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02/10/2006
SD House Approves Abortion Ban
The South Dakota House has passed a bill that would nearly ban all abortions in the state, ushering the issue to the state Senate.

Supporters are pushing the measure in hopes of drawing a legal challenge that will cause the US Supreme Court to reverse its 1973 decision legalizing abortion.

The bill banning all abortions in South Dakota was passed 47-to-22 in the House.

Amendments aimed at carving out exemptions for rape, incest and the health of women were rejected.

The bill does contain a loophole that allows abortions if women are in danger of dying. Doctors who do those abortions could not be prosecuted.

I think this is just horrible. I will march till my feet fall off to fight my rights to do what I want with my body. GODAMN THESE FRIGGIN POLITICIANS!!!!!!!

That's messed up :no :screwy If they're going to do that they should at the very least make amendments for rape victims etc.

I wonder how long before birth control or requesting your husband permission for birth control will be on the table. Wow. The next several years should prove to be very "interesting".

Im against abortion to a point. I also agree that they should allow rape victims to get them legally.
i have conflicting thoughts about this subject. i mean with making it illegal it will just cause women to get them from bad doctors, or go to other countries and end up even worse (because as Americans we are spolied and have to get what we want when we want it and will do anything to get it.) but on the other hand i am against abortion.... so i dont know! i guess they should just have a better screening system when doctors are deciding who to give abortions to. it is defiently not a form of birth control!
i just wanted to add something, about the birth control comment. birth control and abortions are two different things. an abortion is killing a living human being, and birth control is just preventing it from forming.
ok i could go on and on so im just going to stop here. please dont jump down my throat. im allowed to have my opnion too.

I won't jump down your throat. I also don't think abortion should be used as b/c.
I do think, however, that I should have the right to choose if I want one. I don't want some politician telling me what I can and can't do with my own body. This country is going down the toilet quicker then shit. I am officially down with Bush. I am done with him. He needs to get the hell out NOW.

I will say that is great. I agree with it all BUT this...
Amendments aimed at carving out exemptions for rape, incest and the health of women were rejected
They really should have amended those.

i say good for them. i'm tired of the double standard that it's not okay to murder and you can get charged for double murder if you kill a pregnant woman but it's okay for a woman to do what she wants to her body, even if it means killing a baby.

Personally I am apalled by this. for someone else to take my own choice out of my hands on what I want for my body or for what is for the best. :tears I feel soo deeply sad for all the women who are being affected by this ridiculous ruling. Ugh Im soo friggen mad over this right now.

Abortion should not be used as BC however if a women has mad a full well informed decision no one has the right to tell her no

i say good for them. i'm tired of the double standard that it's not okay to murder and you can get charged for double murder if you kill a pregnant woman but it's okay for a woman to do what she wants to her body, even if it means killing a baby.
i agree.

I totally disagree with that opinion. It's not a baby until it can be viable on it's own. I disagree with abortion after 12 weeks.

Mara~If you are talking about the Scott Peterson case. When he killed Laci that baby was only a month or so from being born. I agree he should have been charged with double murder. When women are murdered and only a couple months pregnant, they dont charge the person with double murder. SO that argument doesn't apply.

i think if someone has a strong opnion about this topic no one is going to be able to change their minds. right? i know it would be damn hard to change mine. my husband and i talk about it some times, and we just have to agree to disagree cause we could go back and forth forever. lol.

I think this is just horrible. I will march till my feet fall off to fight my rights to do what I want with my body. GODAMN THESE FRIGGIN POLITICIANS!!!!!!!

Damn straight!!! Motherfuckers!!

I would be willing to bet a $1 million that when some south dakota politician gets his mistress pregnant he'll be more than willing to ship her out of state and pay for her abortion.

Justice Alito was in favor of legislation requiring a woman to request her husband's permission before obtaining an abortion when he was is PA. The Bush regime (this is not an administration, it is a regime!) has been against a woman's right to choose ever since the beginning. One of the first things that was done was to pass a bill banning partial-birth abortions. Since then, they have tried to wittle away at such things as Title IX, domestic violence protection, and family planning. They are still trying to restrict access to safe legal contraception.
The current regime is proof that a narrowminded individual can enforce his circa-1950's, uber backwards, personal beliefs on a nation that is by definition of constant change. I have heard the following saying many times, now I believe more and more each day: If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament. We still exist in a patriarichal society, whether we like it or not! We used to be easing up on that, but not any more!
If you can't trust me with a choice, why would you trust me with a child?

i say good for them. i'm tired of the double standard that it's not okay to murder and you can get charged for double murder if you kill a pregnant woman but it's okay for a woman to do what she wants to her body, even if it means killing a baby.


Amen to that.

When you start making claims such as "a baby isn't a baby until after 12 weeks", then the abortion debate actually turns into another debate all on it's own. When does life begin? Conception? When they are viable on their own? And who decides when a baby is supposedly viable? When the heart beat starts? Birth? When they take their first breath of air?

For me, it's simple. Life begings at conception. There is no magic moment after conception where life just all of a sudden starts. Life begings at conception, in my opinion. It is not my God given right to take another life. That's means I can not take the life of a baby in the womb at any point- not at 5 weeks, not at 8 weeks, not 12 or 15 or 30. To me, it's life. Life is life is life. I believe each baby who is conceived is a miracle with a soul from the time it is created. When I miscarried my babies, I never once thought it was okay just because it was a little blob of cells or tissue. I seriously felt like a little soul had left the earth :( To me, there is no shade of gray on this subject.

I'm sorry some of you are pissed about it, but I support it 100%.

That is a another debate to me too. Because I am don't believe in women having miscarriage after miscarriage and keep on trying. To me it's the same thing as abortion.

That is a another debate to me too. Because I am don't believe in women having miscarriage after miscarriage and keep on trying. To me it's the same thing as abortion.

I'm sorry you feel that way, Jen. I respectfully and totally disagree. I won't even debate that one with you.

One good reason to move to South Dakota!!!!

This topic is very close to my heart so I'll give my story/opinion and then butt out! I was raped/abused by a former boyfriend when I was 18/19. I got pregnant as a result of it but was beaten to the point where I miscarried. If I hadn't of miscarried I would've got an abortion. I know people are against this but I could not honestly say that I could bring up a child knowing the way it was concieved and who it's father was. And at that age, I wasn't fully prepared to be a mother. I dont know how I would've acted if the choice was taken away from me and I would've had to give birth to it.

The choice is there to prevent people from taking other measures - for eg. from Medieval times onward women used to drink bottles of gin to get rid of an unwanted baby. This worked in some cases, but in others it just resulted in teratogenesis (where the limbs of the baby dont form properly). Then there's the girls who get really desperate and try to pierce the placenta with a knitting needle. I wont go into the medical cases that arise from those situations! Taking away the choice wont just traumatise a lot of people, it could medically do more harm than good.

That is a another debate to me too. Because I am don't believe in women having miscarriage after miscarriage and keep on trying. To me it's the same thing as abortion.

I'm really sorry you feel this way. I wouldn't have the beautiful children I do have today if I just "gave up". I also refuse to debate this one any further.

I'm so sorry that happened to you, Z.

I think that as bad as abortion is, people should have the choice to do it if they want to.

That is a another debate to me too. Because I am don't believe in women having miscarriage after miscarriage and keep on trying. To me it's the same thing as abortion.

People who miscarriage usually do nothing to cause it. How is that the same?

Amen to that.

When you start making claims such as "a baby isn't a baby until after 12 weeks", then the abortion debate actually turns into another debate all on it's own. When does life begin? Conception? When they are viable on their own? And who decides when a baby is supposedly viable? When the heart beat starts? Birth? When they take their first breath of air?

For me, it's simple. Life begings at conception. There is no magic moment after conception where life just all of a sudden starts. Life begings at conception, in my opinion. It is not my God given right to take another life. That's means I can not take the life of a baby in the womb at any point- not at 5 weeks, not at 8 weeks, not 12 or 15 or 30. To me, it's life. Life is life is life. I believe each baby who is conceived is a miracle with a soul from the time it is created. When I miscarried my babies, I never once thought it was okay just because it was a little blob of cells or tissue. I seriously felt like a little soul had left the earth :( To me, there is no shade of gray on this subject.

I'm sorry some of you are pissed about it, but I support it 100%.
Beautifully said.

I read that earlier and I think it is an OUTRAGE. Absolutely unbeleiveable.

Brandi & Mara~Very well said & I agree totally! I am pro-life so that pretty much states where I stand on this issue!

That is a another debate to me too. Because I am don't believe in women having miscarriage after miscarriage and keep on trying. To me it's the same thing as abortion.

WOW! That's pretty crappy! I had 3 miscarriages. I guess I should have given up & not had my beautiful daughter. Or even my son after my first miscarriage. As much as I long for the 3 children I lost, my life would suck if I didn't have these 2 gifts from God.

Gosh, I just want to cry! Your statement hurts very much & very deeply! :tears I think my husband would divorce me if he thought of me as an abortionist & I guess that is what several of us here are in your eyes!

Gosh, I just want to cry! Your statement hurts very much & very deeply! :tears I think my husband would divorce me if he thought of me as an abortionist & I guess that is what several of us here are in your eyes!

Don't let it upset you (L) I have had 6 miscarriages between my two precious angels. No doctor could ever pinpoint exactly why and I was advised to wait at least 6 weeks between them, then try again when I was ready. In no shape or form can or should miscarriages be compared to abortion. Miscarriage is caused by nature, not by surgery or on purpose. I may have had several miscarriages but I would not have my two children without having had them. I did nothing to cause them, my doctors did not know what was causing them and I will be damned if I'm just going to sit back and say its okay to not ever try for a child because nature has selectively terminated some of my pregnancies.

I do not think people who have abortions are bad people- not at all. It is just not something I believe in. I, personally, could never INTENTIONALLY and purposely terminate a pregnancy, no matter how far along I was.

Jen...I guess I am confused...

You support abortion. Its the womans right to do with her body what she wants...But you feel having multiple miscarriages is wrong..Because its the same as abortion? I am kind of confused about that....

Miscarraige is natural. It isnt a women deciding they do not want the baby. It is a woman trying desperatly to have the family she so desired. A woman who loves this child and unfortuantly something happens. So yeah they try again. I tried for EThan for 9.5 years. I had 1 m/c in between then. Had I of had more yes I still woulda tried..

Didnt mean to threadjack :blush

I read that earlier and I think it is an OUTRAGE. Absolutely unbeleiveable.


Do you mind me asking why you are "OUTRAGED" by this law passing, but you get so upset about circumcision? I dunno, I guess since you are so much for children's rights, I figured this would be something you would support. Do you feel that mom's rights should be valued more than the unborn baby's? Just trying to understand your reasoning for not supporting the child's rights (in the case of living) in one situation but are so supportive of the child's rights in another (in the case of keeping their foreskin).

I did not say that. I think when a doctor tells you that every pregnancy will end in miscarriage but women just keep getting pregnant is wrong. I have had an abortion and two miscarriages.

I had an abortion when I was 18 due to not practicing safe sex. If I had that baby there is no way I could have taken care of it. So I chose to have an abortion. MY CHOICE not any politician who knows nothing about my life. When I was 22 I had a miscarriage due to getting pregnant too soon after my son was born. I just had a miscarriage a little over a year ago. The doctor said something was wrong with the baby, probably because of family genetics when it comes to age. So I won't be trying to have any more kids not because I don't want to. Because I don't want to raise a special needs child.

I think that women getting pregnant over and over again when the docs warn them is wrong. Those of you that think it's a baby right from the start are essentially getting pregnant knowings it won't make it is wrong. ITS MY OPINION.
I did not jump anyone butt for theirs so don't do it to me.

well, this is a debate forum and it's to be expected that when you make a comment and do not elaborate on your reasoning that you will be "jumped on". Just the way it is.

Being asked for further information or clarification is not being jumped on

I think that women getting pregnant over and over again when the docs warn them is wrong. Those of you that think it's a baby right from the start are essentially getting pregnant knowings it won't make it is wrong. ITS MY OPINION.
I did not jump anyone butt for theirs so don't do it to me.


Well, I agree with you there, but you didn't say that if your first post. When a woman is given doctors orders or strong recommendation to not get pregnant because the likelihood of miscarriages is very high, I would have to agree that getting pregnant time and time again, having miscarriage after miscarriage, after being warned, that isn't a smart choice.

But, most of the time, miscarriages are pretty random, unless there are special circumstances, like a known health problem, age issues, etc. So, most women who miscarry, even if she has multiple ones, are just taking a 50/50 chance. 75% of ALL pregnancies actually end in miscarriage but most are before the woman even knows she is pregnant.

I don't tolerate the fact that some of you would rather go back to the stone age where you have no say in anything. One step leads to another just remember that. So anyway those are my thoughts my opinion will not change.

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:wha

I don't tolerate the fact that some of you would rather go back to the stone age where you have no say in anything. One step leads to another just remember that. I am for sure not telling you what I think on it. So anyway those are my thoughts my opinion will not change.


That is fine, Jen. I do not expect ANYONE to change their opinion. When I debate or talk about my thoughts and feelings, I do not do it to change people's minds. I do it to throw in my perspective- nothing more, nothing less. If you get something good from it then great, if not then that's okay too. You're entitled to feel the way you want to and I'm not jumping on anyone. When you make blanket statements though, sometimes they need a little more clarification- that's all :)

I don't tolerate the fact that some of you would rather go back to the stone age where you have no say in anything. One step leads to another just remember that. I am for sure not telling you what I think on it. So anyway those are my thoughts my opinion will not change.


No one said they wanted to go back to the stone age.

And, this is a debate forum. The whole purpose is to share your opinions and thoughts. If you dont want to share then there is no need to respond.

That is fine, Jen. I do not expect ANYONE to change their opinion. When I debate or talk about my thoughts and feelings, I do not do it to change people's minds. I do it to throw in my perspective- nothing more, nothing less. If you get something good from it then great, if not then that's okay too. You're entitled to feel the way you want to and I'm not jumping on anyone. When you make blanket statements though, sometimes they need a little more clarification- that's all :)

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Yeah, I have to agree on this one. People will jump to assumptions if there is no clarity in your standing in a debate.

Like I said they ban abortion is a step backwards for women. Once you start there where are they going to go next?? I think I made that very clear.

I did not say that. I think when a doctor tells you that every pregnancy will end in miscarriage but women just keep getting pregnant is wrong.

Doctors are not God or any other higher power. How exactly do they know 100% for sure that a baby will miscarry. They don't. They can say you have X percentage of a chance that you miscarry but they can not say 100% that every baby you carry will not survive.

And I don't see a single person who jumped on you...just people asking for more information & stating their opinions based on what you stated. :dunno

I don't tolerate the fact that some of you would rather go back to the stone age where you have no say in anything.

How is saying we are totally against killing a human life considered going back to the stone age? That doesn't make any sense to me.

LOL nevermind you just don't get it. It's about us women being allowed to keep making choices is that clearer for you??

LOL nevermind you just don't get it. It's about us women being allowed to keep making choices is that clearer for you??

There are other choices that can be made without aborting a baby.

How is saying we are totally against killing a human life considered going back to the stone age? That doesn't make any sense to me.
Because it's about choice. This debate alone has proved that not everyone has the same opinion - some people are for abortions and some are against. The law takes the choice away. Going back to the 'stone age' is an exaggeration, but the previous laws against abortion were removed for a reason. To put them back in place is, in a sense, going back in time.

Sonia, I am so sorry to hear about what happened to you. :hugs I'm so glad you had a choice.

Jen, if it makes you feel better, I agree with everything you've said about abortion and the rights of women. I don't have an opinion either way on miscarriages.

I will add that is makes me laugh how the people who are against the abortion of a fetus are usually also those who supposrt the death penalty for a fully grown human being. So much for the all life is precious argument.

I will add that is makes me laugh how the people who are against the abortion of a fetus are usually also those who supposrt the death penalty for a fully grown human being. So much for the all life is precious argument.
I totally agree!

I think what many women become concerned with when decisions like these come about, is the basic right to govern your own body, rather than just the abortion issue. There are many that disagree with abortion and still understand that allowing a government entity to have a say in your body would open up the doors to other forms of bodily rule. For instance, MANY believe that birth control is "murder" to the potential child and against the teachings of the bible (therefore should be banned). Do you really want your government to tell you that you must have a child and cannot have birth control? Whos to say that is extreme or not? Many of us young women are not aware of how fast things can change with regard to the governing of our bodies and how far the reach can go. You may not agree with abortion (or even birth control for that matter) and your beliefs should be respected. It is your choice and should remain your choice. This is why I personally feel that it should remain a "choice". We should make every effort to provide as much education as possible but the choice should remain up to the woman to a certain extent. Its a very difficult situation because of its deep religious roots and tugs at ones moral code. When is it ok to end a life. Perhaps never, but one could argue from a religious aspect that we were given free will by God, therefore God should be the one to judge any moral wrong doing. Since the topic is so complicated, I think it is very important that it remain a choice to the individual and their family. I would hate for someone tell lets say... a 13 year old girl who was brutally raped by her father or (or anyone for that matter) that she had to have that child. If you make the exception for that raped child, why not another. What about telling the mother of 2, 4 or 10, that she cannot have birth control. What about the countries that will not allow you to have more than 1 or 2 children with population control. All of these issues fall under the government's control of your body. Where do you draw the line. Who am I to say what is right and wrong? Society often dictates what is right and wrong which is usually by popular vote. Certain societies believe that female fetuses should be aborted. Would you want the government to make that into law because the majority of that society believes it to be right? We may not agree with the beliefs and lifestyles of others and we would hope that they do the "right thing" (whatever that may be) but to put a law in front of it sets a precedent, which is irreversible. What is important is that we respect everyone's rights and beliefs and make the best decision we can that is fair to all. You must also realize that your way of thinking is not made right just because you beleive it. As a responsible society, we must also realize the consequences of allowing bans such as these and if the ban would create a major health problem among woman (to include children who are showing high numbers of pregnancies). We would like to think that it would be a deterrent from increased pregnancies but we should know that it wouldn't be the case. I respect everyone's opinion and beliefs and its great to hear both sides express their concerns passionately. That is the point...retain your right to choose one way or the other. I think we fail to realize that when it comes to laws being passed, it does not just involve the issue at hand, but an entire family of issues. Just some other perspectives to ponder. :blush

very well put, Dollface!

I will add that is makes me laugh how the people who are against the abortion of a fetus are usually also those who supposrt the death penalty for a fully grown human being.

I'm against the death penalty & do not support it at all! ;)

I will add that is makes me laugh how the people who are against the abortion of a fetus are usually also those who supposrt the death penalty for a fully grown human being. So much for the all life is precious argument.

Im not saying i support the death penalty or not, but those who are up for the death penalty did something wrong to deserve that. an unborn baby has done nothing wrong. its just not the same thing.

Dollface, you said it. It is a very hard topic to debate. While I am pro-choice, I do have a limit on the extent of HOW MUCH I am pro-choice. While one person gets an abortion from a rape, failed BC or some other uncontrollable circumstance, there are others who really abuse their bodies and use abortion as a method of BC. I know one girl personally who has gone this route. She couldn't keep her legs closed and got pregnant several times and has had more than 3 abortions. I am very upset that they banned abortion in a this state even though I don't live there.
History repeats itself. When you ban abortion than out come tons of illegal clinics who will do abortions for woman. This is not good for women. When you have to go somewhere illegally to take back control of your body nothing good can come of it. What if ( I know surgeries and medicine have come far over the years) this person/clinic has no idea what they are doing when they preform an illegal abortion? What if they are a hack? Instead of ending an unwanted pregnancy you have put your life at risk.
Again, a very hard to debate subject. I know there are several other roads for people to take if faced with an unwanted pregnancy, but for those who have been raped and become pregnant it seems like the end of the world. Those who are rape victims know that an abortion is sometimes the closure you need to the trauma that happened in your life. I know this and ask several other women, I bet you will get the same answer.

Damn straight!!! Motherfuckers!!

I would be willing to bet a $1 million that when some south dakota politician gets his mistress pregnant he'll be more than willing to ship her out of state and pay for her abortion.


EXACTLY!!! This outrages me! Its pathetic that politicians have the right to tell us what we can and can't do with OUR bodies.

I want to apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings in this thread. I feel very strongly about this and I for sure don't put things very tactfully a lot of time. I am working on it, but somethings just come out wrong.

Dollface is much better at expressing things then I am. What she said is right on in my feelings anyway.

I feel for all of you who have been trying to have kids and keep miscarrying. I hope I did clarify things better for you all.

Thanks:)

Dollface, you said it....I know one girl personally who has gone this route. She couldn't keep her legs closed and got pregnant several times and has had more than 3 abortions.
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Thanks! When I was in my teens, my mother had a friend who use to do this a lot (maybe 8-9 times I think..that we know of) and it pi$$ed me off to no end. She did permanent damage to her body. In this way...I think more women need to be educated about the effects of their irrisponsible(sp? lol that spelling doesn't look right for some reason) behavior...if not for at least their own health.

P.S. Thanks Jen (JenLom) for your comment. :)

(L) Great debate ladies!

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:lmao It's irresponsible...go get some sleep!!!! :D

i guess i also don't see why people are pissed at the politicians. the bill has only passed the house. that means it becomes a measure and is voted on by the people of the state. if the measure passes and becomes a law then it'll be because people voted for it to become a law. AND people elected the politicians to the house so the people of the state put the people into office who passed the bill to begin with.

I think it is a good law but that there should be ammendments for rape and such. JMO
Too many women us it as BC and that is just sick

I am very VERY pro-choice. However, I don't think it should be used as birthcontrol. That is both irresponsible and damaging to a woman's body. If a couple has been responsible by using the pill, patch, condoms, or whatever and still get pregnant they should have the option of a safe and legal abortion. My df and I have always been safe and smart when it comes to sex. Neither of us are at a point where we can handle a child. If I were to become pregnant, I would want the option of a safe and legal abortion. I honestly don't know for certain if I would use it, but I would like to know that the option is available.
i guess i also don't see why people are pissed at the politicians. the bill has only passed the house. that means it becomes a measure and is voted on by the people of the state. if the measure passes and becomes a law then it'll be because people voted for it to become a law. AND people elected the politicians to the house so the people of the state put the people into office who passed the bill to begin with.
This is a very good point. Of course, one also must bare in mind that the population at any given time has a wide range of opinions. Just because a legislation is approved by the voters, does not mean that everyone would be ok with it. The greatest example of this in history is the 3rd Reich. They were voted into power. I am not comparing anyone to the 3rd Reich, I only wanted to illustrate the point that just because something is voted on does not mean that it is ultimately for the best
I suppose what I mean to say is that abortion should remain legal, not as a method of birthcontrol, but for the unforeseen circumstances of cautious partners and the sheer fact that popular opinion is in a constant state of flux.

well in my opinion i am against abortion normally but with a few exceptions, be it rape or if the mother was to die. i would not want to be raped and have that mans baby. i dont care if it was a part of me. now if it were to be to dangerous for the mother to have the baby and she would die from it would you still go thru with having a baby and possibly dying from it. how would that be helping your husband. to leave him with a little baby to take care of. i mean this is where i am confused on the issue. i dont like the idea of abortion but on the other hand i wouldnt want to have a mans baby that raped me.


now if you had a teenage pregnancy and you couldnt take care of the baby there is no need to abort it. just put the baby up for adoption because there are so many women out there that cannot have their own babies and would give anything to adopt one and they would gladly pay your medical expenses. i know because it did happen to me in a bad time in my teen years. i know most of you would say how can you give up your child. well i knew that i couldnt keep it and that i was doing a good thing by giving her to a well established family, it was a private adoption. heck i didnt even know i was pregnant because i didnt have the usual symptoms. i thought i was getting fat lol, but it was past the time to decide anyway when i found out and when the dr told me i was , the first thing that came out of my mouth was adoption. i was adopted so thats why i did the same thing. i knew that God would bless me with other children someday and i did have 3 more. Now the baby i gave up was the only girl i ever had thats the irony of it. i have always wanted a girl and then i have one and have to give her up. i havent even tried to contact her either. and she hasnt contacted me and she is now almost 24. but i feel for everyone on trying to make a decision like this. but thats my story and i believe in adoption over abortion except for certain circumstances only.

Our country doesn't help women out enough with other healthcare options to start taking aways their rights to a safe and legal abortion.

Adoption is NOT always the magical answer either.......what if the mother has HIV/Aids, what if she is drug addicted. No one is going to want to adopt her baby, come on I'm not stupid enough to believe that. There are enough foster homes filled with children that no one seems to want to adopt! If it's not a tiny baby, well no one seems to care as much about that. We put the life of a fetus at a higher level than the children that are already here and living miserable, terrible lives. Where is our goverment then, where are the people rallying outside the clinics then?????????? No where to be found, that's where:sick

The day our government can stand behind it's people with a national healthcare plan, is the day my mind might change, but until then it's simply not gonna happen!

I think it is a good law but that there should be ammendments for rape and such. JMO
Too many women us it as BC and that is just sick

I agree with Breezy and Kara.

i say good for them. i'm tired of the double standard that it's not okay to murder and you can get charged for double murder if you kill a pregnant woman but it's okay for a woman to do what she wants to her body, even if it means killing a baby.

i agree. frankly anything before two months is...how should i phrase this...okay just doesn't seem right, so i'll say...anything after two months is stopping a beating heart and that is just not right under any circumstances. there are other options. unless you have less than a 60% chance to live carrying to term then i think that abortion should be illegal. i agree with aundi as well, we should have national healthcare but americans don't want their taxes raised so we will never have it

never mind
it would start a whole nother debate

Our country doesn't help women out enough with other healthcare options to start taking aways their rights to a safe and legal abortion.

Adoption is NOT always the magical answer either.......what if the mother has HIV/Aids, what if she is drug addicted. No one is going to want to adopt her baby, come on I'm not stupid enough to believe that. There are enough foster homes filled with children that no one seems to want to adopt! If it's not a tiny baby, well no one seems to care as much about that. We put the life of a fetus at a higher level than the children that are already here and living miserable, terrible lives. Where is our goverment then, where are the people rallying outside the clinics then?????????? No where to be found, that's where:sick

The day our government can stand behind it's people with a national healthcare plan, is the day my mind might change, but until then it's simply not gonna happen!


well i didnt say that adoption was the magical answer. i know its a whole hell of a lot harder to adopt a new born then it is to adopt an older child and personally i dont think i would want to adopt just any child myself. i would want to do a background check on the mother to make sure she didnt have any diseases or did drugs. also i wouldnt want to adopt an older child either because they could come with alot of emotional scars or baggage due to their natural parents abusing them. thats why i would rather adopt a newborn. the baby i gave up was healthy because i didnt do drugs at all. so no adoption isnt a magical answer but it is one answer and it was better for me to give my child up then to have an abortion. now if i had of been raped that might have been a different story, but i have heard alot of horror stories about abortions going wrong too and women having bad problems afterwards (namely bleeding) so there are pros and cons to both methods. i just say that the woman in question should be able to choose which she wants to do and not have someone mandate it.


i am like some of you and do not wish for someone else to tell me what to do with my body. they can make suggestions but that doesnt mean im gonna listen either. but fortunately for me i will never be in that predicament since im older and my tubes are tied and my baby making days are over.