Dear God:

Why didn't you save the school children at ?

Moses Lake, Washington 2/2/96
Bethel, Alaska 2/19/97
Pearl, Mississippi 10/1/97
West Paducah, Kentucky 12/1/97
Stamp, Arkansas 12/15/97
Jonesboro, Arkansas 3/24/98
Edinboro, Pennsylvania 4/24/98
Fayetteville, Tennessee 5/19/98
Springfield, Oregon 5/21/98
Richmond, Virginia 6/15/98

Littleton, Colorado 4/20/99
Taber, Alberta, Canada 5/28/99
Conyers, Georgia 5/20/99
Deming, New Mexico< st1:PersonName w:st="on"> 11/19/99
Fort Gibson, Oklahoma 12/6/99
Santee, California 3/5/01 and
El Cajon, California 3/22/01

Pennsylvania 2006
Virginia Tech College 2007< BR>
Sincerely,

Concerned Student

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Reply:

Dear Concerned Student:

I am not allowed in schools.

Sincerely,

God

Makes you think, doesn't it.

yep it sure as hell makes you think. why is it that all these horrible things are allowed in schools (information on the nazis, kkk, gangs, etc etc) but if there is a moment of silence in the morning parents get in an uproar

Dear God:

Why didn't you save the school children at ?

Moses Lake, Washington 2/2/96
Bethel, Alaska 2/19/97
Pearl, Mississippi 10/1/97
West Paducah, Kentucky 12/1/97
Stamp, Arkansas 12/15/97
Jonesboro, Arkansas 3/24/98
Edinboro, Pennsylvania 4/24/98
Fayetteville, Tennessee 5/19/98
Springfield, Oregon 5/21/98
Richmond, Virginia 6/15/98

Littleton, Colorado 4/20/99
Taber, Alberta, Canada 5/28/99
Conyers, Georgia 5/20/99
Deming, New Mexico< st1:PersonName w:st="on"> 11/19/99
Fort Gibson, Oklahoma 12/6/99
Santee, California 3/5/01 and
El Cajon, California 3/22/01

Pennsylvania 2006
Virginia Tech College 2007< BR>
Sincerely,

Concerned Student

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Reply:

Dear Concerned Student:

I am not allowed in schools.

Sincerely,

God

That was sweet, but no one died at the El Cajon one, I was there.

We always had a moment of silence in the mornings at school. I never remember anyone complainain about it. I dont see what the big deal is. If you dont want to pray during the moment of silence DONT. Stew in your hatred or whatever.

We always had a moment of silence in the mornings at school. I never remember anyone complainain about it. I dont see what the big deal is. If you dont want to pray during the moment of silence DONT. Stew in your hatred or whatever.

:agree

It really does make you think.

That was sweet, but no one died at the El Cajon one, I was there.

i think it also refers to the general trauma of the incidents

It does make you think. What some people tend to forget is that you don't have to pray during that moment of silence. That moment can be used for anything that you please as long as your silent.

I would like to know what happened in Richmond, Va 6/15/98 tho..

We always had a moment of silence in the mornings at school. I never remember anyone complainain about it. I dont see what the big deal is. If you dont want to pray during the moment of silence DONT. Stew in your hatred or whatever.

we did too at my high school but we always had people talk through it because "they all knew what it really meant" according to their warped twisted minds they couldn't be quiet for a minute. i agree with you though

I went to catholic schools all through 1st-12th so we always prayed. But there were many children there that were not catholic and they just stood there. I don't see what the big deal is either.

That's really sad:( And does make you think!!!

VERY VERY SAD, BUT SO TRUE!!! And they want to know why their students are hellion's!!!!

It does make you think. What some people tend to forget is that you don't have to pray during that moment of silence. That moment can be used for anything that you please as long as your silent.

I would like to know what happened in Richmond, Va 6/15/98 tho..

Armstrong highschool a freshman got in an arguemnet had a gun, whipped it out and started shooting students and teachers it was during finals...they said it was overstress

i think it also refers to the general trauma of the incidents

Oh yeah it was really bad! I knew the guy who did the shooting through friends, and it was CRAZY! His excuse was because the VP told him that he was too fat to join the Army :rolleyes First off, I do not believe the VP would have told him that, but the recruiter sure. I mean the guy was like 400lbs. But anyway, it was very very scary! I was in the building next door and we heard the shots and the swat and police running around our building. The only people who got hurt were the ones that happened to be in the same building as the shooting and they only got ricochet. There was one guy that broke his neck though, but he wasnt anywhere near the building that it happened in. He just freaked out when the cops came in to excort the class out and dove over a bunch of desks and snapped his neck. But what made it worse, was they decided to take all of us to the football field at first (which had us walk by the bloody spot where they shot him down) then they changed their minds and wanted us in the park across the street (so we had to walk back by the bloody spot again) Then it was a mad house at the park with parents scaling the fenses and the light poles.

Armstrong highschool a freshman got in an arguemnet had a gun, whipped it out and started shooting students and teachers it was during finals...they said it was overstress

Oh thanks. I'm stressed - I guess that means I can go shoot people. :rolleyes

Well, I for one think it is extremely tacky to turn tragedies into fodder for your political agenda. What about the shooting at the Amish school house, I suspect "God is allowed" at that school. There are shootings in churches too, remember Moscow, Idado just a few months ago?

Well, I for one think it is extremely tacky to turn tragedies into fodder for your political agenda. What about the shooting at the Amish school house, I suspect "God is allowed" at that school. There are shootings in churches too, remember Moscow, Idado just a few months ago?


I dont think she wrote that. Just copied and pasted from somewhere. Doesnt mean its her "political agenda"

I dont think she wrote that. Just copied and pasted from somewhere. Doesnt mean its her "political agenda"


I didn't mean to imply that it was the OP's political agenda, but it is someone's political agenda.

I didn't mean to imply that it was the OP's political agenda, but it is someone's political agenda.


Of course. Isnt everything these days?

:banghead

Oh thanks. I'm stressed - I guess that means I can go shoot people. :rolleyes

exactly...you get stressed you have freedom to take lives:dunno people search for blame everywhere

Well, I for one think it is extremely tacky to turn tragedies into fodder for your political agenda. What about the shooting at the Amish school house, I suspect "God is allowed" at that school. There are shootings in churches too, remember Moscow, Idado just a few months ago?

I agree. I find it kind of offensive that anyone would imply that bad things happen because of lack of religion, more specifically, lack of THEIR religion. How much you wanna bet that a vast majority of the kids who committed those school children were raised in "religious" homes?

The vast majority of this country claims to be religious yet we are one of the most violent industrialized countries in the world when it comes to things like assault, homicide, gun deaths, rape, etc. Religion sparks violence ALL THE TIME. What about

the crusades (Three times)
Thirty years war
wars of religion
Saxon wars
Salem Witch Trials
St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre
Mountain Meadow Massacre
Spanish Inquisition
Constantius (Roman Emperor Constantine's son, enacted laws which killed thousands)
St. Ambrose (Personally executed hundred)
the Christianization of Greece (Thousands killed)
Martyrs of Cordoba
Russian conquest of the Kazan Khanate and Astrakhan Khanate in the 1550s
Albigensian Crusade
French Inquisition (the first Inquisition, must later inherited by the Spanish)
Ireland throughout the Reformation
Goa Inquisition (English christians against the Hindi in India)
Executions of Mennonites, 1500's
Persecution of Jesuits, 1600's


That is, of course, not counting the violent attacks that still occur today in the name of a religion's supreme being... Since 1997, there have been 43 attacks reported to the National Abortion Federation, more than twice the number of 'godless' attacks in schools over the same time period.

I can also list all of the modern wars in the name of "God"... I don't think that lack of God in schools is the cause of school shootings and implying that godlessness is the cause of violence also in turn implies that those who lack God in their lives (atheists) are the bad people that make those bad things happen. I take offense to that.

By the way, there were no atheistic equivalents to Hitler. He was Christian. Atheists don't have their own version of the KKK. Atheists don't go around poisoning their kids in the hopes of being picked up by a UFO. Atheists don't strap bombs to themselves and kill hundreds of people in marketplaces in the Middle East. Atheists don't set off car bombs, killing our soldiers.

G'D is ALLOWED in school you can pray all you want, you just can't teach creationism in science class and the bible in history class. I find the whole thing offensive, those tragic accidents were not caused because of separation of church & state they were caused because a human being with free will made a choice to hurt (or try to) & terrorize people.

I wanted to add that you can't lead the class in group prayer but that you yourself can take a moment and commune with G'D anytime you want. Does not mean that ANYONE else should be forced to be silent or pray right along with you.

I agree. I find it kind of offensive that anyone would imply that bad things happen because of lack of religion, more specifically, lack of THEIR religion. How much you wanna bet that a vast majority of the kids who committed those school children were raised in "religious" homes?

The vast majority of this country claims to be religious yet we are one of the most violent industrialized countries in the world when it comes to things like assault, homicide, gun deaths, rape, etc. Religion sparks violence ALL THE TIME. What about

the crusades (Three times)
Thirty years war
wars of religion
Saxon wars
Salem Witch Trials
St. Bartholomew's Day Massacre
Mountain Meadow Massacre
Spanish Inquisition
Constantius (Roman Emperor Constantine's son, enacted laws which killed thousands)
St. Ambrose (Personally executed hundred)
the Christianization of Greece (Thousands killed)
Martyrs of Cordoba
Russian conquest of the Kazan Khanate and Astrakhan Khanate in the 1550s
Albigensian Crusade
French Inquisition (the first Inquisition, must later inherited by the Spanish)
Ireland throughout the Reformation
Goa Inquisition (English christians against the Hindi in India)
Executions of Mennonites, 1500's
Persecution of Jesuits, 1600's


That is, of course, not counting the violent attacks that still occur today in the name of a religion's supreme being... Since 1997, there have been 43 attacks reported to the National Abortion Federation, more than twice the number of 'godless' attacks in schools over the same time period.

I can also list all of the modern wars in the name of "God"... I don't think that lack of God in schools is the cause of school shootings and implying that godlessness is the cause of violence also in turn implies that those who lack God in their lives (atheists) are the bad people that make those bad things happen. I take offense to that.

By the way, there were no atheistic equivalents to Hitler. He was Christian. Atheists don't have their own version of the KKK. Atheists don't go around poisoning their kids in the hopes of being picked up by a UFO. Atheists don't strap bombs to themselves and kill hundreds of people in marketplaces in the Middle East. Atheists don't set off car bombs, killing our soldiers.

I 100% agree, with your post very well said.

No one is forcing anyone to pray during a moment of silence. Its a minute of the day to reflect on what ever that person chooses to. It doesnt hurt anything or cause anyone any pain. I dont see what the big deal is.

G'D is ALLOWED in school you can pray all you want, you just can't teach creationism in science class and the bible in history class. I find the whole thing offensive, those tragic accidents were not caused because of separation of church & state they were caused because a human being with free will made a choice to hurt (or try to) & terrorize people.

I wanted to add that you can't lead the class in group prayer but that you yourself can take a moment and commune with G'D anytime you want. Does not mean that ANYONE else should be forced to be silent or pray right along with you.

:agree

where i live, here in the bible belt, God is brought up everyday, in every subject (somehow). even in this small christian community, a boy was murdered a few years ago at school.

I'm upset by the negative response to this post, but I agree one hundred percent with the post from the OP! That's my opinion tough! :wink

I just think the moral decline of our country and the fact that religion has slowly been pulled away more and more might have something to do with each other!


eta: I also wanted to add that as a Christian I'm offended by the abbreviation of God. I don't see why it would need to be apostrophied. G'd is offensive to me.

eta: I also wanted to add that as a Christian I'm offended by the abbreviation of God. I don't see why it would need to be apostrophied. G'd is offensive to me.


I dont see why it needed to be done that way either. Its not like its saving you a keystroke or anything. I was a tad taken aback also.

We always had a moment of silence in the mornings at school. I never remember anyone complainain about it. I dont see what the big deal is. If you dont want to pray during the moment of silence DONT. Stew in your hatred or whatever.

I dont pray. But I wouldnt say I stew in hatred or whatever ;)

I also think its kinda sad to imply these wouldnt happen if there was more religion in schools. The Amish shooting kinda throws down that theory. You do not have to be religious to know right from wrong ;) Gary Ridgeway comes to mind ;) He was the green river killer in Washington state. VERY religious. Killed more then 50 women. Yet carried a bible, prayed and the like. He felt he was doing "god" a favor by killing prostitutes.

While the writer of that's heart may be in the right place, they failed to think long and hard before writing it. You dont HAVE to pray to be religious or have god. Just because a school doesnt allow prayer doesnt mean those whom go there cant pray. They can pray in their heads all they want. Lack of religion isnt the problem in my opinion. Its lack of discipline, people wired wrong and the lack. Had prayer been allowed in these schools it all could of still happened. And then what? People will always find something to place blame on. Be it violence in video games, music, lack of prayer, etc etc etc. They are searching for SOMETHING to place the blame on and unfortuantly that just isnt it. If a suicidal kid listens to heavy metal, he is no more likely to commit suicide then if he listened to religious music. The sucidal thoughts would of been there regardless. It wouldnt matter what the person listened to. I was young and listened to heavy metal when twisted sister, ozzy, judas priest etc went on trial. I listened to that music. And not once did I try to commit crimes or kill myself. I didnt have those thoughts, wasnt depressed etc. If a person is depressed, suicidal, not wired right, has psychological problems etc then those wont go away just because prayer was allowed, or they listened to something different or whatever

Just my .2 cents ;)

I dont pray. But I wouldnt say I stew in hatred or whatever ;)

I also think its kinda sad to imply these wouldnt happen if there was more religion in schools. The Amish shooting kinda throws down that theory. You do not have to be religious to know right from wrong ;) Gary Ridgeway comes to mind ;) He was the green river killer in Washington state. VERY religious. Killed more then 50 women. Yet carried a bible, prayed and the like. He felt he was doing "god" a favor by killing prostitutes.

While the writer of that's heart may be in the right place, they failed to think long and hard before writing it. You dont HAVE to pray to be religious or have god. Just because a school doesnt allow prayer doesnt mean those whom go there cant pray. They can pray in their heads all they want. Lack of religion isnt the problem in my opinion. Its lack of discipline, people wired wrong and the lack. Had prayer been allowed in these schools it all could of still happened. And then what? People will always find something to place blame on. Be it violence in video games, music, lack of prayer, etc etc etc. They are searching for SOMETHING to place the blame on and unfortuantly that just isnt it. If a suicidal kid listens to heavy metal, he is no more likely to commit suicide then if he listened to religious music. The sucidal thoughts would of been there regardless. It wouldnt matter what the person listened to. I was young and listened to heavy metal when twisted sister, ozzy, judas priest etc went on trial. I listened to that music. And not once did I try to commit crimes or kill myself. I didnt have those thoughts, wasnt depressed etc. If a person is depressed, suicidal, not wired right, has psychological problems etc then those wont go away just because prayer was allowed, or they listened to something different or whatever

Just my .2 cents ;)


I appreciate your opinion. And I respect it. I dont really pray either. But I think if a kid wants to pray he should be allowed to. ANd the stew in hatred was an exagerration....lol.......Take that moment to do whatever you want. Reflect on anything you choose to. By removing all signs of God from the schools is taking away the choice for the kids who want to pray during that moment of silence. By protecting the rights of some you are violating the rights of others.

As usual Trina beat me to it, especially the crusades. Nice lot they were. Cannibalism, rape, theft, torture. History is gruesomely fascinating.

I am not a christian. I do not pray to any god. I have a dog named AFTER a god (Thor) but I don't pray to him either, even though his ego probably thinks I do. I never go to church of any kind, I don't believe in god.

-I have never threatened to kill another human being.
-I have never told another human that they should convert to my religion.
-I have never stopped strangers on the street to tell them about why my way of life is better.
-I have never wanted to shoot up a school, office, etc.
-I have never committed a felony or crime worse than speeding.
-I have studied history and learned that rules and traditions Christians claim as theirs go back MUCH farther than christianity.
-I have never told someone that my life is worth more than theirs simply because of what I believe.
-I have never forwarded any emails about how I think people should live or think based on religion or even common sense
-I almost always donate whatever cash I have to the change box for whatever charity at the cash register.
-I have spent more time volunteering than most people I know (at battered women's shelters, teen help groups, drug prevention groups, educational facilities, support groups etc and NEVER ONCE told the people I was working with that my religion was right and maybe they should consider it.
-I am one of the hardest working people I know
-I don't do drugs and don't drink to excess (ok maybe like once or twice a year I might have a bit too much to drink)
-I don't look at porn, not even if it involves pictures of awesome swords or anything.
-I don't cheat or even consider cheating on my husband, you'd have to hit me on the head to notice a hot guy (although Alan Rickman's voice gives me shivers, I'd listen to him read the phonebook...but no carnal thoughts...that's the closest I come).
-I don't tell people that they should or shouldn't read certain books, listen to certain music, see movies with certain actors etc based on my beliefs or the beliefs of those authors, actors, etc. (But I will say don't read that book there's more plot in the ingredients of a shampoo bottle, etc).
-I never criticize people's choice in car decor (bumper stickers, etc)

And yet I have been told by people who profess to be Christians
-that I am going to hell
-that I am evil
-that I am not worthy of life
-that I am not worthy to speak to them or associate with them
-that my family is shit for not making me a christian
-that my family should be ashamed of me
-that things I read are wrong
-that music I listen to is wrong
-that clothing I wear is wrong
-that jewelry I wear is wrong
-that I'm going to hell because of who I vote/voted for
-that I should die
-that my bumper stickers are blasphemous
-that my life is a complete waste
-that they feel "sorry" for me for not knowing god/jesus/etc

And so forth. I say if someone wants to see an example of how well a society works that forces religion into everything, take a look at Iran.

This is supposed to be a free country. I'd like to see it kept that way.


And YES to everything Kristi said. Anyone can pray anytime they want in their head. Why force EVERYONE to do it? What if instead of a christian prayer the school did a muslim prayer or buddhist or hindu or pagan? How would you feel someone said "Oh you can just substitute your god when they say their god?" I suspect it'd be a whole different ballgame then.



Oh and Trina...I have a theory about Hitler. (I know we have a vegetarian on here, so if you're reading this CLOSE YOUR EYES). He was also a vegetarian. If he had a nice juicy steak now and then I bet he'd have been a happier and nicer man. (its just a joke folks before people jump on me)

As usual Trina beat me to it, especially the crusades. Nice lot they were. Cannibalism, rape, theft, torture. History is gruesomely fascinating.

I am not a christian. I do not pray to any god. I have a dog named AFTER a god (Thor) but I don't pray to him either, even though his ego probably thinks I do. I never go to church of any kind, I don't believe in god.

-I have never threatened to kill another human being.
-I have never told another human that they should convert to my religion.
-I have never stopped strangers on the street to tell them about why my way of life is better.
-I have never wanted to shoot up a school, office, etc.
-I have never committed a felony or crime worse than speeding.
-I have studied history and learned that rules and traditions Christians claim as theirs go back MUCH farther than christianity.
-I have never told someone that my life is worth more than theirs simply because of what I believe.
-I have never forwarded any emails about how I think people should live or think based on religion or even common sense
-I almost always donate whatever cash I have to the change box for whatever charity at the cash register.
-I have spent more time volunteering than most people I know (at battered women's shelters, teen help groups, drug prevention groups, educational facilities, support groups etc and NEVER ONCE told the people I was working with that my religion was right and maybe they should consider it.
-I am one of the hardest working people I know
-I don't do drugs and don't drink to excess (ok maybe like once or twice a year I might have a bit too much to drink)
-I don't look at porn, not even if it involves pictures of awesome swords or anything.
-I don't cheat or even consider cheating on my husband, you'd have to hit me on the head to notice a hot guy (although Alan Rickman's voice gives me shivers, I'd listen to him read the phonebook...but no carnal thoughts...that's the closest I come).
-I don't tell people that they should or shouldn't read certain books, listen to certain music, see movies with certain actors etc based on my beliefs or the beliefs of those authors, actors, etc. (But I will say don't read that book there's more plot in the ingredients of a shampoo bottle, etc).
-I never criticize people's choice in car decor (bumper stickers, etc)

And yet I have been told by people who profess to be Christians
-that I am going to hell
-that I am evil
-that I am not worthy of life
-that I am not worthy to speak to them or associate with them
-that my family is shit for not making me a christian
-that my family should be ashamed of me
-that things I read are wrong
-that music I listen to is wrong
-that clothing I wear is wrong
-that jewelry I wear is wrong
-that I'm going to hell because of who I vote/voted for
-that I should die
-that my bumper stickers are blasphemous
-that my life is a complete waste
-that they feel "sorry" for me for not knowing god/jesus/etc

And so forth. I say if someone wants to see an example of how well a society works that forces religion into everything, take a look at Iran.

This is supposed to be a free country. I'd like to see it kept that way.


And YES to everything Kristi said. Anyone can pray anytime they want in their head. Why force EVERYONE to do it? What if instead of a christian prayer the school did a muslim prayer or buddhist or hindu or pagan? How would you feel someone said "Oh you can just substitute your god when they say their god?" I suspect it'd be a whole different ballgame then.



Oh and Trina...I have a theory about Hitler. (I know we have a vegetarian on here, so if you're reading this CLOSE YOUR EYES). He was also a vegetarian. If he had a nice juicy steak now and then I bet he'd have been a happier and nicer man. (its just a joke folks before people jump on me)


I have no problem with anyones religion or lack thereof. And I also would have no problem with the teachings of different religions in my kids school. Knowledge is power and the more they know the better off they will be.

eta: I also wanted to add that as a Christian I'm offended by the abbreviation of God. I don't see why it would need to be apostrophied. G'd is offensive to me.

Jews believe that the name of God should not be written. It always appears as G-d (or the Hebrew equivalent). I am fairly certain the poster who spelled G'd this way is Jewish and was following the common practice of her religion in her choice of spelling. It is not meant to be offensive.

Jews believe that the name of God should not be written. It always appears as G-d (or the Hebrew equivalent). I am fairly certain the poster who spelled G'd this way is Jewish and was following the common practice of her religion in her choice of spelling. It is not meant to be offensive.


Ahhhhhh. I understand now. Thanks for clearing that up.

I have no problem with anyones religion or lack thereof. And I also would have no problem with the teachings of different religions in my kids school. Knowledge is power and the more they know the better off they will be.

That's what my mum thought. She felt I should make the choice for myself after being educated about religion. My school actually did teach about different religions, in our sociology class each person had to pick a different religion and do a presentation on it. It was really cool.

I appreciate your opinion. And I respect it. I dont really pray either. But I think if a kid wants to pray he should be allowed to. ANd the stew in hatred was an exagerration....lol.......Take that moment to do whatever you want. Reflect on anything you choose to. By removing all signs of God from the schools is taking away the choice for the kids who want to pray during that moment of silence. By protecting the rights of some you are violating the rights of others.

I wasn't aware that the moment of silence was taken out of schools for religious reasons. I wasn't even aware it was officially taken out. Where did you (anyone, not specifically YOU... lol) come up with that? Just curious.

That's what my mum thought. She felt I should make the choice for myself after being educated about religion. My school actually did teach about different religions, in our sociology class each person had to pick a different religion and do a presentation on it. It was really cool.

I was too. I was actually taught about basic Christian, Muslim, and Jewish principals in school in a world history class, and I was also taught about other religions in church growing up. As weird as it may sound to some, I think that the lessons about all of the other religions that I did get growing up are one of the major reasons I am atheist now. I have no problem with people learning about religion, as long as one religion isn't shoved down kids throats so that they grow up with the sense that if they don't practice that religion they will go to hell. Religion is fascinating in and of itself, and studying the human fascination and practice of religion even more so. I do however have a problem with prayer in school if it conducted by a teacher or administrator in front of the whole class or over the loud speaker. That is the equivalent of shoving something down the throats of young impressionable people despite what their parents want them to learn. Religion is a highly personal and debatable thing. What and when religion is taught should be left up to the parents and done at home and in churches that those parents choose to take their kids to.

If you're a believer, God is in your heart and mind every day you walk into that building, regardless of what the law says. If the believers feel persecuted for their beliefs, might I mention a few persecutions executed by the church? Inquisition, Crusades, et al.? In those instances, there was no room for science, heretics, pagans or Muslims.

Perspective, ya know?

I'm upset by the negative response to this post, but I agree one hundred percent with the post from the OP! That's my opinion tough! :wink

I just think the moral decline of our country and the fact that religion has slowly been pulled away more and more might have something to do with each other!


eta: I also wanted to add that as a Christian I'm offended by the abbreviation of God. I don't see why it would need to be apostrophied. G'd is offensive to me.

Thanks I am JEWISH it is so what I write can never take G'Ds name in vain KTHX

Sorry I reacted very badly to reading that I have no excuse for getting angry it is just not the first time it has been said in a debate over religion. I got pissed off and typed with out calming down. I am not erasing it because I have my BGP's on.