If you were a pharmacist, would you have a problem with distributing the morning after pill?

No I wouldn't. I am against abortion, but I think this is different....it is taken before you would even be able to tell if you were pregnant.

:agree

no, i wouldn't have a problem with it. as i understand it, the morning-after pill prevents implantation so i don't see it as an abortion issue.

the law journal that i work on published an article this year that suggests that pharmacies might actually expose themselves to tort liability when they absolutely refuse to dispense the morning-after pill.

no unless it was the same girl or name popping up over and over again

I wouldn't have a problem. If I did, I'd pick a profession other than pharmacy.

If I chose that as my career then I better be able to dispense peoples medication to them. My morals have no business preventing someone else's medical care.

If I chose that as my career then I better be able to dispense peoples medication to them. My morals have no business preventing someone else's medical care.

:yes I totally agree!

no, i wouldn't have a problem with it. as i understand it, the morning-after pill prevents implantation so i don't see it as an abortion issue.


no unless it was the same girl or name popping up over and over again

I don't know that even repeated users would make me have a problem with it.....women take birth control every day to prevent the same thing - albiet the 'pill' prevents ovulation, this one just prevents implantation.

No I wouldn't. I am against abortion, but I think this is different....it is taken before you would even be able to tell if you were pregnant.

:tu

I don't know that even repeated users would make me have a problem with it.....women take birth control every day to prevent the same thing - albiet the 'pill' prevents ovulation, this one just prevents implantation.

b/c in my eyes using an emergency contraceptive should be used in an emergency if you keep putting yourself in the situations where you need that pill then your life needs to be re-evaluated. then again i wouldn't be a pharmacist

No I would have NO problem. They are pharmacists, not God and they shouldnt judge anyone.

If I chose that as my career then I better be able to dispense peoples medication to them. My morals have no business preventing someone else's medical care.

very well said :D

I'd never be a pharm. :D but if I was I would definitely fill the morning after.

Article about WalMart (finally) agreeing to comply with Planned Parenthoods pleas to stop pharmacy refusuals.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/news-articles-press/politics-policy-issues/walmart-policy-13564.htm

If I chose that as my career then I better be able to dispense peoples medication to them. My morals have no business preventing someone else's medical care.

:agree

If you plan to go into a profession such as doctor or pharmacist, you should be prepared to go against your own PERSONAL beliefs in order to provide the care people EXPECT.

If I chose that as my career then I better be able to dispense peoples medication to them. My morals have no business preventing someone else's medical care.
said it better than I could. :agree

Nope, I'd have no problem dispensing it.

No, I wouldn't.

Absolutely not. I don't feel that it would be up to me, as a professional in my job, to deny anything to anyone that they should be legally able to obtain. I would have no personal issue with it, but even if I did, I would hope that I would have more professionalism than that.

No I would have NO problem. They are pharmacists, not God and they shouldnt judge anyone.

Exactly. I would definetly fill the persciption. If they don't get the pill from me, they will get it from someone else.

I wouldn't have a problem. If I did, I'd pick a profession other than pharmacy.

Agreed.

b/c in my eyes using an emergency contraceptive should be used in an emergency if you keep putting yourself in the situations where you need that pill then your life needs to be re-evaluated.

If someone is going to use the morning after pill over and over again, do you really want them being a parent though?

If I chose that as my career then I better be able to dispense peoples medication to them. My morals have no business preventing someone else's medical care.

Exactly. This is how I feel as well.

If someone is going to use the morning after pill over and over again, do you really want them being a parent though?



Exactly. This is how I feel as well.

that's a good point for not wanting them to be parents. i don't know i have problems with someone using that sort of thing over and over again kwim?

that's a good point for not wanting them to be parents. i don't know i have problems with someone using that sort of thing over and over again kwim?

I can understand why you'd have problems with it, but medical wise, you can't pick & choose who you want to dispense medicine too just because they use the morning after pill repeatedly.

I can understand why you'd have problems with it, but medical wise, you can't pick & choose who you want to dispense medicine too just because they use the morning after pill repeatedly.

yeah medically i wouldn't have a problem with it but morally i would.

Medically I would have a problem dispensing it to the same person over & over because our bodies are just not meant for repeated over stimulation of hormones. Morally no problem but it isn't healthy to take it over and over. Regular BC is a slow dosing hormone but the morning after is a large amount of it all at once.

Medically, I could do it without a problem.Morally, there's no way. I'm against the morning after pill in anything other then an emergency like a rape or something.

Can someone who is morally against it tell me why they feel that way? I'm curious.

Can someone who is morally against it tell me why they feel that way? I'm curious.

if you use it once or something like that that's different than repeatedly getting prescribed it. i just think if you keep putting yourself in situations where you need the morning after over and over again then maybe you need to re-evaluate your situation.

ETA: i'd like to thank you for asking respectfully

if you use it once or something like that that's different than repeatedly getting prescribed it. i just think if you keep putting yourself in situations where you need the morning after over and over again then maybe you need to re-evaluate your situation.

ETA: i'd like to thank you for asking respectfully

Your welcome! :) I'm just trying to understand because morally I don't have any problem with someone taking the morning after pill.

Your welcome! :) I'm just trying to understand because morally I don't have any problem with someone taking the morning after pill.

i don't either for one time or maybe even twice but if it's being used as your form of bc that causes issue with me

When you have a job that deals with other peoples lives and medical issues like that I dont think your morals have a place there. Its your job to dispense the medication prescribed to them without judging or anything.

To me it is still a life even though it didn't connect to the wall. If it was for rape...maybe but even then...no. Just what I believe. If someone is going to the pharmacy to get it, who knows how long it has been since conception. I would be more willing to give it to the Dr. at the emergancy room then over the counter. I just don't know.

When you have a job that deals with other peoples lives and medical issues like that I dont think your morals have a place there. Its your job to dispense the medication prescribed to them without judging or anything.

i also said that i wouldn't have a job as a pharmacist because of that and because of things like people dr. shopping and getting scripts for things like xanax by four diff. doctors and abusing them

i don't either for one time or maybe even twice but if it's being used as your form of bc that causes issue with me

True, but I guess my thinking is that we can't control what someone is going to do (i.e. having sex without using protection), so if they choose to use this medicine, which the FDA has allowed into circulation without restrictions on how many times you can use it, then I'm not one to say if they can use it or not.

i also said that i wouldn't have a job as a pharmacist because of that

I wanst saying that to you jill. Just in general.

If you (general you) were a car salesman would you not sell someone a car just cause you didnt like what they did for a living?

True, but I guess my thinking is that we can't control what someone is going to do (i.e. having sex without using protection), so if they choose to use this medicine, which the FDA has allowed into circulation without restrictions on how many times you can use it, then I'm not one to say if they can use it or not.

just b/c the FDA hasn't figured out possible side effects yet doesn't mean in a couple years they won't find something

I wanst saying that to you jill. Just in general.

If you (general you) were a car salesman would you not sell someone a car just cause you didnt like what they did for a living?

ahh okay wasn't sure who you were referring to

just b/c the FDA hasn't figured out possible side effects yet doesn't mean in a couple years they won't find something

True, but since we can't predict that, I don't see the point in not allowing someone to have it. No medicine is matter of fact. For one person it can be great and for another it can cause horrible problems.

For instance, I'm taking an anti-seizure drug that is brand new to the market. Maybe it will have horrible side effects later on, but I am choosing to take it because I think its going to benefit me in the long run.

True, but since we can't predict that, I don't see the point in not allowing someone to have it. No medicine is matter of fact. For one person it can be great and for another it can cause horrible problems.

For instance, I'm taking an anti-seizure drug that is brand new to the market. Maybe it will have horrible side effects later on, but I am choosing to take it because I think its going to benefit me in the long run.

i know, i just dont' like the idea of putting synthetic hormones in my body kwim?

i know, i just dont' like the idea of putting synthetic hormones in my body kwim?

I don't either, its one of the reasons why I don't use BC. But, I'm still ok with other people taking it if they choose.

No because even though I would never use it or have an abortion I still think it is even more wrong to prevent other people from making there own decisions.

Nope, and if I couldn't keep my personal inhibitions away from my job, then I would pick another job. It is none of my business what/why people utilize a medication, the job is to dispense it, not to push personal beliefs unto others.

To me it is still a life even though it didn't connect to the wall. If it was for rape...maybe but even then...no. Just what I believe. If someone is going to the pharmacy to get it, who knows how long it has been since conception. I would be more willing to give it to the Dr. at the emergancy room then over the counter. I just don't know.

This is no attack on your belief, I just wanted to share a little info about EC, and the most common Plan B.

It is not an abortion. It will not abort a current pregnancy.

It essentially works in 3 ways:

~it can prevent ovulation
~it can thicken the cervical mucus so sperm can't penetrate
~it won't let the egg implant in the sidewall

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How about we stop treating pregnancy like a negative side affect of sex? People use as much protection against pregnancies as they do against AIDS. If you don't want to run the risk of getting pregnant, don't have sex with a partner capable of doing JUST THAT. Heavy petting can even be a quite effective sexual release when in the right hands - pun intended.

The question one would have to answer about the morning after pill is simple: When does life START? The answer, obviously, is much more elusive. Sexually active women who don't use protection actually pass several fertilized eggs during her period. So, hopefully, life doesn't start at fertilization. Even if the fertilized egg attaches, the odds are still severly against it as the body is prone to reject it, often self-aborting it and passing it during a period (which is why some sexually active women experience pregnancy-like symptoms just before or after a period). So, hopefully, life doesn't start after attachment.

If the medicine doesn't allow the egg to implant, isn't this technically a medicinally-induced abortion?

great post

Are we straying away from the original question?


If I was a pharmacist I would not withhold medication from anyone based on my morals and beliefs.

Sorry if that came across bitchy. I'm in a mood

Are we straying away from the original question?


If I was a pharmacist I would not withhold medication from anyone based on my morals and beliefs.

Sorry if that came across bitchy. I'm in a mood

Nope.

The question one would have to answer about the morning after pill is simple: When does life START? The answer, obviously, is much more elusive. Sexually active women who don't use protection actually pass several fertilized eggs during her period. So, hopefully, life doesn't start at fertilization. Even if the fertilized egg attaches, the odds are still severly against it as the body is prone to reject it, often self-aborting it and passing it during a period (which is why some sexually active women experience pregnancy-like symptoms just before or after a period). So, hopefully, life doesn't start after attachment.

If the medicine doesn't allow the egg to implant, isn't this technically a medicinally-induced abortion?

Nope.

I dont think its a question of implantation. Its about does the pharmacist have the right to withhold the pill because he or she doesnt agree with it

I dont think its a question of implantation. Its about does the pharmacist have the right to withhold the pill because he or she doesnt agree with it

And that's why I brought up one's beliefs about when life starts. You can only answer the morning after pill question after having answered the question of when one believes life starts - and I pre-emptively added the common rebuttal arguments after each.

yeah ok

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that's a good point for not wanting them to be parents. i don't know i have problems with someone using that sort of thing over and over again kwim?

Well, I wouldn't like if people did that either, but how do you know that is even a common occurrence? I think it comes down to, if you don't like it don't do it, but what someone else does simply isn't anyone else's choice or your business, KWIM?

To me it is still a life even though it didn't connect to the wall. If it was for rape...maybe but even then...no. Just what I believe. If someone is going to the pharmacy to get it, who knows how long it has been since conception. I would be more willing to give it to the Dr. at the emergancy room then over the counter. I just don't know.

Doctors don't just write scripts for it like it's no big deal. You have to get an ultrasound to get any kind of emergency contraception, and with the morning after pill, if implantation has already occurred it won't make a difference anyway. It can't un-implant an egg. It won't do any more damage than taking the BC pill while pregnant does, which happens to a lot of women who get pregnant on the pill and don't realize it and stop taking it until after they become pregnant.

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it is still quoted by me so if anyone wants to read it feel free to

And that's why I brought up one's beliefs about when life starts. You can only answer the morning after pill question after having answered the question of when one believes life starts - and I pre-emptively added the common rebuttal arguments after each.

I think the original question implied that some people believe that life starts at conception and some do not and was designed to find out if their belief would influence their willingness to dispense the pill, not find out what they believe... :dunno

I think the original question implied that some people believe that life starts at conception and some do not and was designed to find out if their belief would influence their willingness to dispense the pill, not find out what they believe... :dunno

Exactly.

I don't have a problem with it. If I was a pharmacist I wouldn't have an issue giving it out. Its basically a double/triple dose of your birth control pills. And you can only use it within the first two to three days after unprotected sex... its not like you can use it a week or so after when there is actually a chance of you being pregnant...

Well, I wouldn't like if people did that either, but how do you know that is even a common occurrence? I think it comes down to, if you don't like it don't do it, but what someone else does simply isn't anyone else's choice or your business, KWIM?



Doctors don't just write scripts for it like it's no big deal. You have to get an ultrasound to get any kind of emergency contraception, and with the morning after pill, if implantation has already occurred it won't make a difference anyway. It can't un-implant an egg. It won't do any more damage than taking the BC pill while pregnant does, which happens to a lot of women who get pregnant on the pill and don't realize it and stop taking it until after they become pregnant.

Many doctors do not require an ultrasound, I know many that don't even require the patient to go into the office. All you have to do with some doctors is call and ask, and they call it into the pharmacy.

I think the original question implied that some people believe that life starts at conception and some do not and was designed to find out if their belief would influence their willingness to dispense the pill, not find out what they believe... :dunno

If you were a pharmacist, would you have a problem with distributing the morning after pill?

I read: "Would your views on abortion interfere with decisions you make in your job as a pharmacist?"

I was adding amplifying data in identifying common view points (and their rebuttals) and identified the morning after pill as medicinally-induced abortion. I'll keep my future posts as relative as possible, sorry.

Plan B is available over the counter at the age of 18. 17 and under have to see a doctor. you also have to go within 72 hours of sex otherwise it won't matter

If you were a pharmacist, would you have a problem with distributing the morning after pill?

No, because I am not morally responsible for the choices of others.

I wouldn't have a problem with it. I myself had to get it before Dh and I were married. I think that when they do give it to you that there should be someone to talk to. It helped me a lot. I can still remember dh (at that time Db) when the lady asked him "are you ready to be a dad" his face turned white as a ghost. They do tell you that it shouldn't be your "safety net" every time. To make responsible choices but if something happens then you can have it

Absolutely not. And I would rather a girl coming in to get them all the time then her having more babies than she could handle, or just aborting them when the sperm HAS reached the egg.

In this case it hasn't- in my mind, that is no abortion pill. It's more like an emergency contraception.

Just to throw my 2 cents in on the mix....

Ive worked in a pharmacy for...well, years and years now, back before the pill was OTC in some places. And SOME doctors DO write it like its nothing. We would get girls who would bring in an rx for 30 pills with 12 refills. We would always call the dr to change it to ONE. We never had a problem dispensing it, as an EMERGENCY contraceptive. But we wouldnt fill them for a months supply. Taking one of those pills is like taking a whole pack of BC all at once. Its not healthy to do over and over again.

And, its more expensive than a condom :)

If you were a pharmacist, would you have a problem with distributing the morning after pill?

I read: "Would your views on abortion interfere with decisions you make in your job as a pharmacist?"

I was adding amplifying data in identifying common view points (and their rebuttals) and identified the morning after pill as medicinally-induced abortion. I'll keep my future posts as relative as possible, sorry.

Don't get mad or anything. I was just trying to help... :dunno

And somehow I doubt that doctors are supposed to hand it out like it's nothing, and even if they do, I still don't see how that is anyone's business but the doctors and the patients. A pharmacists job is not to decide if the person who got the prescription is worthy of it or if that prescription is appropriate. That is the doctors job. A pharmacist is supposed to put the pills in the bottle and hand it to the person it was prescribed to.

no, I wouldnt have a problem filling the prescription bc thats what my job would require me to do, regardless of my beliefs. I wouldnt be in any position to judge.

Well, I wouldn't like if people did that either, but how do you know that is even a common occurrence? I think it comes down to, if you don't like it don't do it, but what someone else does simply isn't anyone else's choice or your business, KWIM?



Doctors don't just write scripts for it like it's no big deal. You have to get an ultrasound to get any kind of emergency contraception, and with the morning after pill, if implantation has already occurred it won't make a difference anyway. It can't un-implant an egg. It won't do any more damage than taking the BC pill while pregnant does, which happens to a lot of women who get pregnant on the pill and don't realize it and stop taking it until after they become pregnant.

As rosebud* said, in Texas at least, it is legal to get Plan B over the counter, as long as you are a female over the age of 18 with a valid form of ID.

The pharmacist has the right to morally say no, if they do not agree with the circumstances under which the person is getting Plan B, also it is not healthy for you to take it over and over again.

If I were a pharmacist, after COUNSELING the patient, I would sell them Plan B. I would not however if they repeatedly got it, because it could put their health in danger.

As rosebud* said, in Texas at least, it is legal to get Plan B over the counter, as long as you are a female over the age of 18 with a valid form of ID.

The pharmacist has the right to morally say no, if they do not agree with the circumstances under which the person is getting Plan B, also it is not healthy for you to take it over and over again.

If I were a pharmacist, after COUNSELING the patient, I would sell them Plan B. I would not however if they repeatedly got it, because it could put their health in danger.

:yes

I dont believe pharmacists should be able to tell me what I can and can not take. Its freaking America. I am over 18. Do your job and give me my medicine

I dont believe pharmacists should be able to tell me what I can and can not take. Its freaking America. I am over 18. Do your job and give me my medicine

Taking this to an extreme; say you took thirty morning after pills dispensed to you by a pharmacist at the same time in the State of Texas and you died.

The pharmacists license would be revoked for dispensing you all of these medications, and they would more than likely be put in jail.

Pharmacists, like doctor's have to make judgment calls. You're right, this is America. But they are paid to give you medical advice and use their best judgment while dispensing you medicine. They have the right to refuse service to anyone for this reason exactly.

Also, if it was against a pharmacists moral judgment not to give you the medication, I'm sure you could find a pharmacist out there who cares little enough to dispense you whatever it is you want. There are quack pharmacists just like their are quack doctors.

Pharmacists USUALLY don't say "Oh, I don't like you, I'm not going to let you have this." There is usually some logical reason standing behind it. Any good pharmacist always has the patient's health in their best interest.

Taking this to an extreme; say you took thirty morning after pills dispensed to you by a pharmacist at the same time in the State of Texas and you died.

The pharmacists license would be revoked for dispensing you all of these medications, and they would more than likely be put in jail.

Pharmacists, like doctor's have to make judgment calls. You're right, this is America. But they are paid to give you medical advice and use their best judgment while dispensing you medicine. They have the right to refuse service to anyone for this reason exactly.

yep plus they are supposed to counsel you about possible drug interactions and they've caught things my dr. missed about my bipolar meds and an antibiotic or whatever kwim?

If I chose that as my career then I better be able to dispense peoples medication to them. My morals have no business preventing someone else's medical care.

ita!! :yes

If I chose that as my career then I better be able to dispense peoples medication to them. My morals have no business preventing someone else's medical care.

Very well said. :clap for you.

Taking this to an extreme; say you took thirty morning after pills dispensed to you by a pharmacist at the same time in the State of Texas and you died.

The pharmacists license would be revoked for dispensing you all of these medications, and they would more than likely be put in jail.

Pharmacists, like doctor's have to make judgment calls. You're right, this is America. But they are paid to give you medical advice and use their best judgment while dispensing you medicine. They have the right to refuse service to anyone for this reason exactly.

Also, if it was against a pharmacists moral judgment not to give you the medication, I'm sure you could find a pharmacist out there who cares little enough to dispense you whatever it is you want. There are quack pharmacists just like their are quack doctors.

Not handing out a prescription because you are against someone ending a pregnancy is not the same thing as refusing to fill a prescription because the dosage seems wrong and could kill the patient. One is imposing your moral/religious beliefs on someone else, the other is not.

Taking this to an extreme; say you took thirty morning after pills dispensed to you by a pharmacist at the same time in the State of Texas and you died.

The pharmacists license would be revoked for dispensing you all of these medications, and they would more than likely be put in jail.

Pharmacists, like doctor's have to make judgment calls. You're right, this is America. But they are paid to give you medical advice and use their best judgment while dispensing you medicine. They have the right to refuse service to anyone for this reason exactly.

Also, if it was against a pharmacists moral judgment not to give you the medication, I'm sure you could find a pharmacist out there who cares little enough to dispense you whatever it is you want. There are quack pharmacists just like their are quack doctors.

If the pharmicist is dumb enough to give 30 pills to someone at the same time then he should lose his license. What about pharmacists that refuse to give out BC pills? Is it ok for them to refuse me the right to take BC? I dont believe so. My dr is paid to give me my medical advice. The pharmacist just needs to give me my medication

yep plus they are supposed to counsel you about possible drug interactions and they've caught things my dr. missed about my bipolar meds and an antibiotic or whatever kwim?

Catching a mistake like that is different. Telling me they are not giving me medicine because they dont morally agree with it is totally something else.

yep plus they are supposed to counsel you about possible drug interactions and they've caught things my dr. missed about my bipolar meds and an antibiotic or whatever kwim?

Yep! :)

At my work if there is a dangerous drug interaction the pharmacists will get the medication switched over to something safe for you to take to prevent health risks.

Taking this to an extreme; say you took thirty morning after pills dispensed to you by a pharmacist at the same time in the State of Texas and you died.

The pharmacists license would be revoked for dispensing you all of these medications, and they would more than likely be put in jail.

Pharmacists, like doctor's have to make judgment calls. You're right, this is America. But they are paid to give you medical advice and use their best judgment while dispensing you medicine. They have the right to refuse service to anyone for this reason exactly.

Also, if it was against a pharmacists moral judgment not to give you the medication, I'm sure you could find a pharmacist out there who cares little enough to dispense you whatever it is you want. There are quack pharmacists just like their are quack doctors.

Pharmacists USUALLY don't say "Oh, I don't like you, I'm not going to let you have this." There is usually some logical reason standing behind it. Any good pharmacist always has the patient's health in their best interest.

This is very true. A pharmacist and lose their license if the dr makes a mistake on a prescription and they dont catch it. Its not their job to just hand out whatever the dr writes, they have to check for interactions with all the medicines a person is already taking, and make sure the dose is not too much, or even too little to be effective.


But we're getting off topic....sorry :arg

Catching a mistake like that is different. Telling me they are not giving me medicine because they dont morally agree with it is totally something else.

yes but if they say no i'm not giving you this medication because it could interact poorly with x meds you are taking and you say just give me the damn meds and they do and you die your family can still sue. or you could just assume they aren't giving it to you because you think they don't agree with it morally.

all you's are general

But we're getting off topic....sorry :arg

With such an open ended, short question, this was bound to happen - and that's what makes a debate fun! I didn't view any of this as too far off topic, but with such a broad topic, it's hard not to. Don't beat yourself up over it :)

If the pharmicist is dumb enough to give 30 pills to someone at the same time then he should lose his license. What about pharmacists that refuse to give out BC pills? Is it ok for them to refuse me the right to take BC? I dont believe so. My dr is paid to give me my medical advice. The pharmacist just needs to give me my medication

Birth control and emergency contraception is somewhat like comparing apples and oranges.

Keep in mind, everything I am talking about pertains to the laws in the state of Texas, because that is all I'm educated enough to talk about.

In the state of Texas a pharmacist can not deny you purchase of birth control pills, because the prescription is written by a Doctor. As long as it is a valid prescription with nothing fishy it has to be filled.

Plan B on the other hand is sold OTC. The pharmacist has to make a judgment call. I don't think simply the fact that you're "18" and in "America" should make it okay to go buy Plan B every time you think you may be pregnant. Also, it's important that patients should be counseled before taking Plan B. There are side effects of the two pills that some patients may not know about.

All pharmacists and doctors have to take an ethical oath in order to practice medicine. I believe if a pharmacist thinks dispensing OTC Plan B to a patient is breaking their ethical oath they have the right to NOT sell it to someone.

Just in my humble opinion, I don't want an unethical, moral less robot giving me my prescriptions and taking care of my medical issues...

yes but if they say no i'm not giving you this medication because it could interact poorly with x meds you are taking and you say just give me the damn meds and they do and you die your family can still sue. or you could just assume they aren't giving it to you because you think they don't agree with it morally.

all you's are general

Now if the pharmacist honestly told me that the morning after pill would react horribly or fatally with another med I was on thats different. To not give it to me because you dont agree with the pills purpose is what I see is wrong

Birth control and emergency contraception is somewhat like comparing apples and oranges.

Keep in mind, everything I am talking about pertains to the laws in the state of Texas, because that is all I'm educated enough to talk about.

In the state of Texas a pharmacist can not deny you purchase of birth control pills, because the prescription is written by a Doctor. As long as it is a valid prescription with nothing fishy it has to be filled.

Plan B on the other hand is sold OTC. The pharmacist has to make a judgment call. I don't think simply the fact that you're "18" and in "America" should make it okay to go buy Plan B every time you think you may be pregnant. Also, it's important that patients should be counseled before taking Plan B. There are side effects of the two pills that some patients may not know about.

All pharmacists and doctors have to take an ethical oath in order to practice medicine. I believe if a pharmacist thinks dispensing OTC Plan B to a patient is breaking their ethical oath they have the right to NOT sell it to someone.

Just in my humble opinion, I don't want an unethical, moral less robot giving me my prescriptions and taking care of my medical issues...


I dont know the ethical oath. Does it say in there that if the pharmacist doesnt morally agree with a medicines purpose they are allowed to refuse it?

i think it is an easy cop out. DON'T HAVE SEX!!!

I think the ER should be allowed to give it to rape victums ONLY, thats how i feel

I dont know the ethical oath. Does it say in there that if the pharmacist doesnt morally agree with a medicines purpose they are allowed to refuse it?

As far as things go at my work, a pharmacist has the right to morally refuse dispensing medication to a patient as long as they recommend another pharmacy that that patient can go to to get their prescription filled. So, to answer your question, as far as I'm aware, yes. :)

i think it is an easy cop out. DON'T HAVE SEX!!!

I think the ER should be allowed to give it to rape victums ONLY, thats how i feel

i am on your end of the spectrum

i am on your end of the spectrum

Me too, but I'm pretty sure that's been made blatantly obvious.

As far as things go at my work, a pharmacist has the right to morally refuse dispensing medication to a patient as long as they recommend another pharmacy that that patient can go to to get their prescription filled. So, to answer your question, as far as I'm aware, yes. :)

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i think it is an easy cop out. DON'T HAVE SEX!!!

I think the ER should be allowed to give it to rape victums ONLY, thats how i feel

i agree...

i think it is an easy cop out. DON'T HAVE SEX!!!

I think the ER should be allowed to give it to rape victums ONLY, thats how i feel

I think that it's a little more complicated than that. What about when you find out afterwards that the condom broke? What

And who is to decide what case is deemed worthy or not.. or deemed rape or not? Wouldn't every girl just start calling "rape" to get the drug then? Can you, as a doctor, tell a woman that you don't think she was raped?

I think if a woman goes in to get this medication, then she should get it. Who are we to decide what is too many times, what is rape, what is appropriate or another woman's body?

i think it is an easy cop out. DON'T HAVE SEX!!!

I think the ER should be allowed to give it to rape victums ONLY, thats how i feel

Then lets not prescribe birth control either. I mean its an easy cop out right? Its essentially the same thing? So maybe no more birth control should ever be prescribed and people should just not have sex. Not likely to happen.

Not everyone whom takes the morning after pill is irresponsible. Some people whom take it are married, cautious and the like. Not everyone who goes in for it are young, not protecting themselves etc.

If someone going in to the get the morning after pill prevents even ONE person from carrying an unwanted baby and killing it, dumping it or whatever after birth, then I am all for that

Does this mean I can put my post back up?

Then lets not prescribe birth control either. I mean its an easy cop out right? Its essentially the same thing? So maybe no more birth control should ever be prescribed and people should just not have sex. Not likely to happen.

Not everyone whom takes the morning after pill is irresponsible. Some people whom take it are married, cautious and the like. Not everyone who goes in for it are young, not protecting themselves etc.

If someone going in to the get the morning after pill prevents even ONE person from carrying an unwanted baby and killing it, dumping it or whatever after birth, then I am all for that

I totally absolutely agree with you.

Does this mean I can put my post back up?


please do

please do

Hooray! (Thanks for the source material :)

How about we stop treating pregnancy like a negative side affect of sex? People use as much protection against pregnancies as they do against AIDS. If you don't want to run the risk of getting pregnant, don't have sex with a partner capable of doing JUST THAT. Heavy petting can even be a quite effective sexual release when in the right hands - pun intended.

The question one would have to answer about the morning after pill is simple: When does life START? The answer, obviously, is much more elusive. Sexually active women who don't use protection actually pass several fertilized eggs during her period. So, hopefully, life doesn't start at fertilization. Even if the fertilized egg attaches, the odds are still severly against it as the body is prone to reject it, often self-aborting it and passing it during a period (which is why some sexually active women experience pregnancy-like symptoms just before or after a period). So, hopefully, life doesn't start after attachment.

If the medicine doesn't allow the egg to implant, isn't this technically a medicinally-induced abortion?

How about we stop making peoples decisions for them? People fuck up. I still do not believe a pharmacist should have the right to refuse to dispense medication just because he or she morally disapproves

I'm pro choice ,so I wouldn't have a problem with it. Its not really my place to tell someone what is right or wrong!

I think that it's a little more complicated than that. What about when you find out afterwards that the condom broke? What

And who is to decide what case is deemed worthy or not.. or deemed rape or not? Wouldn't every girl just start calling "rape" to get the drug then? Can you, as a doctor, tell a woman that you don't think she was raped?

I think if a woman goes in to get this medication, then she should get it. Who are we to decide what is too many times, what is rape, what is appropriate or another woman's body?

good points :thumbsup I would rather know that a person is being responsible by not bringing a child into the world that they aren't financially or emotionally prepared for. deciding to have a child isn't a whim.

Knowing something of the fanatical zealots who believe in intrusive social etiquette, I can tell you that someone selling the morning after pill is viewed as equally as watching someone kill an infant. Their view is that if you can stop a child from being killed, you are obligated to do so or suffer the wrath. THIS is why some people are so adamantly against any type of birth control. Life is cherished, regardless of the circumstances - even if the woman was raped. When this happened in my hometown (on more than one instance, in more than one denomination), the pastor would tell the congregation to pray for her during "her difficult time of God's plan".

Birth control and emergency contraception is somewhat like comparing apples and oranges.

not really. take a couple packs of BC and you have yourself some "homemade" EC....

I think that it's a little more complicated than that. What about when you find out afterwards that the condom broke? What

And who is to decide what case is deemed worthy or not.. or deemed rape or not? Wouldn't every girl just start calling "rape" to get the drug then? Can you, as a doctor, tell a woman that you don't think she was raped?

I think if a woman goes in to get this medication, then she should get it. Who are we to decide what is too many times, what is rape, what is appropriate or another woman's body?

I totally agree, trey!!


I think it should be available OTC by EVERY pharmacy in this country. If a pharmacist does not want to give medicine, they shouldnt be one.

I mean honestly, what if someone needed meds for depression and the pharmacist didnt "believe" in lifestyle drugs?

hate to sound like a lobbyisty.... but man this is a slippery slope

not really. take a couple packs of BC and you have yourself some "homemade" EC....



I totally agree, trey!!


I think it should be available OTC by EVERY pharmacy in this country. If a pharmacist does not want to give medicine, they shouldnt be one.

I mean honestly, what if someone needed meds for depression and the pharmacist didnt "believe" in lifestyle drugs?

hate to sound like a lobbyisty.... but man this is a slippery slope

I agree Ash. What if the pharmacist is a Scientologist and refused to give depression meds?

not really. take a couple packs of BC and you have yourself some "homemade" EC....


exactly. this has been an off-label use of ordinary birth control pills that OBGYNs have condoned for some time. so, if a women faces a pharmacist who won't hand over some PlanB she can talk to her OBGYN or do a little research on her own; and improvise.

i dont think a pharmasist should have any say in whats wrong or right for a person like that...
if you chose that profession.suck it up and give the people the meds they asked for.thats their JOB.

i cant go on BC so dh and i have to use condoms if one broke i would deff. go for the morning after pill. i dont want children yet.i am not emotionally/mentally/finacially ready for children.but that would mean i was coppin out right?

and if your against it.why does it matter? :dunno its not your body.its not your life.so just dont do it.geez.

I dont mean to sound bitchy so please dont think i am o.o. sorry if comes off as that.

I agree Ash. What if the pharmacist is a Scientologist and refused to give depression meds?
ok seriously stop reading my thoughts.. I was just mentioning this to dh..

ok seriously stop reading my thoughts.. I was just mentioning this to dh..

lol........sorry

valid point.. thanks for mentioning it.. i'll just take the credit.. :lol.. just kidding.

valid point.. thanks for mentioning it.. i'll just take the credit.. :lol.. just kidding.



lol. It just popped into my head.

If they can morally refuse to give medications where does it end?

lol. It just popped into my head.

If they can morally refuse to give medications where does it end?

exactly.. just like you leave your personal bullshit at home, you leave your personal beliefs at the door.. now if you own the pharmacy that is a different story, because it's your business you have that right.. but if you are working for a chain pharmacy, you are not your own boss, you have an obligation to perform your job no matter what.

exactly.. just like you leave your personal bullshit at home, you leave your personal beliefs at the door.. now if you own the pharmacy that is a different story, because it's your business you have that right.. but if you are working for a chain pharmacy, you are not your own boss, you have an obligation to perform your job no matter what.

I agree. Its not up to the pharmacist to decide what I put into my body.

exactly.. just like you leave your personal bullshit at home, you leave your personal beliefs at the door.. now if you own the pharmacy that is a different story, because it's your business you have that right.. but if you are working for a chain pharmacy, you are not your own boss, you have an obligation to perform your job no matter what.

i dont think a mom and pop pharmacy should have any right to refuse the chains do not have.

Pharmacists are certified and regulated by the gov't. No matter who you work for it is the same set of rules, as it should be.

Just wanted to post the Pharmacist's Code Of Ethics.

Oath of a Pharmacist
At this time, I vow to devote my professional life to the service of all humankind through the profession of pharmacy.

I will consider the welfare of humanity and relief of human suffering my primary concerns.

I will apply my knowledge, experience, and skills to the best of my ability to assure optimal drug therapy outcomes for the patients I serve.

I will keep abreast of developments and maintain professional competency in my profession of pharmacy.

I will maintain the highest principles of moral, ethical, and legal conduct.

I will embrace and advocate change in the profession of pharmacy that improves patient care.

I take these vows voluntarily with the full realization of the responsibility with which I am entrusted by the public.

Developed by the American Pharmaceutical Association Academy of Students of Pharmacy/American Association of Colleges of Pharmacy Council of Deans (APhA-ASP/AACP-COD) Task Force on Professionalism; June 26, 1994
http://www.aacp.org/site/tertiary.asp?CID=290&DID=4339

Well there's already a shortage of pharmacists so if every pharmacist who refuses to dispense the abortion pill and plan B were to go get another profession, you'd have to wait a lot longer than 2 hours for the pharmacy to dispense your kid's antibiotics.

i think it is an easy cop out. DON'T HAVE SEX!!!

I think the ER should be allowed to give it to rape victums ONLY, thats how i feel


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I personally would give it out as it is not abortion its a form of pregnancy blocker so no moral or ethic conflict for me

I dont see a problem giving it out with exceptions. Rape victim, finding out condom broke, a once in a while mistake, hopefully learned from. Etc. I dont believe it should be repetitive.
However, I dont want to see anymore children being dumped into rivers, or wrapped in trashbags etc etc. Its difficult because I have a "friend" who "abuses" the morning after pill. She doesnt like condoms and wont use BD (dont ask IDK, Ive tried to help) and let me tell you she has frequent "visits" with lots of men. So she gets the morning after pill often as another form of BC and That I am not ok with.

Maybe they should have it like a sudafed. You can only get so much of it. Like so many times allowed ? KWIM?