do you guys believe that if a under age girl lies about her age and gets into a bar, meets an older guy, has sex with him and gets pregant. that the minor or the minors mother can press charges, even though the girl lied about how old she was????????

do you guys believe that if a under age girl lies about her age and gets into a bar, meets an older guy, has sex with him and gets pregant. that the minor or the minors mother can press charges, even though the girl lied about how old she was????????

see this is a touchy thing for me. my initial reaction is no because she lied and unless he knows her from somewhere then no he shouldn't be charged. i don't know it's a tough call.

i say yes...the mother can and should press charges not only against the older man but also against the bar that she was in...the bar, not for sexual charges but for not checking id properly or allowing minors in what ever the case would be.

I do not think he should be charged at all. I mean shes the one who lied about her age. Most guys arent going to stop and ask for ID :lol sorry I thought that was funny.

i say yes...the mother can and should press charges not only against the older man but also against the bar that she was in...the bar, not for sexual charges but for not checking id properly or allowing minors in what ever the case would be.

i don't know about you but alot of teens look much older. i know i could pass for 18 when i was 15

i say yes...the mother can and should press charges not only against the older man but also against the bar that she was in...the bar, not for sexual charges but for not checking id properly or allowing minors in what ever the case would be.



Now I agree that the mother should be able to press charges against the bar but not the older guy.


How is the guy going to know her age unless she has some type of proof? ex. ID of some sorts.

i say yes...the mother can and should press charges not only against the older man but also against the bar that she was in...the bar, not for sexual charges but for not checking id properly or allowing minors in what ever the case would be.

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As a mother I say I agree.

No. If the girl lies it is her own damned fault. She knew what she was doing when she lied and when she had sex with the man. I honestly think people need to stop looking for other people to blame and deal with themselves and their own children. I do think the bar should get in some kind of trouble for not properly checking ID but like somebody else said, not many men stop to check for ID if the girl already said she was a certain age.

I don't know; i mean, if the girl has an excellent fake id, you can't hold the bar responsible for not knowing that, nor the man. I think if she got into the bar without an id, that'd be different, but the minor has to take responsibility for lying in the first place, and being foolish enough to play those games and get preggos.

IMHO

I've known women who do just that and then trap the man into marrying her because he finds out she's younger. That's sad and NO the man and the bar should NOT be held accountable.

That's ridiculous. The PARENTS should keep up with their kids better. They should know what the little tramp is up to IMO. Blame the bar. That's crazy. You can get a fantastic fake ID for like $50. Bouncers aren't cops.

Just one more reason why you should never sleep with someone unless you know them really well.

Just one more reason why you should never sleep with someone unless you know them really well.
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I've known women who do just that and then trap the man into marrying her because he finds out she's younger. That's sad and NO the man and the bar should NOT be held accountable.

That's ridiculous. The PARENTS should keep up with their kids better. They should know what the little tramp is up to IMO. Blame the bar. That's crazy. You can get a fantastic fake ID for like $50. Bouncers aren't cops.

I agree Bouncers are not cops but to be fair doing their best to keep minors out is part of their job. I know they can't tell everytime they see a fake id but when I was younger I went to bars and half the time the didn't card anyone. I am not saying they all are like that but not everyone does as the should in in those cases the bar should be looked into. Now as far as parents keeping up with kids better, I 100% agree.

That's ridiculous. The PARENTS should keep up with their kids better. They should know what the little tramp is up to IMO. Blame the bar. That's crazy. You can get a fantastic fake ID for like $50. Bouncers aren't cops.

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I don't see how he could be charged. She was allowed into the bar so he would have been under the impression that she was of age. It's not his fault that she used a fake ID to get in. I don't see where it would hold up in court but the mother would have the right to pursue it regardless.

I don't see how he could be charged. She was allowed into the bar so he would have been under the impression that she was of age. It's not his fault that she used a fake ID to get in. I don't see where it would hold up in court but the mother would have the right to pursue it regardless.

doesn't matter he had sex with a minor so it's statutory rape. it has been held in court

How was he supposed to know she was a minor when she was admitted into the bar with an ID that she was legal?? I don't believe it would hold... not in a reputable court with a judge who has any brains at all.

I think it's a sad damn day when a woman intentionally dupes a man into getting her pregnant and then tries to sue him or trap him into marriage. Integrity is non-existent these days :no The girl LIED, that should be what people focus on. He probably feels pretty damn stupid right about now.

How was he supposed to know she was a minor when she was admitted into the bar with an ID that she was legal?? I don't believe it would hold... not in a reputable court with a judge who has any brains at all.

Those seem to be more and more rare as time goes on.

How was he supposed to know she was a minor when she was admitted into the bar with an ID that she was legal?? I don't believe it would hold... not in a reputable court with a judge who has any brains at all.

i agree with you it's stupid and shouldn't be held up but in this society men are the wrong ones when they have an inappropriate relationship

i dont think he should be charged, the bar should tap down on fake i.d.'s really? i mean if she lies and has sex with him, what is he supposed to do, check her id, google a background check on her? i mean come on...there are a lotta men who deserve rape charges and a lot of innocent ones whos futures are ruined becoz of charges like that...:no

all the clubs/bars i've been to have an electronic ID reader so that's how they spot fakes now

i agree with you it's stupid and shouldn't be held up but in this society men are the wrong ones when they have an inappropriate relationship

I think if the facts are presented, it won't hold up. I work in the system down here, criminal court and there is no way that our judges would let that man go to prison.

I think if the facts are presented, it won't hold up. I work in the system down here, criminal court and there is no way that our judges would let that man go to prison.

i know the precedent has been set, don't know if things are changing.

How old was the girl... is this a real case?

How old was the girl... is this a real case?

i don't have the actual case in front of me but i remember learning about it in my criminal justice class. i think she was like 15 or something like that, snuck into a club and had sex with a guy who was like 21 or 22 and her mom charged

do you guys believe that if a under age girl lies about her age and gets into a bar, meets an older guy, has sex with him and gets pregant. that the minor or the minors mother can press charges, even though the girl lied about how old she was????????

Is this an actual case or is this just a general question?

Nope. The girl lied. She obviously wanted to get laid. Not the guys fault. Should guys have to check the ID's of every girl they hook up with? Not in my opinion.

And I also agree that the girls parents should have their asses beat. How does your 14 or 15 year old get out to get to a freaking bar in the first place?? Raise your kids right and we wouldnt have to ask these questions.

How was he supposed to know she was a minor when she was admitted into the bar with an ID that she was legal?? I don't believe it would hold... not in a reputable court with a judge who has any brains at all.

Sadly it would hold up in court. My brother is now a sex offender because the girl AND her PARENTS told my brother she was 18. They played with him and told him all this crap and he believed it, the mom got mad at the girl one day (nothing to do with my brother) and to get "even" with her pressed charges against my brother, who thought she was 18. The judge said it didn't matter because the girl was underage and my brother wasn't, it sucks but sadly it holds up.

Now I agree that the mother should be able to press charges against the bar but not the older guy.


How is the guy going to know her age unless she has some type of proof? ex. ID of some sorts.

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Sadly it would hold up in court. My brother is now a sex offender because the girl AND her PARENTS told my brother she was 18. They played with him and told him all this crap and he believed it, the mom got mad at the girl one day (nothing to do with my brother) and to get "even" with her pressed charges against my brother, who thought she was 18. The judge said it didn't matter because the girl was underage and my brother wasn't, it sucks but sadly it holds up.

Something similar happened to a guy I went to high school with. She was 17, he was 18. The mom didn't care till one day the mom and daughter got into it and so to get back at the daughter, mom called the cops on the guy. He's not on the family watchdog page for "felony carnal knowledge of a minor". :no

Sadly it would hold up in court. My brother is now a sex offender because the girl AND her PARENTS told my brother she was 18. They played with him and told him all this crap and he believed it, the mom got mad at the girl one day (nothing to do with my brother) and to get "even" with her pressed charges against my brother, who thought she was 18. The judge said it didn't matter because the girl was underage and my brother wasn't, it sucks but sadly it holds up.

They probably changed their story too but this is an establishment where IDs are checked at the door.

for all your questions, no this was not a real case, i heard the story on a song and just wanted some opinions!

I think it's a sad damn day when a woman intentionally dupes a man into getting her pregnant and then tries to sue him or trap him into marriage. Integrity is non-existent these days :no The girl LIED, that should be what people focus on. He probably feels pretty damn stupid right about now.

I agree.

No. If the girl lies it is her own damned fault. She knew what she was doing when she lied and when she had sex with the man. I honestly think people need to stop looking for other people to blame and deal with themselves and their own children. I do think the bar should get in some kind of trouble for not properly checking ID but like somebody else said, not many men stop to check for ID if the girl already said she was a certain age.

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I do not think he should be charged at all. I mean shes the one who lied about her age. Most guys arent going to stop and ask for ID :lol sorry I thought that was funny.


Before I met my husband, I dated a cop, and he asked for my ID... :lol

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I know I was taught that the only person at fault in an underage-female sexual encounter was the guy. Regardless of circumstance, the final score is an adult male had sex with an underage female, even if she has a "fake" ID. I can see why this law is in place, since any jerk can take a snapshot of the girl and glue it to a flea market ID card and say she had a valid ID card. Sad thing is, men have done this to themselves. Women aren't notoriously known as rapists, man-isers, bullying husband beaters. The law is in place to protect girls from men.

In this "sexually liberated" society we're living in now, the law has less place than it did 15 years ago. The law should be amended to state that if the girl produces an ID card that appears valid (at the fault of the man if it isn't deemed "appearing valid"), then she should be arrested for falsifying official documents, intent to illegally purchase alcohol, and whatever else laws you can tack on for having an 18 year old ID Card.