Would you condone something like this? would you want it flaunted around? are you comfortable with it?

I am asking because I am watching bringing home baby and its about a teenage mom. I just dont think they should show a teenager having a baby on tv. in my eyes, that is condoning it and I dont think that is a good example for other teens. :shrug

i think if they are showing her stepping up and being responsible i'm all for it because sweeping it under the rug won't change the fact that teens get pregnant kwim

My mom was pregnant with my sister when she was a sr in high school..So no it doesnt bother me.

I think age is just a number. I see a lot more irresponsible adults that cannot provide for themselves, let alone their children that I am more concerned with.

I don't agree with it and I pray neither of my kids become teenage parents but once the damage is done you can't hide them away. Now TV is a different story. I don't think they should do shows like that centered around teenagers.

I agree. I don't think we should ostrisize (spelled?) them like they used to do...but when they glorify it, then it just becomes too socially acceptable.

My mom was pregnant with my sister when she was a sr in high school..So no it doesnt bother me.

Same here!
My mom got pregnant her senior year of high school as well! She went on to graduate from college in 3.5 years.
With that, I learned from my mother's mistake and make a vow to MYSELF that I wouldn't have sex, until after high school :)

I think age is just a number. I see a lot more irresponsible adults that cannot provide for themselves, let alone their children that I am more concerned with.

:agree

I agree with Harrisons Dream. We can't sweep it under the rug. I'd rather teens see a kid step up and do the right thing and see what a HUGE responsibility it is then just pretending it doesn't happen.

Well, since I was one I guess I'm comfortable with it. Do it condone it, hell no. Who would actually think teen pregnancy is a good thing. But it happens. I don't really see it as flaunting it to see it on tv. It happens, and seeing it on a tv show doesn't mean that it is condoning it, but it's stupid to just ignore it and pretend it doesn't happen. Having it on a show like that can open eyes to some naive teens that for some reason think that it won't happen to them.

Here is more info...

She lives at home with her mom and her mom takes care of the baby more than she does. Her and the father are no longer together and she doesnt know if he will have anything to do with the child, AND he is under house arrest.

The reason why it upsets me the most, is that they were not prepared for this. Not married, no jobs, nothing! And in my opinion, if you are going to have sex, then you need to be able to handle the responsiblities of it (meaning a baby).

well, i am a teenager (im 19) and just about all my female friends are working on their first or second child. its just reality. teen girls are getting pregnant at all ages (not a good thing, but it happens).. me personally am in no rush to have kids. i dont feel its setting any sort of "example" for teens so to speak by featuring the "teen mom" on the show.. but, then again, i like to think we of the younger generation are not that easily influenced by the media. unless its on maury; those girls are good examples of what i didnt want to be when i was 13/ 14 yrs old lol.

Being a teenage mom, I have warned my dd within an inch of her life... It was very hard.... I do not condone it, not matter if she "stepped up" or not...

Living with family IMO is NOT stepping up!!!

I'm not watching the show, so I can't really comment...

Here is more info...

She lives at home with her mom and her mom takes care of the baby more than she does. Her and the father are no longer together and she doesnt know if he will have anything to do with the child, AND he is under house arrest.

The reason why it upsets me the most, is that they were not prepared for this. Not married, no jobs, nothing! And in my opinion, if you are going to have sex, then you need to be able to handle the responsiblities of it (meaning a baby).

i see your point but it happens, it's a fact of life in American and around the world that teens get pregnant. it's better than seeing them glamourize the bad side of her getting pregnant and doing drugs and all that still. maybe she'll step up and get a job and so what if the father doesn't stay around, my father didn't.

And in my opinion, if you are going to have sex, then you need to be able to handle the responsiblities of it (meaning a baby).

That comment can go with someone of ANY age, not just a teenager. I've know some people in their late 20s, early 30s who are no more capable of raising a child than a teen would.

I agree. I don't think we should ostrisize (spelled?) them like they used to do...but when they glorify it, then it just becomes too socially acceptable.

I don't agree with it and I pray neither of my kids become teenage parents but once the damage is done you can't hide them away. Now TV is a different story. I don't think they should do shows like that centered around teenagers.


This is how I feel. I dont think it should be put on TV unless it is focused in a way to make more teens aware of what could happen. I just dont think it is ok to put it on a show like bringing home baby or baby story because it will be viewed as more socially acceptable. JMO.

ahh i do not really condone teenage (young teenage especially) pregnancy, but at the same time it does happen, and there isn't a whole lot that seems to be changing. i think that if/when i have kids i will encourage them to wait to have sex, and if they have sex to be responsible. if the get pregnant/get their gf pregnant, i will not be thrilled, but we will deal with it.

i guess imo pregnancies happen, unexpectadly to all sorts of couples, married etc. and couples aren't always ready financilly, physically, emotionally, etc to have a baby, but they do and get along. id rather have a teenager living at home having help from her family then her living out on the street, in a shelter. also, there are people that are not fit to have kids, that do, and just because they are older doesn't necesarily make them more fit, or ready to be parents.

It depends how it is portrayed. It really bugged me the way that Friends handled Rachel having a baby, there were whole episodes where the baby wasn't seen at all and Rachel continued to live her fabulous NYC lifestlye. I thought the show was setting a poor example for the types of people who would be naive enough to think Friends in any way resembles real life, that they would think having a baby is not such a big deal and that their lives won't be completely changed. Oh, and Rachel was in her 30s when she got pregnant.

i think if they are showing her stepping up and being responsible i'm all for it because sweeping it under the rug won't change the fact that teens get pregnant kwim

i agree.

Ok, here is another question regarding this...

What if it was in your childs high school yearbook?? Would you be ok with it then?


In my sisters yearbook last year, they did a page on 3 students about their "most memorable time" that year. and a 1/3 of the page was about a SOPHOMORE telling her story of how having her son was the most memorable time of her sophomore year!!! That is NOT ok in my opinion! NOT in a yearbook!! :no

That comment can go with someone of ANY age, not just a teenager. I've know some people in their late 20s, early 30s who are no more capable of raising a child than a teen would.

ITA! What's the difference if it's a 16 year old living at home with the baby or a 25 year old? None!

depends how it was told, if it was told that yes it's hard and difficult and i wish i had him later, etc etc then no it's not a problem to me. if it's like oh this is great and wonderful then yes i have problem.

Ok, here is another question regarding this...

What if it was in your childs high school yearbook?? Would you be ok with it then?


In my sisters yearbook last year, they did a page on 3 students about their "most memorable time" that year. and a 1/3 of the page was about a SOPHOMORE telling her story of how having her son was the most memorable time of her sophomore year!!! That is NOT ok in my opinion! NOT in a yearbook!! :no

Why does it matter? I think it's great that she is embracing her pregnancy and child. For all you know, it wasn't a mistake! And even if it was, it doesn't make it any less special than a woman who goes through the same thing but is ten years older.

depends how it was told, if it was told that yes it's hard and difficult and i wish i had him later, etc etc then no it's not a problem to me. if it's like oh this is great and wonderful then yes i have problem.

It was the great and wonderful one....

that just ticked me off! :irked



I am really worried about this mainly because of my sister (of course my daughter too, but she is waaaay too little to worry about that now ;)) But my sister is 16, has already had sex, and it scares the shit out of me!! I dont want some one to flaunt their pregnancy and what not all around my sister and make her think its OK to get pregnant and have a baby just because her peers are. :spank

I don't condone teenage pregnancy, but I don't think we should ignore it. Yes it happens and yes I wish that it could be prevented, but that is the reality. Kids give birth to kids and all we can do is support them and try to prevent it.


ETA: My 14 year old step-sister is due this December

ITA! What's the difference if it's a 16 year old living at home with the baby or a 25 year old? None!

I disagree. The average 25 year old has a lot more education (and therefore earning power) not to mention life experience than the average 16 year old. A lot of jobs won't even hire 16 year olds!

This is one of those subjects that just pisses me off to no end. All people ever focus on is the negative side of teen parents. There are those out there who step up to the plate and take care of their responsibilities. Why focus on only the negative?? :gaah

I had my son less than a week after I graduated from high school. I wasn't married, I lived at home. Just because of those things doesn't mean that I didn't have the potential to be a good mom. Frankly, I think I am a better mom than quite a few that I have seen as of recent. I don't agree with parents raising their grandchildren because it gets in the way of the social life for the parent. As someone said, age is just a number, and there are some people out there that don't deserve to be parents because of the way they pawn their children off. I would hope that my children learn from my experiences and wait to have sex, let alone children. Of course if they do, I'm sure I'll be mad, but I would be 100% supportive and let them know that I am there to help, but that I won't RAISE the child for them.

No, it might be helpful to other young mothers to see a young mother in a good light. Teen pregnancy happens why hide it? It is far more productive to show something that might be helpful rather then only the worst case scenarios.

Why does it matter? I think it's great that she is embracing her pregnancy and child. For all you know, it wasn't a mistake! And even if it was, it doesn't make it any less special than a woman who goes through the same thing but is ten years older.


YOu have a point. Of course having a baby is a beautiful and wonderful thing. I just dont think it is something that should be in a High School yearbook.

My SIL got pregnant at 16, got kicked out of her school in WA, came to Cali at 5 months pregnant and could only go to ONE school out here and had to go into special classes. I dont think that is ok. I dont think they should be segragated by any means, but I dont think it should be shown off as an OK acceptable thing. KWIM?

i got pregnant in high school in my senior year, i had her in nov after i graduated...im not going to say hey go out and get pregnant but not everyone is irresponsible :dunno

I disagree. The average 25 year old has a lot more education (and therefore earning power) not to mention life experience than the average 16 year old. A lot of jobs won't even hire 16 year olds!

I absolutely disagree. A 25 year old living at home, because they can't financially live on their own isn't any different than a 16 year old. Regardless of life experience and/or education, they are still relying on family to provide for them. What is the difference? If they have the education and experience, why aren't they working and providing for themselves? (Of course there is a difference to willingly move home during deployment, due to preganncy complications, etc.)

This is one of those subjects that just pisses me off to no end. All people ever focus on is the negative side of teen parents. There are those out there who step up to the plate and take care of their responsibilities. Why focus on only the negative?? :gaah

I had my son less than a week after I graduated from high school. I wasn't married, I lived at home. Just because of those things doesn't mean that I didn't have the potential to be a good mom. Frankly, I think I am a better mom than quite a few that I have seen as of recent. I don't agree with parents raising their grandchildren because it gets in the way of the social life for the parent. As someone said, age is just a number, and there are some people out there that don't deserve to be parents because of the way they pawn their children off. I would hope that my children learn from my experiences and wait to have sex, let alone children. Of course if they do, I'm sure I'll be mad, but I would be 100% supportive and let them know that I am there to help, but that I won't RAISE the child for them.

beautifully written

YOu have a point. Of course having a baby is a beautiful and wonderful thing. I just dont think it is something that should be in a High School yearbook.

My SIL got pregnant at 16, got kicked out of her school in WA, came to Cali at 5 months pregnant and could only go to ONE school out here and had to go into special classes. I dont think that is ok. I dont think they should be segragated by any means, but I dont think it should be shown off as an OK acceptable thing. KWIM?

Girls were pregnant in my school had normal classes, went to normal lunch and did everything with everyone else.

YOu have a point. Of course having a baby is a beautiful and wonderful thing. I just dont think it is something that should be in a High School yearbook.

My SIL got pregnant at 16, got kicked out of her school in WA, came to Cali at 5 months pregnant and could only go to ONE school out here and had to go into special classes. I dont think that is ok. I dont think they should be segragated by any means, but I dont think it should be shown off as an OK acceptable thing. KWIM?

I dont think putting it in a year book is "showing it off"

A year book documents memories made during high school, and that is one of them.

Ok, here is another question regarding this...

What if it was in your childs high school yearbook?? Would you be ok with it then?


In my sisters yearbook last year, they did a page on 3 students about their "most memorable time" that year. and a 1/3 of the page was about a SOPHOMORE telling her story of how having her son was the most memorable time of her sophomore year!!! That is NOT ok in my opinion! NOT in a yearbook!! :no


What's the big deal about it being in the yearbook? I'm sure that the entire school pretty much already knew that she had a kid, so what if it is in the yearbook. At least she is taking responsibilty for having the child. Putting it in the yearbook or not doing it doesn't change the fact that it happened.

YOu have a point. Of course having a baby is a beautiful and wonderful thing. I just dont think it is something that should be in a High School yearbook.

My SIL got pregnant at 16, got kicked out of her school in WA, came to Cali at 5 months pregnant and could only go to ONE school out here and had to go into special classes. I dont think that is ok. I dont think they should be segragated by any means, but I dont think it should be shown off as an OK acceptable thing. KWIM?

Well just because it's not acceptable to you doesn't mean it isn't acceptable to others. Does that means that those with a mohawk, tattoos, people who are gay, etc shouldn't be in the yearbook too?

I absolutely disagree. A 25 year old living at home, because they can't financially live on their own isn't any different than a 16 year old. Regardless of life experience and/or education, they are still relying on family to provide for them. What is the difference? If they have the education and experience, why aren't they working and providing for themselves? (Of course there is a difference to willingly move home during deployment, due to preganncy complications, etc.)


What if a 25 year old is living at home with their kids and their single parent and ARE supporting themselves?? I think that makes a HUGE difference!

My Aunt lives at my Gma's house with her 3 kids, pays utilities and $500 in rent as well as stocks the fridge and cuppords. She makes more than enough money to support herself and her kids on her own, but wanted to be home with her mom so she didnt have to be in such a big house all alone all alone all the time.

I dont think a 16 year old stays at home because they feel like it. They stay at home because they can't afford to live on their own.

Ok, here is another question regarding this...

What if it was in your childs high school yearbook?? Would you be ok with it then?


In my sisters yearbook last year, they did a page on 3 students about their "most memorable time" that year. and a 1/3 of the page was about a SOPHOMORE telling her story of how having her son was the most memorable time of her sophomore year!!! That is NOT ok in my opinion! NOT in a yearbook!! :no

I would not care having a baby is most likely going to be one of the most memorable things to happen in anyone's life. If she was asked to tell her story OR as was most likely the case paid for that spot how dare anyone censor it.

Should any photos that might show a pregnant teen be removed as well? It is something that happens hiding it won't change it, & can only make it worse. It is better to let these girls KNOW what is going on because MANY of them have the belief that it can't happen to them. They are not educated about sex or reproduction. Many don't know that oral sex IS sex they think it doesn't count. they think they can't get STD's from it. So I think we have a HUGE problem and the more people try to cover it up, or ignore it the worse it will get.

The girl in question (on the show) still lives at home. How do we know that is not what her parents want? Some parents want them to stay at home so that they can finish high school. I know that if I had a daughter and she got pregnant I would be helping her to make sure she got through high school & if she wanted college. An education gives her & the child a better chance.

I know many divorced women that end up having to move back home for a time after the divorce it's no different. It doesn't automatically make you a bad mother either. The fact that she made a poor choice in a BF doesn't make her a bad mother either. How many military wives have you known that were cheated on, or abused? Did it make them bad mothers because they married assholes?

I absolutely disagree. A 25 year old living at home, because they can't financially live on their own isn't any different than a 16 year old. Regardless of life experience and/or education, they are still relying on family to provide for them. What is the difference? If they have the education and experience, why aren't they working and providing for themselves? (Of course there is a difference to willingly move home during deployment, due to preganncy complications, etc.)

Well, I lived at home part of the time I was 25. I was supposed to live with DH (DF at the time) but he was unexpectedly deployed. I was in my last year of grad school and my only income was a $10, 000 stipend I got for my internship.

Fast forward, I'm now 26, not living at home and making way more money than I would if I had dropped out when I couldn't afford to live on my own, go to grad school full time plus work 30+ hours a week at my internship. If I had gotten pregnant when I was 25 I was still living at home but I was in a much better financial situation than a 16 year old.

If you live in an expensive area like Boston, you will find many succesful twenty somethings who are temporarily living with their parents while they go to grad school or start new jobs. It isn't a sign of being a lowlife, it's a sign of planning for your future.

Well just because it's not acceptable to you doesn't mean it isn't acceptable to others. Does that means that those with a mohawk, tattoos, people who are gay, etc shouldn't be in the yearbook too?

Very well said.



There is no one right way to live. All you can hope to do is to raise YOUR children responsibly and not let the outside world affect you and your family.

Well just because it's not acceptable to you doesn't mean it isn't acceptable to others. Does that means that those with a mohawk, tattoos, people who are gay, etc shouldn't be in the yearbook too?

Mohawks and tattoos arent life changing. And I believe that if you are gay, you were most likely born gay, so its not something you can change. But having sex and having a baby is a life changing choice, and I really think that kids should think about what consiquences may come frome sex. NOt only the possiblity of a baby, but STD's.

What if a 25 year old is living at home with their kids and their single parent and ARE supporting themselves?? I think that makes a HUGE difference!

My Aunt lives at my Gma's house with her 3 kids, pays utilities and $500 in rent as well as stocks the fridge and cuppords. She makes more than enough money to support herself and her kids on her own, but wanted to be home with her mom so she didnt have to be in such a big house all alone all alone all the time.

I dont think a 16 year old stays at home because they feel like it. They stay at home because they can't afford to live on their own.

That is making a general assumption about everyone, try to keep an open mind that everyone is different.

Casey, I agree that stories about pregnancies don't belong in yearbooks. Teenage pregnancy is very much influenced by peers. So many kids are looking for ways to fit in or find their niche, pregnancy should not be presented as a way a lonely teenager could find acceptance in high school.

YOu have a point. Of course having a baby is a beautiful and wonderful thing. I just dont think it is something that should be in a High School yearbook.

My SIL got pregnant at 16, got kicked out of her school in WA, came to Cali at 5 months pregnant and could only go to ONE school out here and had to go into special classes. I dont think that is ok. I dont think they should be segragated by any means, but I dont think it should be shown off as an OK acceptable thing. KWIM?

When I went to high school girls who were pregnant had to go to another school Now things are different. My cousins went to the same school I did and half the student body was expecting. I agree that they should not be segregated but it's hard. Some teens see it as a "cool" thing. I am not saying that's how everyone sees it just some.

That is making a general assumption about everyone, try to keep an open mind that everyone is different.


I thought I was being general?? :shrug

I like to use examples and experiences I see to get my point across...sorry :blush

I think that when we talk about teenagers, we need to be more specific too. I mean, there is a big difference between a 13 year old getting pregnant and a 19 year old...and yet, they're both teenagers.

And several of the ladies on this thread are right. There are many teens out there who are more responsible than many adults.

The biggest issue is mainly just glorifying it. And that really goes for ALL ages...not just teens. There are too many men and women out there who have no clue how hard (and expensive) it is to raise a baby, and they don't take the proper precautions, because they don't realize what they're in for. Accidents do happen. And for those people who step up and work hard to raise their baby (with or without help), I applaud them. It's the ones who expect others to raise (or pay for) their baby who upset me. And that's just because there are those of us out there (me) who would LOVE to have a child, but might not ever have one because I know how expensive they are, so I have taken serious precautions to prevent a pregnancy.

Anyway...off my soap box. I don't look down on anyone. I think everyone makes mistakes. Except me...I'm perfect. NOT! LOL!

When I went to high school girls who were pregnant had to go to another school Now things are different. My cousins went to the same school I did and half the student body was expecting. I agree that they should not be segregated but it's hard. Some teens see it as a "cool" thing. I am not saying that's how everyone sees it just some.

when i was in high school they had to go to a different school and all their electives were parenting classes.

Casey, I agree that stories about pregnancies don't belong in yearbooks. Teenage pregnancy is very much influenced by peers. So many kids are looking for ways to fit in or find their niche, pregnancy should not be presented as a way a lonely teenager could find acceptance in high school.


EXACTLY!!! That is exactly what I was trying to say...I just dont know how to get my point across :nutts :P

Mohawks and tattoos arent life changing. And I believe that if you are gay, you were most likely born gay, so its not something you can change. But having sex and having a baby is a life changing choice, and I really think that kids should think about what consiquences may come frome sex. NOt only the possiblity of a baby, but STD's.

They are not educated properly about their bodies they think it cannot happen to them. Not to mention some school districts pressure the pregnant girls to drop out making it even more likely that students will nto see pregnancy. AIDS is spreading among young women I think the ages are 16-25 like wild fire. Until we start addressing these issues and really teaching them about all of the options that they can protect themselves with the problem will just grow.

I thought I was being general?? :shrug

I like to use examples and experiences I see to get my point across...sorry :blush

I am saying that everyone is different, just because someone is 16 you cant just assume they are irresponsible. You don't know them, KWIM?

i dont see it as flaunting it or condoning it. its just reality.and the reality of things is there are kids far younger then the teens having babies nowadays.

i cant really judge people on getting pregnant as a teen.my mom got pregnant with my brother when she was 14...and she got married and stepped up.and a few of my friends from school had kids at a young age. they still live at home but they at least work .

They are not educated properly about their bodies they think it can nnot happen to tem. Not to mention some school districts pressure the pregnant girls to drop out making it even more likely that students will nto see pregnancy. AIDS is spreading among young wome I think the ages are 16-25 like wild fire. Until we start addressing these issues and really teaching them about all of the options that they can protect themselves with the problem will just grow.

:agree

Whats the big deal? Teenagers get pregnant all the time. Its seen by other teenagers all the time. If they are being raised responsibly by their parents they might not go out and get pregnant even if its happening all around them. Thats not to say accidents dont happen but if the kids are stepping up and taking responsibility for their actions I think that teaches something too. WE are are responsible for our own lives and the consequences that goes with it.

I think that when we talk about teenagers, we need to be more specific too. I mean, there is a big difference between a 13 year old getting pregnant and a 19 year old...and yet, they're both teenagers.

And several of the ladies on this thread are right. There are many teens out there who are more responsible than many adults.

The biggest issue is mainly just glorifying it. And that really goes for ALL ages...not just teens. There are too many men and women out there who have no clue how hard (and expensive) it is to raise a baby, and they don't take the proper precautions, because they don't realize what they're in for. Accidents do happen. And for those people who step up and work hard to raise their baby (with or without help), I applaud them. It's the ones who expect others to raise (or pay for) their baby who upset me. And that's just because there are those of us out there (me) who would LOVE to have a child, but might not ever have one because I know how expensive they are, so I have taken serious precautions to prevent a pregnancy.

Anyway...off my soap box. I don't look down on anyone. I think everyone makes mistakes. Except me...I'm perfect. NOT! LOL!

Glorifying it is my problem. I am glad that those who chose to care for their children did so other than abort them, but I do not agree that they shoud pawn their kids off on anyone else to raise. They were the ones who decided to have them, they are the ones who should be caring for them (financially and otherwise) So I believe that if they CANT care for them, then they have no bussiness having sex, and that way they cant get pregnant.

Casey, I agree that stories about pregnancies don't belong in yearbooks. Teenage pregnancy is very much influenced by peers. So many kids are looking for ways to fit in or find their niche, pregnancy should not be presented as a way a lonely teenager could find acceptance in high school.

That will BE the most memorable time of THAT high schooler's life. So... because YOU and others don't like it, she has to suppress HER experiences and stories and memories?

I don't find that very fair at all.

What if a 25 year old is living at home with their kids and their single parent and ARE supporting themselves?? I think that makes a HUGE difference!

My Aunt lives at my Gma's house with her 3 kids, pays utilities and $500 in rent as well as stocks the fridge and cuppords. She makes more than enough money to support herself and her kids on her own, but wanted to be home with her mom so she didnt have to be in such a big house all alone all alone all the time.

I dont think a 16 year old stays at home because they feel like it. They stay at home because they can't afford to live on their own.

How do you know that? And regardless, there still isn't a difference, IMO. You are saying that the 16 year old has to rely on the parent, and then in the other situation you provided, the 25 year old has to rely on the parent. I don't think there is a difference.

That will BE the most memorable time of THAT high schooler's life. So... because YOU and others don't like it, she has to suppress HER experiences and stories and memories?

I don't find that very fair at all.

It's a public health issue. It's more important to not present glorified views of pregnancy to the other students than it is to allow this girl to tell her story.

Besides, yearbooks are places to share things that happened at school or with your classmates. When I was 16 I traveled to Europe with my family for the first time and it was pretty memorable. But just because it happened while I was a high school student doesn't mean I would put it in my yearbook, I would have put something about a trip I took with my friends at school. Having a baby doesn't bond you to your classmates.

I am saying that everyone is different, just because someone is 16 you cant just assume they are irresponsible. You don't know them, KWIM?

ok gotcha ;)

Well the ones that i did know were not responisble and most of them ended up leaving WITHOUT their babies, leaving them to be taken care of by family. The ONLY 16 year old that i knew that got pregnant and actually stepped up, was my SIL. She got married early in her pregnancy, and her husband joined the Navy. I respect her for actually taking charge of the situation, but I dont respect the way she flaunts it, especially around her young daughters like its completely ok. It makes me worry that they will think its ok if they get pregnant when they are young, accidentally or not :shrug

It's a public health issue. It's more important to not present glorified views of pregnancy to the other students than it is to allow this girl to tell her story.

Besides, yearbooks are places to share things that happened at school or with your classmates. When I was 16 I traveled to Europe with my family for the first time and it was pretty memorable. But just because it happened while I was a high school student doesn't mean I would put it in my yearbook, I would have put something about a trip I took with my friends at school. Having a baby doesn't bond you to your classmates.

What is this, the 1950's? Girls have sex. It's common in high school whether or not ANYONE wants to believe it or whether or not they think it's okay. What do you all suggest, we put the girls into hiding so no one ever knows she was pregnant, for fear of pregnancy replacing skinny jeans as the newest trend?

The yearbook is a place to tell about things that happened that year. In the ad pages you can put whatever memories you want. If she paid for the slot then it is hers to use. Removing her story is no different then the picture of the two boys kissing being censored IMO.

The ad pages are often about couples which has nothing to do with school either, you go to school to learn not socialize right? (obviously I don't believe that it was sarcasm) School is about more then just books & learning. It is preparing them for the real world. Or at least it should help prepare them.

:rolleyes sorry to me it's not condoning nor condeming. It's showing REALITY. In REALITY teens get pregnant. In REALITY teens face being condemed by people who look down on them because of either their stupidity or an accident with faulty birth control. Either way it's still a REALITY.

And this is coming from a TEEN parent.

How do you know that? And regardless, there still isn't a difference, IMO. You are saying that the 16 year old has to rely on the parent, and then in the other situation you provided, the 25 year old has to rely on the parent. I don't think there is a difference.

Sixteen year olds are not adults. They still legally depend on their parents for everything. They may not even be able to drive yet.

Just because someone is 25 and is living at home doesn't mean they never lived on their own or that they depend on their parents for everything.

I just don't know how you can argue that there is no difference between someone who is legally a child and would need parental permission to get married, someone who can not join the military, cannot vote, cannot even sign most legal documents for themselves and a 25 year old adult. I'm lucky (or smart) enough to have not gotten pregnant at either age 16 or age 25, but I could have handled it at 25 and my life wouldn't be turned upside down. If I had gotten pregnant at 16 I cannot even imagine how different my life would have been.

What is this, the 1950's? Girls have sex. It's common in high school whether or not ANYONE wants to believe it or whether or not they think it's okay. What do you all suggest, we put the girls into hiding so no one ever knows she was pregnant, for fear of pregnancy replacing skinny jeans as the newest trend?

:lmao Ok that made me laugh! I just pictured girls wearing tight ass jeans, midrif shirts and a BIG OLE BELLY hanging out and them strutting their stuff :roflmao

No this isnt the 1950's but just because its not and girls do have sex doesnt mean that getting pregnant and having a baby is ok at that age. A child is a BIG responsibility, and I believe that at 16 most may not be able to handle that kind of a responsiblity. But I actually am afraid that the more we glorify it and make it seem socially acceptable, the more common it will be because people will begin to think that it is ok.

What is this, the 1950's? Girls have sex. It's common in high school whether or not ANYONE wants to believe it or whether or not they think it's okay. What do you all suggest, we put the girls into hiding so no one ever knows she was pregnant, for fear of pregnancy replacing skinny jeans as the newest trend?

:giggle

Hiding it didn't work in the 50s, it surely isn't going to work now. When I was a teen I didn't view pregnancy in general as a good thing, I didn't even like kids. But I still got pregnant at 16. I still had sex even though I knew the possible consequences of what I was doing.

What is this, the 1950's? Girls have sex. It's common in high school whether or not ANYONE wants to believe it or whether or not they think it's okay. What do you all suggest, we put the girls into hiding so no one ever knows she was pregnant, for fear of pregnancy replacing skinny jeans as the newest trend?

It's not common everywhere. Not a single girl in my class was pregnant in high school the entire four years I was there. We had a class of 200 and graduated in 1999, not exactly the 50s.

It's a public health issue. It's more important to not present glorified views of pregnancy to the other students than it is to allow this girl to tell her story.

Besides, yearbooks are places to share things that happened at school or with your classmates. When I was 16 I traveled to Europe with my family for the first time and it was pretty memorable. But just because it happened while I was a high school student doesn't mean I would put it in my yearbook, I would have put something about a trip I took with my friends at school. Having a baby doesn't bond you to your classmates.

You COULD take out a page to talk about your trip though, and no one would say anything to you about it.

Ok, here is another question regarding this...

What if it was in your childs high school yearbook?? Would you be ok with it then?


In my sisters yearbook last year, they did a page on 3 students about their "most memorable time" that year. and a 1/3 of the page was about a SOPHOMORE telling her story of how having her son was the most memorable time of her sophomore year!!! That is NOT ok in my opinion! NOT in a yearbook!! :no

I would be damn proud of it. There are not many teens who finish high school when they get preggo. Thankfully at my HS there was a teen parent center that helped us get through school. Out of 15 girls in my senior class who got pregnant I was the only who walked the line. I was damn proud of that face. I even wrote my senior will out to my unborn daughter.

If people keep sweeping the realities of sex under the table, more and more girls will continue to feel alone and abandoned during this scary time of their lives and will end up dropping out, getting abortions because they THINK that they have too, living off welfare without any help or support to better themselves because they have been outcasted.

Once again it is a reality that needs to stop being ignored or looked down upon.

I don't think is saying it is OK, but if it happens then you deal with it and move on with life.

There is no reason to hide it and act like it doesn't happen

Ok, here is another question regarding this...

What if it was in your childs high school yearbook?? Would you be ok with it then?


In my sisters yearbook last year, they did a page on 3 students about their "most memorable time" that year. and a 1/3 of the page was about a SOPHOMORE telling her story of how having her son was the most memorable time of her sophomore year!!! That is NOT ok in my opinion! NOT in a yearbook!! :no

i dont think its a big deal at all to be in the year book.. i mean, instead of dwelling about her choices and being depressed about it, she's accepting it and taking responsibility for it.. its not like she's saying "having my baby was the best thing that could have happened to me my SOPHMORE year of high school". she just said memorable.. and, how could that not be memorable? she had a baby at like 15 lol. quite a few girls i know started having kids in high school, but they work, most are going to college and have parents willing to help them out while they deal with all the stress.

"teen" pregnancy does seem to be a growing issue, but.. i agree with most of the ladies here: its not something that should be hidden or glorified. i do feel like it needs to be presented.. i mean, sadly, its becoming more and more mainstream to be a teen mom. it may be due to the irresponsibility of the teen, or possibly to the educators (teachers and parents alike). or maybe its a little bit of both. i dunno. but this is definitely not something we can keep ignoring. girls dont need to be punished for their choices, just better education on sexuality and the truth about parenthood.

but, thats just how i feel about the whole thing...

You COULD take out a page to talk about your trip though, and no one would say anything to you about it.


But she didnt pay to have this page in the yearbook. The school did. If it was her page and she paid for it, then yeah there is nothing I can say. But the fact that the SCHOOL paid for it and published it, is scary to me. Its like that school is saying is ok.

You COULD take out a page to talk about your trip though, and no one would say anything to you about it.

Our yearbooks weren't set up that way, the only people who took out ads were parents of the graduating seniors who used them to post pictures of their kids as babies. Students didn't take out ads and there were no pages dedicated to events that happened outside of school or school related activities.

But she didnt pay to have this page in the yearbook. The school did. If it was her page and she paid for it, then yeah there is nothing I can say. But the fact that the SCHOOL paid for it and published it, is scary to me. Its like that school is saying is ok.

I don't see the problem. Does it affect YOU or YOUR family? Like I said, raise your babies the way YOU deem fit, and raise them responsibly. Girls had babies in my school and in my sister's school and neither she or I (nor ANY of our friends) got pregnant.

It's not a page in a yearbook that leads a young girl to have sex early and do it irresponsibly. It is A LOT of factors. From lack of affection at home, to bad parenting, to traumatic events. Don't blame a yearbook page or even another teen.

Our yearbooks weren't set up that way, the only people who took out ads were parents of the graduating seniors who used them to post pictures of their kids as babies. Students didn't take out ads and there were no pages dedicated to events that happened outside of school or school related activities.

It was the same way when I was in school.

But she didnt pay to have this page in the yearbook. The school did. If it was her page and she paid for it, then yeah there is nothing I can say. But the fact that the SCHOOL paid for it and published it, is scary to me. Its like that school is saying is ok.

Did you stop to think that MAYBE they were proud of her accomplishments over getting pregnant. That through all the feelings and emotions of getting pregnant as a teen that she was still able to complete her year.

If it were me and I didn't condon it (which I actually do think is pretty cool) I would call and ask the school their reasoning behind it. How do you know they actually paid for it, could it be that was a rumor being told?

Our yearbooks weren't set up that way, the only people who took out ads were parents of the graduating seniors who used them to post pictures of their kids as babies. Students didn't take out ads and there were no pages dedicated to events that happened outside of school or school related activities.

Ok well that's how YOUR yearbook was. OUR yearbook was HUGE and had many many many topics and pages and ads and memories in it. It's the largest yearbook in Louisiana every year and we're one of the smaller schools. Not all yearbooks are the same.

i dont think its a big deal at all to be in the year book.. i mean, instead of dwelling about her choices and being depressed about it, she's accepting it and taking responsibility for it.. its not like she's saying "having my baby was the best thing that could have happened to me my SOPHMORE year of high school". she just said memorable.. and, how could that not be memorable? she had a baby at like 15 lol. quite a few girls i know started having kids in high school, but they work, most are going to college and have parents willing to help them out while they deal with all the stress.

"teen" pregnancy does seem to be a growing issue, but.. i agree with most of the ladies here: its not something that should be hidden or glorified. i do feel like it needs to be presented.. i mean, sadly, its becoming more and more mainstream to be a teen mom. it may be due to the irresponsibility of the teen, or possibly to the educators (teachers and parents alike). or maybe its a little bit of both. i dunno. but this is definitely not something we can keep ignoring. girls dont need to be punished for their choices, just better education on sexuality and the truth about parenthood.

but, thats just how i feel about the whole thing...

:wow Actually that is almost exactly how she said it.... But I believe she said it more like "having my son was the best thing that happened to me this year"

But the second part I completely agree with. I was never saying that it shoudl be hidden. I just dont think it should be flaunted and glorified the way it seems to be. :shrug And I totally agree there shoudld be better educatin on sexuality, but I think the PARENTS need to be more educated as well, since they are their childrens key rolemodels...

I would be damn proud of it. There are not many teens who finish high school when they get preggo. Thankfully at my HS there was a teen parent center that helped us get through school. Out of 15 girls in my senior class who got pregnant I was the only who walked the line. I was damn proud of that face. I even wrote my senior will out to my unborn daughter.

If people keep sweeping the realities of sex under the table, more and more girls will continue to feel alone and abandoned during this scary time of their lives and will end up dropping out, getting abortions because they THINK that they have too, living off welfare without any help or support to better themselves because they have been outcasted.

Once again it is a reality that needs to stop being ignored or looked down upon.

Can we get an AMEN in here? :giggle

Our yearbooks weren't set up that way, the only people who took out ads were parents of the graduating seniors who used them to post pictures of their kids as babies. Students didn't take out ads and there were no pages dedicated to events that happened outside of school or school related activities.

Same for ever school out here that i know of.

:wow Actually that is almost exactly how she said it.... But I believe she said it more like "having my son was the best thing that happened to me this year"

But the second part I completely agree with. I was never saying that it shoudl be hidden. I just dont think it should be flaunted and glorified the way it seems to be. :shrug And I totally agree there shoudld be better educatin on sexuality, but I think the PARENTS need to be more educated as well, since they are their childrens key rolemodels...

What would you have said if she was all "having my son was the worst thing to happen to me"?

Maybe she, I dunno, ended up loving the baby she birthed and it became the greatest thing to her? :thinking

Let's be real...it happens...it happens all the time. I have known a teenage mother, she was 16. She still went to school and got a job. She supported herself and her child. She has continued in her life to go work and go to school and is almost done with college. She now owns her own home. She did it all on her own! She makes me so proud. So, here you have a "teenage mom" that took care of herself and her child and you have people that are in their 20's maybe even 30's that are back living with their parents or family because "they just can't seem to make it". She did it and god bless her, because she is stronger than I am!!

Same for ever school out here that i know of.

:lol And like I said. NOT all yearbooks are like hers and yours.

I don't see the problem. Does it affect YOU or YOUR family? Like I said, raise your babies the way YOU deem fit, and raise them responsibly. Girls had babies in my school and in my sister's school and neither she or I (nor ANY of our friends) got pregnant.

It's not a page in a yearbook that leads a young girl to have sex early and do it irresponsibly. It is A LOT of factors. From lack of affection at home, to bad parenting, to traumatic events. Don't blame a yearbook page or even another teen.

So True!

Did you stop to think that MAYBE they were proud of her accomplishments over getting pregnant. That through all the feelings and emotions of getting pregnant as a teen that she was still able to complete her year.

If it were me and I didn't condon it (which I actually do think is pretty cool) I would call and ask the school their reasoning behind it. How do you know they actually paid for it, could it be that was a rumor being told?

I would hope that the High School wouldnt condone something like that!

And yes the school did pay for it because the students cant just take a page out for themselves and write whatever they want to write in it. It was a page written by one of the yearbook authors and was published by the school. And if she was the one giving the interview (with pic of her and her baby) I doubt its an rumor.

Maybe having her son was the best part. She isnt trying to hide the baby or stuff him in a trash can. She is owning up to what happened in her life. I would be proud too

:wow Actually that is almost exactly how she said it.... But I believe she said it more like "having my son was the best thing that happened to me this year"

But the second part I completely agree with. I was never saying that it shoudl be hidden. I just dont think it should be flaunted and glorified the way it seems to be. :shrug And I totally agree there shoudld be better educatin on sexuality, but I think the PARENTS need to be more educated as well, since they are their childrens key rolemodels...

You don't agree with it so you are going to keep finding reasons to slam it. Maybe becoming a Mother (no matter how badly ill timed) did change her life for the better. You don't know you are not in her shoes. Maybe she managed to get pregnant, have a baby, & keep up her grades all at the same time. Maybe it is not your place to judge her situation. MAYBE her story can make girls think about what can happen before they agree to have sex with out proper BC or even have sex at all.

Telling her story does not flaunt or glorifiy getting pregnant.

:wow Actually that is almost exactly how she said it.... But I believe she said it more like "having my son was the best thing that happened to me this year"





Just curious, but when you had your baby...wasn't it the best thing that happened to you that year? I think most people feel that when they have their children it is the best thing ever??? :dunno

I would hope that the High School wouldnt condone something like that!

And yes the school did pay for it because the students cant just take a page out for themselves and write whatever they want to write in it. It was a page written by one of the yearbook authors and was published by the school. And if she was the one giving the interview (with pic of her and her baby) I doubt its an rumor.

That they wouldn't condone what? The love she developed for her child? The fact that she is still in school? What part are you so butthurt about?

Did you stop to think that MAYBE they were proud of her accomplishments over getting pregnant. That through all the feelings and emotions of getting pregnant as a teen that she was still able to complete her year.

If it were me and I didn't condon it (which I actually do think is pretty cool) I would call and ask the school their reasoning behind it. How do you know they actually paid for it, could it be that was a rumor being told?

Get out of my head girlie!! I was thinking the same thing.

I think that maybe the school was trying to show the POSITIVE instead of the NEGATIVE. All too often we find people downgrading, bashing and whatnot teen moms, but at least this school recognized something that was POSITIVE. The girl stepped up and took care of her responsibilities, and finished her school year to boot. Now that is what I call an accomplishment.

You don't agree with it so you are going to keep finding reasons to slam it. Maybe becoming a Mother (no matter how badly ill timed) did change her life for the better. You don't know you are not in her shoes. Maybe she managed to get pregnant, have a baby, & keep up her grades all at the same time. Maybe it is not your place to judge her situation. MAYBE her story can make girls think about what can happen before they agree to have sex with out proper BC or even have sex at all.

Telling her story does not flaunt or glorifiy getting pregnant.

VERY well said.

What would you have said if she was all "having my son was the worst thing to happen to me"?

Maybe she, I dunno, ended up loving the baby she birthed and it became the greatest thing to her? :thinking


I never said that she shouldnt be proud of her baby, I just dont think a 1/3 of a page of a HIGH SCHOOL YEARBOOK should have been focused on a 15 year old's girl birth story!!

Just curious, but when you had your baby...wasn't it the best thing that happened to you that year? I think most people feel that when they have their children it is the best thing ever??? :dunno

:agree

I know having my son was hands down the best thing that could have ever happened to me!

You don't agree with it so you are going to keep finding reasons to slam it. Maybe becoming a Mother (no matter how badly ill timed) did change her life for the better. You don't know you are not in her shoes. Maybe she managed to get pregnant, have a baby, & keep up her grades all at the same time. Maybe it is not your place to judge her situation. MAYBE her story can make girls think about what can happen before they agree to have sex with out proper BC or even have sex at all.

Telling her story does not flaunt or glorifiy getting pregnant.

:agree

Thank You! very well said :yes

I never said that she shouldnt be proud of her baby, I just dont think a 1/3 of a page of a HIGH SCHOOL YEARBOOK should have been focused on a 15 year old's girl birth story!!

Then... don't look at it.

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Originally Posted by Green~Mammy
You don't agree with it so you are going to keep finding reasons to slam it. Maybe becoming a Mother (no matter how badly ill timed) did change her life for the better. You don't know you are not in her shoes. Maybe she managed to get pregnant, have a baby, & keep up her grades all at the same time. Maybe it is not your place to judge her situation. MAYBE her story can make girls think about what can happen before they agree to have sex with out proper BC or even have sex at all.
Telling her story does not flaunt or glorifiy getting pregnant.

Very Well Said!!!

That they wouldn't condone what? The love she developed for her child? The fact that she is still in school? What part are you so butthurt about?

Back up Tawny!! This was supposed to be a debate. Fogive me for having a different opinion than you!

Debate all you want, but dont feak out if I dont agree with you!

To ME, it would depend the actual age of the teenager. I think 17 year olds are alot more mature than 14 year olds. THOUGH-- maturity varies with each induvidual person. I have also met quite a few people that were in their 40's and were less mature than the average teenager.

Do I think they should praise them on TV? Sure, if they are doing whats right, and being responsible.. Why not give them a little boost of self confidence.. 'A pat on the back' for being a step up parent.

I never said that she shouldnt be proud of her baby, I just dont think a 1/3 of a page of a HIGH SCHOOL YEARBOOK should have been focused on a 15 year old's girl birth story!!

1/3 of a page as opposed to how many pages? 100, 200, maybe even 300 pages. OMG~~someone call the police, we have had an injustice here. :sarcasm

Im a teen mom x2. Got pregnant with lauryin at 17 had her at 18, ryan I was 18 had him at 19. Personally it wasnt hard on me, I was ready to settle down as crazy as it sounds. I did my career training right now I can get a job with a privae ambo company pulling in 60,000 a year if I wanted to.

HOWEVER these girls just having babies because it's "cool" and they want them as bascially accessories I DO NOT condone that at all. If your ready you are ready but dont do it just because you think it will be this "like totally awesome grooverific time where your baby is going to be like totally kewl and like never cry and be like perfect omg!"

Its a 1/3 of a page. Big deal. She got pregnant, had a baby and still managed to come to school and finish out the year. It is something to be proud of even if you dont think it deserves reconigition

it's 1/3 of a page....it's that girls memories...why shouldn't she be able to have her memories saved in HER yearbook. If someone doesn't like it they can rip the damn page out.

Back up Tawny!! This was supposed to be a debate. Fogive me for having a different opinion than you!

Debate all you want, but dont feak out if I dont agree with you!

I'm not freaking out, I am trying to figure out why YOU think it's so horribly terrible that she is proud of the baby she had.

Have I ever said anyone couldn't have a different opinion than me? :rolleyes

Hey Casey, OTHERS are disagreeing with you, should THEY back up as well? Or just me?

it's 1/3 of a page....it's that girls memories...why shouldn't she be able to have her memories saved in HER yearbook. If someone doesn't like it they can rip the damn page out.
Or a nice big black permanent marker would work too. :lmao

it's 1/3 of a page....it's that girls memories...why shouldn't she be able to have her memories saved in HER yearbook. If someone doesn't like it they can rip the damn page out.

:agree

I agree with Sunshyne.. You can purchase a page in your HS yearbook to do what you will.. If she wants it to be the birth of her daughter, so be it.

Ok well that's how YOUR yearbook was. OUR yearbook was HUGE and had many many many topics and pages and ads and memories in it. It's the largest yearbook in Louisiana every year and we're one of the smaller schools. Not all yearbooks are the same.

Well it sounds to me that my interpretation of how the OP's yearbook was set up is correct and that those who assumed that the girl had paid for the page were the ones who assumed incorrectly.

Im a teen mom x2. Got pregnant with lauryin at 17 had her at 18, ryan I was 18 had him at 19. Personally it wasnt hard on me, I was ready to settle down as crazy as it sounds. I did my career training right now I can get a job with a privae ambo company pulling in 60,000 a year if I wanted to.

HOWEVER these girls just having babies because it's "cool" and they want them as bascially accessories I DO NOT condone that at all. If your ready you are ready but dont do it just because you think it will be this "like totally awesome grooverific time where your baby is going to be like totally kewl and like never cry and be like perfect omg!"

This was my whooole point! Yeah, choosing to have sex and ending up pregnant and TAKING CARE of your own child is great. But dont go run off and get pregnant because one of your friends did and you think its soo neat! And I think tooooo many of high school girls are way to impressionable to see something like that on TV or in a yearbook and be able to make a rational decision. Especially if they are 14 or 15 with a boyfriend pressuring sex or they will break up with them :rolleyes They might see getting pregnant (like their friends did) a way to keep that guy around. THAT is why I dont think its ok!

I would hope that the High School wouldnt condone something like that!

And yes the school did pay for it because the students cant just take a page out for themselves and write whatever they want to write in it. It was a page written by one of the yearbook authors and was published by the school. And if she was the one giving the interview (with pic of her and her baby) I doubt its an rumor.

Just because the school published it doesn't mean that they paid for it. It seems to me that you are speculating that they did pay for it. When in reality you have no proof. So they interviewed her. Where in the page did it specifly state that the school paid for it. You just said students couldn't take out a page, so maybe a teacher, a family member, a friends parent, someone else could have?

Well it sounds to me that my interpretation of how the OP's yearbook was set up is correct and that those who assumed that the girl had paid for the page were the ones who assumed incorrectly.

Interpretation IS assumption ;)

Its a 1/3 of a page. Big deal. She got pregnant, had a baby and still managed to come to school and finish out the year. It is something to be proud of even if you dont think it deserves reconigition

But what if she didnt finish out the year. What if she quite right after that year. Would you still be proud of her and be ok with it??

This was my whooole point! Yeah, choosing to have sex and ending up pregnant and TAKING CARE of your own child is great. But dont go run off and get pregnant because one of your friends did and you think its soo neat! And I think tooooo many of high school girls are way to impressionable to see something like that on TV or in a yearbook and be able to make a rational decision. Especially if they are 14 or 15 with a boyfriend pressuring sex or they will break up with them :rolleyes They might see getting pregnant (like their friends did) a way to keep that guy around. THAT is why I dont think its ok!

I must have missed somewhere in the post you said the girl in question has said that is why she had her son. :thinkin

This was my whooole point! Yeah, choosing to have sex and ending up pregnant and TAKING CARE of your own child is great. But dont go run off and get pregnant because one of your friends did and you think its soo neat! And I think tooooo many of high school girls are way to impressionable to see something like that on TV or in a yearbook and be able to make a rational decision. Especially if they are 14 or 15 with a boyfriend pressuring sex or they will break up with them :rolleyes They might see getting pregnant (like their friends did) a way to keep that guy around. THAT is why I dont think its ok!



Just because YOU might have run off and had sex because of a yearbook page doesn't mean others would. Not saying YOU would, you get my point, hopefully.

I must have missed somewhere in the post you said the girl in question has said that is why she had her son. :thinkin

Don't feel bad, I missed that part too, probably sometime during my "freak out" session.

Casey how do you know that this particular girl wasnt ready to have a care for this child? Its possible she doesnt see the baby as an "accessory". I think a big stink is getting made over nothing without all the details being known

It is a reality. I was a teen parent and I am proud to say that I have raised my children well.

I am not encouraging teenagers to become parents...but teens who DO become parents and work hard can be very successful.

I know this....(if my child saw a page about someone else having a baby or pregnancy in high school yearbook)....if that "made my child think oh how cool I want one too or some how gave my child the idea that it was ok....then there are bigger problems going on in my house. You can see this stuff everywhere. Mistakes happen, girls get pregnant. If it was one of my daughters, it would suck...yeah it would be really hard and heartbreaking, but we would get through it and I would be so proud of her if she did the right thing and continued on with her head held high!

Just because the school published it doesn't mean that they paid for it. It seems to me that you are speculating that they did pay for it. When in reality you have no proof. So they interviewed her. Where in the page did it specifly state that the school paid for it. You just said students couldn't take out a page, so maybe a teacher, a family member, a friends parent, someone else could have?


In the yearbooks out here, you cant do that. There are only certain designated pages that the PARENTS of the students can take out. In the regular pages, the SCHOOL pays for, prints and publishes them! I worked on our yearbooks all 4 years I was in school, I know how our yearbooks out here work.

I know this....(if my child saw a page about someone else having a baby or pregnancy in high school yearbook)....if that "made my child think oh how cool I want one too or some how gave my child the idea that it was ok....then there are bigger problems going on in my house. You can see this stuff everywhere. Mistakes happen, girls get pregnant. If it was one of my daughters, it would suck...yeah it would be really hard and heartbreaking, but we would get through it and I would be so proud of her if she did the right thing and continued on with her head held high!

Well said

Do you know for a fact that she didnt finish out the year? Or is that an assumption too?

Even if she did not manage to finish out the year yeah I would still be proud because she didnt try to flush that baby or throw him out in the garbage.

Interpretation IS assumption ;)

I don't know why you feel that because I correctly assumed that this page was not paid for by the student, while you incorrectly assumed that she paid for it and was therefore entitled to write whatever she wants proves your point. I no more assumed that all yearbooks were like mine than you assumed alls were like yours.

I guess the yearbook debate boils down to everyones yearbook is different.

In MY HS we could purchase a page and do what we wanted with it. The money went to a designated organization.

I know this....(if my child saw a page about someone else having a baby or pregnancy in high school yearbook)....if that "made my child think oh how cool I want one too or some how gave my child the idea that it was ok....then there are bigger problems going on in my house. You can see this stuff everywhere. Mistakes happen, girls get pregnant. If it was one of my daughters, it would suck...yeah it would be really hard and heartbreaking, but we would get through it and I would be so proud of her if she did the right thing and continued on with her head held high!

exactly. hello lifetime movie network anyone

In the yearbooks out here, you cant do that. There are only certain designated pages that the PARENTS of the students can take out. In the regular pages, the SCHOOL pays for, prints and publishes them! I worked on our yearbooks all 4 years I was in school, I know how our yearbooks out here work.

:lol

Guess me saying that my yearbook was different from the next town's yearbook fell on your deaf ears.

NOT ALL YEARBOOKS ARE THE SAME. Even in the same COUNTY, yearbooks can be VASTLY different.

In the yearbooks out here, you cant do that. There are only certain designated pages that the PARENTS of the students can take out. In the regular pages, the SCHOOL pays for, prints and publishes them! I worked on our yearbooks all 4 years I was in school, I know how our yearbooks out here work.

Things change year to year and different schools do different things. When I was in high school...yeah it was loooong ago, we could buy pages in the yearbook.

I guess the yearbook debate boils down to everyones yearbook is different.

In MY HS we could purchase a page and do what we wanted with it. The money went to a designated organization.

Oh, don't waste your typing, SOME people are refusing to see the logic in "every yearbook is different" :giggle

Yeah, I think there are WAY too many assumtions of the details. Not enough facts. Everything is getting twisted into what people are precieving(sp?) to be right.

I don't know why you feel that because I correctly assumed that this page was not paid for by the student, while you incorrectly assumed that she paid for it and was therefore entitled to write whatever she wants proves your point. I no more assumed that all yearbooks were like mine than you assumed alls were like yours.

Thank you! I stated several times that this page was not bought out by her, her parents, a teacher or anyone else but the SCHOOL!

I know this....(if my child saw a page about someone else having a baby or pregnancy in high school yearbook)....if that "made my child think oh how cool I want one too or some how gave my child the idea that it was ok....then there are bigger problems going on in my house. You can see this stuff everywhere. Mistakes happen, girls get pregnant. If it was one of my daughters, it would suck...yeah it would be really hard and heartbreaking, but we would get through it and I would be so proud of her if she did the right thing and continued on with her head held high!

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Having 4 daughters myself, I already worry about this subject. If anything I would see it (tv or yearbooks) as an opportunity to talk to them about teen pregnancy. Of course I plan on talking to them before that!

I don't know why you feel that because I correctly assumed that this page was not paid for by the student, while you incorrectly assumed that she paid for it and was therefore entitled to write whatever she wants proves your point. I no more assumed that all yearbooks were like mine than you assumed alls were like yours.

Yeah, the difference between us is that YOU are saying that WE are just assuming, while YOUR assumptions are called "interpretation". Same diff.

I like how you say you "correctly" assumed, while we all "incorrectly" assumed. That made me laugh. Thank you.

Thank you! I stated several times that this page was not bought out by her, her parents, a teacher or anyone else but the SCHOOL!

Do you go to her school?

Oh, don't waste your typing, SOME people are refusing to see the logic in "every yearbook is different" :giggle
:giggle Whoa, this went from a teen pregnany issue to a yearbook issue... BLAST FROM THE PAST! Sounds like HS again.


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Do you have the yearbook Casey? Anyway you can scan the page so we can all read it for ourselves?

Thank you! I stated several times that this page was not bought out by her, her parents, a teacher or anyone else but the SCHOOL!

Well, I think if you are that concerned about it...maybe you should call or write the school and ask? Let them know how you feel about it :dunno

NO ONE in this debate KNOWS how THAT yearbook is put together.

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Guess me saying that my yearbook was different from the next town's yearbook fell on your deaf ears.

NOT ALL YEARBOOKS ARE THE SAME. Even in the same COUNTY, yearbooks can be VASTLY different.

Tawny, please do not attack me. I dont appreciate you making the deaf ears comment. And I have tried explaining to you several times EXACTLY what you just said! You kept assuming that this yearbook could have been done the way yours was, I KNOW it wasnt done any other way than the way I SAID it was!

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Tawny, please do not attack me. I dont appreciate you making the deaf ears comment. And I have tried explaining to you several times EXACTLY what you just said! You kept assuming that this yearbook could have been done the way yours was, I KNOW it wasnt done any other way than the way I SAID it was!

I didn't make any deaf ears comments until you told me to back up and stop freaking out. So.... pot meet kettle?

And you kept assuming it couldn't POSSIBLY be done the same way as mine.

You have NO IDEA, do you? You THINK you know, but DO YOU?? Have you CALLED THAT SCHOOL?

Tawny, please do not attack me. I dont appreciate you making the deaf ears comment. And I have tried explaining to you several times EXACTLY what you just said! You kept assuming that this yearbook could have been done the way yours was, I KNOW it wasnt done any other way than the way I SAID it was!

You know...I am not one to normally defend Tawny (no offense Tawny), but I really don't see her attacking you...she is debating this just like the rest of us. Many of us are also disagreeing with you yet, it really does seem like you are singling her out :dunno

Just because she is 15 or 16 or 17 or whatever doesnt mean she cant be a responsible good parent. Yeah she might have to live at home but so what. There are plenty of mothers (and sometimes whole family's) that have to rely on family to give them a place to live and stuff. Does that mean they shouldnt be proud of their child and want to hide it?

She made a mistake probably. If she isnt letting it be the end of her world I think everyone else should STFU about HER life.

I would not care having a baby is most likely going to be one of the most memorable things to happen in anyone's life. If she was asked to tell her story OR as was most likely the case paid for that spot how dare anyone censor it.

Should any photos that might show a pregnant teen be removed as well? It is something that happens hiding it won't change it, & can only make it worse. It is better to let these girls KNOW what is going on because MANY of them have the belief that it can't happen to them. They are not educated about sex or reproduction. Many don't know that oral sex IS sex they think it doesn't count. they think they can't get STD's from it. So I think we have a HUGE problem and the more people try to cover it up, or ignore it the worse it will get.

The girl in question (on the show) still lives at home. How do we know that is not what her parents want? Some parents want them to stay at home so that they can finish high school. I know that if I had a daughter and she got pregnant I would be helping her to make sure she got through high school & if she wanted college. An education gives her & the child a better chance.

I know many divorced women that end up having to move back home for a time after the divorce it's no different. It doesn't automatically make you a bad mother either. The fact that she made a poor choice in a BF doesn't make her a bad mother either. How many military wives have you known that were cheated on, or abused? Did it make them bad mothers because they married assholes?

:clap Well said green~mammy!

I was a teenage mother, got pregnant at 16 and had him at 17, and the father and I stayed at my parents house in the basement apartment. No we didn't pay rent but the four months that we were there after my son was born allowed me to finish school and us to save money and get our own place. We bought a house the next year, when I was 18! I don't think it is bad to have it on tv or in a yearbook, its happening either way, so why shouldn't it be documented.

Do you go to her school?

as a matter of fact I DID!! That was the SAME school I was in the yearbook class for 4 years of! I know how they do it!!! And before anyone ASSUMES that I dont have the "facts" I was at that school the year that it happened!!! I was in the yearbook room WHILE she was being interviewed!

Just because she is 15 or 16 or 17 or whatever doesnt mean she cant be a responsible good parent. Yeah she might have to live at home but so what. There are plenty of mothers (and sometimes whole family's) that have to rely on family to give them a place to live and stuff. Does that mean they shouldnt be proud of their child and want to hide it?

She made a mistake probably. If she isnt letting it be the end of her world I think everyone else should STFU about HER life.

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So basically, any person who is not capable of standing on their own two feet and raising a child shouldn't have one? So what if she was in HS. Just because she lives with her parents doesn't make her less of a mother to that child does it?

DOES IT?

Do you have the yearbook Casey? Anyway you can scan the page so we can all read it for ourselves?


NO I dont have it here, Its in storage.

as a matter of fact I DID!! That was the SAME school I was in the yearbook class for 4 years of! I know how they do it!!! And before anyone ASSUMES that I dont have the "facts" I was at that school the year that it happened!!! I was in the yearbook room WHILE she was being interviewed!

Why didnt you say something about it then? Did you disagree with it then or just recently?

as a matter of fact I DID!! That was the SAME school I was in the yearbook class for 4 years of! I know how they do it!!! And before anyone ASSUMES that I dont have the "facts" I was at that school the year that it happened!!! I was in the yearbook room WHILE she was being interviewed!

Interesting that those... facts come out NOW, after all this.

I'm just sayin'

Having 4 daughters myself, I already worry about this subject. If anything I would see it (tv or yearbooks) as an opportunity to talk to them about teen pregnancy. Of course I plan on talking to them before that!

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Teen pregnancy supposedly being "glorified" in things like that will only give me more to go off of to help prevent it with my kids. It is only as glorified as you as a parent will let it be...

I think its a good thing to show teens what would happen if they did become pregnant. Shows them what to do, and how not to panic...I know its not good for teens to go out and get pregnant but when its done there really isn't much you can do.

NO ONE in this debate KNOWS how THAT yearbook is put together.


Tawny! I just said several time that I DO KNOW HOW THE YEARBOOKS ARE DONE! I was in yearbook for 4 years AT THAT SCHOOL (for the 4th time)

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So basically, any person who is not capable of standing on their own two feet and raising a child shouldn't have one? So what if she was in HS. Just because she lives with her parents doesn't make her less of a mother to that child does it?

DOES IT?

Nope not at all. She can still be a good mother. And if that is showing other kids something bad then their parents arent doing their job

Tawny! I just said several time that I DO KNOW HOW THE YEARBOOKS ARE DONE! I was in yearbook for 4 years AT THAT SCHOOL (for the 4th time)

Yeah and I also said what YOU quoted BEFORE you said that. Timestamps are your friend.

SO why didn't you tell us THAT in the beginning?

I didn't make any deaf ears comments until you told me to back up and stop freaking out. So.... pot meet kettle?

And you kept assuming it couldn't POSSIBLY be done the same way as mine.

You have NO IDEA, do you? You THINK you know, but DO YOU?? Have you CALLED THAT SCHOOL?

For the 5th time...

I WENT TO THAT SCHOOL! I WORKED ON THE YEARBOOK FOR YEARS!

Teen pregnancy happens, period.

I think making movies and shows with a teen parent is a good idea because it shows others that it's really not a piece of cake. I don't think it's telling other teens "hey go have sex and get knocked up".

There's alot of factors that we don't know about the story. Alot of "what if's" are being thrown out. Who cares if it's in the yearbook - it's her most memorable moment of that year, get over it.

Regardless of whether or not the school bought it or she bought it, what does it matter? They did a whole page article on a football player at my high school was an MVP, but also took advantage of every girl he met. I didn't agree with it, but I don't care! It's just a page in the yearbook! Does that mean that everyone looking at that picture of the MVP is gonna start date-raping? NO!

I am more concerned with worrying about teaching my child to make the right decisions for THEM than criticizing or chastising the girl that got preggo in high school.

And for those that say that there was no preggos in their class. 1 million teens get pregnant EACH year. So just because they weren't at your school, or you didn't know/see her, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

For the 5th time...

I WENT TO THAT SCHOOL! I WORKED ON THE YEARBOOK FOR YEARS!

Holy Shit, Casey, and for the THIRD time, what you keep quoting was all said BEFORE YOU REVEALED THAT YOU WENT TO THAT SCHOOL. :banghead

For the 5th time...

I WENT TO THAT SCHOOL! I WORKED ON THE YEARBOOK FOR YEARS!

Casey chill. YOu just now started saying that you worked on that particular yearbook.

so basically your saying that the girl should not have been allowed in the yearbook...that her memories and feelings should have just been swept under the rug? That it is ok for you to judge this girl or other teen mom's that want to have their memories in the yearbook?

It's like running full speed at a brick wall to talk to you right now Casey. JMO

Why didnt you say something about it then? Did you disagree with it then or just recently?

I disagreed with it then too, and it was a HUGE issue at our school, but the majority of people didnt even see it until it was published. I didnt even know what the full story was about until it was published.

In the yearbooks out here, you cant do that. There are only certain designated pages that the PARENTS of the students can take out. In the regular pages, the SCHOOL pays for, prints and publishes them! I worked on our yearbooks all 4 years I was in school, I know how our yearbooks out here work.

Honestly if that was the case you and knew first hand, why did it take over 4 pages of this before you finally said this was a FACT not a SPECULATION? :rolleyes You can not give half the information in a debate expect it to go in a certain direction if you plan on leaving out important details such as this.

so basically your saying that the girl should not have been allowed in the yearbook...that her memories and feelings should have just been swept under the rug? That it is ok for you to judge this girl or other teen mom's that want to have their memories in the yearbook?

Apparently!

Honestly if that was the case you and knew first hand, why did it take over 4 pages of this before you finally said this was a FACT not a SPECULATION? :rolleyes You can not give half the information in a debate expect it to go in a certain direction if you plan on leaving out important details such as this.

THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT.

Regardless of whether or not the school bought it or she bought it, what does it matter? They did a whole page article on a football player at my high school was an MVP, but also took advantage of every girl he met. I didn't agree with it, but I don't care! It's just a page in the yearbook! Does that mean that everyone looking at that picture of the MVP is gonna start date-raping? NO!

I am more concerned with worrying about teaching my child to make the right decisions for THEM than criticizing or chastising the girl that got preggo in high school.

And for those that say that there was no preggos in their class. 1 million teens get pregnant EACH year. So just because they weren't at your school, or you didn't know/see her, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

Gawd I swear I (L) you! :giggle...you always say what I am thinking!!!!!!!

Regardless of whether or not the school bought it or she bought it, what does it matter? They did a whole page article on a football player at my high school was an MVP, but also took advantage of every girl he met. I didn't agree with it, but I don't care! It's just a page in the yearbook! Does that mean that everyone looking at that picture of the MVP is gonna start date-raping? NO!

I am more concerned with worrying about teaching my child to make the right decisions for THEM than criticizing or chastising the girl that got preggo in high school.

And for those that say that there was no preggos in their class. 1 million teens get pregnant EACH year. So just because they weren't at your school, or you didn't know/see her, doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

*applause*

Gawd I swear I (L) you! :giggle...you always say what I am thinking!!!!!!!

:lol :shake :glomp :smooch

Back up Tawny!! This was supposed to be a debate. Fogive me for having a different opinion than you!

Debate all you want, but dont feak out if I dont agree with you!

It appears YOU might be the only one freaking out about this.

Honestly if that was the case you and knew first hand, why did it take over 4 pages of this before you finally said this was a FACT not a SPECULATION? :rolleyes You can not give half the information in a debate expect it to go in a certain direction if you plan on leaving out important details such as this.

Because I didnt think that I would have to explain why I was DEBATING this! Its a DEBATE!

SO DEBATE IT AND LEAVE ME ALONE (that was put generally to those who took the debate and ran with it into something else)

so basically your saying that the girl should not have been allowed in the yearbook...that her memories and feelings should have just been swept under the rug? That it is ok for you to judge this girl or other teen mom's that want to have their memories in the yearbook?


This had NOTHING to do with that specific girl!! I was just trying to ask how you would have felt if that was in the yearbook!

Because I didnt think that I would have to explain why I was DEBATING this! Its a DEBATE!

SO DEBATE IT AND LEAVE ME ALONE (that was put generally to those who took the debate and ran with it into something else)

If facts are not put out there, the debatees will assume things. You can NOT get all butthurt and pissed when they make assumptions because YOU didn't put the "FACTS" out there.

I use the term "fact" here loosely.

This had NOTHING to do with that specific girl!! I was just trying to ask how you would have felt if that was in the yearbook!

well then, I would have been fine with it :D

Dont start a debate if you are gonna end up butthurt.

This had NOTHING to do with that specific girl!! I was just trying to ask how you would have felt if that was in the yearbook!

What sunshyne said is pretty much the same for ANY girl whose pregnancy and child were in a yearbook. Doesn't matter WHO she is.

If facts are not put out there, the debatees will assume things. You can NOT get all butthurt and pissed when they make assumptions because YOU didn't put the "FACTS" out there.

I use the term "fact" here loosely.

HOw does the question "how would you feel if their wan an artical about a 15 year old girl having a baby in your childs yearbook?" need facts??? I dont understand why you would need facts to answer that.

HOw does the question "how would you feel if their wan an artical about a 15 year old girl having a baby in your childs yearbook?" need facts??? I dont understand why you would need facts to answer that.

Well, we DID answer. And then YOU started putting more and more "what if"s out there until you decided you needed to throw some facts in the mix.

Why were our OPINIONS not acceptable to you? Just a question?

Well, we DID answer. And then YOU started putting more and more "what if"s out there until you decided you needed to throw some facts in the mix.



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Well, we DID answer. And then YOU started putting more and more "what if"s out there until you decided you needed to throw some facts in the mix.

Why were our OPINIONS not acceptable to you? Just a question?

I only asked 2 questions, so I dont know where you are getting these "what if's" and I never said that your OPINIONS were not acceptable, you (general) kept assuming things and targeting it back at me, so I tried to clear things up, but then I end up with this!

I give up on debating, it doesnt feel fair anymore because it seems to me like the majority wins and eveyone should have the same opinion :rolleyes

Closed per OP request.