers have been trampled. You, your friend and your neighbor had been standing near her flowers chatting earlier. she says that since her flowers are ruined and you were near them you now owe her $150 to replace the flowers. She also gets a hold of your friend and tells her the same thing. You didn't ruin her flowers, you're not sure who did. They are her flowers not yours. Why in the world would you give her $150 for something you didn't do?

Im pretty darn sure any of you would flip your lid if some one demanded $150 from you for something you or kid may not have done.

For example: Your neighbor notices all her flowers have been trampled. You, your friend and your neighbor had been standing near her flowers chatting earlier. she says that since her flowers are ruined and you were near them you now owe her $150 to replace the flowers. She also gets a hold of your friend and tells her the same thing. You didn't ruin her flowers, you're not sure who did. They are her flowers not yours. Why in the world would you give her $150 for something you didn't do?

I would say that is a TAD bit different seeing as how the amount of people with access to flowers OUTSIDE, is a lot different to the amount of people that have access to someone's couch inside their house.

Oh yeah...and after reading all this...I would like to add that I was babsitting twins last year, and the boy and I were playing around and somehow grabbed my necklace DH had gotten me for Christmas, and it broke. When the parents got home, the mom asked how everything went, and I kinda mentioned the necklace breaking and she was HORRIFIED! She immediately told me to go buy another one and they would pay me back. Even though I was watching the kids, and he wasn't misbehaving, we were just playing, the parents still took responsibility for it and paid for a replacement. I guess when stuff like this happens, it really depends on the kind of people you are dealing with as to whether or not the right thing happens. If there's no way to prove who did it, maybe you should just go to all of the parents and say something like "It seems like the kids did a bit of damage to the couch the other night...I need to get it cleaned, and with the kind of couch we have it's pretty pricey so I was wondering if you guys would help pitch in some." We have a microfiber couch and I know for ours, it's dry clean only which gets VERY expensive.


See thats nice. giving the parents the option to assume their kid did it. If I was nicely asked in this fashion then I may be more willing to help out. I sure don't have $150 to give you and I sure wouldn't do it if it were demanded of me.

I would say that is a TAD bit different seeing as how the amount of people with access to flowers OUTSIDE, is a lot different to the amount of people that have access to someone's couch inside their house.

true but I was making a point.

I've actually been through a similar situation, only it was my child who did the drawing :giggle

As most of you know, we routinely get together with outher couples to play poker. Sometimes it's at our house, sometimes it's at our friends' houses, one of our good friends, in particular. Well, he does have kids but they are all much older now (10+ yo) so his house is not totally baby proofed (though we do put up gates when we go over there). By inviting us both over to play poker, he knew we'd be busy with the game and sort of letting the kids fend for themselves to an extent (there were many kids there and they were all playing, watching tv, running around the house, etc). Well, we were playing the game in the livingroom and someone took down the baby gate to the dining room so they could walk through to get to the bathroom. In less than 5 minutes of having that gate down, Jaxon had found a permanent marker from only who knows where :nutts and drawn a scribbly line ALLLLLL the way around the entire dining area that had JUSt been painted the week before. :worried

Of course we knew who did it because I caught him with the marker as he was finishing his art work. I did take my eyes off of him and that was my fault but I wasn't going to keep him pinned in my lap through the entire get together either. The kids were all playing together while the adults were playing cards in the next room of the house (its all an open area so it's not like they were being totally left unattended). Our friends and I felt like it was a shared responsibility. I should have been watching closer and they should have known not to leave a permanent marker within a 2 year old's reach. And of course Jaxon was not even 3 yet so he didn't know better. Kids will be kids and most kids do that kind of stuff at some point.

When I have people over with young kids, I check, double check and triple check the entire house for things like that... pens, things little ones could choke on, breakable items, etc, etc. I do my best to make this house a place where little ones can have fun and do their own thing without worrying about them getting into any trouble. That takes the stress off of me having to worry about things and it also makes the time more enjoyable for the people I invite over who have little kids. Then they don't have to constantly worry or feel like they have to spend the entire time hovering over their child.

I'd say it's probably a shared responsibility. If you know which child did it, I think the parent should offer to pay 1/2. I can totally understand how pissed you are about it and I think this will be a definite learning experience. Now you probably understand why I'm a crazy person when it comes to keeping things out of reach. I have three kids under 4 years old so I know how quick and sneaky they can be :nutts If you don't know whose kid did it, it's really hard to say who should pay. I wouldn't want to pay for something that I wasn't sure was my child's fault. But then again, I don't think you should have to eat the whole cost either. As a parent who has been through things like that, I would probably offer to split some of the cost even if I didn't know it was Jaxon. I'd expect the other parents to chip in a little also. Tough call though :dunno

Like someone said, A REAL friend would help to pay if the culprit were unknown and it was probable that their child were responsible.



exactly. If it were anyone from our circle of friends, we'd all split up the cost. Even if we didn't know exactly who did it, we wouldn't want any of our friends to be put in a position to cover the whole cost alone. So, I'm sure we'd all just divy it up between all of us.

I agree with the shared respondsiblity claim. However, if you know it won't be covered by the insurance I would totally try to remove the stains myself. Other ladies have had numerous cleaning tips. I would just try to get it off myself before i started to demand money from a friend. And yes it is true a real friend would have acknowledged it and offered to help in some way. Kids are kids and no matter how close you watch them something is bound to happen in the blink of an eye. I know b/c i have one of those kids that are in to eveyrthing. No matter how much i baby proof or watch her like a hawk. Hope the stains come out for you though! Good luck!

Wow! I haven't even had coffee yet and a debate of morality vs. legality drops right in my lap!

If this is taken to small claims court, the judge will rule in favor of the defendant every time. Quite simply, a guilty party cannot be identified with the evidence that's been presented. Three GUESTS BY INVITATION, all under the age of 6, left relatively unattended in a non-child proofed house room. Negligence cannot be argued primarily for the same reasons stated above: No proof of the culprit. From a legal stand point, there is no case against the parents here.

Morally, the parents who apparently haven't offered to help cover the costs, should have offered to. That is, if they have been informed of this incident.

Legally, there is no case due to lack of a guilty party. Morally, these are some insensitive parents who are not claiming responsibility for the actions of their children. It's a pickle to be in, for sure, and one that the couch owner is going to have to decide on what to do.

So, what should you do? That's even MORE tricky. If you take it to court, you'll lose. If you pull the morality card, you *may* get something back, but would probably lose a friend or two in the process. Here's what you do:
1. Get an estimate of the repair.
2. Call both parents and explain the case, but place no blame on either. Just say it was an unfortunate accident, and that the cost is coming out of your pocket.
3. Inform the parents that, since this is the X-mas season, your funds are slim and you can't afford to get the repair done. Tell them that you are asking for ANY help they can offer. (15 dollars is better than nothing)
4. Get the repair done, even if you have to eat the entire cost.
5. Inform your "friends" that they will have to baby-proof the house before you'll allow kids back over.

Wow! I haven't even had coffee yet and a debate of morality vs. legality drops right in my lap!

If this is taken to small claims court, the judge will rule in favor of the defendant every time. Quite simply, a guilty party cannot be identified with the evidence that's been presented. Three GUESTS BY INVITATION, all under the age of 6, left relatively unattended in a non-child proofed house room. Negligence cannot be argued primarily for the same reasons stated above: No proof of the culprit. From a legal stand point, there is no case against the parents here.

Morally, the parents who apparently haven't offered to help cover the costs, should have offered to. That is, if they have been informed of this incident.

Legally, there is no case due to lack of a guilty party. Morally, these are some insensitive parents who are not claiming responsibility for the actions of their children. It's a pickle to be in, for sure, and one that the couch owner is going to have to decide on what to do.

So, what should you do? That's even MORE tricky. If you take it to court, you'll lose. If you pull the morality card, you *may* get something back, but would probably lose a friend or two in the process. Here's what you do:
1. Get an estimate of the repair.
2. Call both parents and explain the case, but place no blame on either. Just say it was an unfortunate accident, and that the cost is coming out of your pocket.
3. Inform the parents that, since this is the X-mas season, your funds are slim and you can't afford to get the repair done. Tell them that you are asking for ANY help they can offer. (15 dollars is better than nothing)
4. Get the repair done, even if you have to eat the entire cost.
5. Inform your "friends" that they will have to baby-proof the house before you'll allow kids back over.

right on! :yes :thumbsup

Wow! I haven't even had coffee yet and a debate of morality vs. legality drops right in my lap!

If this is taken to small claims court, the judge will rule in favor of the defendant every time. Quite simply, a guilty party cannot be identified with the evidence that's been presented. Three GUESTS BY INVITATION, all under the age of 6, left relatively unattended in a non-child proofed house room. Negligence cannot be argued primarily for the same reasons stated above: No proof of the culprit. From a legal stand point, there is no case against the parents here.

Morally, the parents who apparently haven't offered to help cover the costs, should have offered to. That is, if they have been informed of this incident.

Legally, there is no case due to lack of a guilty party. Morally, these are some insensitive parents who are not claiming responsibility for the actions of their children. It's a pickle to be in, for sure, and one that the couch owner is going to have to decide on what to do.

So, what should you do? That's even MORE tricky. If you take it to court, you'll lose. If you pull the morality card, you *may* get something back, but would probably lose a friend or two in the process. Here's what you do:
1. Get an estimate of the repair.
2. Call both parents and explain the case, but place no blame on either. Just say it was an unfortunate accident, and that the cost is coming out of your pocket.
3. Inform the parents that, since this is the X-mas season, your funds are slim and you can't afford to get the repair done. Tell them that you are asking for ANY help they can offer. (15 dollars is better than nothing)
4. Get the repair done, even if you have to eat the entire cost.
5. Inform your "friends" that they will have to baby-proof the house before you'll allow kids back over.


exactly. Its your house and your couch so its your responsibility in the end. I hope things do work out and you are able to get it cleaned/have it cleaned and the parents are understanding and offer to help out.

So, what should you do? That's even MORE tricky. If you take it to court, you'll lose. If you pull the morality card, you *may* get something back, but would probably lose a friend or two in the process. Here's what you do:
1. Get an estimate of the repair.
2. Call both parents and explain the case, but place no blame on either. Just say it was an unfortunate accident, and that the cost is coming out of your pocket.
3. Inform the parents that, since this is the X-mas season, your funds are slim and you can't afford to get the repair done. Tell them that you are asking for ANY help they can offer. (15 dollars is better than nothing)
4. Get the repair done, even if you have to eat the entire cost.
5. Inform your "friends" that they will have to baby-proof the house before you'll allow kids back over.

Exactly!!! Thanks for posting that!! :thumbsup

First off, I would like to thank everyone who has been nice through this whole ordeal. I also want to apologize to the people that I got bitchy with. Second of all, I want to make something clear to everyone..I have not "demanded" money from anyone. I have been rather pissed since this happened on Thursday and my words are getting the best of me. I'm not doing anything with the couches as of yet until after I talk to warranty tomorrow. If warranty refuses to cover it, I'm going to try to clean it myself with the other suggestions many people have posted. If it does not come clean after cleaning it myself, then I am going to result into the money issue. So please don't think that all I want is the money, because that is not true. I'm just so tired of people coming into my house and things getting messed up. It's like they don't care about our house enough to make sure things like this don't happen. Since I have babysat most of my friends kids, apparently the think as soon as they walk in my house, that I'm babysitter and they can do whatever they please and leave me to deal with the kids. I emailed one of the mothers (she wasn't here when it happened, she was at home with their 1 year old) and I didn't know if her husband had told her so I told her what happened and asked if she saw ink on her child. All she replied back was "I didn't see any ink on her" which makes me believe that they really don't care. I don't remember getting any "I'm sorry"'s from the parents, I don't even remember the parents talking to the kids. There was one person that talked to the kids and tried to clean it up, and he's not even one of the kids' parent. I think that's what pissed me off more than the couches itself. I'm just hoping that warranty will take care of this and I won't have to worry about this anymore.

So, what should you do? That's even MORE tricky. If you take it to court, you'll lose. If you pull the morality card, you *may* get something back, but would probably lose a friend or two in the process. Here's what you do:
1. Get an estimate of the repair.
2. Call both parents and explain the case, but place no blame on either. Just say it was an unfortunate accident, and that the cost is coming out of your pocket.
3. Inform the parents that, since this is the X-mas season, your funds are slim and you can't afford to get the repair done. Tell them that you are asking for ANY help they can offer. (15 dollars is better than nothing)
4. Get the repair done, even if you have to eat the entire cost.
5. Inform your "friends" that they will have to baby-proof the house before you'll allow kids back over.

Thank you for posting this. I'm not gonna lie, it would be nice to get the entire cost from them, but I don't think that's going to happen. But something is better than nothing.

First off, I would like to thank everyone who has been nice through this whole ordeal. I also want to apologize to the people that I got bitchy with. Second of all, I want to make something clear to everyone..I have not "demanded" money from anyone. I have been rather pissed since this happened on Thursday and my words are getting the best of me. I'm not doing anything with the couches as of yet until after I talk to warranty tomorrow. If warranty refuses to cover it, I'm going to try to clean it myself with the other suggestions many people have posted. If it does not come clean after cleaning it myself, then I am going to result into the money issue. So please don't think that all I want is the money, because that is not true. I'm just so tired of people coming into my house and things getting messed up. It's like they don't care about our house enough to make sure things like this don't happen. Since I have babysat most of my friends kids, apparently the think as soon as they walk in my house, that I'm babysitter and they can do whatever they please and leave me to deal with the kids. I emailed one of the mothers (she wasn't here when it happened, she was at home with their 1 year old) and I didn't know if her husband had told her so I told her what happened and asked if she saw ink on her child. All she replied back was "I didn't see any ink on her" which makes me believe that they really don't care. I don't remember getting any "I'm sorry"'s from the parents, I don't even remember the parents talking to the kids. There was one person that talked to the kids and tried to clean it up, and he's not even one of the kids' parent. I think that's what pissed me off more than the couches itself. I'm just hoping that warranty will take care of this and I won't have to worry about this anymore.

That sucks - I definitely wouldn't be inviting them over again!

That sucks - I definitely wouldn't be inviting them over again!

Yeah, I don't think I will. They can call me a bitch if they want, but I'm just tired of dealing with one thing after another. I talked to DH about cancelling our New Year's party, or having it somewhere else. Alotta the people we invited have kids, and some parents won't be watching their kids because they'll be drinking and having a good time, and I'm not going to risk it. He said he wants to think about because he's playing Xbox, and I should have known better to talk to him while playing Xbox. :teehee

I really do hope everything works out and you can get it cleaned up. I totally understand you have something nice and you'd like it to stay nice. My thinking was just how unreasonable it was to expect that much money from parents whos children may or may not have done the damage. I can't believe not a single one of them told you they were sorry or even offered to try to clean it for you. Thats awful.

Well I still stand behind my opinion and I know that i will certainly rethink before having people into my home again. With morals like some of these when people are supposed to be your friends hell who needs enemies.

As for the snooping comment Judy that was the only word I could come up with.

I am just glad I don't let too many people close to me :D

Well I still stand behind my opinion and I know that i will certainly rethink before having people into my home again. With morals like some of these when people are supposed to be your friends hell who needs enemies.

As for the snooping comment Judy that was the only word I could come up with.

I am just glad I don't let too many people close to me :D

I stand by my opinion also saying that the parents are responsibile for their kid's actions and I should get every penny of the cost to fix it, regardless of which kid actually did it. But in reality, I don't think my opinion is going to matter and I honestly don't think they are going to help.

Like someone said, A REAL friend would help to pay if the culprit were unknown and it was probable that their child were responsible.

As someone else keeps quoting about legality. Yeah sure, that is all fine and dandy, but whatever happened to MORALITY in this fucking world? People teach children not to do what could get them in trouble legally, but whatever fucking happened to not doing the wrong thing because IT'S THE WRONG THING TO DO, not because it could get you fined or in jail?

I totally agree with Laurie and Breezy :yes

I don't have time to go through every response, but I would make the parents pay up. It's sad how parents don't discipline their children anymore. I have seen children run amuck in other people's homes and mine in the past. These are parents who believe that when their child is in someone else's home, that the host is responsible for their kids. That's not the way it works. The parents are just as much to blame as the kids who destroyed your sofa. Apparently they aren't taught to respect other people's belongings. I have taught my children to respect other people and their belongings, and to not destroy furniture! I even teach that to my daycare children as well. By the way those children are acting, it sounds to me that they get away with it at home. Sure, kids will be kids, but there is a fine line, and that doesn't mean when you and your children are invited to someone's home, to destroy it!

I totally agree with Laurie and Breezy :yes

I don't have time to go through every response, but I would make the parents pay up. It's sad how parents don't discipline their children anymore. I have seen children run amuck in other people's homes and mine in the past. These are parents who believe that when their child is in someone else's home, that the host is responsible for their kids. That's not the way it works. The parents are just as much to blame as the kids who destroyed your sofa. Apparently they aren't taught to respect other people's belongings. I have taught my children to respect other people and their belongings, and to not destroy furniture! I even teach that to my daycare children as well. By the way those children are acting, it sounds to me that they get away with it at home. Sure, kids will be kids, but there is a fine line, and that doesn't mean when you and your children are invited to someone's home, to destroy it!

I totally agree :yes

I do think you should from the guilty party! From the parent who has the innocent child, no. Do I think you actually will get the cash being as you don't know who did it, no.