Are you for or against it and why?
We had Erik circumcized, and this little guy will be as well....I heard it helps prevent infections from stuff getting stuck between the skin. I know it can be painful, but when Erik has his done his doctor was sooo good that Erik stayed sleeping.

Just curious on everyone's opinions.

when i eventually have kids, if i have any boys, they will be circumcised. for the same reasons, the health reasons.

I'm all for it-Its healthier in the long run & we all want what we feel is the best for our sons right?;)

I don't have kids but if I had a son I wouldn't do it.
Infections can be prevented by simply washing.
The policy to circumcise every boy is a fairly new one, the penis in it's original state seemed to work just fine for the majority of history.

I don't like the concept of chopping things off and I would want my son to have maximum sexual enjoyment when he gets older (an uncircumcised penis is supossed to be more sensitive)

from all the evidence i've read there's really nothing that swayed me either way. they've actually said that there's no proof that an uncircumcised penis is any more sensitive, no proof that circumcision has any major health benefits.

all that said i had hayden circumcised. personally i felt it would be cleaner and easier to take care of. i left the decision up to jason mostly since he was the one with a penis :hehe and he wanted to have it done as well. it didn't seem to bother hayden. they gave him a local anesthetic and he was just fine. i really don't think it's some barbaric thing that those against it make it out to be.

We plan to have this little boy done....I had never really thought about it until we found out we had a boy on the way but dh and I both agree it is best from many different aspects ;)

I had my son done and if we ever have anthoer boy he will also get it done.

both of mine are and it was something that we felt was best for our sons

I don't have kids but if I had a son I wouldn't do it.
Infections can be prevented by simply washing.

I agree. In the UK the practice of circumcision isn't observed, unless there's a genuine medical need for it. I dont think I could bear putting my kid through it without good reason.

Ethan is.

Yeah infections can be prevented by washing but they are still more prone. A friend of mine who's son isnt always deals with UTI's in her son. And she is very clean. She would change his diapers hourly, he is now potty trained etc. But she doesn't regret it because her hubby isn't. Could have nothing to do with the fact he isnt circumsized but..she firmly believes in NOT circumsizing and she did mention to me that I can get away with not changing Ethan as frequently since he is circumsized and her son isnt...

FOr ROd and I it really wasnt much of a discussion. Rod is so we wanted our son to be. They gave Ethan a local, he was none the wiser, it healed fast etc. Honestly I am the one who was upset about it. He didn't even really cry. They took hima way, gave him tylenol and a local, did it, brought him back and that was that. He wasn't any more fussy, wasn't upset etc.

Honestly, even tho I have been with men before my dh...I had actually never seen an uncircumsized penis until I was reading thru one of my pregnancy books.

It boils down to personal decision. Don't knock my decision for circumsizing and I wont knock yours for not..kwim? I don;t say nothing to my friend and she has learned to not say anything to me. It was her decision for her son, and my decision for mine. I have no regrets and if we have another boy we will also circumsize.

We had Aaron done the day after he was born, it din't hurt him he just layed there for the doctor and even if it did hurt him he doens't remember it now anyways. Adam and I both agreed we wanted this done for him. Plus it is easier to keep him clean down there.

I'm all for it-Its healthier in the long run & we all want what we feel is the best for our sons right?;)


DITTO!!

Also, let me add that a uncircumcized penis does have a bad odor. When I was watching this little boy last year, he was not circumcised, and let me tell you...it had schmegma green stuff and smelled horrible. I would bring it up to the parents, but they were like "Well, we wash it" :shock :rolleyes

OMG Sarah I watched 2 kids in SC that were not. They were very clean but it was just something we felt best for our boys. And I am still friends with their mother we never talked about it actually :D

They have found that there is no medical reason for circumcision now.

However all 3 of my boys are circumcized. My husband is and I did my first son under the belief that it was cleaner (and just the fact that I think it's better) so after that I don't see why I WOULDN'T get all my boys circumsized.

If I had a son, I would definitely do it

My son is done, we both just felt like it was what was best for him.

Well from having to actually assist in the surgery to have an adult circumsized I am definately going to have my son done at birth.

Yes, my son is. I will admit it is purely for social reasons. My DH is, and I wanted my son, and my DH to be the "same" down there. There is evidence to suggest there is a higher occurence of UTIs on baby boys that are not, but that really didn't affect my decision.

.it had schmegma green stuff and smelled horrible. I would bring it up to the parents, but they were like "Well, we wash it" :shock :rolleyes

apparently they don't clean it very well. eww. but yea, i would circumcise because it's easier to keep clean not just when I'm cleaning him but when he starts cleaning himself. from DH's perspective, it's a religious thing anyway (he's Jewish).

All 3 of my boys are. I just didn't want to have to rely on them as they get older to keep it clean. There is only so long you can help your boy out in the bath tub and for two I did not want them to grow older and decide that they wanted to have it done because I have heard that is much more painful when they are older. None of my boys cried at all, the twins actually slept through theirs.

Before we found out the sex, I had done a lot of thinking about this issue.

I actually wasn't sure what I would want to do. I was torn between both issues.

There really is no reason to get circumsized, if you do research. If you show him how to clean the area, he won't get infections.

It's just a personal choice, I guess.

I think it's mainly about "looks" if you get down to it. Whether it's b/c you believe majority of boys are that way or if you want him to look like Dad.

DITTO!!

Also, let me add that a uncircumcized penis does have a bad odor.

:lmao

Not all do ;)

She probably wasn't cleaning them thoroughly.

i did it to my son at 3 weeks old. It didnt bother him as bad as I thought it would.

Bradley is but only because DH wanted them to "match". Personally, I don't see any reason to do it. Also, we have had tons of problems with adhesion and ever time he has to be "peeled back" it kills me. Tons of pain and crying...not to mention the bleeding.

Bradley is but only because DH wanted them to "match". Personally, I don't see any reason to do it. Also, we have had tons of problems with adhesion and ever time he has to be "peeled back" it kills me. Tons of pain and crying...not to mention the bleeding.

:worried Poor guy! I've heard stories like that...:(

:worried Poor guy! I've heard stories like that...:(


Yeah he has not had an easy lot in life and that's just one more thing that I really wish we could avoid. Now that he's snipped though we have to keep it pulled back to avoid problems when he starts having erections.

I don't know if anyone brought this up...and I don't have a boy so I haven't had to make the decision...but here's my take as a woman.

Every man I've ever had sex with was circumsized. I would be a little wierded out when faced with an uncircumsized penis. I know it's normal, I know it's natural, but in all honesty, it would throw me off. I am being completely forthcoming here and don't y'all jump on me just because of my opinion. I think that, because it's so prevalent to be circumsized, it would actually work against him in the sexual arena. I would hate to have my son teased in high school because all the girls want to see his wierd penis...not that I condone premarital sex in high school :rofl But let's get real.

Well...you know...some guys would think it to be COOL if all the girls wanted to see his penis. :hehe

schmegma

Sarah, could you please provide a definition?? :rofl

I don't know if anyone brought this up...and I don't have a boy so I haven't had to make the decision...but here's my take as a woman.

Every man I've ever had sex with was circumsized. I would be a little wierded out when faced with an uncircumsized penis. I know it's normal, I know it's natural, but in all honesty, it would throw me off. I am being completely forthcoming here and don't y'all jump on me just because of my opinion. I think that, because it's so prevalent to be circumsized, it would actually work against him in the sexual arena. I would hate to have my son teased in high school because all the girls want to see his wierd penis...not that I condone premarital sex in high school :rofl But let's get real.

Well...you know...some guys would think it to be COOL if all the girls wanted to see his penis. :hehe

:lmao :lmao Good point

I'm going to be real open here.

I've seen 2 uncircumsized penises. Before seeing them, I always thought it'd be so weird and gross to be stuck w/ a guy like that. :oops Well, the first one I seen grossed me out but the 2nd one, I didn't even realize he wasn't circumsized as when their erect, the skin pulls back so you can't even tell.

And neither smelled, Sarah :hehe

It's really not gross...but I can see why many women are turned off by one as it's really not considered "normal" in our society. However, I think this technique is becoming more and more normal.

Trent is not and i knew from the beginning that it would not happen. he is my son also and it is my job to protect him. dh wanted it done but he refuse to be in the room with him. he actually wanted it done while he was out to sea:mad there is no "special" way of cleaning it. you DONT retract it or anything. it is just like washing your hands and brushing your teeth. i would not imagine removing any part of his body from him. it is like removing something from my daughter because it is easier to clean.

i read an article while i was pregnant that 50% of boys are now leaving the hospital still intact.

sorry this is very sore subject with me. i am stepping off my soapbox now

My DH is, and I wanted my son, and my DH to be the "same" down there.

Me too
Both of our boys are and if we have another he will be too.

Gavin is. I pretty much left it up to Phillip, since he was a guy, ans would know. We also did it so Phillip and Gavin would look the same down there.

i read an article while i was pregnant that 50% of boys are now leaving the hospital still intact.



More boys are leaving the hospital in tact than 5 years ago, BUT a very good portion of those boys are having it done at the ped's office within the first three weeks. Insurance policies and rates play a big part in that.

Jaxon is done, any future boys will be done. From the research I've done, there is no FACTUAL evidence that shows whether it's better one way or the other. There are studies that show why it could be better to be cut or not, but new research is done every day to contradict the claims that have been made about both opinions.

I think you take a risk of your son feeling weird or different or better or worse no matter which option you choose. Maybe he will appreciate the fact that you didn't have him cut, but then again maybe he will wish he had it done when he was a baby because of all the complications that come along with getting it done as an adult. Maybe he will be upset and regretful that you had him cut as a baby because he feels like he might be missing out on some sort of feeling during intercourse. You just really never know for sure how your boy will feel about it, so I say make the decision that you feel is right in your heart. We make every other decision for our babies from when to start solid foods to what color shoes to wear, this is just another one that every parent has a right to decide on without being made to feel like a lesser parent for making it.

I don't know if anyone brought this up...and I don't have a boy so I haven't had to make the decision...but here's my take as a woman.

Every man I've ever had sex with was circumsized. I would be a little wierded out when faced with an uncircumsized penis. I know it's normal, I know it's natural, but in all honesty, it would throw me off. I am being completely forthcoming here and don't y'all jump on me just because of my opinion. I think that, because it's so prevalent to be circumsized, it would actually work against him in the sexual arena. I would hate to have my son teased in high school because all the girls want to see his wierd penis...not that I condone premarital sex in high school :rofl But let's get real.

Well...you know...some guys would think it to be COOL if all the girls wanted to see his penis. :hehe


I completely agree with everything said. To be honest, the first time I ever saw a uncircumsized penis was a few weeks ago because I was curious to what it looked like. It freaked me out. That is just me though.

My opinion...

What looks normal/natural for some, looks totally unnatural to others. You and your husband need to make that decision on your own. I believe it is a very personal decision to make. No matter what seems "culturally right" or "normal" these days, because everything and everyone is culturally different and normal in their own ways, it doesn't make it right or wrong.
And honestly, once he's an adult and having his penis be the way it is and has been his whole life, I don't think it will matter to him. I really doubt men go around checking each other out to see who is or isn't circumcized. lol.

Yep I agree. Totally personal decision. Like I said before. Don't knock me because I did it and I wont knock you because you didn't/. Ticks me off when people are rude to me because I did. I doubt very much others would like it if we were rude to them for not doing it. He's my son. It's a decision we made. And one we are happy with. You can find a ton of research out there to support it. Just like you can find a ton of research not supporting it. All the research boils down to is difference in opinion as well.. ;)

I had all my boy's circumsized I think it is better for them. My 14 yr old step-son just had it done last year..he wanted it done because he was so self consience of it.

My 14 yr old step-son just had it done last year..he wanted it done because he was so self consience of it.


if trent gets old enough and wants it done then that is fine. i rather him make that decision then be upset with me because i made it

I was watching Dr. 90210 the other night. A dr on there had her son circumsized. That poor baby was screaming his lungs out. They had it done at their house by a rabbi.
My son is circumsized. I didn't do any reseach on it before having it done. I just said yes when they asked if I wanted it done. Either way, is fine to me.
My husband isn't. I haven't heard of any infections.

P.S. My husband's penis doesn't smell bad. It doesn't even taste bad.

My husband and son aren't circumcised. We did a lot of research and asked our pediatrician what her recommendation was. She told us that unless we had a religious reason for circumcision, then she would recommend that we not have him circumcised because there was absolutely no medical reason for it. As far as statistics go, it's pretty much 50/50 these days. Just as many parents are choosing circumcision as those that choose not to circumcise. She also let us know that in her 15 years experience as a pediatrician that she has actually seen more boys with infections that ARE circumcised. I remember seeing her at our son's first check up after he was born and she took a look at it and said "Oh, good. You decided to keep him the way God made him." And I am happy that we didn't do it. I feel like we made a good decision.
I don't have to do anything special to clean my son's penis, just soap and water. His foreskin is still attached, so it doesn't retract all the way yet. that's normal. My husband has been teaching our son how to clean himself and we haven't had any problems (he's 6).

I completely agree with everything said. To be honest, the first time I ever saw a uncircumsized penis was a few weeks ago because I was curious to what it looked like. It freaked me out. That is just me though.
I'm the opposite - the first circumsised penis I ever saw was df's, and it weirded me out a little. It looked like a mushroom! (he's gonna kill me if he ever reads this)

our son isn't circumsised, that was just a choice that we made together, I didn't really think it was necessaryand he is no worse for wear. No UTI's or any of the other problems they say happen.

We didn't do it to our son. I just think its mean. Im not knockin anyone who did it, its just how I feel. Our son was born perfect and we didn't feel the need to change that. My husband is not and hes not gross with green oozy stuff or any nasty smell. He looks normal to me. I think a guy would be more worried about his size or shape than the skin thats there or not there. I've been with guys that are cut and to me it feels just the same. I wasnt weirded out or anything.

To each his own right?

If you've seen my sig on Cinc, you know where I stand on it. :lol :) Though I initially assumed I would, once I researched/debated it, I've come full swing. I would never, ever cut any normal part of my son's body off without a true medical problem that cannot be solved another way.

If *he* wants to when he's of legal age, that's his business and I would support him. We've never had a problem with it (I mean, it's a penis! Not rocket science).

Oddly, Jared asked me the other day why Daddy is circumcized and he's not (Mommy, why doens't Daddy have a foreskin?). Well - because when Daddy was a baby they thought all boys should be because of potential medical benefit. Now they know that's not neccisarily true and no longer reccomend it so we left you alone. (Oh, OK Mom). Easy peasy. :)

Well I used to think it was the best thing but now I know better. And I truly regret having my son circ'd. If I had my way, I'd turn back time & not do it again.

I feel that it is mutilation! We would never do that to a female, why should a male have to experience it?

I have such guilt over this & probably will forever. :(

i think the reason most people do it is its because of hygiene reasons and some do it because of religious reasons. I have had all 3 of my boys done and would do it again. I really get kinda grossed out by the thought of having sex with a man who is not circumsized. thats just my opinion though. i just think its the best thing to do for my boys and for the man im married to.

I disagree. In this day and age I think it is most often done simply because that is "the norm". If you polled 100 men like 95 would be circ'ed. Hygenically there isn't that much difference and once errect they look the same circ'ed or not.

I am for it.. DH was against it.. we asked the doctor to give us until that night to discuss it... but then he forgot to pass the word on to the next doctor that we were talking, so they did it anyway lol.. but, ive read it prevents infections.. not all, but it helps.. im glad we did.. his ped now says the doc did a wonderful job!!

I feel that it is mutilation! We would never do that to a female, why should a male have to experience it?



Well I guess I mutilated my son :rolleyes

So how many people here that disagree with circing your son have opted to or agree with piercing their daughters ears? While it may not totally be the same thing you are still inflicting pain, it is still changing that portion of the body, and yes even tho the hole can close there is usually a scar or telltale sign that the area was pierced, therefor changing the appearance of the ear......No medical reason for ear piercing. It is cosmetic. Now..Granted when your daughter is older they can opt to let the hole close so their ear is no longer pierced. BUT that scar will still be there in 90% of the cases.

I'm sorry. I have tried to be nice. I have tried to boil it down to personal preference, I have even tried stating that no matter what you look for as far as research goes you will find it. If I look for reasons why to circ and you look for reasons not to circ of course you will find all the "medical" evidence of why NOT to and I will find all the medical eveidence of why TO. It's all in what you look for. And yes I know this is a debate and yes I know debates aren't "always" nice :D

But just because I circ'd my son doesnt mean I love him any less then anyone else. I did what I felt right just as those who dont believe in it did what they felt right. Yes I do believe it is more hygenic and you may believe it is not. Thats fine. That is YOUR decision as YOUR childs mommy. But the research I found that helped ME make up MY mind as a mommy to my son stated that there is medical evidence still as to why it should be done..Plus I wanted him to match my husband and my dh wanted this as well :dunno

I don't know if anyone brought this up...and I don't have a boy so I haven't had to make the decision...but here's my take as a woman.

Every man I've ever had sex with was circumsized. I would be a little wierded out when faced with an uncircumsized penis. I know it's normal, I know it's natural, but in all honesty, it would throw me off. I am being completely forthcoming here and don't y'all jump on me just because of my opinion. I think that, because it's so prevalent to be circumsized, it would actually work against him in the sexual arena. I would hate to have my son teased in high school because all the girls want to see his wierd penis...not that I condone premarital sex in high school :rofl But let's get real.

Well...you know...some guys would think it to be COOL if all the girls wanted to see his penis. :hehe


:lmao

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Okay, yes, I admit it. This is one of the reasons we did it. I know, go ahead everyone- throw stones, but until I give birth to YOUR child I'll do what I like with my own.
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I have to say, it is easier to care for a circumsized baby boy, than an uncircumsized boy. I have personal experience with my son (circ.) and my nephew (uncirc.) and THAT is what I base that opinion on.
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We wanted our son to match Daddy.

It all boils down to personal preference. There is no right or wrong way to this. For someone to adamantley say, "this is wrong" or "this is right" is pure stupidity.

So how many people here that disagree with circing your son have opted to or agree with piercing their daughters ears

Nope, I'll never pierce her ears for my preference. I *will* admit though, that the thought crossed my mind, for about a nanosecond. But it was there. :)

I'm the most die hard "leave the boy alone" out there - one of them anyway. I believe and trust though that NO parent when circing their son mean to deliberately cause harm.

I *do* take issue with the parents that never looked into a permanent, gential altering surgery on an unconsenting newborn without fully reseraching it first, and being their childs advocate and insisting on the highest level of pain management. So many just go into it blind, really. What pain releif was given? What technique was used? etc...

Sheesh, even Consumer Reports comments on unneccesary surgeries, circing is one of 10 mentioned. !!!

Irish, what was hard about caring for the intact boy? They need nothing until they're old enough to pull it back themselves and clean. (It's just like a girl, don't clean inside, causes more harm than good).

It's like cleaning your finger, that's not hard at all. ???

But just because I circ'd my son doesnt mean I love him any less then anyone else. I did what I felt right just as those who dont believe in it did what they felt right. Yes I do believe it is more hygenic and you may believe it is not. Thats fine. That is YOUR decision as YOUR childs mommy. But the research I found that helped ME make up MY mind as a mommy to my son stated that there is medical evidence still as to why it should be done..Plus I wanted him to match my husband and my dh wanted this as well :dunno

I don't understand why you are being so defensive? I don't recall any one saying you loved your son any less because you circ'd him. I must have missed that part! :dunno

But I still stand by what I believe. I mutilated my son & I feel like crap for doing so. I wish I hadn't have been so naive when he was born & just went with the 'norm.'

If you feel at peace & comfortable with your decision, then good for you! I personally am not at peace with what we had done to our son.

Yes this is a debate & not everyone is going to agree. I think we all have stated our opinions quite nicely. I don't see anyone attacking each other just simply stating what they feel was best.

I don't understand why you are being so defensive? I don't recall any one saying you loved your son any less because you circ'd him. I must have missed that part! :dunno




Nope not defensive and nope noone did say I loved my son any less. (Although I do admit I do tend to get defensive when people call it cruel, useless, mean, mutilation, cutting your child, etc etc especially since I have been trying to stress that it really is a personal decision. I dont like people assuming that I did something "wrong" Just as I am sure people that dont circ do not like to be veiwed as if they did something wrong. We are all protective of our children plain and simple...) My point is that We ALL love our children no matter what. We ALL do what we feel is best for our children. Period. Difference in parenting. Which will always be around. Was just purely making a point is all. You may parent 1 way, and so and so may parent a different way and I may parent a different way but we all love our children..plain and simple...

[throwing my hard hat on here]

I'ts not about parenting. It's not about *your* choice. Once that skin is gone, its' gone.

I'm not a 'Godly" woman, but SOMEHOW, your baby boy ended up with a foreskin. That's how YOU grew him. What's wrong with it?

[throwing my hard hat on here]

I'ts not about parenting. It's not about *your* choice. Once that skin is gone, its' gone.

I'm not a 'Godly" woman, but SOMEHOW, your baby boy ended up with a foreskin. That's how YOU grew him. What's wrong with it?

It is absolutely about parenting. As parents we are entitled to make that decision for our children based on our personal, religious, and medical beliefs. There's nothing wrong with the skin on there...but every parent makes that choice on their own, and I really hate when people try to push their views on others. Its one thing to state your opinion, but to call it "mutilation" is definitely an attack on those of us who choose to have the procedure done for one reason or another. My view on it, is just that, my view...and yes this is a debate which allows you to state an opinion and your facts/beliefs behind it. (without attacking others beliefts though)

[throwing my hard hat on here]

I'ts not about parenting. It's not about *your* choice. Once that skin is gone, its' gone.

I'm not a 'Godly" woman, but SOMEHOW, your baby boy ended up with a foreskin. That's how YOU grew him. What's wrong with it?

How is it not parenting? Anything we choose for our children is essentially parenting. From circumsizing, to ear piercing to the foods they eat, the way they are taught, the clothes they wear, it is all parenting.

So should siamese twins not be seperated since thats how they were grown in the womb? Because somehow thats how they ended up, that's how their mommy grew them? (I'm talking the ones that are not in danger of death by not seperating but those that could lead a healthy life together.)


I am not a godly women neither. And yes my son was born perfect in every way. (L) :lovestruck Right down to his foreskin. But I feel my husband is perfect in everyway as well. And he does not have a foreskin. I also felt, that although he was perfect in every way, that there was indeed benefits to having the foreskin removed. Benefits I researched and based my decision on. As well as my husband. As well as wanting my son to look identical to daddy. My son is still perfect. In every way shape and form. And that will never ever change. Period.

My mind won't change on this. I still say it boils down to choice and differences in parenting period. Just as I am sure your opinion isnt going to change and we've established that. We could go round and round and do this til we're blue in the face. But I still say that yes it does boil down to the differences in parenting and the differences in choice. The choices I make for my son will be different then others. It doesn't mean they are wrong. (as long as the child is obviously happy, healthym etc) Just means they are different. :yes

[throwing my hard hat on here]

I'ts not about parenting. It's not about *your* choice. Once that skin is gone, its' gone.

I'm not a 'Godly" woman, but SOMEHOW, your baby boy ended up with a foreskin. That's how YOU grew him. What's wrong with it?


For starters, it is about parenting, as is every decision you make that affects your childs life.

And if you really want to bring God into this debate, don't assume that your way is His. Genesis 17 is about the covenant of circumcision, to quote :

Genesis 17:9-12

Then God said to Abraham, "As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants after you for the generations to come. This is my covenant with you and your descendants after you, the covenant you are to keep. Every male among you shall be circumcised. You are to undergo circumcision, and it will be the sign of the coevenant between me and you. For the generations to come every male among you who is eight days old must be circumcised..."

I don't begin to be among the best of the "Godly" debaters...but at times like this I really miss Ellie :rofl

Edited for spelling (oopsie)

For starters, it is about parenting, as is every decision you make that affects your childs life.

And if you really want to bring God into this debate, don't assume that your way is His. Genesis 17 is about the covenant of circumcision, to quote :



I don't begin to be among the best of the "Godly" debates...but at times like this I really miss Ellie :rofl


Becca I am so glad you brought that up. This is my main reason for having my boys circumsized because God commanded it and its just not for the Jewish people either he meant all males. I know alot of us on here arent extremely practicing christians or whichever religion you happen to be or none for that matter, but I liked what Kristi had to say and I do agree that its a parenting choice to make and whats best of our sons. I do however believe we all have the right to have our opinion but not knock anyone down just because they dont agree with us, its kinda like agree to disagree thing. I normally dont get into debates because sometimes it can go wrong. I feel that everyone should have the right to their opinion and when it comes to their kids the parents need to make the best decision based on what they know at the time. There is no need to have regrets as to whats in the past. The past is the past. I feel very good knowing that by circumsizing my boys that I did the right thing for them and for God. I am not as practicing christian as i used to be but i still have my beliefs and thats my main reason for doing it. the secondary factor was its just plain good hygiene and to get it done when they are babies , they wont remember it at all, now waiting until they are older might be more painful. but all my boys did fine.



JMO by the way. I am not out to start any "wars".

I think it's far easier to care for a uncircumcized penis.
In society being circumcized is more "normal"
and quite honestly I would be disgusted trying to clean my 2 year olds uncircumcized penis.. pulling back the skin ect to keep it cleaned properly.

Uncircumcized penises look gross to me I can't help it. Probably has something to do with a bad experience as a kid.. but that's a whole other story.

I also want my boys to look like thier daddy.

once errect they look the same circ'ed or not.

Right, and his foreskin does not come into my mind when we're having sex.
Reading someone's response about not doing this to girls got me thinking. I did not want to pierce her ears when she was a baby because of the pain. I waited until she told me that she wanted her ears "peired". Why didn't I put that much thought into circumcision? I guess I was ignorant and did it because of the norm rather than researching it.

There's so many arguments about God and foreskins...

I have to ask, those that circ'd because God said so. Do you tithe? If you want to really follow it... you're also commanded to tithe.

As far as the "parent" thing. I firmly belive it's the boy, future mans choice of what is done do anything on his body, as far as surgery is concerned. Especially a painful cosmetic procedure on his penis.

I mean it as, it shouldn't BE a choice. Leave the kid alone. 80 percent of the world runs around with foreskins. Heck, half of the men women generally find to be hotties are intact (celebrities, sports guys, etc). It shouldn't be about parental preference, it fully goes against the Hippocratic oath.

Cutting off a foreskin to reduce a UTI rate is ridiculous. The risks outweigh the benefits. And how does one treat a UTI? Antibiotics, not surgery.

There's so many arguments about God and foreskins...



Really? I thought it was pretty clear, laid out in black and white. Could you clarify what you mean? I just didn't realize it was an argument at all. I'm not being snotty in asking, I am just wondering. I've already stated that I don't have any boys...but we will circumcise if/when we do - simply because it's our choice as parents, and when I brought it up to DH there was really no room for discussion :hehe

As far as the "parent" thing. I firmly belive it's the boy, future mans choice of what is done do anything on his body, as far as surgery is concerned. Especially a painful cosmetic procedure on his penis.

I mean it as, it shouldn't BE a choice. Leave the kid alone. 80 percent of the world runs around with foreskins. Heck, half of the men women generally find to be hotties are intact (celebrities, sports guys, etc). It shouldn't be about parental preference, it fully goes against the Hippocratic oath.

Cutting off a foreskin to reduce a UTI rate is ridiculous. The risks outweigh the benefits. And how does one treat a UTI? Antibiotics, not surgery.

80% do? Wow. Thats an awful lot. And quite honestly I had NEVER seen an uncircumsized penis. I had to actually look a picture up in my pregnancy book. And my husband is definatly not the first man I have ever slept with....Nor is his the first penis I have ever seen. (I did babysit as a kid etc) Not to menton that out of all my friends only 1 person does not have her son circumsized. I think those numbers may be a bit off....I could possibly believe 50% but 80 is stretching it

Well my son expierenced no pain as a local was given and tylenol was given. I have my reasons and they are legitimate and fine with me.

I have noticed, From all the boards I do go to, that people who circumsize do so for their own reasons and believe that to each their own. That each family is different and it is a personal decision. Where those who do not circumsize fully believe that NO ONE should period. That it isnt a personal decision it is something that everyone should follow. My husband never grew up mad at his mother or father. Nor did his 4 brothers. etc. So who knows... I fully support our decision and any future boys we have will also be circumsized. It is 1 I researched. 1 I am comfortable with. 1 I believe in for MY family.

Our son is circumsized, and if have another one he will be too.


I wish Joy would hop on here and read this debate.
She had her sons done at age 5 I believe. He was in so much pain for a few weeks, rather than a few days at birth. He couldnt ride his bike, he couldnt run and play, he was scared to death for her to change his bandage. They had to give him morphine for the pain.

I think I would rather let my son, who is now almost 9 and doesnt remember a damn thing about it, have it done as a newborn, instead of torturing him as an older child/adult. He has no memory of his. But I know Joy's son does.

yeah i agree , its much better to have it done when they are babies and have no memory of it at all. i think its more painful to get it done when they are alot older. good post there.

Our son is circumsized, and if have another one he will be too.


I wish Joy would hop on here and read this debate.
She had her sons done at age 5 I believe. He was in so much pain for a few weeks, rather than a few days at birth. He couldnt ride his bike, he couldnt run and play, he was scared to death for her to change his bandage. They had to give him morphine for the pain.

I think I would rather let my son, who is now almost 9 and doesnt remember a damn thing about it, have it done as a newborn, instead of torturing him as an older child/adult. He has no memory of his. But I know Joy's son does.


I agree with this. My Father-in-law has his done in his 40's or so (he's 60 now). He wished it had been done when he was a baby. He had both his son's done at birth.

We had Johnny circumcised. I left that decision up to hubby. I figured, I don't have one, don't know anything about having one, so I'm the wrong person to make that choice.

I have heard that it is healthier but then I have heard as long as personal hygiene is maintained it doesn't matter.

i just want to state that we talked to our preacher during this because joe was the using the religion as he arguement. the preacher said that it truly has nothing to do with GOD and the bible. it has different statements in both the Old and New testimony. also joe dad was not circumcisided but joe was. joe said that he never felt different from his dad or compared himself to his dad.

i just want to state that we talked to our preacher during this because joe was the using the religion as he arguement. the preacher said that it truly has nothing to do with GOD and the bible. it has different statements in both the Old and New testimony. also joe dad was not circumcisided but joe was. joe said that he never felt different from his dad or compared himself to his dad.


do you mind me asking where your preacher gets that idea from? and i mean this question in an informative way, because the way i see it , it does come from God and the bible. I dont know which religion you are but I would like to see where he backs up his info from and what it says in the new testament. because from the bible i read in the old testament it clearly states that all males are to be circumsized, but i still feel that every parent has to do what they think is right for their sons. I know alot of people may not be religious or as religious on here and i dont want to start any heated debates on this topic, but i just wanted to know where your preacher got his info from.

I'm on my way out the door, but wanted to throw these out there for discussion...

http://www.circumstitions.com/Xy.html
http://www.cirp.org/pages/cultural/
http://www.alternamoms.com/xcirc.html

And you might find this interesting:

http://www.slate.com/id/2136062/?nav=fo

do you mind me asking where your preacher gets that idea from? and i mean this question in an informative way, because the way i see it , it does come from God and the bible. I dont know which religion you are but I would like to see where he backs up his info from and what it says in the new testament. because from the bible i read in the old testament it clearly states that all males are to be circumsized, but i still feel that every parent has to do what they think is right for their sons. I know alot of people may not be religious or as religious on here and i dont want to start any heated debates on this topic, but i just wanted to know where your preacher got his info from.
The bible is always open to interpretation. The Anglican church has made the interpretation that circumcision is not required to enable men to get to heaven. Hence most British men aren't circumcised. It's really a matter of personal choice, not how religious you are - each individual goes with whatever they feel is right for their child.

While the debate of whether to circusize your son or not will always be around so will knew findings, studies and the like. Some for circumcision and others against. It isn't going to change. I say it is a parents choice. I say there are benefits from my readings. I also say no one is a better parent either way. Where as you are saying it is wrong. It isnt a parents choice. It should be left up to the child..Therefor telling me I have done something wrong (from what I have read, this is how I am taking it I guess....) And that I have taken something away from my child since I decided he should be circumsized....We can debate and debate and debate. But I STILL stand by that if you do it GREAT. and if you dont then GREAT. Just be comfortable in your decision as a parent...No one is right or wrong. It is differences in parenting.

And since we are postings articles I thought this might be interesting. Yeah it is just a study..but interesting none the less. Especially for those that have circumsized...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8473838/
And also
A recent AAP report stated that circumcision does offer some benefit in preventing urinary tract infections in infants. Circumcision also offers some benefit in preventing penile cancer in adult men. However, this disease is very rare in all men, whether or not they have been circumcised. Circumcision may reduce the risk of sexually transmitted diseases. A man's sexual practices (e.g., if he uses condoms, if he has more than one partner, etc.) has more to do with STD prevention than whether or not he is circumcised.

So again I still say, while there may be some benefit in NOT circumsizing...I still agree that there is some benefit to circumsize. Its a matter of weighing in the pros and cons of both sides and doing what you feel best n your heart

I've seen that, there's also mention of it reducing HPV in women.

However (you knew that was coming, lol) the *ONLY* thing that protects against STDs is safe sex or abstinence. How many AIDS cases are the in the US, a predominantly circ'd country? This particular area of Africa they did the study in is VERY poor and generally there is little to no education. THey think (and I'm totally serious) that sleeping with a virgin will cure them. Egads.

I've seen that, there's also mention of it reducing HPV in women.

However (you knew that was coming, lol) the *ONLY* thing that protects against STDs is safe sex or abstinence. How many AIDS cases are the in the US, a predominantly circ'd country? This particular area of Africa they did the study in is VERY poor and generally there is little to no education. THey think (and I'm totally serious) that sleeping with a virgin will cure them. Egads.


Totally different debate but there is NO safe sex other then abstinence. You can still catch STD's with protection because protection is never 100% And as I said it was just a study. All I am saying is there are benefits BOTH ways. Seriously. ;)

While the debate of whether to circusize your son or not will always be around so will knew findings, studies and the like. Some for circumcision and others against. It isn't going to change. I say it is a parents choice. I say there are benefits from my readings. I also say no one is a better parent either way. Where as you are saying it is wrong. It isnt a parents choice. It should be left up to the child..Therefor telling me I have done something wrong (from what I have read, this is how I am taking it I guess....) And that I have taken something away from my child since I decided he should be circumsized....We can debate and debate and debate. But I STILL stand by that if you do it GREAT. and if you dont then GREAT. Just be comfortable in your decision as a parent...No one is right or wrong. It is differences in parenting.

And since we are postings articles I thought this might be interesting. Yeah it is just a study..but interesting none the less. Especially for those that have circumsized...
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/8473838/
And also

So again I still say, while there may be some benefit in NOT circumsizing...I still agree that there is some benefit to circumsize. Its a matter of weighing in the pros and cons of both sides and doing what you feel best n your heart

I'd be really interested in reading the research paper on that study. How did they conduct the research? They say that they picked out so many circumcised and uncircumcised men and found that more uncircumcised men contraced HIV. What did they do, expose each man to the same HIV+ woman for 30mins, so many times a week?! I think it's virtually impossible to conduct a statistically significant and ethically viable study into the vunerability of circ/uncirc penises to STDs.

The point my link was trying to make was that there's no benefit either way. It really is down to personal choice. Uncircumcised penises aren't dirty or smelly (generally speaking - of course some guys have more questionable hygenic regimes than others!) and circumcised penises aren't garanteed protection from infections or STDs. I dont think God will send anyone to hell for being circumcised/non circumcised. Just my opinion. :dunno

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It really is down to personal choice.

Well I agree with ya there. :D Its personal choice and I feel it is a parenting choice. I have no idea if an uncircumsized penis is dirty or smelly. Honestly the only one I ever saw in person was my sons before he was circ'd...So I cannot debate that ;) But I will stand by it being the parents decision...

Absolutely for it!

Kaymara, thank you for provong my point. :)

Kristen. :lol Care to share your reasons why?

Kaymara, thank you for provong my point. :)

Kristen. :lol Care to share your reasons why?

And what would that be? I still say its a parenting issue. I still see benefits both ways irregardless. I still did my research. I still see nothing wrong with my decision :D I will not debate religious aspects as I am not religious and I will not debate whether it is smelly or whatever as I don't know first hand since I had never seen one inperson until my son (again... the 80& statistic is wrong ;) )

From your posts, it is seeming that your point is DONT do it. Period. Doesn't matter if it is religious, whether it was reasearched, whether it was done with a ton of research etc. If I proved your point that it shouldnt be done then wires got crossed somewhere because I would never ever say that. I still say do what you want. Do what you feel best. I did what I felt best for my family and will coninue to do so.

so sorry for taking so long getting back. my world.....:nutts Kaymara i am a baptist. of course everything i have saved for circumcision is on my other computer but i did look up some things. i am just going to put my points down and let it be. it seems everyone has come to agreement about this but i still want to defend myself.

Passage 1 Corinthians 7:19:
19 Circumcision does not matter and uncircumcision does not matter, but keeping God's commandments does.

Passage Galatians 5:6:
6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision accomplishes anything; what matters is faith (A) working through love. (B)





Passage Colossians 3:11:
11 Here there is not Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, [a] slave and free; but Christ is all and in all. (A)
11 and so does Jesus who is called Justus. These alone of the circumcision are my co-workers for the kingdom of God, and they have been a comfort to me.



just my thoughts

so sorry for taking so long getting back. my world.....:nutts Kaymara i am a baptist. of course everything i have saved for circumcision is on my other computer but i did look up some things. i am just going to put my points down and let it be. it seems everyone has come to agreement about this but i still want to defend myself.








just my thoughts

Again..I am not religious so I have no idea about doing it for religious reasons :dunno Did you address the wrong poster maybe?? It doesnt matter whether or not you do it ;) Which is what I been saying over and over again ;)

so sorry for taking so long getting back. my world.....:nutts Kaymara i am a baptist. of course everything i have saved for circumcision is on my other computer but i did look up some things. i am just going to put my points down and let it be. it seems everyone has come to agreement about this but i still want to defend myself.








just my thoughts



which version of the bible was that in. I dont ever recall reading that in the bible, i will have to go look at my version and see what mine says, this just doesnt sound familar to me at all , and i was fairly religious few years ago. and i was the one who had asked you to back up what your preacher had said. im just curious thats all. im not trying to start anything here i just like reading the facts and having info from the bible that backs the religious aspect of it. Do you have the King James Version or one of the more modern versions.

Jill thank you for posting those verses. I still plan to circumcise, but I appreciate you looking up what the new testament has to say about it. I wouldn't even have found the Genesis verse that I found it I hadn't been looking specifically for this argument. I really was wondering what else the bible had to say about it. I couldn't find anything in the new testament - but in all fairness, I didn't try very hard :hehe The decision for us to circumcise has nothing to do with the bible in the first place, just for the record ;)

well i did know about the one in genesis, but i didnt remember the ones in the new testament so im gonna have to go back and read those again.

kaymara, so sorry!!! i mixed up the wrong people. my bible is packed up so i went to bible.com. it has all kinds of things you can look up regarding the bible.

ok well i will take a peak at my bible when i get home today because i think the bible.com might be paraphasing it just a bit. i need to go home and reread those verses but thanks very much for posting them they are very interesting.

ok well i will take a peak at my bible when i get home today because i think the bible.com might be paraphasing it just a bit.

Nope, it's not. I have an NIV and it's the same. Cat, I know you know there's a big difference between the time of the old testament and the time of the new testament. I am really not surprised that the new testament says what it does. The "eye for an eye" concept in the old testament is another example of a concept that changed from the time before and after Christ.

yeah but from my beliefs the old testament points to the new testament and the new testament reverts back to the old. i know some things have changed from the old to the new. but like i said i will have to go and reread those particular verses and also that circumcision doesnt necessarily mean of the foreskin either in the new testament it means circumcision of the heart in a figurative sense. meaning you put away the old man and take on the new in your heart. living for jesus. but i really dont want this to get into a religious debate so i will just leave it at that. everybody has to do whats right in their heart and mind for their family and we may not all agree with each others opinions i still respect everyone on here.

Zandir is and if we have another boy he will be too.

I really don't care one way or another what people decide to do. I think it's personal choice, period.

I however don't understand the "wanting my son to match his daddy" thing..........my sons are both Circ'd and so is my DH but at 18 and 14 , they have never seen their father naked:rolleyes Nor have we EVER once had a discussion on the matter. They don't know if their dad is and I'm sure they really don't care!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/Navywife4life/diethread.jpg

yep i agree it needs to go bye bye. its up to 10 pages. LOL

Ok ok, I 'm not saying all uncircumsized penises smell, but the little boy I was watching, his DID smell :hehe. To me it was gross.

Becca, I know you want this thread to die, but schmegma was this green stuff that was under the foreskin was obviously NOT cleaned :sick. I think it was an infection.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/Navywife4life/sucks1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/Navywife4life/sucks1.jpg



LOL :lmao :lmao

Hey now, I find this thread pretty interesting and seeing everybodys different views. You can always just stop reading it??

Yes I can just stop reading it :hehe

(and with that I give you post #101 in this 11 page thread about foreskin - to cut or not to cut - that is the question.)

:lmao


This is the thread that doesn't end
yes it goes on and on my friends...

OK, I know you want the thread to die BUT... :lol

Just to clear things up here... Smegma is more or less like discharge that women have. Don't bathe, ew. You bathe? It's OK! :) It genenerally isn't any problem until puberty. Then they just stink no matter what. :lol That's what showers are for you know?

OK, another FYI. Until the skin seperates from the head ***on it's own, which can take up to a few years*** there is no need whatsoever to clean it "in there". It causes problems - adhesions and infections, not solves them.

I've never once seen anything "green" on Jared, that would freak me out too. :lol

ELEVEN PAGES!!! lol