I think if you are to have children planning on the WIC program to help you out is very very wrong. If you cannot afford to feed your own children then quit having them. I can understand being on the WIC program for a little bit to help out. Please don't use the WIC program to save money or use it as part of your budget. I think people abuse the program and it is one of the worst run programs out there.

WOW never once said I was abusing the system. Let alone would any of us military spouses ever absue the system. I can pay for my kids very well and still make my chid support payments on time plus some. How dare you assume that a simple question and being grateful for a program made to help mothers and their children mean we can not take care of our children. I paid way over 6500 in states taxes last year and have no problem relaying on them to help me now.

I can not even seak right now. You have just pissed me off with your ignorant comment.

From a paper in school
Food assistance programs were begun in the 1940’s by the American government as a way to improve the nutritional status of Americans. A need was recognized by the government when boys who were undernourished in preteen years were rejected by the draft for various nutrition related problems. It became clear that America had a hunger problem. We were not in much better shape than other starving post war countries.
In 1946 the National School Lunch Program was started to offset the nutritional deficiencies of America’s schoolchildren. Other programs followed: Food Stamp Program (1964), School Breakfast Program (1966), and many others. In the late sixties, it was evident that nutritional risk began with women who became pregnant and were undernourished, drug addicted, or ill. As a possible solution to this particular category the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) was introduced as a pilot program in 1974. It is controlled by the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA).
Under this program nutritional education, food vouchers, referral services, and breastfeeding promotion, education, and support are provided to women who are pregnant or breastfeeding and those caregivers who have children under the age of five years. People are accepted into the free, volunteer program if they qualify under any one of the many risk categories (chart 1) and if their income is under 185% of the national poverty level (chart 2). The foods which are allowed provide five specific nutrients: protein, calcium, iron, and vitamins A and C (attachment 1). Referral services can include those for immunizations, family planning, physical or substance abuse treatment, prenatal care, family planning, or breastfeeding support. Individual and group counseling sessions are encouraged to gain vital nutritional information.

WIC is 185% the national poverty level so MANY more people can participate. Also, you can be a millionaire and still qualify due to anemina or another common woman problem. It is NOT welfare. It is a referral program. It is a breastfeeding promotion program. It is free information and teaching program. Most states require regular monthly classes that teach mothers how to prepare quick, easy, nutritious snacks and meals.

So many people think its just the government handing out free money. It is not. It is a USDA program that focuses on certain childhood issues. The more people that use it the more healthy children become. Hopefully with programs like these and others America will slim down some and the obesity epidemic will end.

And as for people using it as the only means to feed their children is crazy. You only get about 6 gallons of milk, 2 boxes of cereal, dozen eggs, jar of peanut butter, pound of cheese, and 6 bottles of juice. That is NOT enough to sustain a child each month. The formula for babies is enough for the first few months but the they start eating more than what you get so parents have to buy more then too. I have never heard of anyone having a child because WIC will feed them.

For someone to come on here and make assumptions and never have had any experience with the program only says they are trying to create drama. There is no reason for anyone to be ashamed to be on WIC. The criteria set for women to participate makes so that almost everyone can.

Yep, April. That's why I don't feel bad using it.

Anyways, not like it matters cuz it doesn't, but I only buy the milk & cheese with it. Got eggs twice & peanut butter once, but we never really eat that.

If you don't use up the checks, it goes back to the state for someone else.

Like I said in Michelle's post- I paid taxes for this shit & he pays taxes still for it. I'm going to use it.

I don't even factor it in our budget. We save maybe $10 every 2 months...Whoooweeee :hehe

Thank you April. You said everything that is my head right now but I just can't get out of my mouth.

I was on WIC so I do know about it. My son could have been on it for 5 years because of his special needs but we didn't need to use it. I also would never have more kids if I had to use it.

As for saying I am causing drama is ridiculous. I find bragging about being on WIC is wrong. I can think of other things to put my tax money towards then paying for women to keep on having kids.

I was on WIC so I do know about it. My son could have been on it for 5 years because of his special needs but we didn't need to use it. I also would never have more kids if I had to use it.

No one HAS to use it. It is a free volunteer program aimed at education.

Who on earth gets educated??? WHo especially if you continue to go back and use the system.

i will have you know that i am on wic and because of this wonderful program i too have learned to help my children eat heathly. do you have any children? im not thinking you do. you know when i got pregnant with teegan and didnt put myself on wic my husbands command reemed his ass out. it is there for us. its not like my husband doesnt have a job like so many of those on welfare NO we defends his country and his country is giving back to us. get your head out of your ass and see what a great program this is

The WIC program is a good program and yes some people abuse it but those are also the people that would rather sit on their ever growing ass and not work and have their spouse not work either. They are the ones that abuse every program out there available. If you need it and qualify for it, then use it. If you don't need it but still qualify, then I don't think you should use it. JMO

Are you kidding me?? You think I don't have kids because I don't like the WIC program and how it works???? I have two kids and the first one was on WIC but that was it. OMG you guys are out of your minds.

and another thing i dont think anyone was bragging about being on it i think we were saying we love the program and what it teaches not like "oh yeah im on wic im using the system yay" no not that at all

Who on earth gets educated??? WHo especially if you continue to go back and use the system.

People who use the program for the reasons its there do. In Texas we had to go to 2 hours a month of classes to continue the program. In Hawaii they didnt offer classes. It depends on the state and what education they require.

So in other words without the WIC program you cannot learn how to feed your children so they are healthy?? I learned from doctors what to feed the kids and what not.

so if you are against the wic program then why was your first child on it? what you couldnt afford to feed him? then maybe you shouldnt of had him

I was on WIC so I do know about it. My son could have been on it for 5 years because of his special needs but we didn't need to use it. I also would never have more kids if I had to use it.

NO ONE stated that they had kids just to be on wic....no i didn't need to be on it and no it is not factored into my budget. but wic does help out and i think it is a great program to have...they don't only give you the checks..they have classes to help teach ppl about breastfeeding, nutrition, and numerous other things...to say that it is wrong to be on wic is f**ked up..and why is bragging about it wrong? i am not ashamed to get help that is available to me....i mean come on, when you have kids,, any help is appreciated and i am glad they offer it....it is not like i am abusing the system or anything...i pay taxes for stuff like this and i am glad to see that my taxes do come back to me in some form instead of just going into politicians pockets...

Our child was special needs and we had to pay a lot out of pocket for medical expenses. He was on the program for about 6 months because of special formula issues. Then my dh got a substantial job promotion and we could afford the formula, the extra medical bills and another child.

So in other words without the WIC program you cannot learn how to feed your children so they are healthy?? I learned from doctors what to feed the kids and what not.


WIC is one more place of information. Of course a DR could help, but they are less likely to sit you down for an hour and help you figure out recipies that are healthy that YOUR kids like. DR are not going to mail you new recipies every month. DR's are going to refer breastfeeding mother to a breastfeeding specialist when they are having problems AND most likely that specialist will be at WIC.

but you were on wic and what were you ashamed of it? or were you happy that it was there for you? if it wasnt for his promotion would you have still been on it? it helped you out for 6 months. what would you have done without wic? its ok if your child needs special formula to be on wic but not reg formula is that it?

You can find recipes online. I know Tricare has nutritionists available. I am also very intelligent and can find stuff on the net if I need stuff. I am just saying WIC is not the only place to find info.

No I wasn't proud of it. I hated it. IMO it was shameful. I wanted to breastfeed and my son wouldn't take to it. HE was allergic to a lot of things. THey put him on that formula and he thrived. IF WIC wasnt there we would have gotten it from the doctor.

Who on earth gets educated??? WHo especially if you continue to go back and use the system.

I for one was educated on breastfeeding. I learned everything from them since my mom never bf me and I was 18 with no one else to ask. They were the ones who helped me when I was on my own at 20 married, my husband in the field for 6 weeks at a time, and I had no clue how to console a baby who ended up being allergic to formula and i couldn't get into the damn er becuase it was shut down due to rolling black outs. I never once said I stayed on the program and sucked them dry of their resources. I used them for a yr with Anya. 2 months with Schyular and never once with Timmy. I wasn't bragging i was curious about who else used their services. I am very grateful for them and what they do for women esp teen mothers who have nothing or no one to help them in proper feeding of their children

i agree wic isnt the only place you can find info but it is nice to attend these classes and ask questions about certain things and sign up for additional classes you cant get the interaction you get from a class online . did you not take these classes when they were available to you.

You can find recipes online. I know Tricare has nutritionists available. I am also very intelligent and can find stuff on the net if I need stuff. I am just saying WIC is not the only place to find info.


No one said WIC is the ONLY place. Some people cant navigate the internet so well. You normally have to have a referral to see a Tricare nutritionist which WIC can provide. ALSO, nothing replaces sitting face to face with a dietitian to discuss a particular issue.

You can find recipes online. I know Tricare has nutritionists available. I am also very intelligent and can find stuff on the net if I need stuff. I am just saying WIC is not the only place to find info.

How many teen moms do you know that have access to the internet? Seriously? I still volunteer at the teen parent center at my old high school. More then half of the girls there don't have internet access let a lone their own computer. And how many peole really have a good health care plan. I still remember the days of being a teen mom and no health insurance it took all my energy to get seen by someone who wouldnt cost me an arm and a leg

Well anyway that is how I feel about WIC. Thank for your opinions ladies. I will not change my mind on this. Those of you that feel I am ignorant you don't know me so that is a ignorant statement to make.

so you needed wic to help you. and it was ok for you to be on it but if we are on it and not shameful then thats wrong?

Well anyway that is how I feel about WIC. Thank for your opinions ladies. I will not change my mind on this. Those of you that feel I am ignorant you don't know me so that is a ignorant statement to make.

No but your posts on this topic speak miles for you

No I wasn't proud of it. I hated it. IMO it was shameful. I wanted to breastfeed and my son wouldn't take to it. HE was allergic to a lot of things. THey put him on that formula and he thrived. IF WIC wasnt there we would have gotten it from the doctor.


so its only ok for mother who have to buy special formula but not the mother that is anemic or has a child who is?

Could your dr not tell you to use special formula? If you were so ashamed you should have just used your dr.

im not here to change you mind as a matter a fact i could give a damn im just saying it isnt right to assume that everyone on wic is abusing the system

It also isnt right to come on here and tell people they should be ashamed to be getting free nutrition counselling.

It also isnt right to come on here and tell people they should be ashamed to be getting free nutrition counselling.
exactly:yes

OK, if I offend anyone with my statements, it isn't meant, I am just trying to get a point across.

WIC exists for nutrition education and assistance for lowER income pregnant and breastfeeding mothers and their children.

Statistics show that the lower the income level of the family, the lower the nutrition level of the family. Families try, but they don't always know the best ways to cook/feed their families.

Doctors are not nutritionists. They get the basics of nutrition, but not in depth study of it. I have seen some ridiculous recommendations that doctors have made in the intent of better nutrition, but cause more harm than good. (Ever heard of a doctor recommend putting a 3 or 5 year old on a diet? I have) I am not going to get into some of the recommendations I have heard for the feeding of infants, because that would surely offend more than one person.

Sure, the formula is great, it's what? 15 bucks a pop? and how many cans a month do you get? That is a lot of money to save over the course of a month, and many many people depend on that to get by.

I used WIC when pregnant and after the birth of both of my children, because hubby was an E-4, and we qualified. State and sales taxes are there to fund such programs as this, and if you qualify for them, and they will better your education and whatever else is provided by them, then use them by all means.

exactly laurie we dont make tons of money and if ya need it use it

Furthermore, why should any one us be ashamed of the money our dh's make? Its almost as if you are saying that those who qualify due to income should be ashamed because they married someone who does make a lot of money.

My dh is a chief and our income is only over by $60. 185% the national poverty level is quite high.

Very well said Laurie :yes

I cant even respond right now, I am fuming. I only used it for 6 months when we were in Charleston, and havent even tried to get it out here....but I will more then likely use it again with this little one. I honestly am dumbfounded by people and their comments....

Well WIC used to constantly tell me my son was way to heavy. The doctors were upset with that. He was not heavy in the least. Of all the women I have met that are on WIC never ever once talked about the nutrition classes they have. Most of them talk about how they wish the WIC personnel would quit trying to make them go.

The only thing I am offended about in this debate is some woman making a personal attack on myself. I have not called anyone a name in this debate whatsoever. Thank you Laurie for the info.

No I wasn't proud of it. I hated it. IMO it was shameful. I wanted to breastfeed and my son wouldn't take to it. HE was allergic to a lot of things. THey put him on that formula and he thrived. IF WIC wasnt there we would have gotten it from the doctor.


If WIC is so shameful, why didn't you "get it from the doctor" then? And are you really telling us that you shouldn't have children if you need to go on WIC, yet, you had to b/c you couldn't afford the expensive formula, doesn't that mean that you weren't "financially prepared" either?

And it's more shameful to rag on a program that YOU took advantage of than to be happy to enjoy the benefits WIC provides.

when you are in the military and get pregnant they give you all the info you need about wic. why do you think that is? because they want you to abuse the program? no because it is a great program and because of this program many infants that wouldnt have done so well without the extra help are now thriving!! how dare you say that that is wrong

I hardly think any military family out there could abuse the system....we dont make much, period.

jennifer have you ever taken any of these classes?

I dare because that is what I think. If you know you are not going to be able to have kids without going on WIC dont have them.

I have stated a couple times on this thread also my son was special needs and we were prepared financially for a normal child. Not for one that required so much medical care.

If WIC is so shameful, why didn't you "get it from the doctor" then? And are you really telling us that you shouldn't have children if you need to go on WIC, yet, you had to b/c you couldn't afford the expensive formula, doesn't that mean that you weren't "financially prepared" either?

And it's more shameful to rag on a program that YOU took advantage of than to be happy to enjoy the benefits WIC provides.

I completely agree

They did not offer classes 16 years ago. They gave us brochures.

From a paper in school


WIC is 185% the national poverty level so MANY more people can participate. Also, you can be a millionaire and still qualify due to anemina or another common woman problem. It is NOT welfare. It is a referral program. It is a breastfeeding promotion program. It is free information and teaching program. Most states require regular monthly classes that teach mothers how to prepare quick, easy, nutritious snacks and meals.

So many people think its just the government handing out free money. It is not. It is a USDA program that focuses on certain childhood issues. The more people that use it the more healthy children become. Hopefully with programs like these and others America will slim down some and the obesity epidemic will end.

And as for people using it as the only means to feed their children is crazy. You only get about 6 gallons of milk, 2 boxes of cereal, dozen eggs, jar of peanut butter, pound of cheese, and 6 bottles of juice. That is NOT enough to sustain a child each month. The formula for babies is enough for the first few months but the they start eating more than what you get so parents have to buy more then too. I have never heard of anyone having a child because WIC will feed them.

Exactly!!

I was on WIC when I was pregnant with Noah, and I used it for me, Emily and then Noah when he was born. It is NOT welfare! It is a program ran through the USDA. I never went on WIC to feed my kids. I could still afford to feed them. I don't use it now, because we don't qualify. WIC also helped pay for formula, which as we all know is NOT cheap. There are well respected people out there who could still use WIC. I have never seen it abused, but I am sure it has been abused by people. That was a very ignorant statement you made Jennifer, and you have no right making the women on here who use it feel like trash.

so you havent done wic in a while well in 16 years they have change alot of things maybe you should look into the wic program and what it now has to offer

They did not offer classes 16 years ago. They gave us brochures.


So back off, the program has obviously changed a lot since you were on it. There is no need to shame the mothers on this board who use it for more than to supplement the food they feed to thier children.

Well WIC used to constantly tell me my son was way to heavy. The doctors were upset with that. He was not heavy in the least. Of all the women I have met that are on WIC never ever once talked about the nutrition classes they have. Most of them talk about how they wish the WIC personnel would quit trying to make them go.

The only thing I am offended about in this debate is some woman making a personal attack on myself. I have not called anyone a name in this debate whatsoever. Thank you Laurie for the info.

Isn't it "ignorant" to make a generalized statement about those using WIC? Just like you said that we don't know you, you don't know those of us who use WIC... only your personal experiences. Please don't generalize us a whole like that. If we want to take advantage of a program to benefit us and our children, what is really the problem in that?

Have a good day you all go on and attack me. Sarah you have your own agenda about me.

I was on WIC so I do know about it. My son could have been on it for 5 years because of his special needs but we didn't need to use it. I also would never have more kids if I had to use it.

Every kid can be on it for 5 years, not just special needs.

Have a good day you all go on and attack me. Sarah you have your own agenda about me.

come on now...in all seriousness, did you not think the program had evolved over the last 16 years. There is no shame at all in using it, do you have a job?~ I do, and I defintiely dont mind my tax dollars going to something helping children/pregnant woman get the nutrition they need.

I have stated a couple times on this thread also my son was special needs and we were prepared financially for a normal child. Not for one that required so much medical care.

Wasn't that a thought that crossed your mind throughout the course of the pregnancy? That was pretty ignorant of yourself to think it wouldn't happen to you. To say that anyone is completely financially prepared is ridiculous when you are a military family... you can prepare all you want.. things like a special need child, a loss of a job, etc can affect your budget and you can't prepare for those. It's ridiculous of you to think that it was okay for you to be on WIC, but not others, b/c you had a special case.

well i feel that with your opening statement that you have attacked us that still use wic so excuse me if im alittle pissed what did you expect would come of this debate? that everyone would just agree with you? i think not!

You can find recipes online. I know Tricare has nutritionists available. I am also very intelligent and can find stuff on the net if I need stuff. I am just saying WIC is not the only place to find info.


It may not be the only place, but it is another place with qualified people who are willing to sit down and take the time to talk to you about your family's personal needs.

I lost 10 lbs in the 4th and 5th months of this pregnancy due to depression cause by some issues that were going on here at home. My doctor asked me about the weight loss and we sat and talked about things for as long as she could until she had another appointment. When we had to cut the conversation short she asked me if I had a WIC appointment anytime soon and when I told her I had one later that week she was relieved. At my WIC appointment I was able to sit for an hour with the counsellor and talk about everything. The only reason I left after an hour was because I had another appointment to get to. The counsellor would only give me 1 months worth of checks and made another appointment for me for the next month. I've been seeing the same lady every month at WIC ever since and let me tell you, she is a godsend.

With my daughter I had no breastfeeding support at the hospital and ended up formula feeding because it was "easier". I was on WIC, but the office in Texas wasn't very personal and everyone there seemed very hurried and like they were trying to get you out of there. Here, I've heard that the lactation consultants at the hospital are great and I will also be taking breast feeding classes through WIC.

Yeah, sometimes everything I get from WIC is too much but then the next month I just don't buy so much. I've just stopped buying juice with it because we don't drink enough of it. Right now with me being pregnant and Mara being on it too we are getting 10 gallons of milk every month and I still end up buying more. I don't even know how much we save every month by being on WIC. I don't budget it in, but it helps a great deal. Neither of my children were planned in anyway. Believe me, the timing with this pregnancy could have been so much better, but I'd never give either of them up for anything.

My husband is an E-4 and he gets paid wages that damn near qualify us for Food Stamps (The only reason we don't is because of Sea Pay.) and it's my preference to be the one raising my children instead of some random person being paid minimum wage at a day care center. That's my preference, but I'm not appauled or offended by those mom's who decide to go to work and put their kids in day care. I would never feel the need to tell them that they're wrong for not staying home. Why are you basically telling us we're wrong for being on WIC?

I think we've all lost sight of the real issue here...that MILITARY personnel are paid so little that we qualify for WIC!

I think we've all lost sight of the real issue here...that MILITARY personnel are paid so little that we qualify for WIC!
yep and if we quailify for it there is a reason to take what is offered to us

Have a good day you all go on and attack me. Sarah you have your own agenda about me.

Well Jennifer, if you didn't have your opening post so hostile, I am sure you would have had better responses. You came on already swinging.

Well Jennifer, if you didn't have your opening post so hostile, I am sure you would have had better responses. You came on already swinging.
:yes yay sarah we are agreeing!!!! lol

Have a good day you all go on and attack me. Sarah you have your own agenda about me.

I really don't think any personal agendas anyone may have against anyone else is an issue in this debate. You're just preaching to the wrong choir.

I really don't think any personal agendas anyone may have against anyone else is an issue in this debate. You're just preaching to the wrong choir.


Exactly. I wasn't thinking about my "agenda" I have against you Jennifer :rolleyes . I was responding to a debate.

whatever she is just mad cause no one is agreeing with her and thats fine she has her opion and everyone else has theirs but when you start a topic off bitchy and saying everyone is wrong wrong wrong for helping their child thrive then yeah people will be bitchy right back

myself included

hawaii now requires nutrition education classes to stay qualified for WIC. i see no problem using the program if you qualify. i see nothing wrong with using resources available to you. and who is someone to tell me not to have more children because i use a program that is out there and available to me?

it's not like the welfare system which is screwed up beyond belief.

i think the problem is that some people are too proud to use what is out there for them to use.

hawaii now requires nutrition education classes to stay qualified for WIC. i see no problem using the program if you qualify. i see nothing wrong with using resources available to you. and who is someone to tell me not to have more children because i use a program that is out there and available to me?

it's not like the welfare system which is screwed up beyond belief.

i think the problem is that some people are too proud to use what is out there for them to use.


I'm glad Hawaii has changed their policy. When I was working for them they were discussing it.


I also agree that pride has a lot to do with it.

. IF WIC wasnt there we would have gotten it from the doctor.
if you soo ashamed to be on wic then why didnt you get it from the doctor before getting on wic? i would think if you hated the idea of being on wic soooo much that you would try other venues first

did you know that 45% of the infants (under age one) are on the wic program?? wow half the country is wrong! shame on us!!!

Thanks for this. You just gave me all the energy I need to clean my whole house :hehe

i cannot believe someone would attack people for using a great resource the gov't offers. i have looked into programs like WIC just so I can be educated about where tax money is going. i picked up the brochures at the doctor and then went online to read more. i think it is a fabulous program. I commend people who know they need help and go get it rather then sit at home without enough formula for their babies becuase they are ashamed. i dont think doing what is right for your family is ANYTHING at all to be ashamed of.

WIC offers education that, as michelle said, many mothers need. Seriously, if i was to be 18 and pregnant i would be on WIC In a heartbeat so I could get the education and assistance that i needed.

Jennifer, if your circumstance was "special" due to your son's needs, who are you to say that there are not extrenuating circumstances in other people's situations too?

This is such an age old arugement. I say if a person is eligible then they have a right to use it.

oh my I kinda jumped in the middle of this but I think wic is a great program. I was in no way ashamed to be using it when I did. I got what I needed and when I didnt need it any more I stopped using it. I know so many young women that have learned a great deal from this program. I think drs expect a mom to already know what to do. I know none of my kids drs have ever sat down with me and told me the best things to feed my kids. No im not stupied I know that a donut is not a healthy breakfast. It was nice to have the extra support. They told me the right things to eat when I was having trouble gaining weight during my pregnancy they never once made me feel bad for being 18 and being pregnant. My mid wife on the other hand was nice but she said little things that did make feel upset. I didnt get pregnant on pourpose the first time and I could have provided for my son just fine but the program was there and I used it. Im glad I did and Im glad to tell others about it. I would have no guilt going down to the office right now and signing up again either.

This is hardly a debate. Usually when you debate something each side presents their argument, with supporting evidence for their position, etc.
If you don't agree with the program, that's fine (Goodness knows my parents hate WIC or any other govt. run program). But it's completely wrong to tell others what to do, in this case tell them not to have children because they use a program that they're completely qualified to use.
There is an obvious difference of opinion, not much of a debate.

If you dont' like it, don't use it, plain and simple. I don't see why bash those who need it or qualify for it and utilize the resource available to them. *shrug*

shit, i, as a single mom on ONE income don't even qualify... HOWEVER, if i did, and needed it, i would use it. programs like WIC were developed for a reason, and if you HONESTLY (meaning, disclose all your income, etc) qualify for the program -- USE IT. they set the guidelines and regulations (that determine who is eligible) for a reason and because the cost of living is so high, believe that people who fall under a certain income threshold could use the additional help. who cares if they so choose to use it... it is their right... hell, we're all taxpayers... the people who could use the extra might as well take what they deserve and need.

Holy Crap Am I Livid!! :mad I'm not sure where to even begin...

WIC is an extremely helpful program and beneficial on so many levels. Not everyone is in the military or in a job that pays well enough for everything without assistance, especially in high-cost living areas. I don't know anyone, or know OF anyone who would learn of a program like WIC and say, "hey, we can't afford a child right now but we can take full advantage of this program and we'll be fine, let's have a baby!" I don't know anyone that stupid. Having a baby costs so much more than just being able to afford the food. The WIC program is not about encouraging women to have babies or teaching them that it's ok to continue having babies even though they can't afford them without the extra assistance. There is this wonderful thing called Birth Control? And most, not all but most, women are aware of this and can get it with little to no money at a Planned Parenthood clinic. Also, talking of all the educational classes offered on the internet - not everyone has access to the internet. I do, but I still think I would prefer an in-class atmosphere so that I can interact with other parents and more easily ask questions and get answers.

But let me try to get one thing straight... It sounds to me like, because you couldn't breastfeed like you wanted to, and the only way to feed your child was with special formula, that you couldn't afford on your own, you chose to be ASHAMED of the help that was offered to you?! And you're trying to tell us that you are NOT arrogant? If you had to use WIC, you did use WIC, how the hell does that give you the right to tear other women down who also use the same program because of no other choice?

"If you know you are not going to be able to have kids without going on WIC" - so, you're telling me you KNEW that your child was going to be born with special needs and KNEW you would be able to afford everything? Um, wow, apparently not! Come on now, saying something like that is just wrong. If people were supposed to not have kids until they had enough money for anything that might happen at any time in their lives, without ever having to use help from something, we would never be having kids!!

And please, you tell me where I can find a Dr. who will supply me with all the formula, or as much as the WIC program provides, that I will need. Seriously, I would love to have a pediatrician like that! Who wouldn't?

And last, for you to tell us that you are not an arrogant person, that we don't know you - maybe you should look up the definition of 'Arrogant', because with the things you have been saying, to me they make you the most arrogant person I have ever met. And technically no, we have never actually "met" and I don't know you, but I do know enough from the things that you have typed to know that yes, in this case, you are extremely arrogant and it makes me sick.

To say you were ashamed to use the help that was offered to you in order to give your child the proper nutrition they needed....that's just so sad. SO, does this mean that if you were to get pregnant again, and say the next child was born with special needs and the Dr. referred you to the WIC program, you wouldn't use it because you would be too ashamed? :no

I don't even know what else to say....wow.... :mad

Wow.

I don't think anyone on WIC has any reason to be ashamed. Like previously mentioned, it is not welfare. I seriously doubt that qualifying for WIC is the deciding factor for people to have more children. I was only on WIC for about 3 or 4 weeks when Shelby was first born. It had NOTHING to do with not being able to afford her and everything to do with "if I qualify and if I'm not taking the $$ out of anyone else's pocket, then why not!". They didn't supply the type of formula that Shelby used, so I got off. And guess what, we pay for her formula just fine on our own- all $180 a month worth. WIC really does not offer that much help, financially. They mostly educate you and supplement you with a FEW healthy things each month. Every little bit helps, which is why I think most people use it. Not because they can't afford to feed their children. I doubt WIC is going to make such a huge difference for anyone between being able to afford to feed your child and not. They offer a few gallons of milk, a jar of peanut butter, some cheese, cereal and juice. Whoopidy Doo. But like I said, I think everyone is thankful for every little bit they can get to HELP.

If you disgree with the WIC program, that's fine. But I think making a statement that people who can't afford to feed their children (implying that people on WIC can not afford to feed their kids) should not have any more is extremely ignorant. It sounds ignorant on your part because WIC is NOT going to feed a child what they need to sustain life. It merely supplements a few healthy things into their diet.

I think it is sad for you to come here and attack women with such complete crap! My dh and I definately do not struggle but we DO qualify for WIC and it helps tremendously when you have a child that goes through a gallon of milk every 2 days! We are not rich (who in the military is??!!) and yes we could make it without the help of WIC but every little bit helps when living on a military income! Oh and I plan to have several more kids so I guess I'm YOUR prime target, lol. You say you are not an ignorant person and that we are all stupid if we think that but the way you present yourself by making the comments you have made in thread definately don't make you look intelligent! I don't even know you and I'm not on here enough to even fell like I know you but the way you present yourself says alot!

Oh and it's ok to feel strongly about a subject or even feel against the majority (that's what debates are for) but the important part it to remember to present yourself with some tact. When you attack others just to get your point across your make your point seem MUCH less vaild ;)

They did not offer classes 16 years ago. They gave us brochures.

This is NOT true. I took classes WIC offered 16 years ago. In Washington State. Yes they did give brochures but they did offer the classes as well.

Cool glad I could help. I still disagree with all of you. I should have remembered where I was before I posted about this.

I have never used WIC (no kids) and because of the income level between myself and my husband, we probably will not qualify unless our child-to-be is special needs. I do, however, see the merits to the counseling, training, and care to mothers and children who need it and would use it if I could because I see it as an invaluable resource, simply for the wealth of information that the program has.

Yes, I will grant that there are those that abuse the system. However, I do not think that any one on this site has done so or intends to do so. Babies have a strange way of coming as a suprise, therefore, being financially ready is not always an alternative. Even though you can be some-what ready for a healthy baby, when a child has special needs, no one is ever ready.

In this day and age, not everyone has access to the internet. The people who need this program the most certainly do not. There are also many, many problems to using the information provided on the internet. First of all, what source did it come from? Second of all, is the source actually reliable? Third of all, how can you positively prove that the person that you are getting information from is qualified to give that information? There are people that cannot make this distinction, and cannot afford the kind of healthcare that will give them hours of one-on-one time with their doctors. Therefore, WIC is an ideal source.

Cool glad I could help. I still disagree with all of you. I should have remembered where I was before I posted about this.


So, why post it? Or why hang around here if that's how you feel? I just don't get it.


I don't think it has anything to do with where you're at. If you fly off the handle, making false claims (that people who are on WIC can not afford to feed their own child), I don't care who you're talking to, you're going to catch some shit for it. I'm sure at least half the people on here use or have used WIC and you have just implied that they can not afford to have children, therefore they should not have anymore children. Any you think you could say that to anyone without them getting pissed off? You have just passed judgement on a lot of people and their right to reproduce without even knowing them.

So, why post it? Or why hang around here if that's how you feel? I just don't get it.


I don't think it has anything to do with where you're at. If you fly off the handle, making false claims (that people who are on WIC can not afford to feed their own child), I don't care who you're talking to, you're going to catch some shit for it. I'm sure at least half the people on here use or have used WIC and you have just implied that they can not afford to have children, therefore they should not have anymore children. Any you think you could say that to anyone without them getting pissed off? You have just passed judgement on a lot of people and their right to reproduce without even knowing them.

I definitely agree with this....why would you get so mad, I see everyone here offering their experiences and why it has worked for them. So you dont agree with it okay, thats that. But saying you should have thought about where you were posting??? You came back here voluntarily, right?

Cool glad I could help. I still disagree with all of you. I should have remembered where I was before I posted about this.


You have got to be kidding me :rolleyes

No one asked you to come back, so if you don't like it, then by all means leave. No one is keeping you here.

So, why post it? Or why hang around here if that's how you feel? I just don't get it.


I don't think it has anything to do with where you're at. If you fly off the handle, making false claims (that people who are on WIC can not afford to feed their own child), I don't care who you're talking to, you're going to catch some shit for it. I'm sure at least half the people on here use or have used WIC and you have just implied that they can not afford to have children, therefore they should not have anymore children. Any you think you could say that to anyone without them getting pissed off? You have just passed judgement on a lot of people and their right to reproduce without even knowing them.

I agree. Jennifer you know me. You met me. I used WIC. Yep I could of afforded my milk while pregnant. But I qualified and it saved me some money. I stayed on it after EThan was born. I tried like hell to breastfeed but after 4 and a half months had to stop. All the while I got supplemental formula from them and then full formula after 4 months. Could I of afforded to buy my own. Yep I sure could. Did it help me to save the money getting WIC? You bet. After Ethan turned 1 year old we no longer qualified so I didn't pursue it. Big deal. If we get pregnant again I will go back and see if I qualify for WIC. Why? Because the program is there to HELP families. If you qualify then likely you do need the help. Plain and simple.

Did you know the WIC program is part of the USDA food program that includes school lunches and the like. It is NOT like welfare where it takes away from people etc. The program is there to help people. Why do you think you go off at age 5? Because your child starts school and enrolls in the school lunch program.

And umm lemme tell you...Unless you have walked a mile in my shoes, michelles shoes, etc then dont presume to judge. Thats a little rude and lemme tell you..For you to ASSUME people are abusing the program because they are on it is pretty darn childish. A debate is great! To just flat out start a post talking about how totally wrong something is and its your opinion is ridiculous. Back up your opinion with facts. Or else it isnt a debate. Its a post simply to piss others off.

Guess you better keep on looking down your nose at me and others. Because if I do get pregnant again and I qualify for WIC I WILL go on it. And lemme just say..MY WIC OFFICE HERE ASKS PEOPLE TO JOIN. They SPECIFICALLY say if you QUALIFY THEN YOU SHOULD JOIN. It promotes healthy eating etc. And good grief it isnt like you are getting hundreds of dollars of food. yeah the formula adds up but when no formula is given I'd say you are getting maybe 50 bucks a month...Yeah thats gold yo..Lemme go screw the system for 50 bucks a month....:rolleyes I qualify, I qualify and that means that I have earned the right to use it. Period.

Cool glad I could help. I still disagree with all of you. I should have remembered where I was before I posted about this.
why are you being childish about this? its a debate no need to cry about it

Hell yeah I used it even with 3 kids we didn't HAVE TO HAVE IT but it sure come in handy!!
We could afford what our kids needed but it saved us a little money to be able to use that extra towards something else that they may have needed.
BTW just for the record. I ALWAYS used coupons with my vouchers too. Yeah I try to save any body money even if it the gov in some shape or form.

Hell yeah I used it even with 3 kids we didn't HAVE TO HAVE IT but it sure come in handy!!
We could afford what our kids needed but it saved us a little money to be able to use that extra towards something else that they may have needed.
BTW just for the record. I ALWAYS used coupons with my vouchers too. Yeah I try to save any body money even if it the gov in some shape or form.
us too and we use our store card

The doctors in the hospital (after dd was born) actually told me to make sure and sign up for wic. They could not stress it enough. We were on it for a bit and it really did help out.

The doctors in the hospital (after dd was born) actually told me to make sure and sign up for wic. They could not stress it enough. We were on it for a bit and it really did help out.
yep like i said befor dhs command reemed his ass out cause i didnt get on it right awat w/ teegan

At the WIC office here, they have flyers and cards that they give you to hand out with their appt line and location. They tell you if you have any friends who are pregnant or have small children, to please have them sign up. They really strongly encourage spreading the word and helping where they can.

Cool glad I could help. I still disagree with all of you. I should have remembered where I was before I posted about this.
Where are you ????

Where are you ????


:roflmao

I think that I do not have kids and I know nothing about thw WIC program ,I do now .I believe you came on here today with this deabte to start crap ! I also believe you have a right to say what you want ,however sometimes we should just keep out opinions to ourselves !

Where are you ????


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:lovestruck :wub :hug :wiggle :gay :cloud9 :cheer :wacko :attack :grphug :sweetie

She is in the land of http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/dups_smallfry/misc/bbutterflies.jpg


:lovestruck :wub :hug :wiggle :gay :cloud9 :cheer :wacko :attack :grphug :sweetie

Over the rainbow!!! :lmao

:roflmao She is in the land of http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v68/dups_smallfry/misc/bbutterflies.jpg


:lovestruck :wub :hug :wiggle :gay :cloud9 :cheer :wacko :attack :grphug :sweetie
:lmao

Brandi :rofl

That is what I was thinking Ladies !!!!!

:roflmao :roflmao

Brenda, I love your synical humor! :D :hehe

I think if you are to have children planning on the WIC program to help you out is very very wrong. If you cannot afford to feed your own children then quit having them. I can understand being on the WIC program for a little bit to help out. Please don't use the WIC program to save money or use it as part of your budget. I think people abuse the program and it is one of the worst run programs out there.

I have read the ENTIRE 10 page debate and say I agree with EVERYONE except YOU.

This is NOT the way you start a debate Jennifer. This is the way drama trolls get there jollies off! You OBVIOUSLY wanted to start issues here.

Every WIC office you go to encourages you to get people to sign up for it. My family did not quailify until I was pregnant with my daughter. Let's see, we weren't military yet. I worked full-time and my husband worked full-time. We were HAPPY to finally qualify for WIC for once! I have now been on it for almost 2 years. I am so sorry that the couple gallons of milk, some eggs, cereal, cheese and peanut butter are helping my family out a teeny-tiny bit!

It is not the worst run program out there. It is actually one of the best running programs I have ever seen put together!

If someone is seriously feeding their child a PB sandwich using cereal and cheese- I SO GOTTA SEE THAT SHIT!!!

I dare because that is what I think. If you know you are not going to be able to have kids without going on WIC dont have them.

I have stated a couple times on this thread also my son was special needs and we were prepared financially for a normal child. Not for one that required so much medical care.


I was on WIC for 3 months with Ethan, then got off on it. It was rough but I lived in MS and felt bad for the other moms. With Elijah, I had to quit working at 4 months b/c of some discrimination at work. I didn't go back to work. I was on WIC till this month when he turned one. I don't need it anymore as he isn't on formula(prosobee).
You are saying I shouldn't have had Elijah. How dare you sit there and tell people what they should and should not do. I did not forsee I would have to quit before 7 months(I have to quit then b.c of health issues). Then I didn't go back to work b/c we werent sure when we were PCSing and other factors.

Yeah, I guess my 3rd one on the way is a mistake also. :no

If someone is seriously feeding their child a PB sandwich using cereal and cheese- I SO GOTTA SEE THAT SHIT!!!


You asked for it :neutral


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Is it NUMMY!?!?!? :roflmao OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I (L) you silly!!!

:lmao

:roflmao Omg Brandi no you didn't I can't breath :roflmao

Yeah, I guess my 3rd one on the way is a mistake also. :no


Yeah really woman shouldnt you know what causes that by now.:lmao

It just pissed me off. Not everyone has this picture perfect cookie cutter life.

omg brandi
:rofl :rofl girl you have to much time on your hands you better eat that or you might be abusing the system:thumbsup

I aint even going to get in this.. Well yeah I am.. WIC is a wonderful program and whats her face that started this you are at the top of my dumba** list CONGRADULATIONS !!!!

omg brandi
:rofl :rofl girl you have to much time on your hands you better eat that or you might be abusing the system:thumbsup


Jaxon is eating it :rofl It's the new WIC diet.

I had to kinda scrimp on all the ingredients. I am trying to conserve! :yes

Oh, wait. I'm not even on WIC :neutral

omg brandi
:rofl :rofl girl you have to much time on your hands you better eat that or you might be abusing the system:thumbsup


Didn't you know? That's the new WIC diet, it's all the rage......... :roflmao

OMG Brandi!!! Girl, you crack me up!! :roflmao

the picture of that sandwich is so saved on my computer now, and is the background. you just made my day

That kind of looks like constipation on a plate, lol. At least it would be for my kids (they're lactose intolerant :duh )

OMG Brandi :roflmao

:lmao Brandi, you ROCK!! Thank You!! Like the phrase goes, "a picture is worth a thousand words". Enough said.

...that is just too funny, I keep going back and looking at it.:sick :roflmao

Jaxon is eating it :rofl It's the new WIC diet.

I had to kinda scrimp on all the ingredients. I am trying to conserve! :yes

Oh, wait. I'm not even on WIC :neutral


OMG!!! I am loosing it over here!!!! :lmao :lmao
Killin me Brandi!!!

I have read through all of this, not knowing anything about WIC beforehand, and now that I know all about it I will def. be checking into it when we get preggo with our first!!! :yes
To have everyone minus ONE all for the program...sounds a little fishy to me.

I also wanted to say.........I was on WIC in WA state, the Bremerton office almost 14 years ago and they offered classes back then. I remember attending some of those classes. I have been on WIC in the states of Oklahoma, Washington, Iowa, California, and Guam. Each state has it's own guidelines. It is a wonderful program and no one should be ashamed or made to feel ashamed for participating in it.

I believe, you, Jennifer should be ashamed, for making all of these young ladies on here to feel less of themselves. If, I remember right are you not going to school to be a social worker of some sort.........shame on you.

Oh my gosh, could you see a little kid sitting down to dinner with that plate staring up at him??!!?? POOR KID!!!

Oh my gosh, could you see a little kid sitting down to dinner with that plate staring up at him??!!?? POOR KID!!!
mine would eat it:lmao

You all are right. I should have never come back here. Too many of you women are just pathetic. I like who I am and am pretty darn happy. Being on WIC to save money is just wrong wrong wrong. Being on WIC just because you can is wrong. WHen you all go out and buy your Coach purses and drive brand new vehicles while on a government program. I really don't want to know most of you. It is also pathetic that you all think you are owed free stuff because you are in the military. It is sad well I hope someday you learn to quit taking and start making something of yourselves.

Please Brandi do delete my account here.

You all are right. I should have never come back here. Too many of you women are just pathetic. I like who I am and am pretty darn happy. Being on WIC to save money is just wrong wrong wrong. Being on WIC just because you can is wrong. WHen you all go out and buy your Coach purses and drive brand new vehicles while on a government program. I really don't want to know most of you. It is also pathetic that you all think you are owed free stuff because you are in the military. It is sad well I hope someday you learn to quit taking and start making something of yourselves.
let me tell you something i dont have ANY extra money to do anything i am lucky to be able to go out once a month with my hubby so i dont wanna hear your shit about how we have coach bags and blah blah blah just shut up and get a fing life!!:mad you apperantly dont know shit about fuck there women:banghead

You all are right. I should have never come back here. Too many of you women are just pathetic. I like who I am and am pretty darn happy. Being on WIC to save money is just wrong wrong wrong. Being on WIC just because you can is wrong. WHen you all go out and buy your Coach purses and drive brand new vehicles while on a government program. I really don't want to know most of you. It is also pathetic that you all think you are owed free stuff because you are in the military. It is sad well I hope someday you learn to quit taking and start making something of yourselves.

WOW :shock Obviously this stems deeper than a WIC "debate"

You all are right. I should have never come back here. Too many of you women are just pathetic. I like who I am and am pretty darn happy. Being on WIC to save money is just wrong wrong wrong. Being on WIC just because you can is wrong. WHen you all go out and buy your Coach purses and drive brand new vehicles while on a government program. I really don't want to know most of you. It is also pathetic that you all think you are owed free stuff because you are in the military. It is sad well I hope someday you learn to quit taking and start making something of yourselves.

And once again who are YOU to tell us who we are. You know nothing of us. You have no clue what we have done in life or on the path to where we are going you self rightgeous bitch. and yes I said it. You are a disgrace and a hypocryte (i dont give a damn about my spelling either). How dare you talk down on those who use this program. I pray that your chidl will not grow up with such closemindedness as you have shown today. Good bye and don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya :wavey

Please Brandi do delete my account here.

:yes

yes brandi do delete her

Jennifer, in all due respect, I think you have to realize that this is in the debate board. If you ask a question, you are going to get differing opinions....some are very passionate replies. Everyone, including you, has a right to their opinion whether or not you agree with it.

If you want to have your account deleted, then so be it. But I think doing so, is very childish & you would miss out in a great bunch of women!

That being said, I think WIC is an excellent program. Yes there are those who abuse it just as there are ones who don't. I needed it & did use it when my first was little. If I were in dire straights, I'd use it again.

OMG that WIC sandwich was tooooo funny!! I love it!!

You all are right. I should have never come back here. Too many of you women are just pathetic. I like who I am and am pretty darn happy. Being on WIC to save money is just wrong wrong wrong. Being on WIC just because you can is wrong. WHen you all go out and buy your Coach purses and drive brand new vehicles while on a government program. I really don't want to know most of you. It is also pathetic that you all think you are owed free stuff because you are in the military. It is sad well I hope someday you learn to quit taking and start making something of yourselves.
I dont know anything about the WIC so I cant really comment on it, but I'd just like to say that your comments are shocking! There have been several heated debates so far on this forum but so far everyone has kept it civil and tried to keep personal issues seperate. To start a debate by telling people that they are straight out WRONG is just asking for trouble. What do you hope to achieve by telling people they're pathetic?

OMG Brandi:lmao :screwy

this is past the point of being ridiculous. being on WIC doesn't take away from other people. using it to save money isn't abusing the system. most programs like this lose money if people don't use them which is probably why they try to recruit people that qualify. using WIC isn't going to save you enough money to buy a new vehicle or buy some expensive handbag either. so what if i have a new van and use WIC? we have a new car because we budgeted for one. saving $20 a month with WIC isn't enough to make a car payment. you can't rely on WIC to pay for your whole grocery bill, geez.

most people are going to get snippy if you come along and tell them they are wrong and pathetic for using a SUPPLEMENTAL government program, and/or telling them they shouldn't have kids because using WIC obviously means they can't afford them.

ETA: yes, it does stem deaper than just this debate.

well she didnt last long this time :rolleyes

ETA: yes, it does stem deaper than just this debate.

:yes Definatly was

I will just say this
I don't go for expensive things (except for my photography hobby) which started pretty recently and my children are no longer on the program.
My extra money went toward being able to take my kids on a "family" Vacation and money into the bank for their college education!!! Not sure how that is wrong
Cause certainly 25 dollars a month or so is not some outrageous amount of money :rolleyes

Well, I know she'll be back :rolleyes . She has a history of doing this. This won't be the last you see of her.

well she didnt last long this time :rolleyes

She did last longer then I orginially thought she would tho :hehe

boy I am gonna go curl up with my mink coat and sit in my mercedes and watch a DVD while buying stuff on my laptop, and eating bons bons with the money I saved from WIC :lmao

Well, I know she'll be back :rolleyes . She has a history of doing this. This won't be the last you see of her.
Really? :neutral it's funny how some people get their kicks..

maybe she shouldnt be able to come back

Kristi, you baaaaaaaaaaaaaad girl!! :tsk

:lmao

Don't forget about those Manalo Blanik and Jimmy Choo shoes you bought with that WIC money :hehe

Some things never cease to amaze me. How many times do we have to go through this before you realize you do not want to be a part of this group- for good? I hope you find another group out there somewhere where you feel like they like you enough that they're willing to let you talk like that to them and not have the same reaction that everyone here did. BIG difference between having a mature debate and going about things the way you did. I truly believe that you were fishing for the reaction you got when you first started this post. This post could have very well been a decent, educational debate where we could all swap opinions and knowledge but, instead, you started things out by pretty much implying that about 75% of the women on this board have no business reproducing.

Per your request, your account has been deleted. I have nothing else to say to you.

Kristi, you baaaaaaaaaaaaaad girl!! :tsk

:lmao

Don't forget about those Manalo Blanik and Jimmy Choo shoes you bought with that WIC money :hehe

Sheeeeet you know it!! Got my BLING with the money from WIC!

Really? :neutral it's funny how some people get their kicks..

Oh yes, but that's a whole other topic.

damn busted i guess i should take back the flat screen tv thenhuh?

Some things never cease to amaze me. How many times do we have to go through this before you realize you do not want to be a part of this group- for good? I hope you find another group out there somewhere where you feel like they like you enough that they're willing to let you talk like that to them and not have the same reaction that everyone here did. BIG difference between having a mature debate and going about things the way you did. I truly believe that you were fishing for the reaction you got when you first started this post. This post could have very well been a decent, educational debate where we could all swap opinions and knowledge but, instead, you started things out by pretty much implying that about 75% of the women on this board have no business reproducing.

Per your request, your account has been deleted. I have nothing else to say to you.


:yes

maybe she shouldnt be able to come back


She isn't.

You know, I guess I should be happy I don't have WIC anymore, because I would look pretty silly walking into their office carrying my Louis Vuitton :lmao.


Wait, I have done that! :roflmao

You all are right. I should have never come back here. Too many of you women are just pathetic. I like who I am and am pretty darn happy. Being on WIC to save money is just wrong wrong wrong. Being on WIC just because you can is wrong. WHen you all go out and buy your Coach purses and drive brand new vehicles while on a government program. I really don't want to know most of you. It is also pathetic that you all think you are owed free stuff because you are in the military. It is sad well I hope someday you learn to quit taking and start making something of yourselves.

Too many of us are pathetic?!? GET REAL!! At least us women have enough pride to get help when it is offered, instead of being ashamed of something that is helping our children. I like who I am and I am very happy, and I am proud of myself for who I am and how far I have come in life, and I am in no way ashamed to admit that I used the WIC program for almost a year. I did NOT use it to save money, I used it because I didn't have the money and my son needed to eat and needed proper nutrition. I see no problem there. And who the f*ck gives you the right to say that we all use or have used the WIC program just because we can so it saves money for us to go out and buy fancy shit? How dare you say that!! I will also have you know that while I was on WIC my husband was NOT in the military. And again, how dare you say that we all think we are owed free stuff because we're in the military. Are you in base housing? Do you use TRICARE health insurance? Because um, yeah, it's offered to you FREE because you're in the military! Are you ashamed of using those things too? I think more people who use WIC are not in the military and they use it because they HAVE to, not by choice. And it takes pride not to be ashamed of services offered to you when you need something most. Obviously a trait you lack greatly. And AGAIN, how dare you assume that all we do is take and not earn, and FUCK YOU for saying "start making something of yourselves". :mad

OK.... now.... enough :deadhorse


Lets move on to something we can all benefit from. I feel dumber after reading through this thread :nutts

Ok, I just have to say this...

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IP BAN :D :yes

She did last longer then I orginially thought she would tho :hehe

boy I am gonna go curl up with my mink coat and sit in my mercedes and watch a DVD while buying stuff on my laptop, and eating bons bons with the money I saved from WIC :lmao

:lmao

I know that I am very late on this but after reading every page on here, I just felt the need to address Jennifer. I feel very sorry for you and your very harsh opinion of the WIC program. It is because of people like you standing behind us in the grocery store that my DH tore up our WIC tickets and rejoined the Navy Reserves in order to NOT feel like such a bad parent as he was called by someone just like you. Let me explain our situation to you, maybe you WILL change your mind and not look so harshly on people who have less then you or are in a different situation that they like you were, did not expect to find theirselves in.

Before we were married I worked at a resturaunt management job, plus a second job. My Dh had gotten out of the Navy after a 6 year tour. He began working at a great job that paid 20.00 an hour, plus benifits. We worked hard and when we had our children( 5 by the way, that we have always supported on our own)we never used the program. Then when we had our youngest child, who is 2, a new born at the time, the factory my Dh had busted his butt, 6 days a week for 11 years at, walked him and nearly 1300 other hard working employees out to the parking lot, like criminals and locked the doors. We lived responsibly on our savings and his 401k for a year (all the while supporting our own children) while my DH looked for a new job. When he couldn't find one he began attending college and maintained a 3.5 grade average, in business management. We tightened our financle belt so that I could continue to stay at home with our kids. My husband found work 6 months later and has worked there for 2.5 years now,sometimes 7 days a week, still attending school full time with the same grade average. We were told how WIC could help our family and since we both worked hard for the money that supports the program, we used it. Untill after a few months of listening to people like you, behind us in the grocery line, counting our kids and refering us to low class trash. The day my husband tore up the tickets and called the recruiter was the day that a cruel lady like you actually counted our children and told my DH what a pathetic loser he was for not supporting his family better. We have worked hard and never treated someone like that and understand sometimes people need a hand up not a hand out. The money we saved on those few gallons of milk , cheese, eggs, ect helped us to stay within our budget. It helped me to not feel ashamed to get a bit of help, though people like you worked hard at destroying our self confidence, every time you cut us down. Well now we sit here, my husband a full time father, employee, student with a grade point average I am damn proud of, and now a Naval Reservist, which I am Damn proud of. Now 2 weeks ago we found out that 2(yes 2) forms of birth control did NOT work and we are pregnant with our 6th child, whom we WILL support and love as much as our other children. So how DARE YOU say that people who use WIC abuse and use the sytem and who the hell are you to tell others when they can and can't have kids, are you God ? We have NEVER abused the system and it is people like YOU who make it feel wrong to have people who may need the help, turn away from it. My husband is an E4 and just took his advancement test at last months drill. Now as for your opinion, fine have it, but how dare you act so self rightouse and presume to know anyones walk in this life. We are called to be compassionate and kind to others. To be understanding and you are one of the harshest, most judgemental people I have seen in a very long time. I could have asked my dad, retired Army, for help, but WIC gave us the ability to help ourselves in our time of need. It educated me on things our peditrician NEVER explained to us. And as for me not being able to support my kids, you can just pucker up and kiss mine, I NEVER ASKED YOU or ANYONE ELSE TO SUPPORT MY KIDS. We do just fine on our own!!!! Take your judgemental garbage else where, by the looks of the other posts, it is not wanted or needed. JMO and how WIC helped us. Lisa

sorry, i posted so long but did not know she had been banned from here when i began writing this, guess i should write faster,lol sorry Brandi if I was out of line.

What a bunch of crap. This entire thread.


Maybe I'll piss people off w/ what I write, but why did everyone just get upset about all this? Who gives a shit what Jennifer thinks of you? Why would you even let it get to you?

What she wrote didn't insult me one bit. If she wants to say stupid things like that, than so be it. She is entitled to an opinion and if she wants to be an ass, than let her be one.

I guess I don't understand why you all just got so upset about this. Yeah, I read everything she wrote. You getting upset is just letting her get to you.

I guess I just dont give a shit enough to care. I know I"m not abusing the system but if some dumbass wants to think that about me, fuck 'em.

Who gives a shit what she said.

I just laugh & will keep on using it.

i don't think all of us got upset. i wasn't upset, i thought she was ridiculous and felt like saying so ;)

Lol, by their reactions, seemed like most got offended.

Can't let ignorance make ya mad...

:hehe well they also say you can't argue with an idiot. maybe this thread proves that? :D

:hehe well they also say you can't argue with an idiot. maybe this thread proves that? :D

:yes One of those things where you realize that and then ignore them while they continue yapping :P

That lady was just plain ignorant. I can't believe I'm just getting to this post. Nobody was boasting about being on WIC! BUt, hell I would!!! I got the bag the bib and all the other goodies they give you. :lmao

What a bunch of crap. This entire thread.


Maybe I'll piss people off w/ what I write, but why did everyone just get upset about all this? Who gives a shit what Jennifer thinks of you? Why would you even let it get to you?

What she wrote didn't insult me one bit. If she wants to say stupid things like that, than so be it. She is entitled to an opinion and if she wants to be an ass, than let her be one.

I guess I don't understand why you all just got so upset about this. Yeah, I read everything she wrote. You getting upset is just letting her get to you.

I guess I just dont give a shit enough to care. I know I"m not abusing the system but if some dumbass wants to think that about me, fuck 'em.

Who gives a shit what she said.

I just laugh & will keep on using it.


Okay I have to laugh at you Rach. Sorry. :lmao but you're funny sometimes

lol, Imagine Jaxon asking for a WIC sandwich.

BUt, hell I would!!! I got the bag the bib and all the other goodies they give you. :lmao


:lmao I didn't get that, what the hell?!

You all are right. I should have never come back here. Too many of you women are just pathetic. I like who I am and am pretty darn happy. Being on WIC to save money is just wrong wrong wrong. Being on WIC just because you can is wrong. WHen you all go out and buy your Coach purses and drive brand new vehicles while on a government program. I really don't want to know most of you. It is also pathetic that you all think you are owed free stuff because you are in the military. It is sad well I hope someday you learn to quit taking and start making something of yourselves.
I knew it was only a matter of time.
To those girls who have never "heard" Jennifer before, please do not let her bother you one bit. Really she has major issues. Mentally. LOL ;)
And to those of us that have known her bs.... It was a lot sooner than I thought it would be LMAO!

You bitch who the fuck hell are you to be passing judgement you nut!!! I was on WIC as a single mother and yep I did work 2 jobs plus go to school. You are a very small minded individual. Whos to say other childres did not have special needs. So get off of your high horse. My sister is on WIC and for that I am greatful. There could have been circumstances beyond your control to have to use a program such as that. Hey I had to use food stamps too. Does that make me a bad person? Grow the fuck up!!!!

yikes, yes, she does have maor isuues. I'm ashamed to have ever met her:neutral

I'm ashamed to have ever met her:neutral


Same here. She does have some mental issues, and I am totally serious!