Like a lot of people, I have a job.
I work, they pay me.
I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as they see fit.
In order to get that paycheck, I am required to pass a random urine test, which I have no problem with.
What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test.
Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a welfare check, because I have to pass one to earn it for them?

Please understand, I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do, on the other hand, have a problem with helping someone sit on their ass.
Can you imagine how much money this country would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a public assistance check?

*I got this as a myspace bulletin and wondered what others thought*

Sounds good to me

sounds good to me. i think that you should be able to pass a urine test for drugs/illegal substances before you can get state aid

I do agree. But I also don't think pot should be illegal, so I don't really have a problem with people smoking it (I don't personally smoke it.) Is it hypocritical of me to not mind if my friends smoke pot but think welfare recepients should refrain? Maybe, but it's more that I think their money should be going to necessities and pot is a luxury IMO.

Yes I agress 100%!!!

that's fine with me! and you should speak at least a few words of english.... :mumble

i work at a grocery store and people who don't speak english pay with foodstamps and WIC.

i get aggitated

I do agree. But I also don't think pot should be illegal, so I don't really have a problem with people smoking it (I don't personally smoke it.) Is it hypocritical of me to not mind if my friends smoke pot but think welfare recepients should refrain? Maybe, but it's more that I think their money should be going to necessities and pot is a luxury IMO.

until pot is legal most jobs won't allow you to have a job because you are a liability to the corporation

Yes.

They have to pass a urine test for the place they work at? I do too, and if I didn't like it-I wouldn't choose to work there. I don't know..

But yes I've always believed that people who are recieving state assistance should pass a urine test. I know many people who recieve help and they do not do drugs, I'm sure most don't do drugs. However, my mother has recieved help in the past and she was on drugs. I wish that someone was making her have a urine test during that rough spot.

until pot is legal most jobs won't allow you to have a job because you are a liability to the corporation

My friends are (mostly) all gainfully employed or students. If they're not worried about it, I'm not worried about them.

It's no secret that there are flaws in the system and it needs work.

The people who are on welfare - are they really using it how they should be?! I know 2 families that aren't. Both of them have cheated the system and are getting away with it. I didn't think welfare checks bought a brand new vehicle. That being said, I think there needs to be follow-ups to make sure the money is being spent appropriately. If that's done, urine tests aren't necessary, but could be used as a way to make sure the money is being used how it should be.

I believe Michigan has been doing it since 2003...

It's no secret that there are flaws in the system and it needs work.

The people who are on welfare - are they really using it how they should be?! I know 2 families that aren't. Both of them have cheated the system and are getting away with it. I didn't think welfare checks bought a brand new vehicle. That being said, I think there needs to be follow-ups to make sure the money is being spent appropriately. If that's done, urine tests aren't necessary, but could be used as a way to make sure the money is being used how it should be.

i know what you mean.

i had a customer pay for a big birthday cake and all sorts of stuff for a birthday party with foodstamps. that is supposed to be for your everyday NEEDS not WANTS. i've also had customers pay for a soda and a candy bar with fs. it's just annoying.

My friends are (mostly) all gainfully employed or students. If they're not worried about it, I'm not worried about them.

well i know that even at fast food restaurants you've got to take a piss test and if you fail it you don't get the job.

well i know that even at fast food restaurants you've got to take a piss test and if you fail it you don't get the job.

Well somehow my friends all found companies willing to hire them. I don't think it's that hard to find a company that doesn't require drug tests, I'm 26 and I've never taken a drug test for purposes of employment in my life.

Well somehow my friends all found companies willing to hire them. I don't think it's that hard to find a company that doesn't require drug tests, I'm 26 and I've never taken a drug test for purposes of employment in my life.

in my experience then

Agreed, I think anyone receiving assistance should be required to pass a drug test. If they don't pass a drug test, refer them to a drug treatment program.

WOW...good point. I actually think that is a fantastic idea.

i know what you mean.

i had a customer pay for a big birthday cake and all sorts of stuff for a birthday party with foodstamps. that is supposed to be for your everyday NEEDS not WANTS. i've also had customers pay for a soda and a candy bar with fs. it's just annoying.

Ok maybe I'm reading this wrong but don't you think that children of families recieving FS deserve to have a birthday party too?

well i know that even at fast food restaurants you've got to take a piss test and if you fail it you don't get the job.

Not in WV. Just about half of the fast food workforce in my county are on drugs. I worked at McDonalds for 2 yrs and I saw a lot of users working there.
I agree that you should be able to pass a drug test to recieve assistance though.

Ok maybe I'm reading this wrong but don't you think that children of families recieving FS deserve to have a birthday party too?

Truly... I mean, getting pissed about T-Bones or Lobster but a birthday cake?? Have a heart dude...:no

Ok maybe I'm reading this wrong but don't you think that children of families recieving FS deserve to have a birthday party too?

I don't think she meant they didn't deserve a birthday party just because they're on food stamps. Sometimes it's hard to tell if the people are blowing it, whether they need it or not. They're could be other things they might need more than a cake, KWIM?

It's like the people that fill up a bunch of carts at walmart, pay with food stamps, then drive away in a $50,000 vehicle.

I don't think she meant they didn't deserve a birthday party just because they're on food stamps. Sometimes it's hard to tell if the people are blowing it, whether they need it or not. They're could be other things they might need more than a cake, KWIM?

It's like the people that fill up a bunch of carts at walmart, pay with food stamps, then drive away in a $50,000 vehicle.

It's all in how you spend it. I know personally that it is possible to be frugal with your FS meet your family's needs and still have enough left over for a birthday party. You just have to be careful, shop at stores that aren't expensive, buy store brand etc. I know that people abuse them but celebrating a special birthday isn't quite the same as blowing a whole month's FS on your superbowl party or something like that.

It's no secret that there are flaws in the system and it needs work.

The people who are on welfare - are they really using it how they should be?! I know 2 families that aren't. Both of them have cheated the system and are getting away with it. I didn't think welfare checks bought a brand new vehicle. That being said, I think there needs to be follow-ups to make sure the money is being spent appropriately. If that's done, urine tests aren't necessary, but could be used as a way to make sure the money is being used how it should be.

Have you called & reported them to the proper agency? I hear that all the time most people have that one person they know that abuses the system yet they don't do any thing about it. Except use them as examples in debates about welfare.

No, I do not think you should do routine/random urine tests in order to get state aid. Many people that are on aid work a full time job as well. That job already required testing in order to be hired. People that are on aid ALSO pay taxes. If they are employed they pay those taxes, not to mention sales tax, property tax if they are home owners etc.

It is the stereotypical image of someone just sitting on their ass abusing the system. 95% of the people receiving SOME form of aid (from WIC to Student grants, etc) are NOT abusing the system. Yet they should all be made to suffer & be looked down on because of the small percentage that does. Sorry I don't think that is right.

Besides what are you going to test for (many drugs don't show in the urine after a few days, so are they going to take hair samples & blood), why stop @ random/routine drug testing. Why not invade their lives even more with pregnancy tests, (they are already peeing in a cup right?) how about a breathalyzer test each visit too. (some jobs require a drug test along with a breath test after all) All of which cost money, some of the tests are quite costly. So the taxpayers are going to pay even more.

The big thing is who will this hurt? The grown up getting randomly tested OR the child/ren that will lose the food the food stamps bought, the free school lunch, the medicaid, etc? I don't support ANYTHING that will make a child's life even WORSE then it already may be. They after all did not ASK to be born yet here they are & I strongly feel that it is societies DUTY to protect the children & the elderly. They are the ones that get hurt, & they are the ones that have no voice.

Ok maybe I'm reading this wrong but don't you think that children of families recieving FS deserve to have a birthday party too?

Sorry, but I had to live on food stamps for a few months after my Daughter Father's passing. I was happy to have food stamps to buy my daughter a birthday cake. I ON THE OTHER HAND, didnt abuse the system, I used it for a fw months until I gained financial ground. I then went back to WORK. It DOES make me mad when people abuse the system. I know my money is paying for it.

On the original subject, YES, People should be required a drug test before recieving ANY financial aid from the government. Tax payers money should'nt be going to support someones crack habit.:no

Have you called & reported them to the proper agency? I hear that all the time most people have that one person they know that abuses the system yet they don't do any thing about it. Except use them as examples in debates about welfare.

No, I do not think you should do routine/random urine tests in order to get state aid. Many people that are on aid work a full time job as well. That job already required testing in order to be hired. People that are on aid ALSO pay taxes. If they are employed they pay those taxes, not to mention sales tax, property tax if they are home owners etc.

It is the stereotypical image of someone just sitting on their ass abusing the system. 95% of the people receiving SOME form of aid (from WIC to Student grants, etc) are NOT abusing the system. Yet they should all be made to suffer & be looked down on because of the small percentage that does. Sorry I don't think that is right.

Besides what are you going to test for (many drugs don't show in the urine after a few days, so are they going to take hair samples & blood), why stop @ random/routine drug testing. Why not invade their lives even more with pregnancy tests, (they are already peeing in a cup right?) how about a breathalyzer test each visit too. (some jobs require a drug test along with a breath test after all) All of which cost money, some of the tests are quite costly. So the taxpayers are going to pay even more.

The big thing is who will this hurt? The grown up getting randomly tested OR the child/ren that will lose the food the food stamps bought, the free school lunch, the medicaid, etc? I don't support ANYTHING that will make a child's life even WORSE then it already may be. They after all did not ASK to be born yet here they are & I strongly feel that it is societies DUTY to protect the children & the elderly. They are the ones that get hurt, & they are the ones that have no voice.

No, it was never reported. We never had actual proof that they were abusing the system. We didn't know what they actually said on their applications, so we don't know what exactly they received, but with the things they got, it's a little out there that they should have received aid to begin with. Plus, it was over a year ago, I have no idea if they still get anything or not.

I see what you're saying about everything else tho. There are people that need assistance and use it how they should be. It's a shame they are part of the image that's put out there. There's always going to be people that have ruin the good things - those people make the ones that need it suffer. I wish there was a way to weed out the bad ones, yet still help the ones that actually need it. Sadly, someone is always going to be suffering.

I completely agree with the OP. :yes Someone should put that into motion.

I think it's completely fair. We should have some say in how our money is spent, and I don't want any of it spent on drugs by anyone.

HOW does a person use state aid to purchase drugs? Just curious.

Technically the way that it is set up.....the money provided can ONLY go towards needed items......and even certain items are kicked back. I remember when I worked at a grocery store, certain items would kick out had to be paid for with cash. It insures that ANY money given by a taxpayer will goes to food and or necessities:yes

Alcohol can be just as abused as drugs can and there is no test for that. I just don't agree with making children suffer because they may have an addicted parent, so I'm going to have to say nope to doing drug testing.

I think pot should be made legal anyway:yes

that's fine with me! and you should speak at least a few words of english.... :mumble

i work at a grocery store and people who don't speak english pay with foodstamps and WIC.

i get aggitated

Why should they speak english? we have no official language, being hispanic doesnt make them any less of a citizen. That is racism and ignorance at it's finest.

Ok maybe I'm reading this wrong but don't you think that children of families recieving FS deserve to have a birthday party too?

ITA! I think if the family makes it so they can have a small party for their kid, then GO FOR IT... those kids deserve everything they can get to make life a little better.


Technically the way that it is set up.....the money provided can ONLY go towards needed items......and even certain items are kicked back. I remember when I worked at a grocery store, certain items would kick out had to be paid for with cash. It insures that ANY money given by a taxpayer will goes to food and or necessities:yes

Alcohol can be just as abused as drugs can and there is no test for that. I just don't agree with making children suffer because they may have an addicted parent, so I'm going to have to say nope to doing drug testing.

I think pot should be made legal anyway:yes


They can still buy things like seafood, steaks, etc. But I am okay with that, when it is gone, it is gone.

Agree definitely with the second point, most state aid is received based on having children, their parent doing drugs is bad enough, why should they have to starve to death too?

And ditto about pot.

HOW does a person use state aid to purchase drugs? Just curious.

In our state a monthy "check" is deposited onto a special debit card or clients have the option of getting it direct deposited to their checking account. This is NOT the same as FS. The money can be withdrawn from an ATM using the card allowing the client to have cash in hand that can easily be used to purchase drugs. On a side note. I found out after the fact (after our separation) that when we were receiving assistance my ex would allow his dealers to use our FS card to purchase food for their family in exchange for drugs!:biting:banghead:censored:vent I was livid. I thought he was buying food for his lunch at work.

In FL they have whats called AFDC... You get a debit (like) card everymonth with the selected amount of money on it. You go to a normal ATM and withdrawl. Thats how they purchase drugs. My EX SIL used to recieve it.

Well I believe that the people using it to pay for drugs are in the minority. I still feel that taking the benefits away would do more hurt to the children stuck in that situation then good.

I also feel pot should be legal.

Again those of you that knew a relative was using state aid to pay for drugs did you turn them in?

Again those of you that knew a relative was using state aid to pay for drugs did you turn them in?

Well in my case I didn't because my children would have suffered if our aid had been revoked. I did kick his ass out of the house though and that took care of the problem.

Well in my case I didn't because my children would have suffered if our aid had been revoked. I did kick his ass out of the house though and that took care of the problem.

Your example is the reason I am against the drug testing BTW. It would of hurt your children had they tested you & your spouse. (because your spouse was using) ((hugs))

Ok maybe I'm reading this wrong but don't you think that children of families recieving FS deserve to have a birthday party too?

yes they do. but my family wouldn't be able to afford anything like what they were getting. we are average middle class people, who in my opinion, have it the hardest. it's just annoying because it's a WANT not a NEED. they could have settled for a sara lee cake like we did when i was kid. 3$ is a lot better than 50$.

yes they do. but my family wouldn't be able to afford anything like what they were getting. we are average middle class people, who in my opinion, have it the hardest. it's just annoying because it's a WANT not a NEED. they could have settled for a sara lee cake like we did when i was kid. 3$ is a lot better than 50$.

OK I completely understand. I would never spend that much on a cake. I just wasn't sure what you meant exactly.

Why should they speak english? we have no official language, being hispanic doesnt make them any less of a citizen. That is racism and ignorance at it's finest.

i'm not racist. and i'm not ignorant. they should speak english because i'm struggling to learn spanish for them. if i go to their country, i would make an effort to learn simple phrases, while the "migrant workers" here in williston (peanut capital of the world) don't make the effort at all. it's just annoying. it's my opinion; i'm not asking you to agree.

I fully agree with you.

For the record I recieved welfare for 3 months after my ex husband left me.

I think this is a brilliant idea.

On a side note, I am all for helping people get on their feet and getting assistance when it is needed. However, I am totally against the abusing the system by popping out kid after kid after kid just to live on the system. My beliefs on this is why I refused to work for Job and Family Services. If you don't have a mental or physical disability, get out and get a damn job like everyone else. If you still need help after working, then so be it, but dammit, try and be self sufficient.

I think this is a brilliant idea.

On a side note, I am all for helping people get on their feet and getting assistance when it is needed. However, I am totally against the abusing the system by popping out kid after kid after kid just to live on the system. My beliefs on this is why I refused to work for Job and Family Services. If you don't have a mental or physical disability, get out and get a damn job like everyone else. If you still need help after working, then so be it, but dammit, try and be self sufficient.

Most of them do. Again this is the urban myth the stereotypical welfare mom. It is not the norm or even the average family on state aid. Which again can mean anything from WIC to Student Grants.

How many military families are on WIC? For example just in the formula SAMPLE debate many where saying how they struggle to afford formula. That with out the samples they would not of made it every month. So should all of them have routine drug testing at the WIC office? Because if you are on WIC you are on government aid.

General yous not pointing fingers at anyone.

I have never thought about it this way. I agree with it though. Why pay druggies money to get more. I am by no means saying all people on assistance are druggies. I am refferring to the ones who are druggies.

:thumbsup Get the cups out and find the labs!!!!

Most of them do. Again this is the urban myth the stereotypical welfare mom. It is not the norm or even the average family on state aid. Which again can mean anything from WIC to Student Grants.

How many military families are on WIC? For example just in the formula SAMPLE debate many where saying how they struggle to afford formula. That with out the samples they would not of made it every month. So should all of them have routine drug testing at the WIC office? Because if you are on WIC you are on government aid.

General yous not pointing fingers at anyone.

Getting things like WIC and FS etc to SUPPLEMENT is one thing, but using it because you are too lazy to get out and get a job to TRY and afford things is a different story. I think that if the taxpayers are paying for it, then everyone receiving the assistance should be tested.

On a side note, I do receive assistance, but I also bust my ass at work, and even when it's all said and done, I still don't have enough at the end of the month to afford it all. I wouldn't have a single problem being drug tested cause at least I know my conscience is clear, along with the drug test, and that I am not ripping off the taxpayers by going out and using THEIR hard-earned money to get my high.

ETA: I live in a county where it is not out of the ordinary to see a woman with 4 kids, pregnant with another, no high school education, no job etc sitting at the welfare office getting everything she can. (This is how my ex best friend is.)

Getting things like WIC and FS etc to SUPPLEMENT is one thing, but using it because you are too lazy to get out and get a job to TRY and afford things is a different story. I think that if the taxpayers are paying for it, then everyone receiving the assistance should be tested.

On a side note, I do receive assistance, but I also bust my ass at work, and even when it's all said and done, I still don't have enough at the end of the month to afford it all. I wouldn't have a single problem being drug tested cause at least I know my conscience is clear, along with the drug test, and that I am not ripping off the taxpayers by going out and using THEIR hard-earned money to get my high.

ETA: I live in a county where it is not out of the ordinary to see a woman with 4 kids, pregnant with another, no high school education, no job etc sitting at the welfare office getting everything she can. (This is how my ex best friend is.)
:agree

You are the average person on assistance, the drug using spitting out babies to get more money is not. Most people getting help are working a full time job, most are honest people.

If I was getting aid I absolutely would not like being treated like a criminal even though I KNOW I am not. I do not like anything that assumes guilt until innocence is proven. Just because you are having hard times does not mean you are entitled to less privacy or that you should have to jump through even more hoops to get aid.

I know how awful I was treated when I just went into DES to ask a question, it was dehumanizing beyond belief. Then to be informed that the only way I could get the help I was asking about was to have a DR sign a letter saying I was incapable of caring for my children WHICH was not the help I wanted.

That would of made my life & my children's lives WORSE because then we would have random checks by CPS. JUST because I have a mental health issue & a VA program is sending me to school full time I wanted to know if we could get childcare assistance. Not to mention wasting the CPS peoples time because my children are cared for very well. When I told her no thank you only an idiot would sign ANYTHING saying she could not care for my children they looked at me like I had two heads.

I did not appreciate being treated like a scammer by those women when I was not trying to scam anyone. I am however trying to better myself & my family by going to school. I have paid taxes, I have worked until I was told I no longer could. If they had wanted my urine & blood on top of their attitude well it would of been just one more way of telling me that I was less then worthy. Why should people be treated that way? It's not right at all.

You are the average person on assistance, the drug using spitting out babies to get more money is not. Most people getting help are working a full time job, most are honest people.

If I was getting aid I absolutely would not like being treated like a criminal even though I KNOW I am not. I do not like anything that assumes guilt until innocence is proven. Just because you are having hard times does not mean you are entitled to less privacy or that you should have to jump through even more hoops to get aid.

I know how awful I was treated when I just went into DES to ask a question, it was dehumanizing beyond belief. Then to be informed that the only way I could get the help I was asking about was to have a DR sign a letter saying I was incapable of caring for my children WHICH was not the help I wanted.

That would of made my life & my children's lives WORSE because then we would have random checks by CPS. JUST because I have a mental health issue & a VA program is sending me to school full time I wanted to know if we could get childcare assistance. Not to mention wasting the CPS peoples time because my children are cared for very well. When I told her no thank you only an idiot would sign ANYTHING saying she could not care for my children they looked at me like I had two heads.

I did not appreciate being treated like a scammer by those women when I was not trying to scam anyone. I am however trying to better myself & my family by going to school. I have paid taxes, I have worked until I was told I no longer could. If they had wanted my urine & blood on top of their attitude well it would of been just one more way of telling me that I was less then worthy. Why should people be treated that way? It's not right at all.

Where I live, there are more of those than the hardworking.

The way I look at it, I don't want to be paying for someone else's drug habit with my tax money. That's not why I pay taxes.

As for them treating you like scum, most of the case workers are like that. You have to go in there tell them that you don't deserve to be treated like a bottom feeder and that you do have a job.

I can't count how many times I went into the welfare office and they talked down to me and finally I told them that they were incompetent fools and I know how the system works because I have a social work degree and have studied the system. Talk about getting respect. That did it for me.

Also more of our tax dollars would be going to drug testing (which would have to be ongoing, right?) IMO it's just an added expense that would take away from a system that is already overwhelmed.

Also more of our tax dollars would be going to drug testing (which would have to be ongoing, right?) IMO it's just an added expense that would take away from a system that is already overwhelmed.


Yes, but it would eliminate the ones who are drug abusers. Which in turn would save money. A drug test is not as expensive as a user who continues to abuse the system.

Also more of our tax dollars would be going to drug testing (which would have to be ongoing, right?) IMO it's just an added expense that would take away from a system that is already overwhelmed.
Its an added expense that would cut out alot of further-- un nessasary expenses. Like supporting someones drug habit. Im sure the numbers would be remarkable if they ever did start this.

The amount of money that would go into drug testin-- would not compare to the money that would be saved by revoking someones public assistance for illegal drug use.

If people feel as though their privacy is being invaded, they need to take a step back and realize THEY are the ones requesting the aid. Whatever stipulations(sp?) go along with that are just going to have to be tolerated.

For the record-- as I stated earlier, Ive been on different types of assistance, dealt with nasty social workers, and expirienced this. I would be thankful to have my privacy invaded to know my hard earned money is not going to someones bad habits. :)

Its an added expense that would cut out alot of further-- un nessasary expenses. Like supporting someones drug habit. Im sure the numbers would be remarkable if they ever did start this.

The amount of money that would go into drug testin-- would not compare to the money that would be saved by revoking someones public assistance for illegal drug use.

If people feel as though their privacy is being invaded, they need to take a step back and realize THEY are the ones requesting the aid. Whatever stipulations(sp?) go along with that are just going to have to be tolerated.

For the record-- as I stated earlier, Ive been on different types of assistance, dealt with nasty social workers, and expirienced this. I would be thankful to have my privacy invaded to know my hard earned money is not going to someones bad habits. :)

Very well said. :yes

Very well said. :yes
Thank you :)

Thank you :)
YW:)

The big thing is who will this hurt? The grown up getting randomly tested OR the child/ren that will lose the food the food stamps bought, the free school lunch, the medicaid, etc? I don't support ANYTHING that will make a child's life even WORSE then it already may be. They after all did not ASK to be born yet here they are & I strongly feel that it is societies DUTY to protect the children & the elderly. They are the ones that get hurt, & they are the ones that have no voice.

:thumbsup Very well said.

Its an added expense that would cut out alot of further-- un nessasary expenses. Like supporting someones drug habit. Im sure the numbers would be remarkable if they ever did start this.

The amount of money that would go into drug testin-- would not compare to the money that would be saved by revoking someones public assistance for illegal drug use.

If people feel as though their privacy is being invaded, they need to take a step back and realize THEY are the ones requesting the aid. Whatever stipulations(sp?) go along with that are just going to have to be tolerated.

For the record-- as I stated earlier, Ive been on different types of assistance, dealt with nasty social workers, and expirienced this. I would be thankful to have my privacy invaded to know my hard earned money is not going to someones bad habits. :)

i think i (L) you lol

i'm not racist. and i'm not ignorant. they should speak english because i'm struggling to learn spanish for them. if i go to their country, i would make an effort to learn simple phrases, while the "migrant workers" here in williston (peanut capital of the world) don't make the effort at all. it's just annoying. it's my opinion; i'm not asking you to agree.

That is fine, btu do you truly believe people should have to learn a language, that isnt even a national language, in order to feed their kids?

I think this is a brilliant idea.

On a side note, I am all for helping people get on their feet and getting assistance when it is needed. However, I am totally against the abusing the system by popping out kid after kid after kid just to live on the system. My beliefs on this is why I refused to work for Job and Family Services. If you don't have a mental or physical disability, get out and get a damn job like everyone else. If you still need help after working, then so be it, but dammit, try and be self sufficient.

Typically, the only benefits that increase with family size are food stamps, and it is not as if they are eating all that well on food stamps. In MD, cash assistance is given to mother for 12 months for free, that is it. Then they have to take job and budget classes and FIND A JOB.

I think it is so wrong to assume you know what is going on with people who get assistance.

My Dad was on unemployment for a few months last year. We all drive nice cars, still went on vacation, etc. I am sure an outsider might say we used the system, but welfare can be used to maintain a sense of normalcy in a family for a bit between jobs. Trust me we are not poor, not everyone receiving different types of assistance are.

That is fine, btu do you truly believe people should have to learn a language, that isnt even a national language, in order to feed their kids?



Typically, the only benefits that increase with family size are food stamps, and it is not as if they are eating all that well on food stamps. In MD, cash assistance is given to mother for 12 months for free, that is it. Then they have to take job and budget classes and FIND A JOB.

I think it is so wrong to assume you know what is going on with people who get assistance.

My Dad was on unemployment for a few months last year. We all drive nice cars, still went on vacation, etc. I am sure an outsider might say we used the system, but welfare can be used to maintain a sense of normalcy in a family for a bit between jobs. Trust me we are not poor, not everyone receiving different types of assistance are.

I don't begin to assume what is going on with those people, but I think you need to read some of my latter posts. I said I am on assistance, but I also bust my ass to get my assistance.

Where I live, the women popping out child after child after child is a reality. Come take a look at Clark and Champaign counties here in Ohio. You will see exactly what I am talking about. And yes, here, the more kids you have, the more money they give you on your welfare check. They have tried that 3 year maximum lifetime for benefits, and guess what?? It's failed. My ex best friend has been on welfare for 9 years. She's fully capable of getting a job, she just refuses to. I know quite a few other women who are doing this as well.

Receiving unemployment is a completely different scope. The person was working, got laid off/fired unjustly or whatever and needs it to get back on their feet until they find another job. I don't find unemployment to be the same thing.

What I am talking about here is not the people who need it for a few months, I'm talking about the people who are continually on it because they are too lazy to work.

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I don't begin to assume what is going on with those people, but I think you need to read some of my latter posts. I said I am on assistance, but I also bust my ass to get my assistance.

Where I live, the women popping out child after child after child is a reality. Come take a look at Clark and Champaign counties here in Ohio. You will see exactly what I am talking about. And yes, here, the more kids you have, the more money they give you on your welfare check. They have tried that 3 year maximum lifetime for benefits, and guess what?? It's failed. My ex best friend has been on welfare for 9 years. She's fully capable of getting a job, she just refuses to. I know quite a few other women who are doing this as well.

Receiving unemployment is a completely different scope. The person was working, got laid off/fired unjustly or whatever and needs it to get back on their feet until they find another job. I don't find unemployment to be the same thing.

What I am talking about here is not the people who need it for a few months, I'm talking about the people who are continually on it because they are too lazy to work.

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I don't begin to assume what is going on with those people, but I think you need to read some of my latter posts. I said I am on assistance, but I also bust my ass to get my assistance.

Where I live, the women popping out child after child after child is a reality. Come take a look at Clark and Champaign counties here in Ohio. You will see exactly what I am talking about. And yes, here, the more kids you have, the more money they give you on your welfare check. They have tried that 3 year maximum lifetime for benefits, and guess what?? It's failed. My ex best friend has been on welfare for 9 years. She's fully capable of getting a job, she just refuses to. I know quite a few other women who are doing this as well.

Receiving unemployment is a completely different scope. The person was working, got laid off/fired unjustly or whatever and needs it to get back on their feet until they find another job. I don't find unemployment to be the same thing.

What I am talking about here is not the people who need it for a few months, I'm talking about the people who are continually on it because they are too lazy to work.


well said