For debate purposes, because the recent animal debates get the wheels turning.


Do you support PETA?

Why or Why not?

i support their general ideas and goals however i have a huge issue with the extremists that throw red paint and blood on people wearing furs and all that

I support PETA's general cause. I don't necessarily condone all of their actions and tactics, but I do support what they stand for.

Nope. Because they are too fanatical for my taste. Too into the whole "shock value" of things instead of simply educating. They would much rather throw a ton of nasty pics in your face and tell you how wrong you are rathern then simply educate with unbiased facts and the like. I am not into the whole fanatical side of things. I admire those strong in their belifs but get quite irked when someone/anyone tries to ram their beliefs down my throat and thats how I view PETA

I support PETA's general cause. I don't necessarily condone all of their actions and tactics, but I do support what they stand for.

I am sorry that this is off topic, but I have to point out that you claimed we should not support ANY rodeos because of a FEW horrible events.

By saying you support some, but not all, of PETA's actions, you contradict what you said in the rodeo thread.

By your logic, you should not support ANY of what PETA does because of a few "actions and tactics", am I right?

What is peta? I'm guessing it's some radical group of animal lovers?

Well- I dunno. Lol.

People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals

http://peta.org/

And

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/index.cfm

I am sorry that this is off topic, but I have to point out that you claimed we should not support ANY rodeos because of a FEW horrible events.

By saying you support some, but not all, of PETA's actions, you contradict what you said in the rodeo thread.

By your logic, you should not support ANY of what PETA does because of a few "actions and tactics", am I right?

I'll answer this question, but won't go too far into it because its not what this post is about.

I don't support any rodeos because I feel MOST are bad, not just a few. My point in that thread is that just because there are some events in some rodeos that might not hurt animals, most rodeos have at least one event that causes harm to the animal. So I hope that clarifies my point.

And my logic with PETA, is that the entire organization is about animal rights, and about the ethical treatment of all animals. so I support the cause they are fighting for. Even though I wouldnt personally participate and might not like some of the ways they approach things, like some of the shock factor type things, doesn't mean I don't support them as a whole.

Anyway, I don't really see the connection between my thoughts on rodeos and PETA, lol.

I didn't think you would see the connection.

You wouldn't participate in shock factor?

I didn't think you would see the connection.

sorry, I guess I just don't see how they are connected, I see them as comparing apples to oranges. I did SPECIFY in my post on Rodoes, because you did ask about something having to do with the internet, that just because I felt a certain way about events like rodeos, didn't mean I applied that logic to EVERYTHING in life.

You wouldn't participate in shock factor?

Well I guess if you see my siggie as shock factor then I should take it back because apparently I probably do in your eyes. I wouldn't go and burn down a building, or go and blow something up, or go and yell in people's faces and tell them they are monsters. So I guess its in the eye of the beholder.

Despite its constant moralizing about the “unethical” treatment of animals by restaurant owners, grocers, farmers, scientists, anglers, and countless other Americans, PETA has killed over 14,400 dogs and cats at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. During 2005, PETA put to death over 90 percent of the animals it collected from members of the public.

PETA has given tens of thousands of dollars to convicted arsonists and other violent criminals. This includes a 2001 donation of $1,500 to the North American Earth Liberation Front (ELF), an FBI-certified “domestic terrorist” group responsible for dozens of firebombs and death threats. During the 1990s, PETA paid $70,200 to an Animal Liberation Front (ALF) activist convicted of burning down a Michigan State University research laboratory. In his sentencing recommendation, a federal prosecutor implicated PETA president Ingrid Newkirk in that crime. And PETA vegetarian campaign coordinator Bruce Friedrich told an animal rights convention in 2001 that “blowing stuff up and smashing windows” is “a great way to bring about animal liberation.”

You said that because SOME rodeos are unethical and abusive, you don't support ANY rodeos.

By that logic, wouldn't you have to not support PETA at all because of SOME of it's actions and tactics?

In MY opinion......
PETA = Propaganda
PETA = Extremists

I am all for animal rights....but there has to be a better way to get messages across to people..

PETA = People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals.

They have only recently begun using shock and awe as a tactic to produce awareness, and is a contributing factor to the negative press they recieve. They are, in my opinion, absolutely fanatical. I think that everytime one of them is arrested and fined, the money should go to a slaughterhouse. I say this only because I despise zealotry, not because I don't think they are correct in standing up for their beliefs - I just don't think the general public should be exposed to billboards of pictures displayed in another post on the freeways. These billboards are targetting children, plain and simple, in an attempt to disuade them from consuming meat when they grow older. There's a button there, if anyone feels like pushing it.

Now, PETA has done some good things in their lifetime. They helped create many laws that are in place today that protect animals. They were doing a great thing, right up until they decided the gears weren't moving fast enough.

You said that because SOME rodeos are unethical and abusive, you don't support ANY rodeos.

By that logic, wouldn't you have to not support PETA at all because of SOME of it's actions and tactics?

No because PETA is not hurting and torturing animals. The rodeo thread had to do with animals getting hurt. This PETA debate, has to do with how they go about spreading their word. Do you see how I see them as different topics?

No because PETA is not hurting and torturing animals. The rodeo thread had to do with animals getting hurt. This PETA debate, has to do with how they go about spreading their word. Do you see how I see them as different topics?

No I don't. This isn't a debate about how they go about spreading their word. The original question was DO YOU SUPPORT THEM. Read, thanks.

Since you claim they don't kill animals:

Hypocrisy is the mother of all credibility problems, and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA) has it in spades. While loudly complaining about the "unethical" treatment of animals by restaurant owners, grocers, farmers, scientists, anglers, and countless other Americans, the group has its own dirty little secret.

PETA kills animals. By the thousands.

From July 1998 through the end of 2005, PETA killed over 14,400 dogs, cats, and other "companion animals" -- at its Norfolk, Virginia headquarters. That's more than five defenseless animals every day. Not counting the dogs and cats PETA spayed and neutered, the group put to death over 90 percent of the animals it took in during 2005 alone. And its angel-of-death pattern shows no sign of changing.

Year Received† Adopted Killed Transferred % Killed % Adopted
2005 2,145 146 1,946 69 90.7 6.8
2004 2,640 361 2,278 1 86.3 13.7
2003 2,224 312 1,911 1 85.9 14.0
2002 2,680 382 2,298 2 85.7 14.3
2001 2,685 703 1,944 14 72.4 26.2
2000 2,684 624 2,029 28 75.6 23.2
1999 1,805 386 1,328 91 73.6 21.4
* 1998 943 133 685 125 72.6 14.1
Total 17,806 3,047 14,419 331 80.1 17.1

80% killed!!! WOW

I do read thanks, im not stupid
I KNOW this thread is about supporting Peta, MY response was about their actions.

You see the connection, I don't, so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

And where is that info from? I'm sure its a biased website. I'm just saying why should I believe it, I post info all the time with links, websites, info, etc and I'm told its biased and that noone should believe it, so I don't see why I should believe that.

You can choose to believe it or not.

I already posted a link ;)

And that lawsuit was public record.

Here it is again in case you missed it in your "reading" of the thread:

http://www.petakillsanimals.com

Sorry, but I don't see how This website is any different than a PETA website. this is an ANTI-PETA website. On the PETA website they also site lawsuits, and investigations. but people refuse to look at what PETA posts and what they have found through undercover investigations. So I don't see why i should believe this other website.

So I will in turn do more of my own research in places Other than extreme PETA and anti-PETA websites.

K. How about this one for "not extremist" http://consumerfreedom.com/

And now back to the original debate. Everyone else?

Thanks, I'll review it on my own time. I am now bowing out of this thread.

I don't support PETA. I believe in Animal rights but not to the point where I am being abusive toward people. You don't have to HARASS or ANNOY people to get your point across that you disagree with them.

I don't support PETA. I believe in Animal rights but not to the point where I am being abusive toward people. You don't have to HARASS or ANNOY people to get your point across that you disagree with them.

I agree with you.

Nope...don't like PETA, don't support PETA and I definitely do not agree with their scare tactics and shock value ways of trying to :quote open peoples eyes :quote.
I also can not and will NEVER support an organization that is all for banning a breed. Just don't find that very :quote ethical :quote This was taken directly from their site...

Legislatures across the country are increasingly seeking to ban pit bulls in an effort to crack down on dogfighting and prevent attacks by pit bulls. PETA supports legislation that bans the breeding of pit bulls, just as we support any spay/neuter legislation as the most effective way to combat the tragic companion animal overpopulation problem. We also support pit bull bans, as long as they include a grandfather clause allowing all living dogs who are already in good homes and well cared for to live the remainder of their lives safely and peacefully

Yes, I do believe that there are many animals out there that do get abused everyday, but I have a problem with banning a breed but allowing that breed that are in a loving homes to live but the ones who are in shelters and such to be euthanized. My sister got her Pit mix from a shelter and you will never meet a sweeter a dog. All dogs should be given a chance....that is why there are testing and evaluations in place at many shelters and rescue places....these dogs that are not able to be reformed can be weeded out instead of just killing off a breed.

I also am against PETA and I am disgusted by their scare tactics and radical extremism. Also, they are quite hypocritical at times...considering that their founder was a diabetic. I don't believe I need to explain the process of gathering insulin comes from, but animals are involved. They also tend to say one thing and then do another. I believe that alot of that stems from polarization among their organization from the more debate/legal matter types to the extremists...unforunately that polarization has done nothing but harm their cause and turns people off to their message. Would you rather listen to someone on the street who hands you a flyer explaining animal abuse verbally and in writing, or would you rather listen to someone yelling about how meat is murder and shows huge bold graphic images? That is my take. There have been plenty of changes in the treatment of our fellow human beings through the use of pacifist, not extremist measures (I.E. Civil Rights Movement). I think that extremism in any way is just not the answer or the means to achieve something. In our world, the manner in which you present yourself is how people are going to view you.

Kudos to those who are concerned for the rights of animals, but I am more concerned about the rights of my fellow human beings on this Earth who are suffering. I myself was once going to be a vet when I first started off in college...now I'm a teacher. Go figure.

Nope. Because they are too fanatical for my taste. Too into the whole "shock value" of things instead of simply educating. They would much rather throw a ton of nasty pics in your face and tell you how wrong you are rathern then simply educate with unbiased facts and the like. I am not into the whole fanatical side of things. I admire those strong in their belifs but get quite irked when someone/anyone tries to ram their beliefs down my throat and thats how I view PETA

:yes :clap
That's just what I think of them also!

Kudos to those who are concerned for the rights of animals, but I am more concerned about the rights of my fellow human beings on this Earth who are suffering. I myself was once going to be a vet when I first started off in college...now I'm a teacher. Go figure.

Exactly how I feel! I tend to use my money and time to help all the human being suffering around the world. I've never understood how people can be so concerned about animals (although I'm not saying they should be treated cruelly.) when there are so many people suffering.

And to answer the question, don't like PETA. I support the UNHCR and organizations like that.

No I don't support PETA, I don't support someone who supports banning a breed that I love or any breed for that matter and I don't support a group that had employees get caught killing animals in the back of their van and lastley I got my cat neutered at PETA b/c they were doing it cheeper and they cut something else with my cat who later had several problems with his boy parts and had to be put down :sadeyes (don't ask me to talk about it b/c I wont I loved that cat with all my heart and am still very much hurt by his death) all in all I DO NOT SUPPORT PETA

When I was in high school I was a member of PETA. After graduating however, and realizing just how incredibly twisted they can be, I decided to no longer support them. I still correspond and sometimes help out friends who are members of PETA2.
I think their heart is in the general right direction, but their tactics can sometimes cause more harm than good. I agree with many of their stances, just not the way they go about promoting or rallying.

I do support many animal rights causes through the ASPCA and the Humane Society, but don't directly support PETA anymore (as in I don't give them my time or money like I used to). There are organizations out there who are doing good for the environment and animals, without the shock tactics and extreme ways PETA does it's business.

I had never heard about PETA until I moved to VA. Then I got to see on the news, how bad they really could be. At Christmas time they will go to malls and harass the people if they see them buying fur or leather.

Then there was the case where 2 workers dumped the remains of dogs in a public dumpster. It was all over the news. Do I support that, nope.

I think the company is way to extreme. I despise people who abuse animals. I can understand trying to help but PETA takes it to far. I guess if it came down to a yes or no answer. I would have to say no I don't support PETA.

I do read thanks, im not stupid
I KNOW this thread is about supporting Peta, MY response was about their actions.

You see the connection, I don't, so I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

And where is that info from? I'm sure its a biased website. I'm just saying why should I believe it, I post info all the time with links, websites, info, etc and I'm told its biased and that noone should believe it, so I don't see why I should believe that.

Good point about that website because I just looked at it and it seemed very biased.

Here are some links to organizations that are for the animals and aren't that extreme:
http://www.helpinganimals.com/
http://www.aspca.org/
http://www.sos-penpals.org/
http://www.spca.com/

Here are some links to organizations that are for the animals and aren't that extreme:
http://www.helpinganimals.com/
http://www.aspca.org/
http://www.sos-penpals.org/
http://www.spca.com/

This debate is about PETA only ;)

PETA has always seemed to be very radical so I really haven't paid much attention to what their ideology is. Yeah I think animals should be treated well, I hate to see animal abuse but I think their organization goes overboard.

I don't pay much attention to the organization really. I think animal cruelty is awful, but they do tend to take things to the extreme.

I do not support PeTA for a few reasons.

Besides the fact that they are hypocritical and do put down animals while calling for everyone else to treat animals better than people, Ingrid Newkirk is a loon if you ask me. She has called for total animal liberation. TOTAL ANIMAL LIBERATION? Like we should let our pets roam free and let all of the animals out of the zoo. She seems to think that humans can do nothing but HURT animals, and I do NOT agree with that at all. She also publicly supports people who have been convicted of fire bomb buildings in the name of "animal rights", like Rodney Coronado.

PeTA has also funded crazy people like Rodney Coronado and the Animal Liberation Front (Earth Liberation Front), who BOMB and BURN DOWN the buildings of universities or companies they do not agree with. The ALF/ELF are ecoterrorists, and so is PeTA by association. PeTA is the definition of extremism and they simply hide behind a "noble cause" so that they can get away with whatever they want in the name of "animal rights", and do it all TAX FREE.

I LOVE animals. Hell, I have four cats that are my BABIES and if I could take in every single stray or sick or hurt animal in the world and make them all better I would. But I will never support PeTA. I do NOT think they are really in it for the animals.

ALF/ELF is an FBI recognized terrorist organization.

War on Terrorism anyone?

I don't pay much attention to them...they are way to extreme to me.

ALF/ELF is an FBI recognized terrorist organization.

War on Terrorism anyone?

Exactly. Those aren't the right "terrorists" though.

I support PETA- People Eating Tasty Animals...ok sorry. :giggle

I do not support PETA in any way, shape, or form. Too radical and too bogus for me. I do not sit well with people wearing fur, while I don't go and harass them, I do tend to think less of them. Luckily, I haven't seen anyone wear fur in a long time.

I support PETA- People Eating Tasty Animals...ok sorry. :giggle


That was great! :lol
And no I do not support them. They are too radical and I don't need their shock factor views shoved down my throat. I don't shove the fact I love meat down theirs.

No, I do not agree with how they go about things. Pita and PITB

I do support peta. I agree that they could use different ways to handle things.

I also believe in what they stand for because I'm a huge animal rights person, but they definitely have extremist tactics that I don't agree with.

No I dont support PETA. They are extremist and go about things in the wrong manner. I swear if one of em threw paint on my leather jacket ya'll would have to bail me out cause I would kill em.

Nope. I don't support them. They are far too extreme.

Nope...don't like PETA, don't support PETA and I definitely do not agree with their scare tactics and shock value ways of trying to :quote open peoples eyes :quote.
I also can not and will NEVER support an organization that is all for banning a breed. Just don't find that very :quote ethical :quote This was taken directly from their site...


Yes, I do believe that there are many animals out there that do get abused everyday, but I have a problem with banning a breed but allowing that breed that are in a loving homes to live but the ones who are in shelters and such to be euthanized. My sister got her Pit mix from a shelter and you will never meet a sweeter a dog. All dogs should be given a chance....that is why there are testing and evaluations in place at many shelters and rescue places....these dogs that are not able to be reformed can be weeded out instead of just killing off a breed.

Well said Judy, I fully agree with you.
I read a letter that Ingrid (the president of PETA) wrote about supporting the breed ban simply because she was attacked by a pit when she was younger.

PETA came into my small town a couple of years ago to run some protests. They picketed outside of our courthouse to stop recreational fishing in our state parks. They claimed it was cruel to the bait..

They also poisoned dogs at a dog show by slipping antifreeze in the water dishes.... http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=1950

PETA came into my small town a couple of years ago to run some protests. They picketed outside of our courthouse to stop recreational fishing in our state parks. They claimed it was cruel to the bait..

They also poisoned dogs at a dog show by slipping antifreeze in the water dishes.... http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=1950

:eek I would consider that unethical treatment - I always thought they were supposed to be AGAINST that?

PETA came into my small town a couple of years ago to run some protests. They picketed outside of our courthouse to stop recreational fishing in our state parks. They claimed it was cruel to the bait..

They also poisoned dogs at a dog show by slipping antifreeze in the water dishes.... http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=1950

Very damn hyprocritical of them to be killing and poisioning animals.

Yes I support PETA, I think some of their methods may be extreme but I understand the reason behind it. I am not a fanatic, I don't shove my views on anyone and I get annoyed when people feel the need to say things to me about anything that I might have on at the time that says PETA.

Yes I support PETA, I think some of their methods may be extreme but I understand the reason behind it. I am not a fanatic, I don't shove my views on anyone and I get annoyed when people feel the need to say things to me about anything that I might have on at the time that says PETA.

For the sake of debates, you're saying that you understand and support the fact that PETA donated $25,000 to the legal fund of the man who was convicted of the arson at Michigan State University? The same arson that caused 57 million dollars of damage paid for by taxpayer money?

You also support the fact that PETA gave $2,000 in 1999 to David Wilson while he was the national spokesman for ALF and $5,000 in 2001 to a support fund for Josh Harper, who was subsequently convicted in connection with ELF fire bombings of several business in Utah?

It seems to me that PETA doesn't support animals, they support the legal funds of eco-terrorists...

I know the good & bad of PETA's actions and yes I still support them. I refuse to blame the whole barrel because there are some bad apples.

I also support St. Jude, RAINN, Autism Society of America, & NAMI just to name a few. I am not going to argue why I support any of the foundations I choose to support. It does not make me good or bad it just means there are things that I choose to care enough about the issues they represent to give my money and time to them. In my mind it is that simple.

From the tone of the thread this is sort of a lets fry the PETA supporters. I don't choose to get myself jumped today and I don't choose to get involved in something that is going to for sure fire make me feel badly towards fellow SOS members.

Have a nice debate Ladies I am outtie 500 on this one.

Meh......:worried

I will always adopt from a shelter, and I would gladly give directly to any animal refuge... I just believe that PETA's fundraising efforts are a bit shady..

From the tone of the thread this is sort of a lets fry the PETA supporters. I don't choose to get myself jumped today and I don't choose to get involved in something that is going to for sure fire make me feel badly towards fellow SOS members.

Have a nice debate Ladies I am outtie 500 on this one.

It's not that I don't support PeTA members... it's the people who run PeTA and what they do to get what they want done that I disagree with. The average citizen who joins PeTA, I think, does it because they love animals.

I do not support PETA as I believe that they are a terrorist organisation.

PETA came into my small town a couple of years ago to run some protests. They picketed outside of our courthouse to stop recreational fishing in our state parks. They claimed it was cruel to the bait..

They also poisoned dogs at a dog show by slipping antifreeze in the water dishes.... http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=1950

OMG that is horrible..Dog show dogs are not mistreated!

I don't support PETA and I never will. Just as I used this quote from Harry Potter in another debate, I feel it is relative here. "The world is not divided into good people and Death Eaters." Just substitute good people and animal abusers and I think you will see what I mean. I think that while trying to fight against bad things, people can turn towards the other extreme until they are just as bad as those they are fighting against. I am not saying that all members of PETA are as bad as animal abusers, but I do believe that they have lost track of what they are fighting for and they use shock value and radical actions that do not further their cause and often harm animals and sometimes other people, particularly when they donate money to such subversive groups such as the ones I believe Hatetank mentioned.

PETA and Greenpeace are bedfellows. I would never support any "group" that uses those kinds of tactics to rally support. As so many have said, there are better ways.