what do you think about them? i dont agree with them. i think if you get pregnant then you need to have that baby. that baby didnt ask to be born. give him/her up for adoption at least give the baby a chance!

I would personally never have an abortion, however, I don't think I am any sort of authority to tell other women what to do. Including what they do with their bodies, or why they come to the decision of having an abortion. I fully support abortion in the cases of rape, and medical necessity (if the mother is at risk of death).
I do not however support nor agree with abortion as a means of birth control. Meaning women who go out, use no protection, get pregnant, and have abortion after abortion, yet don't change their ways.

I am prolife. I believe life starts at the time of conception.

um just so you know, they was already a really long debate about this. lol. just fyi...

I am prolife. I believe life starts at the time of conception.


ditto I would never choose to kill my child. I think everything happens for a reason and there is no good reason to have an abortion.


However, since we have the technology now and its such a common procedure it is hard to say it should be illegal. Women will have one anyway, pay an absolute fortune, risk thier life even more, there will be MANY more children being abused/neglected.....that I find it hard to say it should be illegal.

I think its a personal choice and it would break my heart if I knew one of my close friends had one. I dont think I wouldnt be friends with her anymore, but it would put that little something between us from then on.

I would personally never have an abortion, however, I don't think I am any sort of authority to tell other women what to do. Including what they do with their bodies, or why they come to the decision of having an abortion. I fully support abortion in the cases of rape, and medical necessity (if the mother is at risk of death).
I do not however support nor agree with abortion as a means of birth control. Meaning women who go out, use no protection, get pregnant, and have abortion after abortion, yet don't change their ways.

I totally agree. But i repsect the views of others too, and can understand the opposing views to mine.

I have several friends who are very much pro-life, and I have friends who have had abortions. We all get along rather well. It's just about mutual respect.
I know personally I could never justify having one myself, to me a child is precious no matter what. I don't think it should ever be illegal. In the end we would have more deaths, of both mothers and children. Back alley abortions are not the answer. There should definately be more education and more choices for people though.

I am pro-choice all the way, that's pretty much all I have to say about that

Generally, I don't agree with them. However, I think there are cases that an abortion is best. For instance if a girl is raped should she be forced to carry that child. I know that baby didn't do anything wrong but I know if that was me I'm not sure I could handle having the baby inside of me. Also, if being pregnant puts the mother's life at risk or the baby is going to die anyways. I had a friend whose mom got pg with triplets and at an ultrasound it was determined that none of them had brains. Carrying them put her life at risk and they were going to die anyways. She ended up having an abortion. However, if a girl is sexually active, is not protecting herself, and gets pg then I don't think she should get an abortion. If she doesn't want to keep the baby then she should give the baby up for adoption.

I am pro-choice all the way, that's pretty much all I have to say about that
same here

I would never do it personally BUT I do think under shitty circumstances a woman should have the right to choose. That being said examples would be Rape or if the pregnancy would more than likely cause death to the mother.
I don't think just cause the child has a deformity, Birth Control or just cause you were too lazy to prevent it should be an option!

Pro-life

I would never do it personally BUT I do think under shitty circumstances a woman should have the right to choose. That being said examples would be Rape or if the pregnancy would more than likely cause death to the mother.I don't think just cause the child has a deformity, Birth Control or just cause you were too lazy to prevent it should be an option!


I feel the exact same way. I am pro-life, BUT there are a couple reasons why I think you should choose and those are the two reasons I put in bold.

It is not my personal choice, but I would never try and take it away from someone else.

I am prolife. I believe life starts at the time of conception.

Same here

I would never do it personally BUT I do think under shitty circumstances a woman should have the right to choose. That being said examples would be Rape or if the pregnancy would more than likely cause death to the mother.
I don't think just cause the child has a deformity, Birth Control or just cause you were too lazy to prevent it should be an option!

I agree!

I wont even have any of the tests for Downs and such when I am pregnant, because it wont change anything anyway. I would never have an abortion if they were poative.

If I found out I was pregnant with a handicapped child, I would NEVER get an abortion. The only time I would consider it, is like I mentioned, if it was life threatening to me, or if I was raped.

Prochoice

I agree!

I wont even have any of the tests for Downs and such when I am pregnant, because it wont change anything anyway. I would never have an abortion if they were poative.
I refused with all 3 of mine also
They thought I was just a crazy 20 yr old. But at least if I didn't know I didn't have to worry for 9 months. JMO

Pro-Life....'nuff said! ;)

I refused with all 3 of mine also
They thought I was just a crazy 20 yr old. But at least if I didn't know I didn't have to worry for 9 months. JMO

EXACTLY

Dh was born in another country, and he still has family there. The place is very catholic and not only is abortion illegal, it's also a huge social taboo.

Sooo, his cousin told us the story of his wife's best friend.
The woman is married. The marriage was in decline mostly because her in-laws hate her and the husband never sticks up for her. She thinks he doesn't even love her.
Also, the husband had a store and it recently went out of business. They wound up with a lot of debt.
So, this girl had gotten kind of depressed.

Then, she found out she was pregnant. She fell into a really serious depression, so much so that she had to be hospitalized. She wasn't even walking or talking. The nurses had to push her around in a wheelchair. She wouldn't eat so they put her on an IV. She lost like half her hair.

Now, I think there is an exception in that country for when the woman's life is in danger, but there is none when her health is in jeopardy. So, this baby will be born, into a family where nobody loves anyone else, to a mother who would rather kill herself.

I realizes this is an extreme situation, but I think it illustrates why we shouldn't tell other people what is best for them when it comes to personal things like reproduction.

I am Pro choice but I do not agree with it being used as birth control.

I am Pro choice but I do not agree with it being used as birth control.

Agree & I think abortion after 8 or 9 weeks is not good.

I am Pro choice but I do not agree with it being used as birth control.

Ditto.

I am Pro choice but I do not agree with it being used as birth control.

Same here.

While I don't agree with them, I don't go crazy over the fact that someone has done it. I agree that the child needs a chance even if it means giving it up for adoption. A lot of women, especially pregnant teens that are in this situation, will usually feel that if they have the baby and give it up, it makes them a bad parent or a bad person....they just don't feel too good about it and feel abortion is really the only other option. I personally think they are misinformed....otherwise they'd know that no matter what, even through adoption, they are just doing whats best for the child, IMO....I have never been through that, but I do have a few friends that have had abortions...like i said, i dont agree, but i won't judge either..

Ok... a post on this from someone whos been there:confused .... please bear with me ladies and im going to ask that any comments you make are not negitive... i've been through a lot. ok so db and i made a mistake and i got preg... im still in high school and this was back in sept. ... so it was pretty recent... anyway.. db was due back to ohio so he could leave for bootcamp in like 3 weeks... well he had to leave early due to money issues... one night my parents sat me down b/c they knew something was up and i told them..well was forced to tell them...(looong story) i was scared that i might be prego. well that didn't go over well at all!!! they took me out of school the next day to be tested and it was negitive... we waited and went again...still negitive.. by this time we figured we had dodged the bullet...but we didn't... i found out 2 weeks later i was preg. my mom and i broke down.. i was told i had to have an abortion or i'd be kicked out... well i had nowhere to go no family is in GA and things were really hard. i talked to db about everything and we decided it was for the best.. he was going to be training and he wanted to be there when we had kids and he wanted things to be right... i also wanted to finish school. this was so hard for me because i love kids to death!!! my nephews are my life!!! anyway...i didn't want to go through with adopton... not like it was an option but my family has been torn apart by it... i have 2 sisters that have no idea they are aunts of twin boys and that they have a 23 yr. old brother... im fusterated that im not a big part in their lives like i should be.. their parents wont allow it... im not saying everyone or every case is like that but that has been my experience...anyway... my parents supported the abortion... obviously.. and i had it on oct. 1st. it was soooo hard.... i hated myself for soo long... i was soo depressed... i wouldn't go shopping, out with friends, and felt soo weird around my family... well i went to councling and have been going ever since... things are fine now... its something i will never forget but also wont regret.. i live my life with no regrets ... i would have gone back if i could and made better decisions but thats my story... i cant tell you how hard it is to hear about people and how one sided they are on this issue... some people are forced into it or it is the best thing for them but everyone is entitled to their own opinions. ... thats my story... somthing i will never forget! people who have to or chose to go through this need your support.. you may be the only person they have...:tears

Ok... a post on this from someone whos been there:confused .... please bear with me ladies and im going to ask that any comments you make are not negitive... i've been through a lot. ok so db and i made a mistake and i got preg... im still in high school and this was back in sept. ... so it was pretty recent... anyway.. db was due back to ohio so he could leave for bootcamp in like 3 weeks... well he had to leave early due to money issues... one night my parents sat me down b/c they knew something was up and i told them..well was forced to tell them...(looong story) i was scared that i might be prego. well that didn't go over well at all!!! they took me out of school the next day to be tested and it was negitive... we waited and went again...still negitive.. by this time we figured we had dodged the bullet...but we didn't... i found out 2 weeks later i was preg. my mom and i broke down.. i was told i had to have an abortion or i'd be kicked out... well i had nowhere to go no family is in GA and things were really hard. i talked to db about everything and we decided it was for the best.. he was going to be training and he wanted to be there when we had kids and he wanted things to be right... i also wanted to finish school. this was so hard for me because i love kids to death!!! my nephews are my life!!! anyway...i didn't want to go through with adopton... not like it was an option but my family has been torn apart by it... i have 2 sisters that have no idea they are aunts of twin boys and that they have a 23 yr. old brother... im fusterated that im not a big part in their lives like i should be.. their parents wont allow it... im not saying everyone or every case is like that but that has been my experience...anyway... my parents supported the abortion... obviously.. and i had it on oct. 1st. it was soooo hard.... i hated myself for soo long... i was soo depressed... i wouldn't go shopping, out with friends, and felt soo weird around my family... well i went to councling and have been going ever since... things are fine now... its something i will never forget but also wont regret.. i live my life with no regrets ... i would have gone back if i could and made better decisions but thats my story... i cant tell you how hard it is to hear about people and how one sided they are on this issue... some people are forced into it or it is the best thing for them but everyone is entitled to their own opinions. ... thats my story... somthing i will never forget! people who have to or chose to go through this need your support.. you may be the only person they have...:tears


I am so sorry you went through that, and had no support from your family :(. That was flat out wrong for making you do that :(

Thank you for sharing (Summerlove). I'm sorry you went thru what you did. I don't believe in abortion, but would never hold it against someone that had one. My comments are NOT directed at you Summerlove - they are just my opinion.
I think that too many women use it as birth control. I do think that is wrong. I think that if you've had multiple abortions, you should get your tubes tied. There are too many women that WANT to have children that can not, or have problems having children. Adoption is ALWAYS an option. There are plenty of couples that want children that can't, and would cherish adopting a baby.

thanks for your support ladies!!!

abortiontv.com is the only thing i can say here. Because i don't think there is any good excuse endless it's either the baby or your life "seriously" is on the line. Like death people, not reputation.

I am probably in the minority here (and thats okay with me) but I do not believe abortion is an option, even in cases of rape. I was raped when I was 15 and I was briefly faced with the decision of what I would do had I been pregnant. Even at 15, I knew abortion was not an option for me. When the baby was born, if I felt it was not in the best interest of anyone for me to raise the child, I would have put the baby up for adoption. I don't have any statistical information right now (I'll try to dig some up later if I have some extra time) but I do know the amount of people who want to adopt newborns is probably several times over the amount of newborns that are available for adoption. I do not think newborns would ever have a problem being adopted out. Now, I do realize this may take away from some of the older children being adopted out. But do I think that's enough to justify aborting a child? No.

Now, in the case of "when mom's life is in danger"... I'd like to see some examples of this. I can not think of any reason why any pregnant woman would need to have an abortion of a wanted child. If a medical complication comes up that put's mom's life in danger, I think there are two options 1) induction or 2) c section. If, for example, the mom is 20 weeks pregnant and devlops such severe pregnancy induced high blood pressue that she and the baby's lives are in jeopardy, I don't see where there would ever be a need for abortion over a c section (in worst case). They can pop an IV in your wrist and knock you out cold and get the baby out in less than a half hour. With both of my c-sections, I was given a spinal the baby was born in less than 30minutes. Shelby was born about 20 minutes after I was medicated and the doctor was listening to music, talking to me and taking his time. Abortions are going to take the same amount of time or longer than a c-section would. At least with a C Section you are giving nature the chance to decide.

I guess you could say Jason and I were in a situation where some people may have considered an abortion. He was at the Naval Academy, his lifelong dream. I was 18 when he left, I believe... still at home, living with my grandparents. No job, no school. I went to see Jason on parents weekend and we wound up getting pregnant. You can not have any kind of dependents at the Academy- no wife, no children. Because there was no "choice" in the matter (since neither of us saw abortion as a choice), he withdrew and came home to fill moral obligations. Unfortunately, I miscarried when I was about 9 or 10 weeks, but we still have no regrets. I do realize this isn't as extreme as some circumstances but personally there would be no circumstances where I personally could justify it- even in rape, even if mom's life is in "Danger".

It boils down to me believing that it is not our place to judge whether the child should have a chance at life or not. I understand how women feel it is their body so they should be able to do what they want with it, BUT the baby's life is not theirs and I do not believe they should have the right to decide whether that life should be terminated. I believe the baby's right to live trump's mom's right to "do what I want to with my body". It is 9 months and if you think that mom's right to do what she wants to with her body over rides the chance for baby to live, then we will have to agree to disgree.

I am not here to change anyone's mind on this and I know that some of our members have been through hard times where this debate hits close to home. I'm sure each person who has had an abortion truly feels deep down that it was the right choice for them given the circumstances. I am simply trying to show my perspective from the other side since I do not believe in it under any circumstances.

I don't believe I am close-minded and this isn't a "Religious" debate for me. It's more about rights and speaking up for the little ones who can not do it for themselves yet.

Edited for spelling.

thanks for your support ladies!!!


Summerlove, I am truly sorry for what you have been through. (L) My opinion and words on this matter are NOT in any way aimed at you. I tried to express my opinion in a way where I could say my feelings and beliefs without hurting anyone else. My intention is not to hurt you or make you feel bad. I just feel very strongly about my personal beliefs on this and I hope you realize it is absolutely not directed towards you at all.

brandi i just want to say that you have given some very very good information here. you have cleared up some issues on this subject that have been bothering me if ever that had happened to me. but fortunately well i dont know if you can really call it that but i cant have any more kids anyway since i had my tubes tied, but if i didnt you have given me some good reasons now not to ever have one. like i said i dont really believe in abortions because of what it really stands for. so like you said if the moms life was in danger or both mom and baby then yes if it can be resolved by having an induction or a c section , then thats much much better than having an abortion. and for some reason if the child was handicapped to the point of the mother not being able to cope with it, they can either hire someone to help them or if they had to put them up for adoption. if that had happened to me i would have had to hire someone to help because im not strong enough of a woman to deal with a handicapped child but i wouldnt want to give my child up either. so thanks for sharing this with us. i like your views.

Brandi....

You are not alone. I also do not believe in abortion. Even in cases of rape...

Lemme tell you why....

My sister-in-law (brothers wife) was raped at 14 by her brothers best friend...This resulted in a pregnancy. She couldn't terminate since she so strongly disagrees with abortion. So she had the baby. My neice. Who is the most amazing, smart, beaustiful woman I have ever seen. When I think of abortion due to rape..All I see is my niece. And how she may not be here :tears

Now..that being said...I am NOT the type of person to try to change ones mind on it. My beliefs are mine. I would never have an abortion. No matter what. My sister has had 4...Yes..she has used it as a form of birth control. SHe is very fertile...And here I am lil ms infertility... :no

When I think of abortion...Even early abortion...All Ic an think of is my 7 week u/s...And watching that little heart beating away. The heart starts beating so early. No way could I ever do something like that. I would NEVER protest, tell someone they were disgusting etc. I am not prochoice..But I am not so prolife that I would tell someone else "you are flithy and wrong for doing this"

I can't even really debate this because I my feelings are just weird. I wont debate whether or not its right or wrong. While I feel life is the only choice..I wont knock you for what you believe I guess..SO me debating is almost a mute point....I just think that there are so many other options and abortion should be weighed heavily and a very very last ditch option if any. I wish there were more regulations on it but at the same time I dont. Because I do see and understand that if it were illegal that we'd have much more infant deaths, infants dumped, hidden pregnancies etc. Its sad to me.

See what I mean about my feelings being weird. :hehe I just cant say I am prochoice..Because I do feel it is wrong to me. But just because I feel it is wrong doesnt mean I feel those who have done it are trash. Those people were faced with a hard decision. Plain and simple./ ANd I wont deny that. No one will ever agree 100%..Ever. Which means that if it were illegal others wouldnt be happy. Just as wiuth it legal people arent happy.

Anyhow thats how I see it.

well i feel that if someone got pregnant no matter how it happened that adoption is always a good thing if you couldnt keep the baby or didnt want the baby. heck i could have been a product of rape for all i know. im adopted and im very much for adoption. i think of my life the way it could have been and it could have been a whole lot worse than what it is now. so maybe my views on abortion have changed slightly even in the case of rape. thanks brandi and kristi for making me see that part of it in a different light. I dont judge other people either for doing it if they feel its the right thing to do. i just love my kids. and i agree life begins at conception.

I wanted to add that I realize there are thousands of children needing to be adopted...But...There are many many people out there that would make wonderful parents but can't afford how much it does cost to adopt. I looked into it before Ethan since we thought I couldnt get pregnant...The price is so darn high. Thats a whole nother debate in itself tho...

yes that is true it does cost to adopt as well.

My problem with it being used as birth control goes back to a friend that chose which baby she would have. She got pregnant at 16- abortion. She got pregnant at 20 something- had the baby. Got pregnant soon after- abortion. Got married and had 2 babies. I think that is wrong.

Pro-Choice with increased education and prevention (i.e. healthy and responsible lifestyles). Upholding the right to choose will allow you to keep you personal beliefs in tact (whether personally for or against). I am for limiting the number of weeks at which you can have the procedure.

My problem with it being used as birth control goes back to a friend that chose which baby she would have. She got pregnant at 16- abortion. She got pregnant at 20 something- had the baby. Got pregnant soon after- abortion. Got married and had 2 babies. I think that is wrong.

thats what my sister did...
Pregnant at 18-abortion
pregnant later-had my nice
got married
pregnant-abortion
pregnant again-had my other niece
pregnant again-abortion
pregnant again-had my nephew
divorced/seprated
pregnant again-abortion

Now, in the case of "when mom's life is in danger"... I'd like to see some examples of this. I can not think of any reason why any pregnant woman would need to have an abortion of a wanted child. If a medical complication comes up that put's mom's life in danger, I think there are two options 1) induction or 2) c section. If, for example, the mom is 20 weeks pregnant and devlops such severe pregnancy induced high blood pressue that she and the baby's lives are in jeopardy, I don't see where there would ever be a need for abortion over a c section (in worst case). They can pop an IV in your wrist and knock you out cold and get the baby out in less than a half hour. With both of my c-sections, I was given a spinal the baby was born in less than 30minutes. Shelby was born about 20 minutes after I was medicated and the doctor was listening to music, talking to me and taking his time. Abortions are going to take the same amount of time or longer than a c-section would. At least with a C Section you are giving nature the chance to decide.



Brandi, first of all let me say I agree with you. I'm just going to give you an example, even though I still dont believe this would be a good reason.

My uncle is a preacher and didnt get married until he found the "right" woman and both were almost 40 and virgins. She got pregnant several times and kept having miscarriages. One day we got a call that she was in the hospital and had had a stroke. We drive the 5 hours to be with them and find out that she is pregnant again and the reason for her stroke is because as you get older your blood thickens, when you get pregnant your blood thinkens, so the combo of this caused the stroke. She couldnt talk, use of of her arms, her face was droopy and all that goes with a stroke. The dr said if she had had an abortion all the symptoms would be gone. Being the religious people they were they refused of course. So for the next 8 months she had to have 2 shots a day of blood thinners. She couldnt do the pills because they crossed the placenta. This whole time she could not talk or really function, she even had trouble walking. She went into labor Dec. 28 2000, had the baby, and then died.

So this is one example where the mothers life was in danger. My cousin just turned 5 and is having a very difficult time with not having a mother. He also just started having trouble with dad going places because hes afraid he wont come back. It's been a hard 6 years. Do I think she should have had an abortion, no! Do I think it was stupid to keep getting pregnant after being told it wasnt a good idea, yes! Do I wish she was here instead of my cousin, no! They were all very hard choices and none of them had a good outcome. So, I dont think even if the mothers life was in danger is a good reason.

OH and on Gray's Anatomy that I watched yesterday, the mother had cancer and needed chemo but couldnt have it because it would hurt the baby. She decided to die sooner instead of having a few more years herself if she had had an abortion. Just another example how the mothers life is in danger....

Example in a life or death situation: my sister was pregnant with a child, the first boy in 30 years in my family. My sister is a heavy woman. Around 5 months we found out the baby was deformed in MANY WAYS!! And started eating my sister inside out like a massive tumor. My Sister dropped weight within one MONTH!! She went from almost 250 to 98 pounds. She couldn't stop bleeding and she could no longer move around without someone helping her. All of this happened because the doctor gave her a pill to help her with something at 4 months. The doc addmitted her into the hospital and we found out it was either her or the baby. Her husband and all of us were with her every second. She believes as well that abortion is no option. She has two other children who are saying their goodbyes to there mother and that is when she realized the baby had to go. NOW, in the state of Oregon you can get a c-section or induce labor. It's still considered abortion and was so inhumane... My sister had to travel to Washington where only two offices did abortions. There are different kinds of abortion and my sister took the less of the two. She got on injection to have the baby's heart stopped because even in Washington it was illegal to do a c-section with a live baby before 30 weeks... My sister ended up going into labor because the baby was dead and her body was getting rid of it. THAT is the kind of abortion my sis got.. And i truely believe that if your life is in total danger like that then abortion SHOULD be an option.

April and Kindra, thank you for sharing your experiences.

April, in that case, honestly, it's 50/50. No doctor can say for sure whether mom or baby will definitely be better. He said she would instantly get better if she aborted the baby but no doctor has the absility to say whether that is definitely doing to happen. What happens if the baby was aborted and mom still died anyways? Then if the doctor says the baby will be fine if she carries it but mom might die, that's also not definite. What if the moms carries and the baby dies anyways? It's such a very difficult and complicated situation. There are just so many unpredictable variables in a situation like that. It's painful for me to even think about.

Kindra, so your sister was how far along? And despite the fact that the baby was basically mutilated and doomed to begin with, and your sister was dying, they would not give her a c section or induce? That sounds like medical malpractice for me.

well i have heard about still borns and then the mother actually going into labor to get it out . was that what happen to your sister kindra? im so sorry to hear that.

my sister was 5 months along when finding out about the baby and finding out why she was dropping the weight and getting super sick. By the time the "abortion" was to happen my sister was 6 months plus along. At that time a c-section or DnC or induction was just as illegal because it is still or was still considered an abortion. Just called something different. In Washington my sister said it was like really going into an ally way to do the coat hanger way. She got a shot to stop the babys heart beat and the abortion was to be done the next morning. BUT that night around 2am she went into labor and gave birth to a very deformed child and she almost died giving birth.
When Faith happened with me i was given a few options, iduction, DnC, bed rest, or abortion. BUTTTTT if i was to get an iduction, DnC, or Abortion i had to go somewhere else. Because the baby still had a heart beat. WHICH is why i went for a second opinion because i wanted to do bed rest but i wanted to make sure i was doing the right thing. Once there at OSUmedical i was also given the same choices but said it was all considered a type of abortion and no i wouldn't get to see the baby because it would be in pieces. They could induce me and i could see the baby and that wouldn't be considered abortion but they called it self induced misscarrage. To me, WHAT THE HELL IS THE DIFFERENCE? So i chose to not go that rout and to let nature do what it will, a few hours later i was in labor and gave birth.
Now back to my sis... My sister got pregnant 6 months later... trust me the whole family was scared to death and pissed off too because she wasn't fully healed. The doctor said because of everything she just went through was such a short time ago, this baby would too turn out the same and asked my sister to do an abortion asap.. She once again refused and today we have my nephew Garrett who is a mirical to all of us..
I do not agree with abortion, in fact once faith happened my sister called and yelled at me "DON'T DO AN ABORTION" I wasn't going to. But i believe that if the injection to have the baby's heart beat stop in my sister, she would have died along with the baby and ONLY in a case like that do i believe it is something to do.

Sorry so long

i am pro choice.

that is not to say, in anyway i am pro-abortion. I dont think I would have one. I mean, i might, i seriously had to consider it recenrtly when I thought I was pregnant and John basically said my options were marry him or abort and I couldnt be homeless with a child, or in a loveless marriage with a child, just neither sounded desirable. Anyway, I didnt have to think too too much becuase i found out i was not pregant and the issue went away. I think if you are old enough to have sex you need to think of these things ahead of time. when i was in a loving relationship with John I was willing to have sex with him because should something have happened abortion would not have been what I did, I would have been with him. It was only when he and I broke up that the real issue came into my mind.

HOWEVER, I do not see how it is my business if anyone else wants to get an abortion. I do not care. It is their body and they have to deal with the psychological consequences either way, if they give birth or if they do not. Whatever they choose is up to them. I am a firm believer in the principal of "live and let live" I dont care what anyone else chooses to do with their body. It is their issue, not mine.

HOWEVER, I do not see how it is my business if anyone else wants to get an abortion. I do not care. It is their body and they have to deal with the psychological consequences either way, if they give birth or if they do not. Whatever they choose is up to them. I am a firm believer in the principal of "live and let live" I dont care what anyone else chooses to do with their body. It is their issue, not mine.

I completely agree.....while I could never see myself doing it, who am I to pass judgement on others for having different views.

I'm pro-choice.

One thing I find really funny is that people that are usually against abortion are (in a lot of cases) the same people that feel welfare and public assistance are wrong. They want that life to have a chance no matter what but don't want their tax dollars going to help the mother who can't afford to even feed herself in some cases:no Life only starts in the womb, past that I think a lot of pro-lifers have a fend for yourself type of mentality:mad

I'm not directing this to anyone here so please don't think that.

HOWEVER, I do not see how it is my business if anyone else wants to get an abortion. I do not care. It is their body and they have to deal with the psychological consequences either way, if they give birth or if they do not. Whatever they choose is up to them. I am a firm believer in the principal of "live and let live" I dont care what anyone else chooses to do with their body. It is their issue, not mine.


It is her body but the unborn child's life is not hers. That is my whole point here. I think the child's right to live far outweighs the woman's right to do whatever she wants to do with her body. We are talking 9 months. NINE MONTHS. If you decide you can not fathom being a mom for whatever reason, whether it be circumstances or you just don't have the desire, then give the child up for adoption after you give birth. Most adoption agencies will go out of their way in many ways to help the pregnant woman in whatever way possible. There are so many resources out there for moms who don't even have insurance that will help with prenatal care through the whole pregnancy. I normally do "live and let live" with most things in this world. I do not care what most people do with their lives if it doesn't effect me. HOWEVER, an abortion effects more than just ONE life. It ENDS the life of a child.

I am not passing judgement on anyone at all. Like I said before, I'm sure the majority of people who have had abortions thought it was the best thing to do in their situation or the circumstances they were in. I still disagree with it even being a choice though. If I kill my child 2 minutes after he or she is born, I go to jail for murder. So, what is the difference, really? So, the younger/smaller/less developed, the more it is acceptable? It is the same thing to me. When I had my ultrasound at SIX WEEKS with Shelby, I saw her moving and her little bitty heart thumping away. 9 months later, same baby, same life, same soul- just bigger and more physically developed. I still feel this incredible bond and intense desire to do anything within my power to protect and save and nurture my child- whether she is 6 weeks gestation or in 1st grade. That's why, even if I were raped, abortion still would not be an option for me. The child may not have been created under the best circumstances and the father may be a complete piece of scum, but the baby is still so much of a part of me, I could not bring myself to do it. I get that some people believe it's not really a baby if it can't survive without it's mom (the whole "its not a baby until it's old enough to survive on it's own outside of the womb" debate). Well, guess what. If you leave a 12 month old infant alone with no mom and no one to care for it, that baby could not survive either.

The bottom line is I feel like a baby is a baby is a baby, no matter what age, no matter what size, no matter how it was created, no matter how badly it is deformed. I am not a religious person and I have not really sorted through all of my feelings about "God" and what will happen when we die. But, I do know of one thing I very strongly believe in. I believe, at conception, every child has a soul and a purpose in life. If the powers that be or mother nature decide that the child's purpose has been served, then I believe they will go on their own. Its just not my place to decide, is all I'm saying. I guess the "live and let live" COULD be applied here. The baby's life isn't my life so it's not my place to decide when their time is up.

I'm pro-choice.

One thing I find really funny is that people that are usually against abortion are (in a lot of cases) the same people that feel welfare and public assistance are wrong. They want that life to have a chance no matter what but don't want their tax dollars going to help the mother who can't afford to even feed herself in some cases:no Life only starts in the womb, past that I think a lot of pro-lifers have a fend for yourself type of mentality:mad

I'm not directing this to anyone here so please don't think that.


You can count me as one who strongly believe in helping a mother in WHATEVER way possible to ensure that she receives prenatal care and can deliver a healthy baby. I believe helping moms to an extent (and past childbirth) but if the mom has absolutely no desire to better herself for her child and shows no capability of ever taking care of the child on her own (such as holding down a job, going to school, keeps getting pregnant and having more children while "on the system") , I do believe adoption would be the best route.

Ok... a post on this from someone whos been there:confused .... please bear with me ladies and im going to ask that any comments you make are not negitive... i've been through a lot. ok so db and i made a mistake and i got preg... im still in high school and this was back in sept. ... so it was pretty recent... anyway.. db was due back to ohio so he could leave for bootcamp in like 3 weeks... well he had to leave early due to money issues... one night my parents sat me down b/c they knew something was up and i told them..well was forced to tell them...(looong story) i was scared that i might be prego. well that didn't go over well at all!!! they took me out of school the next day to be tested and it was negitive... we waited and went again...still negitive.. by this time we figured we had dodged the bullet...but we didn't... i found out 2 weeks later i was preg. my mom and i broke down.. i was told i had to have an abortion or i'd be kicked out... well i had nowhere to go no family is in GA and things were really hard. i talked to db about everything and we decided it was for the best.. he was going to be training and he wanted to be there when we had kids and he wanted things to be right... i also wanted to finish school. this was so hard for me because i love kids to death!!! my nephews are my life!!! anyway...i didn't want to go through with adopton... not like it was an option but my family has been torn apart by it... i have 2 sisters that have no idea they are aunts of twin boys and that they have a 23 yr. old brother... im fusterated that im not a big part in their lives like i should be.. their parents wont allow it... im not saying everyone or every case is like that but that has been my experience...anyway... my parents supported the abortion... obviously.. and i had it on oct. 1st. it was soooo hard.... i hated myself for soo long... i was soo depressed... i wouldn't go shopping, out with friends, and felt soo weird around my family... well i went to councling and have been going ever since... things are fine now... its something i will never forget but also wont regret.. i live my life with no regrets ... i would have gone back if i could and made better decisions but thats my story... i cant tell you how hard it is to hear about people and how one sided they are on this issue... some people are forced into it or it is the best thing for them but everyone is entitled to their own opinions. ... thats my story... somthing i will never forget! people who have to or chose to go through this need your support.. you may be the only person they have...:tears

I really feel for your situtation. I was put in the same position when I was 15.....I was Begged to have an abortion by my mother and grandmother. I chose to have my son but I/we spent years crawling out of a gigantic hole, with hardly any help! We had to get jobs and buy all our baby stuff.

Call me crazy but adoption was OUT of the question for me........I am not trusting and would have though FOREVER about what might be happening to that life. Sometimes I think women choose abortion because they don't always know for a fact that their baby will be loved and never beaten etc. Just my honest opinion, from someone that has been faced with the adoption choice:neutral

I really feel for your situtation. I was put in the same position when I was 15.....I was Begged to have an abortion by my mother and grandmother. I chose to have my son but I/we spent years crawling out of a gigantic hole, with hardly any help! We had to get jobs and buy all our baby stuff.

Call me crazy but adoption was OUT of the question for me........I am not trusting and would have though FOREVER about what might be happening to that life. Sometimes I think women choose abortion because they don't always know for a fact that their baby will be loved and never beaten etc. Just my honest opinion, from someone that has been faced with the adoption choice:neutral

thanks!! that really means a lot!! nobody in my family knows...just mom, dad, db, me and a few great friends! its nice to know im not the only one.... but i think about what would have happend if i would have had it... i go back and forth and it scares db sometimes and hes always saying "we made the right decision...i promise" so i beieve we did sometimes but not at others.. it just hard but i know it will always be in the back of my head!

Well, I'm Neutral - I lack the necessary parts to have a "biased" debate. I'm pure neutral here. But, here's both sides of the coin:

Pro-Life: Life starts in the womb.
Pro-Choice: Life starts when the census bureau adds a pre-borns name to the registry (which it doesn't).

Pro-Life: Life is precious - we don't have the right to take it away.
Pro-choice: And the death penalty means...

Pro-Life: The baby didn't choose to be concieved, your decisions MADE it.
Pro-Choice: The mommy is choosing not to raise an unwanted and unloved child that WILL become a statistic.

Pro-Life: Every child should be given a chance.
Pro-choice: Every child has the Possibility of being president. They have a higher chance of being smothered and stuffed into a backpack or dumpster.


I despise that someone will allow the child to be born, knowing it's unwanted, then justify killing the baby (by murder or allowing the child to live in an environment that ensures it's death early in life) by claiming PPD. So, here's a proposal. We give something similar to criminals:

One Strike and You're Out: Any woman can have a SINGLE abortion in her lifetime, paid for by the state/fed government with no questions asked, no one informed. Any future abortions will require the consent of her parents (if she is a minor,) and the consent of a state appointed psychiatrist/psychologist if she is above the age of 18. In either instance, the father's permission will be required, as well. Both mother AND father will be required to visit the psychiatrist/psychologist.

That's a rough draft, and an arbitrary thought I'd had YEARS ago.. and it still seems to me to be the only middleground in that debate. <shrug>

I'm pro-choice.

One thing I find really funny is that people that are usually against abortion are (in a lot of cases) the same people that feel welfare and public assistance are wrong. They want that life to have a chance no matter what but don't want their tax dollars going to help the mother who can't afford to even feed herself in some cases:no Life only starts in the womb, past that I think a lot of pro-lifers have a fend for yourself type of mentality:mad

I'm not directing this to anyone here so please don't think that.

I wrote this on the end of page 5.......this is your average pro-lifer....oh, only in my humble opinion of course:rolleyes

I wrote this on the end of page 5.......this is your average pro-choicer....oh, only in my humble opinion of course:rolleyes


Is this directed towards me? I was just speaking up and clarifying that I wasn't one of those people since you brought it up. :) I'm a little confused by your last post though.

I said pro-choicer, I meant pro-lifer;)

I'm sorry Brandi, I somehow skipped right over your post...sorry

It's nice to see that you feel that way. I have just always really questioned people who do have the negativity towards public assistance, while being against abortion. The two go hand in hand in so many ways. I wish more people felt the way you do:)

It's nice to see that you feel that way. I have just always really questioned people who do have the negativity towards public assistance, while being against abortion. The two go hand in hand in so many ways. I wish more people felt the way you do:)

I also have nothing against public assistance at all. ;)

It's nice to see that you feel that way. I have just always really questioned people who do have the negativity towards public assistance, while being against abortion. The two go hand in hand in so many ways. I wish more people felt the way you do:)


I absolutely agree with you! I do know a lot of people milk the system and I believe there should be more stringent guidelines and requirements to be on public assistance, but I absolutely agree with helping families and women who WANT to better themselves and eventually get off the assistance when they are in a better situation. I do know a lot of women have abortions because they are in terrible situations financially. I would have absolutely no problem with that mother being on public assistance for long enough to ensure that she and her child were on a better road. Like I said, I do know people abuse it and I am not claiming for this to be a perfect solution. In all honesty, I am not an expert in the area of public assistance and I know it's easier said than done for a lot of this stuff. But I do truly believe that if we ever do ban abortion and/or if a woman's reason for wanting to abort is soley because of financial issues, we should offer some assistance to help these families stay together. I think if america would work more on keeping families together, we could be come a better society as a whole. Like I said, I'm not an expert,but this is what I would like to see happen.

One Strike and You're Out: Any woman can have a SINGLE abortion in her lifetime, paid for by the state/fed government with no questions asked, no one informed. Any future abortions will require the consent of her parents (if she is a minor,) and the consent of a state appointed psychiatrist/psychologist if she is above the age of 18. In either instance, the father's permission will be required, as well. Both mother AND father will be required to visit the psychiatrist/psychologist.

I could support something like that. It gives people who legitimaly had a "mistake", rape, or problem during pregnancy a chance; and it would stop or at least slightly discourage some women who use abortion as a birth control method.
I would not support late term abortion under any circumstances however. If anyone needs to have one, it would need to be within the first 8 weeks.

I am prolife. They are wrong in every way IMO.

Prolife... Enough said...

And I would be PISSED off to know my tax dollars are going towards helping women have an abortion!