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THURSDAY: Making sense of a shocking attack (5:38 p.m.)
By April Amadon/amadona@gnnewspaper.com
Greater Niagara Newspapers
Many unanswered questions remain in the wake of Sunday’s bizarre pit bull attack on a Washburn Street boy.
Police say a 2-year-old boy was alone with the famiy’s pit bull for only minutes when he was attacked and sodomized by the dog, a family pet that had never before shown any signs of aggression.
Lockport Police Detective Capt. Larry Eggert said the toddler had removed his own soiled diaper and asked to be changed just before the attack. His mother sent him into the living room to get a new diaper, Eggert said.
The boy was alone with the dog for only a brief time, Eggert said.
When the mother heard the boy scream, she walked into the living room and found the dog had mounted the child, Eggert said. The mother reportedly began yelling at the dog, which spooked it, causing it to run out the door and onto the porch, still attached to the boy.
Neighbors saw what was happening and helped the mother beat the dog to get it off the boy, Eggert said.
The pit bull, a 2-year-old named Bear, remains impounded at the Niagara Count SPCA pending the police investigation.
Niagara County SPCA Executive Director Al Chille said he’s fielded dozens of calls about the dog, many from out-of-state, and the overwhelming sentiment has been in favor of the dog.
“It’s been, ‘Save the dog, investigate the family,‘ ” Chille said.
Eggert said the family has been “very open, very cooperative” with police.
http://www.niagara-gazette.com/newtoday/gnnnewtoday_story_193173838.html
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miss.p 07-14-2007, 04:03 AM Holy shit :wowsers
luvmysailor81904 07-14-2007, 04:07 AM :wowsers:wowsers:wowsers
VinnysGirl 07-14-2007, 04:11 AM That's totally sick, but for a dog that's not something un-natural. That's the really sad thing. The poor kid was just kind of in the wrong place at the wrong time and the mother (unknowlingly) didn't think anything of it because it is a family pet. :sayeyes That's just a really sad situation for both sides!
Jennie 07-14-2007, 05:28 AM I don't even know what to say about this..
Jennifer 07-14-2007, 05:34 AM what the fuck?????????????
kathy 07-14-2007, 07:44 AM :wow um..yeah
Traci 07-14-2007, 08:37 AM :shock Holy Crap! :wow
Brandi 07-14-2007, 08:47 AM How sad :no Wow. :(
Becca 07-14-2007, 09:04 AM That's totally sick, but for a dog that's not something un-natural.
Biting isn't unnatural behavior either. It doesn't make it any more excusable. We had a dog once - bit my child - was gone days later, to a facility specifically for the rescue of his breed. I love our family dog, but if he ever did anything like that to MY two year old, I wouldn't be able to keep him in the house, no WAY. It would just be too much for me to think about every time I saw him, and let's not even begin to consider the trauma that the poor child was put through. Dogs are dogs (yes even the ones that think they're people :giggle). We love them, and it would KILL me if anything were to happen and we had to get rid of Pepper...but it doesn't change the fact that the kids have to come first.
~rain~ 07-14-2007, 09:10 AM wow...I don't even know what to say.
goldilockz 07-14-2007, 09:15 AM That's one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard of.
rachaelandyogi 07-14-2007, 09:19 AM I can't quite wrap my mind around this one. I don't understand why people want the family investigated so bad? Were there signs of abuse? Is that a sign of abuse?
Caimbrie 07-14-2007, 10:21 AM Ugh thats awful. I think it's terrible that people are pointing fingers at the family. That is not thier fault.
mrsjones0520 07-14-2007, 11:06 AM This is so wierd! But the famliy definately shouldn't be blamed! I've left my godson alone with his dog while I've gone to get a diaper! That's terrible that this happened to this family and now they're being investigated for abuse.
I_Love_my_marine 07-14-2007, 11:22 AM Im not even going to comment here! Just sick and wow.......
harrisonsdream 07-14-2007, 11:32 AM dh heard the dog actually did sodomize the toddler
oh thats disgusting and sad too. I would have never thought a dog of any breed would even do something like that.
missyanne24 07-14-2007, 12:10 PM Either way, that poor child... :sadeyes
dh heard the dog actually did sodomize the toddler
Well yeah... the article said he was still attached. :tears
That is so awful and WTF, how could someone say "save the dog, investigate the family" :banghead
Im sorry, I love animals. But I would have killed the damn dog.
harrisonsdream 07-14-2007, 01:12 PM Well yeah... the article said he was still attached. :tears
That is so awful and WTF, how could someone say "save the dog, investigate the family" :banghead
Im sorry, I love animals. But I would have killed the damn dog.
i couldn't get through the whole article. it's so said. i think someone said investigate the family because what factors played into the dog getting that far kwim? i would've killed the dog too
Pebbles 07-14-2007, 01:15 PM !@#$
That poor kid :sadeyes
Green~Mammy 07-14-2007, 01:18 PM Dogs will try and mount to show dominance (even female dogs) but I have never heard of something like this happening ever. It is so weird, and awful, and sad.
Nicole1788 07-14-2007, 01:21 PM Im sorry but i dont even leave my ferrets alone with the baby and i didnt leave her alone with the puppy either.
harrisonsdream 07-14-2007, 01:22 PM Dogs will try and mount to show dominance (even female dogs) but I have never heard of something like this happening ever. It is so weird, and awful, and sad.
that's very true. cosby tried to mount everything and anything (including us) after he got snipped and when he first moved in to our home.
Jennie 07-14-2007, 01:24 PM i couldn't get through the whole article. it's so said. i think someone said investigate the family because what factors played into the dog getting that far kwim? i would've killed the dog too
That's what I've been thinking about...It's weird to me that the dog was actually able to do anything.
VinnysGirl 07-14-2007, 02:14 PM Biting isn't unnatural behavior either. It doesn't make it any more excusable. We had a dog once - bit my child - was gone days later, to a facility specifically for the rescue of his breed. I love our family dog, but if he ever did anything like that to MY two year old, I wouldn't be able to keep him in the house, no WAY. It would just be too much for me to think about every time I saw him, and let's not even begin to consider the trauma that the poor child was put through. Dogs are dogs (yes even the ones that think they're people :giggle). We love them, and it would KILL me if anything were to happen and we had to get rid of Pepper...but it doesn't change the fact that the kids have to come first.
I didn't say I wouldn't be getting rid of the dog, because I would. I was just stating that is a natural thing for a dog. It's shocking, but still natural. Doesn't make the trauma on the child any less though.
~Jess~ 07-14-2007, 02:58 PM Something doesn't sound right. Your telling me in just a min the dog was able to mount a squirmy child and manage to acually get attatched? No way that happend in a min, my bets are the mother left her child alone much longer then just to fetch a diaper. If this dog is put to sleep over this I will be pissed. I feel horrible for that little boy and his family but seriously the story sounds like it's missing a few peices and the mother is lieing about how long she left the boy for. All in all it's a very odd story poor little boy.
queentreev1004 07-14-2007, 03:04 PM what the fuck?????????????
my thoughts exactly
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Shannon* 07-14-2007, 03:13 PM That's so bizarre and unfortunate for everyone involved. Outside of the psychological damage, I can't imagine how rough that's going to be for the kid when he gets older. In small communities you'll know who the person is, I'd consider moving out of the neighborhood to spare my child from further reminders by insensitive school children in the years ahead.
Veronica 07-14-2007, 03:34 PM two year olds are very curious. my guess would be, the dog has mounted him before, while he was fully clothed. The boy probably thought it was a game. Parents never saw it happening. Val plays in her room alone all the time, does that make me a bad parent? Chances are the mom was distracted, sent the boy to get his own diaper (which I've done as well) and he got distracted. Started playing with the dog, and the dog mounted him, now maybe he didnt scream right away (out of curiosity), either way, I cant fully blame the parents without an investigation. And I do believe the dog should be destroyed.
Traci 07-14-2007, 03:35 PM two year olds are very curious. my guess would be, the dog has mounted him before, while he was fully clothed. The boy probably thought it was a game. Parents never saw it happening. Val plays in her room alone all the time, does that make me a bad parent? Chances are the mom was distracted, sent the boy to get his own diaper (which I've done as well) and he got distracted. Started playing with the dog, and the dog mounted him, now maybe he didnt scream right away (out of curiosity), either way, I cant fully blame the parents without an investigation. And I do believe the dog should be destroyed.
If it were me the dog would not have to be destroyed because I would have killed it trying to get it off my child.
Veronica 07-14-2007, 03:36 PM If it were me the dog would not have to be destroyed because I would have killed it trying to get it off my child.
my dh said, he'd have snapped the dogs neck.
CoffeeGirl 07-14-2007, 03:42 PM that is some sick shit-makes me literally sick to my stomach at the thought
Traci 07-14-2007, 03:43 PM that is some sick shit-makes me literally sick to my stomach at the thought
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It's sad to think that can happen.
everlong11 07-14-2007, 03:47 PM That's totally sick, but for a dog that's not something un-natural. That's the really sad thing. The poor kid was just kind of in the wrong place at the wrong time and the mother (unknowlingly) didn't think anything of it because it is a family pet. :sayeyes That's just a really sad situation for both sides!
i agree
i hope the dog doesn't get put down for this. dogs mount things/people all the time. it happens. the poor baby was, like VinnysGirl said, in the wrong place.
~Jess~ 07-14-2007, 03:57 PM i can't believe some of you ladies believe the dog should be killed :no makes me sick
Veronica 07-14-2007, 04:00 PM i can't believe some of you ladies believe the dog should be killed :no makes me sick
:shrug I do, I have pets and have had countless dogs that I considered part of my family. I just think that since its happened once, it may happen again and I dont think the dogs life is worth that risk.
Traci 07-14-2007, 04:05 PM i can't believe some of you ladies believe the dog should be killed :no makes me sick
I didn't say it should be killed I am saying I would have killed the dog trying to protect my child. Why would protecting your child make you sick?:dunno
~Jess~ 07-14-2007, 04:08 PM :shrug I do, I have pets and have had countless dogs that I considered part of my family. I just think that since its happened once, it may happen again and I dont think the dogs life is worth that risk.
But who's the say it would happen again? NO one knows that and the dog could be adopted to someone WITHOUT kids. BUt to just kill a living thing so easily is horrible. I don't know how I would feel if I was the mother of that child, but since I"m not this is how I feel. I'm not trying to start anything with you V you know I like ya
~Jess~ 07-14-2007, 04:09 PM I didn't say it should be killed I am saying I would have killed the dog trying to protect my child. Why would protecting your child make you sick?:dunno
and I never said protecting you child was sick just killing a living thing so easily makes me sick. Like I said to V I don't know how I would react if this was my child, but since it's not my child this is how I feel.
Veronica 07-14-2007, 04:14 PM But who's the say it would happen again? NO one knows that and the dog could be adopted to someone WITHOUT kids. BUt to just kill a living thing so easily is horrible. I don't know how I would feel if I was the mother of that child, but since I"m not this is how I feel. I'm not trying to start anything with you V you know I like ya
I know your not startin' nothin!
I know nobody knows if it'd happen again, but I just think its an unnecessary risk. Same as a dog that bites. I was bit when I was 7 by a neighbors dog who NEVER showed aggression before. She bit me because the little boy in the family was hitting ME. She assumed I was the aggressor in HIS attack on me, and she bit me in the butt. Broke the skin, and I went through a few painful shots and a night in the ER. (it was in 1986). After she bit me, she was like a damn rabid dog and bit 5 other people before she was finally put down. Dont know what happened that made her snap, but she did. So IMO, because animals are so unpredictable, the risk should not be made. Even though it IS sad. I think a human life is more valuable than an animals. Unless the human is deliberately hurting animals or other people, but thats another debate...:lol
Traci 07-14-2007, 04:14 PM and I never said protecting you child was sick just killing a living thing so easily makes me sick. Like I said to V I don't know how I would react if this was my child, but since it's not my child this is how I feel.
I see your point. I misunderstood. I am pretty sure that if I walked into a room and that was the situation, as much as I love Ordie, I would kill him trying to protect my kid. I think it would be an instinct(sp) thing.
I know your not startin' nothin!
I know nobody knows if it'd happen again, but I just think its an unnecessary risk. Same as a dog that bites. I was bit when I was 7 by a neighbors dog who NEVER showed aggression before. She bit me because the little boy in the family was hitting ME. She assumed I was the aggressor in HIS attack on me, and she bit me in the butt. Broke the skin, and I went through a few painful shots and a night in the ER. (it was in 1986). After she bit me, she was like a damn rabid dog and bit 5 other people before she was finally put down. Dont know what happened that made her snap, but she did. So IMO, because animals are so unpredictable, the risk should not be made. Even though it IS sad. I think a human life is more valuable than an animals. Unless the human is deliberately hurting animals or other people, but thats another debate...:lol
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Brandi 07-14-2007, 04:25 PM But who's the say it would happen again?
Who's to say it WON'T happen again? Sorry, but I'm not willing to take that risk.
If it were my child, I would have probably killed the dog in the process of removing it from my baby. If that makes me sick, so be it. I'm not going to gently remove him though, that's for sure.
~Jess~ 07-14-2007, 04:29 PM Who's to say it WON'T happen again? Sorry, but I'm not willing to take that risk.
If it were my child, I would have probably killed the dog in the process of removing it from my baby. If that makes me sick, so be it. I'm not going to gently remove him though, that's for sure.
I never said it wouldn't happen again but it could be adopted to someone without children. ANd I never said protecting your children was sick nor did I sya anything about being like "oh doggie don't do that to the baby" I just simply said killing a living thing mad me sick. I am not the one to start shit with people I was just saying what I thought
Brandi 07-14-2007, 04:31 PM I never said it wouldn't happen again but it could be adopted to someone without children. ANd I never said protecting your children was sick nor did I sya anything about being like "oh doggie don't do that to the baby" I just simply said killing a living thing mad me sick. I am not the one to start shit with people I was just saying what I thought
I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just adding my thoughts to your response. :D
~Jess~ 07-14-2007, 04:32 PM I'm not trying to start anything. I'm just adding my thoughts to your response. :D
Ok just making sure. I tend to read tone really bad :D
Brandi 07-14-2007, 04:35 PM Ok just making sure. I tend to read tone really bad :D
No, I wasn't being snarky or rude. I was just trying to convey the opposing side of things. It's not something I'd chance, personally. If we didn't have kids, I wouldn't adopt a dog that had been involved in an incident like that. And I love animals- I do- but when it comes to my children, I'd kill an animal in a heartbeat. I know that sounds bad but I do not think rationally when my children are being harmed.
~Jess~ 07-14-2007, 04:39 PM No, I wasn't being snarky or rude. I was just trying to convey the opposing side of things. It's not something I'd chance, personally. If we didn't have kids, I wouldn't adopt a dog that had been involved in an incident like that. And I love animals- I do- but when it comes to my children, I'd kill an animal in a heartbeat. I know that sounds bad but I do not think rationally when my children are being harmed.
I see your point.
MontanaSweetie 07-14-2007, 05:10 PM Biting isn't unnatural behavior either. It doesn't make it any more excusable. We had a dog once - bit my child - was gone days later, to a facility specifically for the rescue of his breed. I love our family dog, but if he ever did anything like that to MY two year old, I wouldn't be able to keep him in the house, no WAY. It would just be too much for me to think about every time I saw him, and let's not even begin to consider the trauma that the poor child was put through. Dogs are dogs (yes even the ones that think they're people :giggle). We love them, and it would KILL me if anything were to happen and we had to get rid of Pepper...but it doesn't change the fact that the kids have to come first.
Ugggg, I hate to disagree with you Becca because I like you so much! :D
However, dogs alot of the time bite out of fear, or something the child has done to the dog...I don't think its fair that the dog be given up, sent to a shelter, re-homed or whatever in those certain circumstances. If my dog attacked my child out of pure aggression with no provocation, then heck yes, I would get rid of it, but if it was because of something my child did to it, then no, I would not be getting rid of the dog. Kids need to learn the correct way to treat animals. I'm sure this is side tracked from the OP, but I just wanted to say it. I think I'm more sensitive to this subject matter because I have cattle dogs and its in their nature to nip at people's heels etc.
And concering the OP, it is so very sad that something like that happened. :sadeyes
Personally I can understand why the mother would want the dog put down because it was a very tramtic (sp?) incendent (sp?). I would have probably killed the dog trying to get it off of my child. It does hurt that an animal would have to loose its life now that this is over, maybe they could find a all adult home and just let them know to not allow young children near it? I don't know I think it is a bad situation all the way around.
Veronica 07-14-2007, 05:24 PM Ugggg, I hate to disagree with you Becca because I like you so much! :D
However, dogs alot of the time bite out of fear, or something the child has done to the dog...I don't think its fair that the dog be given up, sent to a shelter, re-homed or whatever in those certain circumstances. If my dog attacked my child out of pure aggression with no provocation, then heck yes, I would get rid of it, but if it was because of something my child did to it, then no, I would not be getting rid of the dog. Kids need to learn the correct way to treat animals. I'm sure this is side tracked from the OP, but I just wanted to say it. I think I'm more sensitive to this subject matter because I have cattle dogs and its in their nature to nip at people's heels etc.
And concering the OP, it is so very sad that something like that happened. :sadeyes
we had an Austrailan Shepard/Collie mix while I was growing up, and she nipped EVERYTHING, but never broke the skin and NEVER out of aggresion. She was the sweetest thing ever. We were just inexperienced pet owners at the time. :tears
Rainbow Brite 07-14-2007, 05:27 PM That sucks alot!
Laurie119 07-14-2007, 05:39 PM How about adopting out the dog and having it neutered? Then it won't happen again. Obvious solution.
harrisonsdream 07-14-2007, 05:51 PM How about adopting out the dog and having it neutered? Then it won't happen again. Obvious solution.
neutering doesn't necessarily ensure no mounting. cosby kept trying to mount anything after he got neutered but it got stopped because we disciplined him
Traci 07-14-2007, 06:15 PM neutering doesn't necessarily ensure no mounting. cosby kept trying to mount anything after he got neutered but it got stopped because we disciplined him
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Traci 07-14-2007, 06:20 PM No, I wasn't being snarky or rude. I was just trying to convey the opposing side of things. It's not something I'd chance, personally. If we didn't have kids, I wouldn't adopt a dog that had been involved in an incident like that. And I love animals- I do- but when it comes to my children, I'd kill an animal in a heartbeat. I know that sounds bad but I do not think rationally when my children are being harmed.
I agree. I also hope i didn't come across rude as well Jessica. If I did I didn't mean for it to come across that way. I really do see your point but as a mother I see the flip side as well. I know I could turn into a mad woman if I saw any of my kids in danger. Act now, think later.
MontanaSweetie 07-14-2007, 06:22 PM we had an Austrailan Shepard/Collie mix while I was growing up, and she nipped EVERYTHING, but never broke the skin and NEVER out of aggresion. She was the sweetest thing ever. We were just inexperienced pet owners at the time. :tears
:sadeyes :hugs
Its not easy owning a cattle dog by any means...they have so many quarky traits that are not typical of most breeds, and alot of breeders & shelters do not recommend them going to people with kids because of how the dogs "nip" at things. People often mistake it for biting out of aggression or whatever, but it really isn't. I didn't know anything about cattle dogs either when we got our first one. Luckily my DH grew up around them, or I don't know what would have happened to Jake (our oldest cattle dog) because he did nip alot, and he used to try and "herd" our son into corners and things like that. Now that I'm more educated and experienced with them, I understand why they do those things.
Becca 07-14-2007, 06:33 PM Ugggg, I hate to disagree with you Becca because I like you so much! :D
However, dogs alot of the time bite out of fear, or something the child has done to the dog...I don't think its fair that the dog be given up, sent to a shelter, re-homed or whatever in those certain circumstances. If my dog attacked my child out of pure aggression with no provocation, then heck yes, I would get rid of it, but if it was because of something my child did to it, then no, I would not be getting rid of the dog. Kids need to learn the correct way to treat animals. I'm sure this is side tracked from the OP, but I just wanted to say it. I think I'm more sensitive to this subject matter because I have cattle dogs and its in their nature to nip at people's heels etc.
And concering the OP, it is so very sad that something like that happened. :sadeyes
Ahhhh I like you too :)
In our case, DD didn't do anything TO the dog, he was sleeping and she was playing next to him on the couch and startled him awake with one of her infamous squeals :giggle . To us though, it didn't matter that she didn't touch him. We have another dog that she has FALLEN on before (a large dog who isn't squishable) when he was asleep and he didn't even flinch - well ok he picked up his head and looked at her like "do you mind?" . I do understand that the terrier didn't bite out of malice - but it still wasn't ok with us. We just made a bad choice when we chose that breed...if she was a little older it might have been different, but she doesn't know what I'm talking about when I say "don't scare the dog".
If I had taken the time to study the breed before we thought "Awwww...my dog Skip!", we would have known better. In that case we were completely at fault.
(sorry for the TJ, I promise I'll never do it again. Today anyway.) :)
MontanaSweetie 07-14-2007, 06:48 PM Ahhhh I like you too :)
In this case, she didn't do anything TO him, she was playing and he was sleeping and she startled him awake. To us though, it didn't matter. We have another dog that she has FALLEN on before (a large dog who isn't squishable) when he was asleep and he didn't even flinch - well ok he picked up his head and looked at her like "do you mind?" . I do understand that the terrier didn't bite out of malice - but it still wasn't ok with us. We just made a bad choice when we chose that breed...if she was a little older it might have been different, but she doesn't know what I'm talking about when I say "don't scare the dog".
If I had taken the time to study the breed before we though "Awwww...my dog Skip!", we would have known better. In that case we were completely at fault.
(sorry for the TJ, I promise I'll never do it again. Today anyway.) :)
Sorry for the TJ on my part too. :)
And I so understand where you are coming from. You could fall onto one of our dogs and they wouldn't bite at you either, even though they are cattle dogs. They just nip at your heels when you're walking AWAY from them. :lol
Terriers are an interesting breed as well, but I personally couldn't own one. They sure are cute though! :yes
Veronica 07-14-2007, 06:49 PM :sadeyes :hugs
Its not easy owning a cattle dog by any means...they have so many quarky traits that are not typical of most breeds, and alot of breeders & shelters do not recommend them going to people with kids because of how the dogs "nip" at things. People often mistake it for biting out of aggression or whatever, but it really isn't. I didn't know anything about cattle dogs either when we got our first one. Luckily my DH grew up around them, or I don't know what would have happened to Jake (our oldest cattle dog) because he did nip alot, and he used to try and "herd" our son into corners and things like that. Now that I'm more educated and experienced with them, I understand why they do those things.
I still dream about her and she was put down when I was 14. Had her ALL 14 years of her life. She jumped the fence and bit someone (she'd already bit most of the neigborhood kids) and they called animal control on us. She was aggressive by that time (it WAS OUR FAULT) like I said, we were inexperienced pet owners. I miss her so much.
Sorry for the TJ...I just understand how pets become part of your family, but since becoming a mom, I just think there is no reason to risk people's health and welfare to save a pets life. Even my pet.
MontanaSweetie 07-14-2007, 06:57 PM I still dream about her and she was put down when I was 14. Had her ALL 14 years of her life. She jumped the fence and bit someone (she'd already bit most of the neigborhood kids) and they called animal control on us. She was aggressive by that time (it WAS OUR FAULT) like I said, we were inexperienced pet owners. I miss her so much.
Uggg, I would just die if someone called Animal Control on one of my dogs...they are my other kids. I'm sorry that happened to your dog! :hugs
Again, sorry for the TJ.
I googled this story and there are quite a bit of articles & discussions going on about it. Majority seem to be saying there is more to the story...
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/wgrz/T9SHL8OQLGOR36TIB
Here's one site
goldilockz 07-14-2007, 10:07 PM My question is this: Did the mother take the child to the emergency room claiming that had happened? Or did she have witnesses?
Reason I ask is that Satan (aka my mother's stepfather) claimed my mother was bleeding from her vagina when she was 7 because the dog had done it...
goldilockz 07-14-2007, 10:08 PM http://www.topix.net/forum/source/wgrz/T9SHL8OQLGOR36TIB
Here's one site
Thanks for the link, reading up.
This story is so strange.
Thanks for the link, reading up.
This story is so strange.
I agree...
It seems the witnesses were only there when she screamed, which scared the dog & the dog ran out of the house w/ the baby still attached and the neighbors seen. Otherwise no one was inside the house with her.
Jennie 07-14-2007, 10:16 PM Thanks for the link, reading up.
This story is so strange.
I think it's strange too. I told Dh about it and he thinks there's gotta be something missing to the story.
hteew 07-14-2007, 10:22 PM This is just insane. The child is going to need reconstructive surgery and was vomiting and bleeding when a neighbor was finally able to seperate the two of them?!?!?!
I just can't imagine that if I saw a dog attached to a child that I would stand there screaming and let the dog run out the door! I don't understand why the mother/owner wasn't the one who was fighting to seperate the two?
The whole thing seems very very wrong and missing a lot of information.
~Jess~ 07-14-2007, 10:23 PM yeah something is def missing from this story it just doesn't sound right. I really hope they get to the bottom of this b/c if this dog is put down and later we find out the parents we're involved I will be furious. This poor little boy, I'm so sad for him
I agree w/ majority of what those people were saying, that the dog learned the behavior. I honestly think the mom or whoever is involved in this sick case.
Mommy2Bailey 07-14-2007, 10:25 PM Personally I find it hard to believe. I have watched dogs breed and it dont look all that easy for the guy dog to get it in there. But the dog was able to penetrate a 2 year old anally and get hung up in the matter of a minute.
I dont see it happening that way.
jays_wifeyUSMC 07-14-2007, 10:26 PM I agree...
It seems the witnesses were only there when she screamed, which scared the dog & the dog ran out of the house w/ the baby still attached and the neighbors seen. Otherwise no one was inside the house with her.
OH MY GOD! That would kill my heart if that happened to my child.
Now I've had many of dogs in my day and if they ran after me or try to bite me my dad gave them away. I'm not all for destroying life but that dog will get the hell out of my house.
AND that mother had that baby in the room more than a minute...I've seen dogs trying to mount and it takes them a while...especially for a lil 2 years old anus!!! That baby had to be crying even the slight bit of penetration makes my lil cousin cry when he's getting his temperture checked. I think she was sleep and woke up and saw that.
I think she was sleep and woke up and saw that.
Nope, SHE gave her story stating he took off his diaper to be changed and she asked him to go into the room to get a diaper. In the room is when the dog supposedly mounted the baby on the dogs own...I just don't buy the story. Things don't add up right.
Jennie 07-14-2007, 10:29 PM Personally I find it hard to believe. I have watched dogs breed and it dont look all that easy for the guy dog to get it in there. But the dog was able to penetrate a 2 year old anally and get hung up in the matter of a minute.
I dont see it happening that way.
I've been thinking about that all day and haven't been able to word it so it made sense.
Mom says she left him alone for a 'short time'. In that short time, her dog was not only able to mount, but get attached as well? I've never seen a dog able to attach quickly - it always takes a couple tries.
Something else is bothering me - the dog ran outside with the baby still attached?! Does the baby have any injuries proving that? I would assume he'd at least have a bruise or something..
Something else is bothering me - the dog ran outside with the baby still attached?! Does the baby have any injuries proving that? I would assume he'd at least have a bruise or something..
Yeah, he had to have reconstructive surgery. Witnesses said the baby was throwing up & bleeding.
I guess the dogs' penis swells when it's inside? And it is dangerous to tear 2 dogs apart while their going at it bc of that...So I guess thats what happened.
jays_wifeyUSMC 07-14-2007, 10:31 PM ok now that I've read the story....i think that sick SOB taught that dog to do that. Thats why she was screaming and he ran out because she must of done something to scare him and he just took off running. IF i'm wrong then God forgive me but if I'm right that heifer needs to go to jail for the rest of her life!
goldilockz 07-14-2007, 10:32 PM I've been thinking about that all day and haven't been able to word it so it made sense.
Mom says she left him alone for a 'short time'. In that short time, her dog was not only able to mount, but get attached as well? I've never seen a dog able to attach quickly - it always takes a couple tries.
Something else is bothering me - the dog ran outside with the baby still attached?! Does the baby have any injuries proving that? I would assume he'd at least have a bruise or something..
That's what I wonder as well.
Jennie 07-14-2007, 10:37 PM Yeah, he had to have reconstructive surgery. Witnesses said the baby was throwing up & bleeding.
I guess the dogs' penis swells when it's inside? And it is dangerous to tear 2 dogs apart while their going at it bc of that...So I guess thats what happened.
I'm assuming that the reconstructive surgery is to his bum, but it doesn't say anything about injuries he got when the dog ran outside with the baby still attached. I find it hard to believe the child wouldn't receive any injuries if he was running around.
Jennie 07-14-2007, 10:39 PM It's pissing me off that people's comments to this (not on here, on websites with the article) are saying the dog should be 'destroyed' because of it, ESPECIALLY because he's a pit and it makes them want the breed banned that much more.
Ahh, gotcha. yeah, I wondered how he was able to drag the 2 yr old out.
I'm kind of iffy on the subject about the dog being destroyed. Some of the experienced dog owners are stating that if this is a learned behavior, the dog will not be able to stop doing it. If that's the truth, than he's a threat to kids. I guess if he were to go to a home w/ no children & carefully watched when out & about, it might be ok.
I don't know much about dogs though.
Jennie 07-14-2007, 10:46 PM The way I see it, every male dog learns how to mount. Does that mean all male dogs should be kept away from people because of that?
I understand what's being said if someone taught the dog to mount a child, tho. I don't think the dog should be punished for having shitty owners tho.
I hear ya....It will be interesting to see how the story unfolds.
Mommy2Bailey 07-14-2007, 10:52 PM I think dogs know how to mount other dogs. I think mounting a person like that is a learned thing. Its not quite the same as humping your leg ya know.
Nicole1788 07-14-2007, 11:04 PM Don't some dogs if you went to breed them need help with it? Like getting in the right spot?
goldilockz 07-14-2007, 11:06 PM Don't some dogs if you went to breed them need help with it? Like getting in the right spot?
Yeah
~Jess~ 07-15-2007, 09:45 AM When we were trying to breed my pit back in Va he needed help. It took him honest to god like 6 times b/c most dogs just get to humpin and get excited and don't care where it's at. That's why most dogs need assistance. I also don't know how a dog runs out of the house with a 2 yr old still attached b/c wouldn't the dog be tripping and falling with a child all up underneath him? Depending on what type of pitbull this is b/c yes not all pit are pits there are diffrent breeds and how big he was plays into effect. If this was a small/med size staffy then it would be very hard for him to run with a child underneath b/c of lack of room from stomach to floor. I dunno this story just bothers me. I hate not knowing the answers. I really hope they update this story.
FTCWifey 07-15-2007, 10:29 AM The whole story is sick and so sad no matter how it happened. That poor kid.
Don't some dogs if you went to breed them need help with it? Like getting in the right spot?
Yep Troubble (pictured below) cannot figure out which end of Snikers that he should go for. He does not try to hump us but he humps air, himself, and Snikers.
Just an after thought both of my babies are pittbulls and they are the sweetest and most wonderful dogs that I have ever owned. So it does frustrate me when people generalize and insult a breed. If a golden retriever or a lab did this they would just say a dog in the title and maybe state the breed in the article but they purposely state that it was a pitt. And now people have started back on the no pitts allowed bandwagon it really frustrates me. This incident had nothing to do with a breed. JMO:)
~KitKat~ 07-18-2007, 04:24 PM My best friend just told me about this today and I'm just in shock! I don't even have the words to say just sad!
Does anyone know how to get an update? I thought about this story the other day, wondering what happened.
misty*nicole 07-18-2007, 05:03 PM WHAT???
~KitKat~ 07-18-2007, 05:33 PM Does anyone know how to get an update? I thought about this story the other day, wondering what happened.
me too!!!
IrishPitch 08-16-2007, 09:58 AM This just doesn't make any sense. I've breeded pitbulls. I know that it takes time for them to mount and their thing doesn't just slip right in. It makes no sense at all!!! I'm just in shock of the whole story. I mean did the neighbors actually see the dog locked in the boy? Or was it just hear-say from the mother? I'm just asking this because what if the mother raped the boy and used the dog as a cover up story?? Just a thought!
Miss B Hav'n 08-16-2007, 10:05 AM Does anyone know how to get an update? I thought about this story the other day, wondering what happened.
This was published 1-August - having a hard time finding anything after that, though:
LOCKPORT: Pit bull investigation ongoing
By April Amadon/amadona@gnnewspaper.com
The Tonawanda News
Police say that the results of a DNA test on a Washburn Street boy who was apparently attacked by the family pit bull are in and the dog’s traces were the only ones found.
No charges have been filed in the bizarre incident where police believe the dog sexually assaulted a small child. The dog remains at the SPCA of Niagara County.
“We’re still plodding through it,” Lockport Police Detective Capt. Larry Eggert said.
Eggert said nothing incriminating was found in the results of DNA tests that were taken from the dog and from the boy.
“If it says dog DNA for both parties, it’s dog DNA, which is pretty much what we were expecting,” he said.
Women’s and Children’s Hospital of Buffalo will not release any information about the boy’s current condition or if he is still a patient there. He underwent surgery there when he was admitted on July 8, the day of the attack.
The boy’s mother told police he had just removed his own dirty diaper and asked her to change him. She said he went into the living room to get a clean diaper and was alone with the dog, a 2-year-old pit bull named Bear, for a matter of minutes when the attack occurred.
The mother heard the boy scream and walked in to see the dog sodomizing him, police said.
Eggert said at the time the boy suffered “some pretty significant injuries” and was expected to undergo reconstructive surgery.
SPCA Director Al Chille said the dog will remain with his organization “until we find out that the Lockport police have completed their investigation.”
The dog had been with the family since it was a puppy and had no history of aggressive behavior, Eggert said.
Chille said he’s received calls from all over the country about Bear from people with all different opinions. Some have wanted the dog to be euthanized immediately, while others have requested to adopt him.
“It’s tapered down, but we still get an occasional (call),” Chille said.
The boy’s mother has contacted Chille, as well.
“She’s demanding that it be euthanized,” he said.
Investigators have been receiving many tips from the community, but much of the information has been based on rumors and speculation about the family involved, Eggert said.
“(There are) a lot of good-intentioned people, but a lot of people that are jumping on the bandwagon,” Eggert said.
He urged anyone with solid information about the case to call him at 439-6722.
Berkley 08-16-2007, 11:02 AM That's a horrible story! How sad for the boy. And yep I'd kill my dogs if that ever happened.
harrisonsdream 08-16-2007, 11:05 AM http://forum.militarysos.com/showthread.php?t=87752&highlight=bull
libraej2007 08-16-2007, 11:09 AM All I can say is WOW
harrisonsdream 08-16-2007, 11:16 AM i think there are a bunch of gaps in this story.
Mae Mae 08-16-2007, 11:26 AM http://forum.militarysos.com/showthread.php?t=87752&highlight=bull
thanks for adding that... this story is getting weirder and weirder
harrisonsdream 08-16-2007, 11:27 AM exactly mae mae that dog learned to mount that toddler somewhere.
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