BUSH IS FULL OF SHIT..WHAT THE HELL IS HE THINKING?!!!!!! 21,500 MORE TROOPS WTF?? 2 CARRIERS AT ALL TIME(IN THE GULF!) WHAT THE HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad

i didnt vote for him, and i HATE HIM!!! he sucks and he's a fucking idiot!! so to all you ladies (no offence but i DID vote so i can speak my peace freely) I DID NOT VOTE FOR YOU NOR MY HUSBAND TO GO OVER SEAS!!!! what is it 24 months until bush is out of office! i cant fuckin wiat!

he sucks ass. i cant stand him at all.

he sucks ass. i cant stand him at all.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

i agree. hes such a doofus

I hate him too. I cant wait to see him out of office.

All I heard in that speech was a lot of fluff and making what he wants as convincing as possible. Next year he'll want another 20K guys, because we'll still there, with no change except a higher body count. :gaah :rant

I cried the entire way through that speach and was sick to my stomach. Im just so over this war, and over everything.

HE NEEDS TO GO TO BOOTCAMP..THEN PUT ON A UNIFORM (AFTER HE EARNED IT..I MEAN GET YELLED AT,NOT TALKING TO ANYBODY AND HAVING PEOPLE BASICALLY OWN YOU!) AND THEN WE NEED TO SEND HIM TO IRAQ AND MAKE HIM F'ING FIGHT!!!!!!!!

if he wants all these men and women to go over there... umm here's an idea SEND YOUR 2 FREAKIN DUI DRINKING DAUGHTERS OVER THERE... lets see how much they enjoy what our husbands and boyfriends go threw all the time!!! I HATE HIM HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HIM!!!! ERRRRRR

You ladies need to remember as well that the soldiers and marines and sailors and airmen that are serving our country are serving voluntarily. I don't want to come off as kissing Presidential ass, because I'm not, but he's doing the best he can in the situation he was put in. He's not calling for a draft and he's not dropping A-bombs on the country, but instead he's trying to help the country be strong enough to stabilize itself which in return will help to protect our country in the future because Iraq will be able to stop terrorist organizations before they get strong enough to attack.

I NO!!!!!!! I HATE HIM TOO!!!!!!!!

This has been going on way to long...its time for them to come home! Thats how I feel..Yeah they signed up on there own,but I think they've had ENOUGH!

Yes, they signed up voluntarily, but we have been over there waaaaaaaay too long. I think the troops need to come home. And I agree, Bush and all his family and the idiots that support him need to go through boot camp and stand on the damn front lines and get shot at to understand why people are so frustrated and want this war over with. I think he is just blowing smoke out of his ass. :banghead

what is it 24 months until bush is out of office! i cant fuckin wiat! yeah by then how many more of our SOs will be injured or suffer he is a jerk.

You ladies need to remember as well that the soldiers and marines and sailors and airmen that are serving our country are serving voluntarily. I don't want to come off as kissing Presidential ass, because I'm not, but he's doing the best he can in the situation he was put in. He's not calling for a draft and he's not dropping A-bombs on the country, but instead he's trying to help the country be strong enough to stabilize itself which in return will help to protect our country in the future because Iraq will be able to stop terrorist organizations before they get strong enough to attack.

I agree with you Steph!! Yes our men have been over there way to long, but we cant just up and leave, that will show weakness. We HAVE to finish what was started.

Yes, they signed up voluntarily, but we have been over there waaaaaaaay too long. I think the troops need to come home. And I agree, Bush and all his family and the idiots that support him need to go through boot camp and stand on the damn front lines and get shot at to understand why people are so frustrated and want this war over with. I think he is just blowing smoke out of his ass. :banghead


You know... if that's the way it's gotta be then EVERY AMERICAN on the great soil that we live on has to go through boot camp and has to stand on the front lines, because we don't know as NON-active duty military that has been on the front lines what it's like. We can't imagine... and honestly I don't want to know. But to say that the Commander in Chief has to go and pick up a rifle and fight in a war than more than a few good men and women are willing to go fight is rediculous in my honest opinion. He's got a job to do and so do those who are on their feet in the sand with all the crap that's going on. Tell them they have to leave. The ones that want to be there have fought with all they have and all they are and want to finish it. They take pride in finishing a job they started and don't want to turn yellow and run away!!!

I am more than SURE that if you ask any troop...they rather be home with thier LOVED ones than finishing something..that in MY opinion wont ever be finished!! They have been over there to long! And yes I think Bush should be over there..I dont care if you say ever damn person on this earth needs to be over there...WE ARENT THE ONES SAYING 21,500 MORE TROOPS SHOULD BE OVER THERE FIGHTING FOR NO REASON..NOTHING HAS BEEN SOLVED FOR 4 YEARS!!

We are doing what we gotta do. It is scary but that's what our men and women are trained to do. I agree, we have to finish what has been started.

Most of them would love to be home but they know they are there cause they have a job to get done and that's what they sign up for, most of them have pride on what they are doing and I'm sure most of them would rather see it finish than feeling that they didn't do their goal.

I just think that nothing is going to be "finished"...and its a waste of LIVES and TIME!

I am more than SURE that if you ask any troop...they rather be home with thier LOVED ones than finishing something..that in MY opinion wont ever be finished!! They have been over there to long! And yes I think Bush should be over there..I dont care if you say ever damn person on this earth needs to be over there...WE ARENT THE ONES SAYING 21,500 MORE TROOPS SHOULD BE OVER THERE FIGHTING FOR NO REASON..NOTHING HAS BEEN SOLVED FOR 4 YEARS!!


Saying nothing has been accomplished in 4 years is wrong. Just plain wrong... Talk to the people in Iraq. I believe you will hear just how much has been done in 4 years. The reason we don't hear about it like it was stated in the other thread... 1)they are still afraid because there are still followers of Saddam there 2)the media doesn't give a rats ass about the GOOD of the war, they just want the ratings. Try looking in other places. Don't assume that everyone would just want to come home at the drop of a hat... sure they'd RATHER be home with their families but they know full and well that they NEED to finish their job. They don't want to abandon it. Many of them have made friends with Iraqis and work very closely with Iraqis everyday. Abandoning them is not the answer... NOT AT ALL!!!! Not good for us and certainly not good for them!

thats not true. i know plenty of soldiers who want to go back. they go back voluntarily because they believe in what they do. they all have family.if people dont want to go to war then why join the army. that is what an army is for right? i know my boyfriend cant wait to go. i know 2 soldiers who cant wait to go back. almost three thousand soldiers have died. they died for a democracy in iraq. if we give up and pull out, then they died for nothing. put yourself in that situation. thats not fair. im not saying we need more troops but you cant say that everyone doesnt want this. if they didnt bush would not have been re-elected. and truthfully i think if he could run again he would be again. i cant see where you think this war has gone wrong. its the most succesful war in the history of the world. you cant honestly think that e can jsut pull all our troops out. look how long we have had forces in japan and germany. that all started with a war. it wont and it shouldnt. iraqi people deserve freedom to not just us living comfortably in our homes. remember that before you anyone passes judgement on whos freedom deserves to be fought for.

I just wanted to add because I was watching one of the after shows that they had where you could be a soilder and call in about your opinion and if you oppose this or not and every soilder that called in besides one said that they didn't agree with Bush and he was wrong. Not my opinion just adding a point! I don't really want to voice my opinion. I am in the middle.

I am more than SURE that if you ask any troop...they rather be home with thier LOVED ones than finishing something..that in MY opinion wont ever be finished!! They have been over there to long! And yes I think Bush should be over there..I dont care if you say ever damn person on this earth needs to be over there...WE ARENT THE ONES SAYING 21,500 MORE TROOPS SHOULD BE OVER THERE FIGHTING FOR NO REASON..NOTHING HAS BEEN SOLVED FOR 4 YEARS!!


that's not true. i have quite a few friends and loved ones over there right now... some feel that way (they want to come home) but others believe they are putting their hard work and training to use and doing the jobs that they spent so much time "practicing" on US soil. Jas was sent to Iraq... in the beginning of the war...in fact, he was in the navy on a ship at the time, but there was a problem with the communications (radio) on the ground and the CO ordered him to the beach to do his job, to perform his skills in theater, to do what he had been trained to do... he's very proud of the fact that he got to serve his country like that...and tells of his experiences and time there with great pride.

our roommate, darrell, is a marine... he, too, got sent to iraq at the beginning of the war, and tells stories of iraq with great pride as "he is a marine, and he was sent to iraq to follow orders and do the job he was trained to do.:"

so yes, losing loved ones to the war (both in death and in their being sent over there) is very unfortunate and frustrating... but not all servicemembers hate being there... so generalizing like that is a bit off....

I can see both sides... just glad I don't have to make the decision. If someone has to do it, then I'm glad it's the men and women who are out there, WANTING to do it... so we can sit here and have a right to rant on.

:pray :pray :pray :pray

FROM A SAILOR HOME ON LEAVE:

IM SURE IF YOU ASK ANY AMERICAN SOLDIER...THEY WOULD RATHER BE HELPING OR SAVING THE LIFE OF ANOTHER AMERICAN THAN AN IRAQI OR MIDDLE EASTERN NATIVE. WHY SHOULD WE BE THE WORLD POLICE? I SAY PULL OUT NOW AND LET THEM DO THERE OWN THING. TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH ALL OF THIS IS OVER OIL...NOT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION... OIL. THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF OUR COUNTRY CARE MORE ABOUT OIL THAN THE LIVES OF OUR YOUNG AMERICANS. LET THEM KILL EACH OTHER! WHO CARES! I SAY BRING OUR TROOPS HOME AND PUT THEM ON THE BORDERS OR PUT THEM IN THE AIRPORTS. LET'S WORRY ABOUT OUR OWN COUNTRY AND LET EVERY OTHER COUNTRY DO THEIR THING. HAVE YA'LL FORGOTTEN ABOUT HURICANE KATRINA? HOW LONG DID IT TAKE BUSH TO GET HELP TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR HOMES? TO SUM UP...IT HAS BEEN LONG ENOUGH IN IRAQ. HOW DO WE KNOW THE IRAQI TROOPS WE ARE TRAINING AREN'T ACTUALLY TERRORISTS THEMSELVES? THINK ABOUT IT...

I just wanted to add that I talked to my husband tonight and he explained to me that that is what they sign up for and he was well aware that there was a possiblity that he could go to war and if he did he would go with pride and fighting till the death. Honestly I support my husband and I know he does support bush. My husband wants to be there to protect his buddies. He also said that if we pull out know it will make us look weak and I totally agree with him. I don't like bush nor do I support him but I think that for the sake of our men we need to not be so quick to jump.

Yes he does suck ass! Becuase of him and them wanting 2 carriers over there is the reason why my dh is leaving the end of this month!!!!! So because of him my dh will probably miss the birth of our daughter and another several months of Jacobs life!

But then again my dh and I knew what he was getting into. This is is job wether he does it here or not. YES I would LOVE it if he didnt go but he is also going over there to protect his family and other families.

FROM A SAILOR HOME ON LEAVE:

IM SURE IF YOU ASK ANY AMERICAN SOLDIER...THEY WOULD RATHER BE HELPING OR SAVING THE LIFE OF ANOTHER AMERICAN THAN AN IRAQI OR MIDDLE EASTERN NATIVE. WHY SHOULD WE BE THE WORLD POLICE? I SAY PULL OUT NOW AND LET THEM DO THERE OWN THING. TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH ALL OF THIS IS OVER OIL...NOT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION... OIL. THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF OUR COUNTRY CARE MORE ABOUT OIL THAN THE LIVES OF OUR YOUNG AMERICANS. LET THEM KILL EACH OTHER! WHO CARES! I SAY BRING OUR TROOPS HOME AND PUT THEM ON THE BORDERS OR PUT THEM IN THE AIRPORTS. LET'S WORRY ABOUT OUR OWN COUNTRY AND LET EVERY OTHER COUNTRY DO THEIR THING. HAVE YA'LL FORGOTTEN ABOUT HURICANE KATRINA? HOW LONG DID IT TAKE BUSH TO GET HELP TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR HOMES? TO SUM UP...IT HAS BEEN LONG ENOUGH IN IRAQ. HOW DO WE KNOW THE IRAQI TROOPS WE ARE TRAINING AREN'T ACTUALLY TERRORISTS THEMSELVES? THINK ABOUT IT...

that's ONE sailor's opinion. yes, there are sailors who hate the war, soldiers who hate the war, marines who hate the war, airmen who hate the war... civilians who hate the war... but all the same, there are those who are proud to be doing their jobs by the order of their country... and there are their families who are proud to stand behind them, hoping and waiting for their safe return home, but all the same, showing pride and support in the job that they signed up for, and regardless of whether or not they still agree with that job (or want to do it), will do it because that's their job... and it is my duty as an american to stand behind the people who are fighting as americans, whether or not i agree with the reasons behind our involvement, or even our involvement at all...

FROM A SAILOR HOME ON LEAVE:

IM SURE IF YOU ASK ANY AMERICAN SOLDIER...THEY WOULD RATHER BE HELPING OR SAVING THE LIFE OF ANOTHER AMERICAN THAN AN IRAQI OR MIDDLE EASTERN NATIVE. WHY SHOULD WE BE THE WORLD POLICE? I SAY PULL OUT NOW AND LET THEM DO THERE OWN THING. TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH ALL OF THIS IS OVER OIL...NOT WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION... OIL. THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF OUR COUNTRY CARE MORE ABOUT OIL THAN THE LIVES OF OUR YOUNG AMERICANS. LET THEM KILL EACH OTHER! WHO CARES! I SAY BRING OUR TROOPS HOME AND PUT THEM ON THE BORDERS OR PUT THEM IN THE AIRPORTS. LET'S WORRY ABOUT OUR OWN COUNTRY AND LET EVERY OTHER COUNTRY DO THEIR THING. HAVE YA'LL FORGOTTEN ABOUT HURICANE KATRINA? HOW LONG DID IT TAKE BUSH TO GET HELP TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO LOST THEIR HOMES? TO SUM UP...IT HAS BEEN LONG ENOUGH IN IRAQ. HOW DO WE KNOW THE IRAQI TROOPS WE ARE TRAINING AREN'T ACTUALLY TERRORISTS THEMSELVES? THINK ABOUT IT...

That my be true for some guys but not for all. There alot of men that don't think that.

He's daughters are not on the service, our man are.

I just wanted to add that I talked to my husband tonight and he explained to me that that is what they sign up for and he was well aware that there was a possiblity that he could go to war and if he did he would go with pride and fighting till the death. Honestly I support my husband and I know he does support bush. My husband wants to be there to protect his buddies. He also said that if we pull out know it will make us look weak and I totally agree with him. I don't like bush nor do I support him but I think that for the sake of our men we need to not be so quick to jump. I never voice my opinion really on here but this one I thought I might.

Well about the oil thing to each his own. We all like using the computers we use everyday and drinking our bottled water and all.. it takes oil to make those thing, but that's not what this is about.

Regarding the Hurricane Katrina thing... don't forget that the Governor of Louisina and Mayor Nagen had A LOT to do with how slow the response was for their state and city and that Nagen could have SIGNIFICANTLY reduced the number of people that died in that disaster... so lets not let the blame fall all on one person shall we.

You may feel that way about the war, but you aren't EVERY American soldier. You aren't every American Sailor and you can't say without a doubt that you know they would ALL say they would rather pull out. There's a job to be done... you don't want to do it then fine, but there are others that will for you. I would personally be more proud to say I was there helping rather than saying... nah I didn't want to go, but my friend did and died there.

Well about the oil thing to each his own. We all like using the computers we use everyday and drinking our bottled water and all.. it takes oil to make those thing, but that's not what this is about.

Regarding the Hurricane Katrina thing... don't forget that the Governor of Louisina and Mayor Nagen had A LOT to do with how slow the response was for their state and city and that Nagen could have SIGNIFICANTLY reduced the number of people that died in that disaster... so lets not let the blame fall all on one person shall we.

You may feel that way about the war, but you aren't EVERY American soldier. You aren't every American Sailor and you can't say without a doubt that you know they would ALL say they would rather pull out. There's a job to be done... you don't want to do it then fine, but there are others that will for you. I would personally be more proud to say I was there helping rather than saying... nah I didn't want to go, but my friend did and died there.


I agree with everything u have been saying and that is why I made the post about my husband. He knew what he signed up for and that was to serve and possibly go to war. He wants to go to Iraq and protect our freedom and his battle buddies.

I just wanted to add that I talked to my husband tonight and he explained to me that that is what they sign up for and he was well aware that there was a possiblity that he could go to war and if he did he would go with pride and fighting till the death. Honestly I support my husband and I know he does support bush. My husband wants to be there to protect his buddies. He also said that if we pull out know it will make us look weak and I totally agree with him. I don't like bush nor do I support him but I think that for the sake of our men we need to not be so quick to jump. I never voice my opinion really on here but this one I thought I might.


jason said himself tonight... "i'd go back to iraq." for some, its a sense of pride, the opportunity to serve and use their skills and training... to be their with their buddies, their "brothers" ...

I NEVER SAID I DIDN'T WANT TO BE OVER THERE...I WOULD GO IN A HEARTBEAT...I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T SUPPORT IT. I SEE NO REASON IN ANY AMERICAN SOLDIER BEING OVER THERE.

You ladies need to remember as well that the soldiers and marines and sailors and airmen that are serving our country are serving voluntarily. I don't want to come off as kissing Presidential ass, because I'm not, but he's doing the best he can in the situation he was put in. He's not calling for a draft and he's not dropping A-bombs on the country, but instead he's trying to help the country be strong enough to stabilize itself which in return will help to protect our country in the future because Iraq will be able to stop terrorist organizations before they get strong enough to attack.

That country doesn't want us there, they obviously don't want to be stable, Saddam and his children were killed because BUSH wanted that, they never did a damn thing to this country. Hmmmm....wonder why we aren't slamming Afghanistan harder to get that sand rat out there killed, he's the one that keeps terrorizing our country!
Bush is an ass and so is his dad, they BOTH screwed our country up, Clinton had us all straightened out and then Bush went in and royaly fucked us up!! Our troops need to be pulled from Iraq (I have a BIL and 2 very good friends there and have heard AWFUL HORRIBLE things).

I NEVER SAID I DIDN'T WANT TO BE OVER THERE...I WOULD GO IN A HEARTBEAT...I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T SUPPORT IT. I SEE NO REASON IN ANY AMERICAN SOLDIER BEING OVER THERE.


so tell me... why would YOU go in a heart beat when "every troop" does not want to be over there, nor do you support it?

jason said himself tonight... "i'd go back to iraq." for some, its a sense of pride, the opportunity to serve and use their skills and training... to be their with their buddies, their "brothers" ...

Our husbands must be friends in a distant life because that is the speech he give me. He said that it is a sense of pride.

ok let me just sum this up. everyone who signed did it voluntarily. and im glad all these people would rather let everyone just kill eahother instead of making them a strong and free nation. thats nice. but hello we have been policing the world for years thats what we do. and to say that we are just in this for oil.. prove it. you cant. no proof. there is none. ive looked. just peoples opinions. this is coming from a guy who just joined the army and has alot of friends there. everything you said is an opinion. the great thing about this countruy is that if you dont like it you can leave. if you dont like the way our country is run fo live in iraq or afganistan for a year. how can you say to just let them kill eachother. im sorry but thats just wrong. thats not us. most of them are innocent poeple. thats why we are there. if you joined the army and expected just to sit at home with your family all the time you joined for the wrong reason. but i know people who have died for this. i know many of you do to. i dont want them to have died for nothing. but thats just me. it sounds like some people dont have our country in there best interests, just themselves. how many terrorists have attacked our soil since. none. and iraq is on there way to being a strong democracy. slowly but surely if we stick it out. everyone says were losing. please tell me how.

ok let me just sum this up. everyone who signed did it voluntarily. and im glad all these people would rather let everyone just kill eahother instead of making them a strong and free nation. thats nice. but hello we have been policing the world for years thats what we do. and to say that we are just in this for oil.. prove it. you cant. no proof. there is none. ive looked. just peoples opinions. this is coming from a guy who just joined the army and has alot of friends there. everything you said is an opinion. the great thing about this countruy is that if you dont like it you can leave. if you dont like the way our country is run fo live in iraq or afganistan for a year. how can you say to just let them kill eachother. im sorry but thats just wrong. thats not us. most of them are innocent poeple. thats why we are there. if you joined the army and expected just to sit at home with your family all the time you joined for the wrong reason. but i know people who have died for this. i know many of you do to. i dont want them to have died for nothing. but thats just me. it sounds like some people dont have our country in there best interests, just themselves. how many terrorists have attacked our soil since. none. and iraq is on there way to being a strong democracy. slowly but surely if we stick it out. everyone says were losing. please tell me how.

You said have been a political major girl. Oh by the way I agree with you!

How can you NOT support our troops when your SO is an active duty! you probably worded that wrong.

BECAUSE IT IS MY JOB...I AM VERY PROUD TO SERVE AND I WOULD GO...DO YOU ALWAYS AGREE WITH EVRYTHING YOU ARE TOLD TO DO AT YOUR JOB? NO...BUT YOU HAVE TO DO IT B/C IT IS YOUR JOB. JUST BECAUSE I DON'T SUPPORT THE REASONING BEHIND US BEING OVER THERE DOESN'T MEAN I WOULDN'T GO OVER THERE TO HELP EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE A LOST CAUSE.

the 10% of people who want to kill Americans and any other person in the world who doesn't believe Allah wants them to die to kill if they don't believe what they believe don't want us there... the other 90% of the country that are THRIVING now because of Saddam being gone WANT us there. They appreciate what our country has done for them. They don't want us to abandon them so why should we.

Reagan, Daddy Bush and Clinton ALL 3 had a chance to squash this before it got this far. And go read the 9/11 commission there is proof in there that intelligence about Saddam and Osama wanting to attack the US DURING CLINTONS administration. Don't blame it all on the republicans!! Clinton could've zipped his pants and done something to benefit the country, but he was too busy flushing it down the craphole!!!

BECAUSE IT IS MY JOB...I AM VERY PROUD TO SERVE AND I WOULD GO...DO YOU ALWAYS AGREE WITH EVRYTHING YOU ARE TOLD TO DO AT YOUR JOB? NO...BUT YOU HAVE TO DO IT B/C IT IS YOUR JOB. JUST BECAUSE I DON'T SUPPORT THE REASONING BEHIND US BEING OVER THERE DOESN'T MEAN I WOULDN'T GO OVER THERE TO HELP EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE A LOST CAUSE.


so... you basically just negated the purpose of your post.

are you in the military?

BECAUSE IT IS MY JOB...I AM VERY PROUD TO SERVE AND I WOULD GO...DO YOU ALWAYS AGREE WITH EVRYTHING YOU ARE TOLD TO DO AT YOUR JOB? NO...BUT YOU HAVE TO DO IT B/C IT IS YOUR JOB. JUST BECAUSE I DON'T SUPPORT THE REASONING BEHIND US BEING OVER THERE DOESN'T MEAN I WOULDN'T GO OVER THERE TO HELP EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE A LOST CAUSE.

I just don't get how you think it is a lost cause? That is what I am confused on? Where is the legit behind that?:shrug

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YES I AM MILITARY...JUST B/C I'M MILITARY DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE TO SUPPORT THE WAR IN IRAQ!

so... you basically just negated the purpose of your post.

are you in the military?


Wait is she in the military or is she talking about someone else?:shrug

BUSH IS FULL OF SHIT..WHAT THE HELL IS HE THINKING?!!!!!! 21,500 MORE TROOPS WTF?? 2 CARRIERS AT ALL TIME(IN THE GULF!) WHAT THE HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad

there have been 2 carriers there at times before.
I don't get your point?

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YES I AM MILITARY...JUST B/C I'M MILITARY DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE TO SUPPORT THE WAR IN IRAQ!

nah, i'm just trying to see where you're coming from. i didn't know you were in the military. what branch?

there have been 2 carriers there at times before.
I don't get your point?

Anyone else having a good night?

I didn't watch the Bush speech because I don't want to hear a bunch of crap. We already knew he wanted to send over that many more troops. We also already were told awhile ago there were going to be 2 carriers in the gulf at all times. My husband signed up for the military and that is his job. I support him. I don't agree with what has gone on, but its all hindsight at this point. We HAVE to stay and finish we can't just leave. It would be horribly wrong to do that.

HE NEEDS TO GO TO BOOTCAMP..THEN PUT ON A UNIFORM (AFTER HE EARNED IT..I MEAN GET YELLED AT,NOT TALKING TO ANYBODY AND HAVING PEOPLE BASICALLY OWN YOU!) AND THEN WE NEED TO SEND HIM TO IRAQ AND MAKE HIM F'ING FIGHT!!!!!!!!

UMM he did serve in the military

ABOUT IT BEING A LOST CAUSE...IT WILL NEVER BE OVER! WE WERE THERE IN '91 AND DIDN'T FINISH THE JOB AND WHERE ARE WE NOW? RIGHT BACK OVER THE THEIR. OURPRESENCE IN THE MIDDLE EAST ISN'T GONNA UP AND CHANGE THE LIFESTYLE OR THE BELIEFS OF ANYONE LIVING THEIR. I KNOW THERE ARE INNOCENT PEOPLE OVER THEIR BUT THERE ARE ALSO TERRORISTS.

if he wants all these men and women to go over there... umm here's an idea SEND YOUR 2 FREAKIN DUI DRINKING DAUGHTERS OVER THERE... lets see how much they enjoy what our husbands and boyfriends go threw all the time!!! I HATE HIM HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HIM!!!! ERRRRRR

Did anyone FORCE your dh to join?

UMM he did serve in the military

yea that is what I thought around the same time as Kerry.

ABOUT IT BEING A LOST CAUSE...IT WILL NEVER BE OVER! WE WERE THERE IN '91 AND DIDN'T FINISH THE JOB AND WHERE ARE WE NOW? RIGHT BACK OVER THE THEIR. OURPRESENCE IN THE MIDDLE EAST ISN'T GONNA UP AND CHANGE THE LIFESTYLE OR THE BELIEFS OF ANYONE LIVING THEIR. I KNOW THERE ARE INNOCENT PEOPLE OVER THEIR BUT THERE ARE ALSO TERRORISTS.

like i have said before, if our fathers would have finished the job, we wouldnt be in this situation now.

notice finish the job.... now how does that pertain to today?

You ladies need to remember as well that the soldiers and marines and sailors and airmen that are serving our country are serving voluntarily. I don't want to come off as kissing Presidential ass, because I'm not, but he's doing the best he can in the situation he was put in. He's not calling for a draft and he's not dropping A-bombs on the country, but instead he's trying to help the country be strong enough to stabilize itself which in return will help to protect our country in the future because Iraq will be able to stop terrorist organizations before they get strong enough to attack.

AMEN Steph
DING DING DING WE HAVE A WINNER
THEY VOLUNTEERED!!!!!

Yes, they signed up voluntarily, but we have been over there waaaaaaaay too long. I think the troops need to come home. And I agree, Bush and all his family and the idiots that support him need to go through boot camp and stand on the damn front lines and get shot at to understand why people are so frustrated and want this war over with. I think he is just blowing smoke out of his ass. :banghead

Some of the very ones that are standing on the front lines support him, and because we don't agree with pulling the troops out now we are all idiots??:rolleyes

Girls..That is my hubby(he is home on leave!) and yes he is in the military.
I just dont think we should be in Iraq..I am done! I have said what I wnated to and so has my dh! Everybody has an opinion! and I think we shouldnt be in Iraq!

You know... if that's the way it's gotta be then EVERY AMERICAN on the great soil that we live on has to go through boot camp and has to stand on the front lines, because we don't know as NON-active duty military that has been on the front lines what it's like. We can't imagine... and honestly I don't want to know. But to say that the Commander in Chief has to go and pick up a rifle and fight in a war than more than a few good men and women are willing to go fight is rediculous in my honest opinion. He's got a job to do and so do those who are on their feet in the sand with all the crap that's going on. Tell them they have to leave. The ones that want to be there have fought with all they have and all they are and want to finish it. They take pride in finishing a job they started and don't want to turn yellow and run away!!!

:yes

That country doesn't want us there, they obviously don't want to be stable, Saddam and his children were killed because BUSH wanted that, they never did a damn thing to this country. Hmmmm....wonder why we aren't slamming Afghanistan harder to get that sand rat out there killed, he's the one that keeps terrorizing our country!
Bush is an ass and so is his dad, they BOTH screwed our country up, Clinton had us all straightened out and then Bush went in and royaly fucked us up!! Our troops need to be pulled from Iraq (I have a BIL and 2 very good friends there and have heard AWFUL HORRIBLE things).

first of all if we went to afganistan you would still be on here complaning. jsut about a different country. and they do want there ask any soldier who actually fought side by side with an iraqi. they volunteer for the army, police and other positions with threats to theres and there family's lives. so how can you say they dont want us there. and for clinton, all he did was incite terrorism. in 92 a bomb went off under the trade centers. what did he do. nothing. sent a couple of cruise missiles? destroyed a couple iraqi cities? he didnt clean anything up. didnt give them any help and you wonder why they hate us. because for years we have been saying what that sailor just so nicely put it. "just let them all kill eachother" thats why they hate us.bush is changing that. and i know this is just my opinion but bush is our president our american president.we voted for him remember that.

and for those who keep bringing bushes daughters into this, who cares. hey how about this. how about we send the guy who cheated on his wife and lied to the whole nation about it to boot camp. or the guy who pretty much called our troops idiots in a speach." go to college, if you dont youll get stuck in iraq" but bush is the bad guy right?

I am more than SURE that if you ask any troop...they rather be home with thier LOVED ones than finishing something..that in MY opinion wont ever be finished!! They have been over there to long! And yes I think Bush should be over there..I dont care if you say ever damn person on this earth needs to be over there...WE ARENT THE ONES SAYING 21,500 MORE TROOPS SHOULD BE OVER THERE FIGHTING FOR NO REASON..NOTHING HAS BEEN SOLVED FOR 4 YEARS!!

NOT EVERY TROOP
Sure my doesn't like to deploy but he knows he has a job to do and he does it proudly

wow this board is really heating up. We are all here for the same reason to support others and are loved ones it seems like with all the bush stuff we have lost sight of the really reason why were there to finish the job

Saying nothing has been accomplished in 4 years is wrong. Just plain wrong... Talk to the people in Iraq. I believe you will hear just how much has been done in 4 years. The reason we don't hear about it like it was stated in the other thread... 1)they are still afraid because there are still followers of Saddam there 2)the media doesn't give a rats ass about the GOOD of the war, they just want the ratings. Try looking in other places. Don't assume that everyone would just want to come home at the drop of a hat... sure they'd RATHER be home with their families but they know full and well that they NEED to finish their job. They don't want to abandon it. Many of them have made friends with Iraqis and work very closely with Iraqis everyday. Abandoning them is not the answer... NOT AT ALL!!!! Not good for us and certainly not good for them!

:yes

Yes he does suck ass! Becuase of him and them wanting 2 carriers over there is the reason why my dh is leaving the end of this month!!!!! So because of him my dh will probably miss the birth of our daughter and another several months of Jacobs life!

But then again my dh and I knew what he was getting into. This is is job wether he does it here or not. YES I would LOVE it if he didnt go but he is also going over there to protect his family and other families.

NO Your dh choose to join so ultimately it is his fault that he is missing these mile stones, Unless President Bush made your dh join he is not ultimately responsible
Sorry

that's ONE sailor's opinion. yes, there are sailors who hate the war, soldiers who hate the war, marines who hate the war, airmen who hate the war... civilians who hate the war... but all the same, there are those who are proud to be doing their jobs by the order of their country... and there are their families who are proud to stand behind them, hoping and waiting for their safe return home, but all the same, showing pride and support in the job that they signed up for, and regardless of whether or not they still agree with that job (or want to do it), will do it because that's their job... and it is my duty as an american to stand behind the people who are fighting as americans, whether or not i agree with the reasons behind our involvement, or even our involvement at all...

:yes

I NEVER SAID I DIDN'T WANT TO BE OVER THERE...I WOULD GO IN A HEARTBEAT...I'M JUST SAYING I DON'T SUPPORT IT. I SEE NO REASON IN ANY AMERICAN SOLDIER BEING OVER THERE.

So have you signed on the dotted line?

That country doesn't want us there, they obviously don't want to be stable, Saddam and his children were killed because BUSH wanted that, they never did a damn thing to this country. Hmmmm....wonder why we aren't slamming Afghanistan harder to get that sand rat out there killed, he's the one that keeps terrorizing our country!
Bush is an ass and so is his dad, they BOTH screwed our country up, Clinton had us all straightened out and then Bush went in and royaly fucked us up!! Our troops need to be pulled from Iraq (I have a BIL and 2 very good friends there and have heard AWFUL HORRIBLE things).

Yes like I said in the other thread there are MANY iraqis who want us there and want change

Girls..That is my hubby(he is home on leave!) and yes he is in the military.
I just dont think we should be in Iraq..I am done! I have said what I wnated to and so has my dh! Everybody has an opinion! and I think we shouldnt be in Iraq!

ahhh that was HIM typing as you?

on a side note... when did you get married, emilie!!? i saw the 13 months until you're wedding ticker... but had no idea you're already married... congrats! ;)

I dont like Bush.....I dont think America does (at least based his current overal ratings), and I am VERY much looking forward to a new president with hopefully a little more intelligence.

Okay breezy My hubby FEELS THE SAME DAMN WAY(YEAH HE SIGNED UP AND HE KNOWS WHAT HES GOT TO DO!!!!!!!!).HE SAID HE WOULD GO IN A HEART BEAT BUT HE DIDNT AGREE WITH WHY WE ARE IN IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

UM..CANT YOU USE IT AS DEAR HUNNY ...:wink

UM..CANT YOU USE IT AS DEAR HUNNY ...:wink

you called him hubby ;) so now i'm confused!! LOL

ABOUT IT BEING A LOST CAUSE...IT WILL NEVER BE OVER! WE WERE THERE IN '91 AND DIDN'T FINISH THE JOB AND WHERE ARE WE NOW? RIGHT BACK OVER THE THEIR. OURPRESENCE IN THE MIDDLE EAST ISN'T GONNA UP AND CHANGE THE LIFESTYLE OR THE BELIEFS OF ANYONE LIVING THEIR. I KNOW THERE ARE INNOCENT PEOPLE OVER THEIR BUT THERE ARE ALSO TERRORISTS.

You jsut said we didn't finish so we pull out again and don't finish just to go back another 10 years later to do all of this again:confused

Okay well I call him my hubby/or hunny because SOON HE WILL be and why does it matter??

Okay breezy My hubby FEELS THE SAME DAMN WAY(YEAH HE SIGNED UP AND HE KNOWS WHAT HES GOT TO DO!!!!!!!!).HE SAID HE WOULD GO IN A HEART BEAT BUT HE DIDNT AGREE WITH WHY WE ARE IN IRAQ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Has he been IN Iraq? Has he worked hand in hand with them?
MIne has and that is why I say they DO want us there

Hey Becky hasn't this happened before :nutts

YES HE HAS..AND YES HE WILL GO AGAIN!! BUT HE DOESNT AGREE!

Okay well I call him my hubby/or hunny because SOON HE WILL be and why does it matter??


it doesn't -- if you were actually married, i'd be congratulating you. ;)

Okay well I call him my hubby/or hunny because SOON HE WILL be and why does it matter??

Becase he was posting as you and not making it clear!

Hey Becky hasn't this happened before :nutts

i was thinking the same thing:thinkin

:yes Hey Becky hasn't this happened before :nutts


:yes :tears :hairout :freakout

YES HE HAS..AND YES HE WILL GO AGAIN!! BUT HE DOESNT AGREE!

So what is your dhs job cause there are only few who go ON the ground to Iraq and NO I am NOT refering to sitting in the middle of the persian gulf on a hunk of metal

Um..no he put on the top line....
From a sailor home on leave:
So maybe you guys should read a little closer......

:yes


:yes :tears :hairout :freakout

and we are the crazy one :roflmao

Um..no he put on the top line....
From a sailor home on leave:
So maybe you guys should read a little closer......


so were you typing as YOU or him in the beginning?

also, when "from a sailor home on leave" was posted, we figured you were quoting from somewhere.:freakout

Um..no he put on the top line....
From a sailor home on leave:
So maybe you guys should read a little closer......

for all we knew that was copied and pasted from a blog somewhere.... cant read minds here.

and we are the crazy one :roflmao

that was down in the thread NOT in the title so yeah it is missleading

for all we knew that was copied and pasted from a blog somewhere.... cant read minds here.

Exactly and ALL OF THE CAPS MAKE IT REALLY HARD TO DESIPHER (sp)

He boards/searches ships in the Persian Gulf...and if you didnt know...LET ME TELL YOU...ITS JUST AS DANGEROUS!

The United Stated has been a stong force in the Gulf region since "The Gulf War" while i amy not agree 100% with Bush, he is our President and doing a decent job. If we just uproot and pull ou timmediately what will that solve nothing. Some of the war yes may be over oil, but not all. It is about terrorisom. Think of all that we lost in 9/11... I did loose a friend, but many others lost husbands, wives, children, lovers, employees, and yes friends. we are trying to teach democrocy, we're fighting for what is right. We did not ask to be attacked, but we were. How would you feel if you had to live like the do in Iraq??? No freedoms. Freedoms we take for granted. I am not for war, but I beleive this is just. If I personally could go over I would. I would love to say Yes, I did my part. I am doing my part here. I am a NAVY wife and a strong supporter of my husband and all of our military brothers and sisters in arms... HOORAH, SAILORS, SOILDERS, & MARINES

He boards/searches ships in the Persian Gulf...and if you didnt know...LET ME TELL YOU...ITS JUST AS DANGEROUS!

NO SHIT
My dh has been in 12 years BUT MY POINT IS HE HASN"T WORKED HAND IN HAND WITH THE IRAQIS
I am not new to the navy so you don't have to get smart assy with me :D

Welll breezy this forum is to talk and support..not to be a BITCH AND TRY AND PROVE PEOPLE WRONG OR RIGHT!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION!!! AND ONE PERSON THAT HAS PM' ME HAS PERSONALLY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HOW YOUR ALWAYS ON HER ASS ABOUT WRITING FORUMS ...BECAUSE SHE CALLED YOU RUDE!!! BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HER..

Wow... this board got REALLY heated! Aren't we supposed to be supporting each other? Not at each other's throats over something that can't be changed?
"Can't we all just get along?!?" :hairout lol.

Welll breezy this forum is to talk and support..not to be a BITCH AND TRY AND PROVE PEOPLE WRONG OR RIGHT!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION!!! AND ONE PERSON THAT HAS PM' ME HAS PERSONALLY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HOW YOUR ALWAYS ON HER ASS ABOUT WRITING FORUMS ...BECAUSE SHE CALLED YOU RUDE!!! BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HER...BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!

And look who just called the Kettle black HONEY
And yeah marnie we ALL know it is you. I love how you say one thing in public and another in private
PUT ME ON IGNORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I am not sure where your comments came from I never tried to convience you to change your mind I just asked ??s about your reasonings cause IF YOU or your DH Or what ever the hell he is today hasn't worked hand in hand with the Iraqis you don't know what they think
And just so you know my dh was onboard a ship for 4 years, now he is on ground so I know BOTH sides of it.
So again the pot calling the kettle black
Gotta love it

Excuse me!! Where was Breezy rude to you?

Welll breezy this forum is to talk and support..not to be a BITCH AND TRY AND PROVE PEOPLE WRONG OR RIGHT!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION!!! AND ONE PERSON THAT HAS PM' ME HAS PERSONALLY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HOW YOUR ALWAYS ON HER ASS ABOUT WRITING FORUMS ...BECAUSE SHE CALLED YOU RUDE!!! BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HER..

she may come off as rude, but her like some others on here and me have BTDT for many years. she just isnt sugarcoating, dont like her, ignore her and you wont have to deal with it. problem solved.

Some friends of ours are in a band and they have a song called "Despite Your Shirt, He's Still Our President" - It pretty much means and talks about the fact that even though you're protesting Bush and his policies - doesn't change, or will not change anything about who our president is...there will always be conflict, there will always be oppositions, there will never be 100% agreeing in any situation. Complaining won't get us anywhere. No, I do not agree with Bush's way of handling things, but I also know that he is the president I have to live under right now, so I make the best of it and try not to complain. And yes, it sucks that military gets deployed. My DH is currently deployed. It sucks. I hate it. It happens. I knew it would happen from the day he decided to join.

Welll breezy this forum is to talk and support..not to be a BITCH AND TRY AND PROVE PEOPLE WRONG OR RIGHT!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION!!! AND ONE PERSON THAT HAS PM' ME HAS PERSONALLY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HOW YOUR ALWAYS ON HER ASS ABOUT WRITING FORUMS ...BECAUSE SHE CALLED YOU RUDE!!! BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HER..

Guess what it doesn't change what you wrote or called me it is quoted several times we all know exactly how you are now!

she may come off as rude, but her like some others on here and me have BTDT for many years. she just isnt sugarcoating, dont like her, ignore her and you wont have to deal with it. problem solved.

Thank you Donna
I can't wait until the day the youngens look back and go Oh DAMN they were right:nutts Or they get divorced cause they can't hack it one of the two

Well I know this will piss some people off, but my husband and i just watched a replay, and 21,000 is it really enough? It has been said NO. Send 50,000 and get it done....I think they SHOULD instill the draft, why sit here and draw welfare, when you can earn the governments money. Kids both male & female who do not have a career path, are not going to college, and have some brains left should have to serve. At least 2 years, what would that hurt???? I think it would make for a stronger US, not one where kids think all should be handed too them. Just my opinon.

israel... israel has a mandatory service requirement... are they proud of the IDF (their military) HELL YES... its an HONOR to serve!!

Well I know this will piss some people off, but my husband and i just watched a replay, and 21,000 is it really enough? It has been said NO. Send 50,000 and get it done....I think they SHOULD instill the draft, why sit here and draw welfare, when you can earn the governments money. Kids both male & female who do not have a career path, are not going to college, and have some brains left should have to serve. At least 2 years, what would that hurt???? I think it would make for a stronger US, not one where kids think all should be handed too them. Just my opinon.

That is a good idea Heidi
But they would all have to be in their own units for feer of these that don't agree shooting their own in the backs literally

Don't assume that everyone would just want to come home at the drop of a hat... sure they'd RATHER be home with their families but they know full and well that they NEED to finish their job. They don't want to abandon it.


i agree. i know plenty of people who actually take pride in what theyre doing. i also know plenty of men serving in the military that actually WANT to go to iraq because they feel they need to serve our country. if they didnt want to do anything good for our country, or dont want to serve our country, then they are in the military for the wrong reasons..

I FUCKING HATE HIM!!!!!!!! GRRR

Some of the very ones that are standing on the front lines support him, and because we don't agree with pulling the troops out now we are all idiots??:rolleyes

you idiot... i like idiots, theyre fun! wanna go ride bikes with the idiot crew?

Welll breezy this forum is to talk and support..not to be a BITCH AND TRY AND PROVE PEOPLE WRONG OR RIGHT!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION!!! AND ONE PERSON THAT HAS PM' ME HAS PERSONALLY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HOW YOUR ALWAYS ON HER ASS ABOUT WRITING FORUMS ...BECAUSE SHE CALLED YOU RUDE!!! BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HER..

:shame No name calling! As heated as a debate might get, you don't need to call names. I understand you were frustrated, but the point of a debate, indeed is to prove your point. Please keep it clean, ladies!

Hey Emilie :Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/ddybis/blinkies/miscblink28.gif

you idiot... i like idiots, theyre fun! wanna go ride bikes with the idiot crew?

Sure :giggle

BECAUSE IT IS MY JOB...I AM VERY PROUD TO SERVE AND I WOULD GO...DO YOU ALWAYS AGREE WITH EVRYTHING YOU ARE TOLD TO DO AT YOUR JOB? NO...BUT YOU HAVE TO DO IT B/C IT IS YOUR JOB. JUST BECAUSE I DON'T SUPPORT THE REASONING BEHIND US BEING OVER THERE DOESN'T MEAN I WOULDN'T GO OVER THERE TO HELP EVEN THOUGH IT SEEMS LIKE A LOST CAUSE.

You know something there, I support you in being in the military as I am prior Navy myself and am going back into the military here soon. I know there is a real good chance I will end up over in Iraq, I am prepared for that. My wife is active duty Navy and she leaves here real soon for wherever the ship sends her, most likely the gulf. I watched the speech and all I could think about was my family thats in the military, wife-active duty Navy, Brother-Army National Guard, Brother #2- Active duty Army (ranger), Cousin- Active duty Air Force (captain in intel at pentagon). Everyone in the military realizes the risks but never thinks about them because war, or invading a country is the last resort to democracy. Keep up the good work there Sailor and I agree with you about everything you have said.

Whoa there little girl! First off, I don't see where Breezy was being rude to you at all. She was just stating her opinion and like you, she has every right to do so. You came on here swinging USING CAPS LIKE YOU ARE YELLING AT US, which I might add is rather rude, and to be quite honest, not sounding like you really knew what you were talking about. I don't feel like rehashing my views on this topic, since I have already done that on a similar post, but I will say this...

You are going to come across women on this board who are very blunt and tell it how it is. That doesn't mean we are being bitches. We aren't always going to agree on this board, a that's ok! Not everyone will see eye to eye on issues. You need to be mature enough to handle a debate. Also, it's a fact that there are a lot of us on here, who have more experience living this life than you do. Many of these women have handled more than a couple deployments, and know the ins and outs. Like Breezy's husband, my husband was on the ground as well and worked with many Iraqis. So, he has first hand experience with this. Plus he has also been on a ship. The man has put in almost 15 years being in the Navy. So, don't think for one moment that you can have your dh df or whatever he is come on here and speak for all sailors! My husband was proud to serve over there, and if he had to go back, he wouldn't question it. He would do it without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion. That is part of the oath they take when they enlist.

So, you need to back off Breezy or any other spouse that has "been there, done that," and can give their insight on things. I am not afraid to pull the "I have more experience than you do being a military spouse" card if needed be. If that strikes a chord with you, then feel free to put me on ignore ;)

you called him hubby ;) so now i'm confused!! LOL

yup, right above where she said "cant you see it as dear hunny"

Also, since you stated you are military, you should know better to act the way you acted on this thread :tsktsk. I would expect a little more from someone who is serving their country and their Commander in Chief.

Oh Sarah you were nicer than me apparently :D
But well said!Whoa there little girl! First off, I don't see where Breezy was being rude to you at all. She was just stating her opinion and like you, she has every right to do so. You came on here swinging USING CAPS LIKE YOU ARE YELLING AT US, which I might add is rather rude, and to be quite honest, not sounding like you really knew what you were talking about. I don't feel like rehashing my views on this topic, since I have already done that on a similar post, but I will say this...

You are going to come across women on this board who are very blunt and tell it how it is. That doesn't mean we are being bitches. We aren't always going to agree on this board, a that's ok! Not everyone will see eye to eye on issues. You need to be mature enough to handle a debate. Also, it's a fact that there are a lot of us on here, who have more experience living this life than you do. Many of these women have handled more than a couple deployments, and know the ins and outs. Like Breezy's husband, my husband was on the ground as well and worked with many Iraqis. So, he has first hand experience with this. Plus he has also been on a ship. The man has put in almost 15 years being in the Navy. So, don't think for one moment that you can have your dh df or whatever he is come on here and speak for all sailors! My husband was proud to serve over there, and if he had to go back, he wouldn't question it. He would do it without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion. That is part of the oath they take when they enlist.

So, you need to back off Breezy or any other spouse that has "been there, done that," and can give their insight on things. I am not afraid to pull the "I have more experience than you do being a military spouse" card if needed be. If that strikes a chord with you, then feel free to put me on ignore ;)

Also, not to nit pick, but if you are in the military, wouldn't you know the proper term for a sailor being a part of a group that seizes and boards other ships?? Let me refresh your memory...it's called VBSS ;)

Also, since you stated you are military, you should know better to act the way you acted on this thread :tsktsk. I would expect a little more from someone who is serving their country and their Commander in Chief.

Didn't you know this newer kindler gentler Navy allows you to disrespect your Commanding Officer:hehe

Also, since you stated you are military, you should know better to act the way you acted on this thread :tsktsk. I would expect a little more from someone who is serving their country and their Commander in Chief.

:yeehaw :yeehaw :thumbsup :thumbsup

Welll breezy this forum is to talk and support..not to be a BITCH AND TRY AND PROVE PEOPLE WRONG OR RIGHT!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION!!! AND ONE PERSON THAT HAS PM' ME HAS PERSONALLY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HOW YOUR ALWAYS ON HER ASS ABOUT WRITING FORUMS ...BECAUSE SHE CALLED YOU RUDE!!! BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HER..

OH OH OH CAN I BE THE FIRST TO GIVE HER A COOKIE??????





dog jumped on keyboard causing caps. i was in no way shape or form trying to be as annoying ;)

Didn't you know this newer kindler gentler Navy allows you to disrespect your Commanding Officer:hehe

Oh yes, the days of being kicked down the stairs in boot camp by your DI are loooooooong gone. Now they pull the "DI you are being mean to me" card...literally :rolleyes

Oh yes, the days of being kicked down the stairs in boot camp by your DI are loooooooong gone. Now they pull the "DI you are being mean to me" card...literally :rolleyes

:teehee

Some friends of ours are in a band and they have a song called "Despite Your Shirt, He's Still Our President" - It pretty much means and talks about the fact that even though you're protesting Bush and his policies - doesn't change, or will not change anything about who our president is...there will always be conflict, there will always be oppositions, there will never be 100% agreeing in any situation. Complaining won't get us anywhere. No, I do not agree with Bush's way of handling things, but I also know that he is the president I have to live under right now, so I make the best of it and try not to complain. And yes, it sucks that military gets deployed. My DH is currently deployed. It sucks. I hate it. It happens. I knew it would happen from the day he decided to join.

I agree, and this is one of the best responses I have read today. Thank you :)

israel... israel has a mandatory service requirement... are they proud of the IDF (their military) HELL YES... its an HONOR to serve!!

I have heard that from a friend of mine and it kinda blew me away. Now that is pride in your country!

You are so right Sarah!
Stacey you are too dang funny girl

Hey Emilie :Dhttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v82/ddybis/blinkies/miscblink28.gif

and it looks good on you ;)

... it amazes me that there are a few ((not the majority)) people on here who have such strong opinions about the war but yet in trying to express their point show such ignorance!!!!! ..

Sure :giggle

The more I see your siggy, the more I love it!

Oh yes, the days of being kicked down the stairs in boot camp by your DI are loooooooong gone. Now they pull the "DI you are being mean to me" card...literally :rolleyes

Dont get DH, or his parents started on that one! His mom said to me the other day "I think these new military people should get smacked around a little like we did back when I was in the Coast Guard" I love her!

You are so right Sarah!
Stacey you are too dang funny girl

thank you, *bows* i try!

Dont get DH, or his parents started on that one! His mom said to me the other day "I think these new military people should get smacked around a little like we did back when I was in the Coast Guard" I love her!

:yes

When my husband was in bootcamp, he was kicked down the stairs by his DI. No one bitched about it then. It was part of the breaking you down and building you back up experience.

yup. now there are "stress cards" and other BS. sorry, hate to break it to you, but in battle, there are no such thing!

and it looks good on you ;)

thank you and I wear it proudly :D

I agree, and this is one of the best responses I have read today. Thank you :)

You're quite welcome :D

Some friends of ours are in a band and they have a song called "Despite Your Shirt, He's Still Our President" - It pretty much means and talks about the fact that even though you're protesting Bush and his policies - doesn't change, or will not change anything about who our president is...there will always be conflict, there will always be oppositions, there will never be 100% agreeing in any situation. Complaining won't get us anywhere. No, I do not agree with Bush's way of handling things, but I also know that he is the president I have to live under right now, so I make the best of it and try not to complain. And yes, it sucks that military gets deployed. My DH is currently deployed. It sucks. I hate it. It happens. I knew it would happen from the day he decided to join.

yay!! go Kelsey :)

Wow! I go away to make dinner and eat and I come back to twice as many pages and a damn good debate... and it fizzled out on me AGAIN....


what about the spanking thing now Stacey???? LOL!!!! :hehe :spank

Dont get DH, or his parents started on that one! His mom said to me the other day "I think these new military people should get smacked around a little like we did back when I was in the Coast Guard" I love her!

I totally agree
cause when they get to the fleet they can't pull their weight cause damn you hurt my feelings:banghead :rolleyes

thank you, *bows* i try!

:teehee

Well I know this will piss some people off, but my husband and i just watched a replay, and 21,000 is it really enough? It has been said NO. Send 50,000 and get it done....I think they SHOULD instill the draft, why sit here and draw welfare, when you can earn the governments money. Kids both male & female who do not have a career path, are not going to college, and have some brains left should have to serve. At least 2 years, what would that hurt???? I think it would make for a stronger US, not one where kids think all should be handed too them. Just my opinon.

I'm not sure if I like the draft idea... but Norway has a great program kinda similar. Every young person is required to either spend a year in the military... or a year doing volunteer work with a government organization. Seems to be working wonderfully for them. :)

yup. now there are "stress cards" and other BS. sorry, hate to break it to you, but in battle, there are no such thing!

Exactly are we going to look at an Iraqi or Terrorist and say "Oh wait, (pulls out stress card) You can't shoot me cause I am stressed and you are bothering me":rolleyes

Exactly are we going to look at an Iraqi or Terrorist and say "Oh wait, (pulls out stress card) You can't shoot me cause I am stressed and you are bothering me":rolleyes

OMG!!! I just spit out my coke!!! :lmao

Some of us are still here Steph but I think a few ran off and hid when the "bitch" came out :roflmao

:yes

When my husband was in bootcamp, he was kicked down the stairs by his DI. No one bitched about it then. It was part of the breaking you down and building you back up experience.

Yup! DH's mom and dad both have stories about how tough the CG was when they joined. I thought "Coast Guard, are you serious?" then heard them. My dad rarely ever talks about when he was drafted in the Army but to say that it "was pure hell and something i rather not think about".

well it is true Donna I am sure someone would try it in combat now :teehee

Yes, they signed up voluntarily, but we have been over there waaaaaaaay too long. I think the troops need to come home. And I agree, Bush and all his family and the idiots that support him need to go through boot camp and stand on the damn front lines and get shot at to understand why people are so frustrated and want this war over with. I think he is just blowing smoke out of his ass. :banghead

This "idiot supporter" is married to an "idiot supporter" who serves in our military. Thank you.

While I am tired of the war as well I do not want it in my backyard so that my children and I have to live our everyday lives in fear. Freedom has a very high price.

Some of us are still here Steph but I think a few ran off and hid when the "bitch" came out :roflmao



OH NO... BITCH... WHERE :scared HAHAHAHA!!!


Glad ya'll are still around!!! It would've been really quiet!!!!

yup. now there are "stress cards" and other BS. sorry, hate to break it to you, but in battle, there are no such thing!

I'm waiting for DH to get in trouble for being too mean to the new guys and the "dirty break-ins". His chief likes it b/c it "toughens them up" says the guy randomly tested for steroids once a year (the chief not DH) and looks like Ahhhhnold pre-governor.

lol... glad to see things finally settled down. : )

Wow! I go away to make dinner and eat and I come back to twice as many pages and a damn good debate... and it fizzled out on me AGAIN....


what about the spanking thing now Stacey???? LOL!!!! :hehe :spank

You need one just for leaving! Havent you learned to eat in front of the monitor when theres drama. DH knows when I tell him to join me with the food at the monitor to read SOS with me b/c theres drama. I've only been here since October!

I totally agree
cause when they get to the fleet they can't pull their weight cause damn you hurt my feelings:banghead :rolleyes

You know how many times someone has cried to DHs chief, literally, b/c DH "hurt their feelings. Chief says "toughen up, do your job, i'm not your damn babysitter" . He's meaner then DH! When I met the guy he said to me "congrats on the marriage, i hope you dont expect your new husband to be home much, he has a lot of work to do and i plan on taking up most of his time, i'm his number one" :(

You need one just for leaving! Havent you learned to eat in front of the monitor when theres drama. DH knows when I tell him to join me with the food at the monitor to read SOS with me b/c theres drama. I've only been here since October!


LOL!! We were sitting down in front of the TV because we're trying to get away from our computers a little more to spend more time together! We're doing things together so that it's a joint deal!!! We ate fast though because he wanted to get back to his game and of course you ladies are definitely a high light this evening! LOL!! He had to watch some of his Walker Texas Ranger tonight! LOL!! He's so funny!!! Cracks me up!!!

This "idiot supporter" is married to an "idiot supporter" who serves in our military. Thank you.

While I am tired of the war as well I do not want it in my backyard so that my children and I have to live our everyday lives in fear. Freedom has a very high price.

very well said
This family is full of idiots too :wink

You need one just for leaving! Havent you learned to eat in front of the monitor when theres drama. DH knows when I tell him to join me with the food at the monitor to read SOS with me b/c theres drama. I've only been here since October!

girl you are crazy lol

You know how many times someone has cried to DHs chief, literally, b/c DH "hurt their feelings. Chief says "toughen up, do your job, i'm not your damn babysitter" . He's meaner then DH! When I met the guy he said to me "congrats on the marriage, i hope you dont expect your new husband to be home much, he has a lot of work to do and i plan on taking up most of his time, i'm his number one" :(

Hey atleast he was honest and didn't sugar coat it lol

very well said
This family is full of idiots too :wink

We're a family of idiots!!! My idiot self, my idiot hubby and our idiot dog!!! YAY FOR THE IDIOTS!!!! :wink

I honestly do not think you need to be in complete support of the government in order to support the troops. Flat out, I think they're two seperate issues, yes to coincide with eachother to an extent....however my distaste with Bush has nothing to do with the respect that I have for our troops that are over there risking their lives each and every day for our freedom.

Welll breezy this forum is to talk and support..not to be a BITCH AND TRY AND PROVE PEOPLE WRONG OR RIGHT!!!!!!!! EVERYBODY HAS AN OPINION!!! AND ONE PERSON THAT HAS PM' ME HAS PERSONALLY SAID SOMETHING ABOUT HOW YOUR ALWAYS ON HER ASS ABOUT WRITING FORUMS ...BECAUSE SHE CALLED YOU RUDE!!! BUT I TOTALLY AGREE WITH HER..


Well call me rude as well WHO ARE YOU ? BACK OFF on Breezy she has been around alot longer than you !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've never seen you post before tonite

You ladies need to remember as well that the soldiers and marines and sailors and airmen that are serving our country are serving voluntarily. I don't want to come off as kissing Presidential ass, because I'm not, but he's doing the best he can in the situation he was put in. He's not calling for a draft and he's not dropping A-bombs on the country, but instead he's trying to help the country be strong enough to stabilize itself which in return will help to protect our country in the future because Iraq will be able to stop terrorist organizations before they get strong enough to attack.

:agree This is not going to be a nice post, if you get offended easily PLEASE do not read and then come and jump my ass, if you are entitled to your opinions then so am I.







People need to lay off. I am sorry, I don't care what your opinions of Bush are. He is STILL our president and our troops are still serving voluntarily. I have had enough of these whiny little babies that complain that they hate this and they hate that, well run for president...let's see you do a better job. I am sorry that I am coming off as a bitch but c'mon people get real. You really wanted Kerry to win? The man had over 18 DIFFERENT views on the war. He couldn't make up his mind from day to day, we would be sending troops over there pulling them out and then doing it all over again the next morning. I realize people think that Bush is the one at fault but c'mon he was just dealing with the shit that Clinton got us into. You don't always see the affects of a president until years later....as in the case with Clinton and Bush. Clinton got us into a lot of debt, our economy now sucks and Bush tried to pull us out of it. Also, who cares what he sounds like....do any of you speak in perfect Enlish all the time. I doubt it. Why must ya'll be so judgemental? People frustrate me, did you really think that when you ENLISTED in the MILITARY you wouldn't see any action???? If so, I want to know what fantasy world you are living in because it is so far from reality. Our men and women serve freely, so I personally think it is funny when spouse (not all of them but some of them) and/or girlfriends and fiances sit on their asses back home and whine and complain about it all. I doubt that their man wants to hear how much they hate Bush or how much they hate the war that their man is fighting in....I doubt they really want to hear it. Some may say, well they whine about it...let them! They are the ones fighting it, they are entitled to hate Bush and entitled to hate the war. I love how we Americans jump a President's ass merely because he is trying to protect us in the long run and trying to keep another country safe.

Well said JoyS!!!! I tend to agree !!!

Kerry would have been a joke as well....
I also wanted to throw in, that I realize at this point its kind of late for us to withdraw...it would probably even be ridiculous. With the issues we have with Iran right now, I would think there would be a big threat of Iran taking over Iraq should we withdraw. I do think that Bush is in a shitty position right now, but he dug the hole that he is now sitting in. Gerald Ford said with the information that Bush had, he would not have entered Iraq the way Bush did, and I have to agree he jumped the gun

I'm not even going to comment on how I feel....this post shouldn't have been started since, based on the 16 pages of posts, we can't debate in a mature manner about this topic.

[QUOTE][Well I know this will piss some people off, but my husband and i just watched a replay, and 21,000 is it really enough? It has been said NO. Send 50,000 and get it done....I think they SHOULD instill the draft, why sit here and draw welfare, when you can earn the governments money. Kids both male & female who do not have a career path, are not going to college, and have some brains left should have to serve. At least 2 years, what would that hurt???? I think it would make for a stronger US, not one where kids think all should be handed too them. Just my opinon./QUOTE]

Heidi I agree with you 100% here.

thanks Brenda
JOYS you said it well

The United Stated has been a stong force in the Gulf region since "The Gulf War" while i amy not agree 100% with Bush, he is our President and doing a decent job. If we just uproot and pull ou timmediately what will that solve nothing. Some of the war yes may be over oil, but not all. It is about terrorisom. Think of all that we lost in 9/11... I did loose a friend, but many others lost husbands, wives, children, lovers, employees, and yes friends. we are trying to teach democrocy, we're fighting for what is right. We did not ask to be attacked, but we were. How would you feel if you had to live like the do in Iraq??? No freedoms. Freedoms we take for granted. I am not for war, but I beleive this is just. If I personally could go over I would. I would love to say Yes, I did my part. I am doing my part here. I am a NAVY wife and a strong supporter of my husband and all of our military brothers and sisters in arms... HOORAH, SAILORS, SOILDERS, & MARINES

Very well said Heidi!!!

Well I know this will piss some people off, but my husband and i just watched a replay, and 21,000 is it really enough? It has been said NO. Send 50,000 and get it done....I think they SHOULD instill the draft, why sit here and draw welfare, when you can earn the governments money. Kids both male & female who do not have a career path, are not going to college, and have some brains left should have to serve. At least 2 years, what would that hurt???? I think it would make for a stronger US, not one where kids think all should be handed too them. Just my opinon.

Again, I applaud you! I fully agree.

I don't know when all of this thread was started but i swear i have read some of this before.

My friend Tyler was killed in combat. He used to email his wife as much as he could. And if a few emails he mentioned the children. I remember given the privlege of reading an email and it said.

"I believe in the reason of us being here. Babe, it would break your heart to see these kids. I'm so proud to call myself a United States Marine. I can die for these children. they have spirit in them that can knock down walls. Just imagine what we can do for these children with that kind of spirit. They look up to us babe, and i owe it to them to have faith in their future."

My friend sent me the email after he was killed. I got angry real quick after he died. And she never got angry about the war and how he died and i couldn't understand. Then when she sent me the email i bawled like a baby. Tyler was amazing and he tought me to look at things in a different way.

This war to me is about life and freedom. Not oil or my time with my husband. Even though it is scary to know i would never see him again, At least i know who he did it for. Not only me and our children. But the MANY children who can change the world.

KWIM

bush is just an idiot, plain and simple...more troops=dumb move!

very well said Kindra

Posting my view on the war would be pointless because the only debate against what I would say seems to be 'Bush is an idiot'. :rolleyes

Rather than posting my view, I will say this:
I think it is important to remember that no president can ever be accurately rated during his time in office. It is usually only 40-50 years AFTER a president is in office that we can truely view how a president did. The present is full of heated tension, especially from a military SO site, because the war is occuring right now . An example would be the Kennedy administration. Sure, at the time people thought he was a God. Now, several years later, it's easier to see that while he could have been great, he did not actually accomplish much during his too short duty as President.

The same could be true for Bush. Sure, now many people so eloquently call him an 'idiot', but years from now? My point is that you have to look at the long run...looking at the present is just as bad as looking toward the past. :shrug

Please remember, you all are bashing and pissed at Bush, but he only follows the advice of his advisors. The decisions are NEVER his alone!!!

Please remember, you all are bashing and pissed at Bush, but he only follows the advice of his advisors. The decisions are NEVER his alone!!!

:thumbsup It's the entire administration that helps him decide!

Heidi and missinghim both make very good points. I think the same way but what can we do about it now? Can't hardly vote him out of office......all we can do is ride it out and hope, if you think he's not that good of a president, that we get a better one. President Bush was behind the 8 ball almost from the first day of him being president. I am neither republican nor democrat, I vote for the person I believe will do the best job and is pro military. I can just hope and pray that the next president will do a good job. There are days I feel like :hairout and doing :duh as if to say, what are you thinking, which ultimately makes me like this :nutts :mumble :banghead :screwy

Posting my view on the war would be pointless because the only debate against what I would say seems to be 'Bush is an idiot'. :rolleyes

Rather than posting my view, I will say this:
I think it is important to remember that no president can ever be accurately rated during his time in office. It is usually only 40-50 years AFTER a president is in office that we can truely view how a president did. The present is full of heated tension, especially from a military SO site, because the war is occuring right now . An example would be the Kennedy administration. Sure, at the time people thought he was a God. Now, several years later, it's easier to see that while he could have been great, he did not actually accomplish much during his too short duty as President.

The same could be true for Bush. Sure, now many people so eloquently call him an 'idiot', but years from now? My point is that you have to look at the long run...looking at the present is just as bad as looking toward the past. :shrug

:yes

In my American government class and world history class, we were taught that "One cannot measure the true impact a single even can have on life until 20...30....40...50....and more years later. To try and say at 5 years that something is of no impact is to call oneself a waste of space."
I don't remember who said it, other than my history professor, but I think it is one of the most profound statements for all of us to think about.

haha... I just saw these, and HAD to use them... :D

:deadhorse :grouphug :catfight

ok im freakin out! First of all i have all hated bush i've never agreed with anything he's done in office but now this bs about sending 20k more troops hits me the hardest bcuz my husband will be on one of the 2 carriers going he just got back from a 6 month deployment and its not fair i cant do this. I think i finally reached my breaking point out of the 2 years that we have been together i think we have only spent like 8 months together and out of the year that we have been married weve spent like 4 months together its not fair and i know im not the only going through this so can you guys help me out do you have any advice for me

I have an opinion but Im going to keep it to myself...Every single time this is mentioned I feel that its very one sided and people get on your butt or you are uninformed on it. But there is nothing to do but wait until his end of term to vote.

i agree w/everyone...but i look at it another view. i want this war over too, but i know it's not that simple and it's not gonna happen. not w/Bush and not w/another president. i don't think taking Bush out of office will end this war.

i just want it to end...adding more people may and may not help this task. we can only wait, hope, pray, and be there for one another during this time.

good luck to all those over there, and who will be over there one pt in time.

:banghead :deadhorse :tsktsk :blahblah :talking

ok im freakin out! First of all i have all hated bush i've never agreed with anything he's done in office but now this bs about sending 20k more troops hits me the hardest bcuz my husband will be on one of the 2 carriers going he just got back from a 6 month deployment and its not fair i cant do this. I think i finally reached my breaking point out of the 2 years that we have been together i think we have only spent like 8 months together and out of the year that we have been married weve spent like 4 months together its not fair and i know im not the only going through this so can you guys help me out do you have any advice for me

Eiv you got me here now, you know that. This time will be different :hugs

I understand ya'll being upset. I truly do. I mean I been there done that when the war started. My husband deployed in July of 2002. He was due hom in January. TWENTY days before returning home they were extended INDEFINATY. I was upset, hurt, couldnt believe it etc. And no it wasnt my first deployment. I had done several prior to it. They ended up being out there over 10 months. They didnt come until May....It happens. Its part of the life. As I said I understand being upset but at the same time we need to support our spouses. Yes our spouses would rather be home but in that same sense many of them feel a strong sense of duty. And would go willingly if asked. Your human and to be upset your spouse is gone is very very normal. Do I love deployments? No. DO I like them? No Its a neccasry evil tho in this lifestyle. 1 I have learned to cope with. But everyone does cope differently.

No 2 people are going to agree on this war. Everyone will of formed their own opinions on it. Hell I get into debates about this with my dad. He is very very democratic and is very pissed at me for voting for a republican president. I NEVER hear the end of that one.....Our president can not do things on his own. His adminstration helps form his opions and the things he does. To soley blame him is kinda wrong. He does have a secretary of defense that advises him on things etc. If your not happy with the way he runs things then be sure to really research and vote next go around. But I can assure you that whomever is elected will still be advised and dealing with the Iraq situation as well. We HAVE to finish what we started. What kind of message does it send that we go blow crap up and then say ok, see ya. Have fun! That would be a terrible message. I did vote for Bush. I can freely admit that. Both times I did. Did I love him? No. But I researched the hell out of the candidates and voted for the lesser of 2 evils. For whom I felt would do the best job between the 2 candidates.

Yes alot of Iraqis want us out. But alot are happy we are there too. The thing is kinda like when my husband was extended and the war started....The debate on whether the war was right or not was over. Now was the time to support my husbands job no matter what he was ordered to do. Because we are at war now. Its done. Its happening. So rather then get upset daily about it I just accept it and hope for a means to an end when we can safely pull our troops out of there. It doesnt mean I gotta like it tho!!

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People need to lay off. I am sorry, I don't care what your opinions of Bush are. He is STILL our president and our troops are still serving voluntarily. I have had enough of these whiny little babies that complain that they hate this and they hate that, well run for president...let's see you do a better job. I am sorry that I am coming off as a bitch but c'mon people get real. You really wanted Kerry to win? The man had over 18 DIFFERENT views on the war. He couldn't make up his mind from day to day, we would be sending troops over there pulling them out and then doing it all over again the next morning. I realize people think that Bush is the one at fault but c'mon he was just dealing with the shit that Clinton got us into. You don't always see the affects of a president until years later....as in the case with Clinton and Bush. Clinton got us into a lot of debt, our economy now sucks and Bush tried to pull us out of it. Also, who cares what he sounds like....do any of you speak in perfect Enlish all the time. I doubt it. Why must ya'll be so judgemental? People frustrate me, did you really think that when you ENLISTED in the MILITARY you wouldn't see any action???? If so, I want to know what fantasy world you are living in because it is so far from reality. Our men and women serve freely, so I personally think it is funny when spouse (not all of them but some of them) and/or girlfriends and fiances sit on their asses back home and whine and complain about it all. I doubt that their man wants to hear how much they hate Bush or how much they hate the war that their man is fighting in....I doubt they really want to hear it. Some may say, well they whine about it...let them! They are the ones fighting it, they are entitled to hate Bush and entitled to hate the war. I love how we Americans jump a President's ass merely because he is trying to protect us in the long run and trying to keep another country safe.

Great post JoyS. I can't agree more.

I don't know when all of this thread was started but i swear i have read some of this before.

My friend Tyler was killed in combat. He used to email his wife as much as he could. And if a few emails he mentioned the children. I remember given the privlege of reading an email and it said.

"I believe in the reason of us being here. Babe, it would break your heart to see these kids. I'm so proud to call myself a United States Marine. I can die for these children. they have spirit in them that can knock down walls. Just imagine what we can do for these children with that kind of spirit. They look up to us babe, and i owe it to them to have faith in their future."

My friend sent me the email after he was killed. I got angry real quick after he died. And she never got angry about the war and how he died and i couldn't understand. Then when she sent me the email i bawled like a baby. Tyler was amazing and he tought me to look at things in a different way.

This war to me is about life and freedom. Not oil or my time with my husband. Even though it is scary to know i would never see him again, At least i know who he did it for. Not only me and our children. But the MANY children who can change the world.

KWIM

Kindra, this was very touching. Thank you for writing that.

All I heard in that speech was a lot of fluff and making what he wants as convincing as possible. Next year he'll want another 20K guys, because we'll still there, with no change except a higher body count. :gaah :rant

I completely agree with this. It seems like you and I have very similar standpoints on this issue. :)

Well im posting with out reading the the pages and pages of posts but IMO the job needs to get done. I don't intirely agree with sending so many troops over there but we can't get them (Iraq) to the place they are now and then say well its been great catch ya later. They would crumble and then some one else would come in and be just like saddam.

I do wonder though, if Bush is so willing to send so many troops to help out this one country why not help others that are being terrorized by their fellow counrty men? Like some of the African nations.

Well im posting with out reading the the pages and pages of posts but IMO the job needs to get done. I don't intirely agree with sending so many troops over there but we can't get them (Iraq) to the place they are now and then say well its been great catch ya later. They would crumble and then some one else would come in and be just like saddam.

I do wonder though, if Bush is so willing to send so many troops to help out this one country why not help others that are being terrorized by their fellow counrty men? Like some of the African nations.

I have wondered the same thing also. I don't see why Iraq is so much better or different than Africa. :shrug Then again, I guess I'm not "in the know" so maybe I don't know enough of the details.

Well im posting with out reading the the pages and pages of posts but IMO the job needs to get done. I don't intirely agree with sending so many troops over there but we can't get them (Iraq) to the place they are now and then say well its been great catch ya later. They would crumble and then some one else would come in and be just like saddam.

I do wonder though, if Bush is so willing to send so many troops to help out this one country why not help others that are being terrorized by their fellow counrty men? Like some of the African nations.

I'm not for bush but I just wanted to say that we do have troops in Africa. My best friends hubby is navy he does something secret but he's been in africa since July he is home rihgt now on 2wk r&r and goes back till July. So we have ppl their too we just dont' hear about it.

Sitting there pointing fingers at Bush is not going to help. If we had a different president right now, we'd be blaming him also.

The point of the matter is that we are IN a war like it or not. What good is going to come out of dwelling on whether it's right or wrong or how we could have avoided it in the first place? It's pointless to waste time and energy bitching. After all, it's not going to help anything. I'm sure there's alot of things going on in the war and the world that we do not know about. There's probably factors that are influencing Bush to do what he's doing that we are not entitled to hear about just yet.

The best thing we can do is support our troops-plain and simple.

great point!Posting my view on the war would be pointless because the only debate against what I would say seems to be 'Bush is an idiot'. :rolleyes

Rather than posting my view, I will say this:
I think it is important to remember that no president can ever be accurately rated during his time in office. It is usually only 40-50 years AFTER a president is in office that we can truely view how a president did. The present is full of heated tension, especially from a military SO site, because the war is occuring right now . An example would be the Kennedy administration. Sure, at the time people thought he was a God. Now, several years later, it's easier to see that while he could have been great, he did not actually accomplish much during his too short duty as President.

The same could be true for Bush. Sure, now many people so eloquently call him an 'idiot', but years from now? My point is that you have to look at the long run...looking at the present is just as bad as looking toward the past. :shrug

ok im freakin out! First of all i have all hated bush i've never agreed with anything he's done in office but now this bs about sending 20k more troops hits me the hardest bcuz my husband will be on one of the 2 carriers going he just got back from a 6 month deployment and its not fair i cant do this. I think i finally reached my breaking point out of the 2 years that we have been together i think we have only spent like 8 months together and out of the year that we have been married weve spent like 4 months together its not fair and i know im not the only going through this so can you guys help me out do you have any advice for me

My only advice is
LIFE ISN'T FAIR
and you got with him AFTER this "conflict" started did you not think it would happen to you?
Hopefully that is tactful enough.

Very well said KrisitI understand ya'll being upset. I truly do. I mean I been there done that when the war started. My husband deployed in July of 2002. He was due hom in January. TWENTY days before returning home they were extended INDEFINATY. I was upset, hurt, couldnt believe it etc. And no it wasnt my first deployment. I had done several prior to it. They ended up being out there over 10 months. They didnt come until May....It happens. Its part of the life. As I said I understand being upset but at the same time we need to support our spouses. Yes our spouses would rather be home but in that same sense many of them feel a strong sense of duty. And would go willingly if asked. Your human and to be upset your spouse is gone is very very normal. Do I love deployments? No. DO I like them? No Its a neccasry evil tho in this lifestyle. 1 I have learned to cope with. But everyone does cope differently.

No 2 people are going to agree on this war. Everyone will of formed their own opinions on it. Hell I get into debates about this with my dad. He is very very democratic and is very pissed at me for voting for a republican president. I NEVER hear the end of that one.....Our president can not do things on his own. His adminstration helps form his opions and the things he does. To soley blame him is kinda wrong. He does have a secretary of defense that advises him on things etc. If your not happy with the way he runs things then be sure to really research and vote next go around. But I can assure you that whomever is elected will still be advised and dealing with the Iraq situation as well. We HAVE to finish what we started. What kind of message does it send that we go blow crap up and then say ok, see ya. Have fun! That would be a terrible message. I did vote for Bush. I can freely admit that. Both times I did. Did I love him? No. But I researched the hell out of the candidates and voted for the lesser of 2 evils. For whom I felt would do the best job between the 2 candidates.

Yes alot of Iraqis want us out. But alot are happy we are there too. The thing is kinda like when my husband was extended and the war started....The debate on whether the war was right or not was over. Now was the time to support my husbands job no matter what he was ordered to do. Because we are at war now. Its done. Its happening. So rather then get upset daily about it I just accept it and hope for a means to an end when we can safely pull our troops out of there. It doesnt mean I gotta like it tho!!

Well im posting with out reading the the pages and pages of posts but IMO the job needs to get done. I don't intirely agree with sending so many troops over there but we can't get them (Iraq) to the place they are now and then say well its been great catch ya later. They would crumble and then some one else would come in and be just like saddam.

I do wonder though, if Bush is so willing to send so many troops to help out this one country why not help others that are being terrorized by their fellow counrty men? Like some of the African nations.

Very well said Heather
and for the record there are troops in Africa RIGHT NOW
DHs old unit is there. It just hasn't escelated as much though

I'm not for bush but I just wanted to say that we do have troops in Africa. My best friends hubby is navy he does something secret but he's been in africa since July he is home rihgt now on 2wk r&r and goes back till July. So we have ppl their too we just dont' hear about it.

thank you!!!!!
We aren't supposed to be in the KNOW
But I completely agree we are doing what we can!

WOW I just read through all 20 pages and have several thoughts on the matter some of which I'm sure have been stated but I will state them anyway.

1)If you are in the military you joined voluntarily. Nobody forced y