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harrisonsdream
05-10-2007, 11:23 AM
Pope causes a stir with abortion remark
Benedict starts Latin American tour on a note of controversy


By ALAN CLENDENNING
Associated Press
SAO PAULO, Brazil — Pope Benedict XVI reaffirmed the Roman Catholic Church's opposition to abortion in his first speech in Brazil but avoided further suggestion that politicians who support abortion rights should be considered excommunicated.

Benedict is on his first papal trip to Latin America, where women's rights groups have been pushing to expand access to abortion. With few exceptions, the procedure is illegal in Brazil and most other countries in the region, home to more than half the world's 1.1 billion Catholics.

The pope, who will inaugurate an important regional bishops' conference during his trip, was met at Sao Paulo airport Wednesday by Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva. Speaking in Portuguese, Benedict said he's certain that the bishops will reinforce "the promotion of respect for life from the moment of conception until natural death as an integral requirement of human nature."

Benedict's comments came just hours after one of the president's Cabinet members said a "macho" culture in Brazil has prevented a legitimate debate about legalizing abortion in Latin America's largest nation.

"If men got pregnant, I'm sure this question would have been resolved a long time ago," said Health Minister Jose Gomes Temporao, who is pushing for a referendum on the issue.

Like most Brazilians, Silva says he's opposed to abortion. But in an interview aired on Catholic radio stations earlier in the week, he said abortion was an issue for his government because of the many illegal — and often fatal — abortions performed in clandestine clinics in Brazil.

Silva has an audience with the pope today, but his spokesman said the president did not intend to bring up abortion.

Even before Benedict got off his plane in Brazil, he stoked a debate among Catholics who have been arguing whether politicians who approve abortion legislation as well as doctors and nurses who take part in the procedure subject themselves to automatic excommunication under church doctrine.

During the flight from Rome, Benedict gave his first full-fledged news conference since becoming pontiff in 2005. When a reporter pressed Benedict on whether he agreed that Catholic politicians who recently legalized abortion in Mexico City should rightfully be considered excommunicated, the response was "Yes."

Church law says anyone who procures a completed abortion is automatically excommunicated. But considering political support for abortion as equivalent to procurement would set new Vatican policy.

Benedict's spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, later said the pope was not setting a new policy and did not intend to formally excommunicate anyone — a rare process under church law separate from the doctrine of self-excommunication.

But Lombardi added that politicians who vote in favor of abortion should not receive the sacrament of Holy Communion. "Legislative action in favor of abortion is incompatible with participation in the Eucharist. ... Politicians exclude themselves from Communion," he said.

As many as 20,000 faithful waited in cold rain for a glimpse of Benedict in South America's largest city, then chanted "Bento, Bento" and waved flags of different South American nations as he greeted them in Portuguese and Spanish blessed them in Latin.

As well as abortion, Benedict is expected to address other challenges to Roman Catholicism during his trip, including the church's declining influence in Brazil, the rise of evangelism and a deep divide between rich and poor.

The Vatican also has promised that Benedict will deliver a tough message on poverty and crime during his five-day visit to the world's most populous Roman Catholic country.

Benedict's predecessor, John Paul II, visited Mexico and addressed Latin American bishops just three months after assuming the papacy. Benedict has waited two years for his first trip to the region, but he denied being "Eurocentric" or less concerned about poverty in the developing world than his predecessors.

"I love Latin America. I have traveled there a lot," he told reporters, adding that he is happy the time had come for the trip after focusing on more urgent problems in the Middle East and Africa.

Benedict, who visited Brazil as then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in 1990, will celebrate several open-air Masses, including a canonization ceremony for Brazil's first native-born saint, and visit a church-run drug and alcohol rehabilitation center.

The tour ends on Sunday, when he will open the conference of Latin American and Caribbean bishops in the shrine city of Aparecida.

Green~Mammy
05-10-2007, 11:44 AM
The Roman Catholic Church has made their feelings on abortion very clear many times in the past. I do not expect them to ever change the laws/rules regarding abortion.

harrisonsdream
05-10-2007, 11:45 AM
the Catholic Church shouldn't have to change their views.

Green~Mammy
05-10-2007, 11:48 AM
the Catholic Church shouldn't have to change their views.

Very good point. You are right they should not have to change their views. I think that every time I see one of these articles about the RCC and abortion.

I was trying to be more PC in my response then I have been in the past. :D

harrisonsdream
05-10-2007, 11:49 AM
Very good point. You are right they should not have to change their views. I think that every time I see one of these articles about the RCC and abortion.

I was trying to be more PC in my response then I have been in the past. :D

i appreciate that :) i'm roman catholic and i dunno this pope hasn't really got me to say wow like John Paul II

Green~Mammy
05-10-2007, 11:52 AM
John Paul II did a lot of really good things he was a great man. My Mom is RC and she loved the man but she wishes the church would at least change the stance on birth control. Any way that is a whole other debate hahahaha.

harrisonsdream
05-10-2007, 11:58 AM
very true. but there are alot of negative physical side affects from using hormonal bc. the RC church encourages NFP which done right is just as effective as hormonal bc

Ashnbri
05-10-2007, 01:09 PM
I say left everyone have there beliefs but LET THEM make there own decision on it..just because they don't agree with abortions doesn't mean everyone else should/does believe that as well. it will cause more problems banning abortions in my opinion.

mikeswife
05-10-2007, 01:54 PM
she wishes the church would at least change the stance on birth control.
I am not RC but I think that this would be a good thing as well. My mother's family is RC and she grew up in the church. She also grew up without her mother because of the RC stand against bc. After my mom was born the drs told them not to have any more children. But my grandfather would not allow her to use any type of bc and she had another baby and died.
I do not think that there is any problem with using bc except IUDs. But like you said that is another debate.

MissAmyB
05-10-2007, 02:28 PM
I'm a Roman Catholic, and sometimes I feel like the new Pope is undoing some of the good that Pope John Paul II did, it seems like he keeps putting his foot in his mouth, and to say that any politician who supports an abortion bill should consider themselves excommunicated, well ouch! I think that's taking us a step back towards the judgemental, intolerrant Church that everyone loves to hate. I don't think the Church should change it's stance on abortion, but you can't regulate how a person thinks, just how they act. I mean, tell me that if I want to be a good Catholic I can't have an abortion, that's fine, I'm onboard 100%. But leave it at that, do you know how many women die from backalley abortions in these countries?

harrisonsdream
05-10-2007, 02:57 PM
well said yankeelady

MissAmyB
05-10-2007, 04:19 PM
Thankyou!