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What are your opinions on it?

Hate?

Don't care?

Leave me alone about me and my smoking?

Should pregnant women who smoke be held criminally responsible for their actions against their child?

How do you feel about the anti-smoking campaigns? Helpful, waste of money?

Conspiracy theory with the gov't?


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Hate it, don't want to be around it. I get very upset if someone smokes near my child. I don't want to breathe it in and I think its one of the worst smells too.

Yes, I think people should be held accountable who smoke and/or drink while pregnant. I personally can't even fathom how someone can do that while pregnant, but that's just MY opinion.

I don't really see how its a conspiracy thing with the government. If someone feels that way, I'd love to hear why.

I think anti-smoking campaigns are great. I see to many young people smoking and that saddens me.

I dont smoke. Well I tried it 1 time when I was really drunk and tried to smoke a Newport and it got me sick so I never went back to it. My wife smokes and I wish she would quit only because she sees what it is doing to my grandmother. As a whole I am against smoking and the ads on TV just soldifiy the reasons I do not smoke.

Hate it, don't want to be around it. I get very upset if someone smokes near my child. I don't want to breathe it in and I think its one of the worst smells too.

Yes, I think people should be held accountable who smoke and/or drink while pregnant. I personally can't even fathom how someone can do that while pregnant, but that's just MY opinion.

I don't really see how its a conspiracy thing with the government. If someone feels that way, I'd love to hear why.

I think anti-smoking campaigns are great. I see to many young people smoking and that saddens me.

i agree 100%

I smoke.. trying to quit. I know what it does to me.. LOL I know it's not good.

I HATE HATE HATE HATE IT with a passion.

That is exactly what my gma's lungs look like if not worse. She has died hmm I dunno 3 times from it now. Twice was because of a collapsed lung. She had to have part of it removed. She had cancer. Half her jaw is missing because of cancer. She has emphazemia and COPD from it. PLUS just got diagnosed with something else similar to COPD but dont remember what it was.

She hasent smoked in 2 years or so. She only quit AFTER her lung collapsed the last time and they had to remove part of it.

Ive seen first had how nasty it can be!!!!!!!


As for people who I know who smoke or what not I dont care because that is THEIR decision NOT mine. So no matter how much taking I could to to them telling them how bad it is will NOT change their minds. They have to do it on their own.

I just think its disgusting.


BUT THAT IS JUST MY OPINION!!!!!

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What are your opinions on it?

Hate?

Don't care?

Leave me alone about me and my smoking?

Should pregnant women who smoke be held criminally responsible for their actions against their child?

How do you feel about the anti-smoking campaigns? Helpful, waste of money?

Conspiracy theory with the gov't?


you are free my children to discuss/debate.....

smoking--i've done it, fairly heavily (2 packs a day) and quit. i think it's a gross habit though sometimes i still miss it. i think that the anti-smoking campaigns are great. i think a pregnant woman who knowingly harms her unborn baby should be held responsible for what she does to him/her in utero (that could be drinking, smoking, illegal drugs, etc). i do not want people smoking near my child either

I hate smoking.. my dad used to smoke but quit many moons ago and dh smoked too but quit over a year ago. My grandfather died from lung cancer and it sucked and I hated seeing him like that. For me I think it's everyone's personal choice, just don't force me to share that choice with you. I dont' smoke, never had, never will.

Ok. I hope I don't tick people off but I HATE smoking. I can't stand it. I hate to be around anyone that is smoking or has. I don't like the smoke itself. I hate the smell. I used to be fine with it. In fact, I used to socially smoke and John smoked and dipped when we met. When I got pg though something changed in me and I can not stand it anymore. My FIL and I went rounds for a long time cause he would smoke around me and Breanna (when I was pg and when she was a baby). He finally stopped smoking around us and then he had a heart attack causing him to have a quadruple bypass so he now no longer smokes. John tried to quit dipping when he got back from deployemnt in 2004 but picked smoking back up. I literally begged him if he had to do one than please pick dipping. I'm in love with the no smoking laws. I LOVE LOVE being able to take my kids to a restaurant (well, not here cause we don't have it here but we did in FL. and we just recently now have it OH. when we go home. I'm not sure where else) and not have to worry about my kids breathing the smoke in and smelling smoke while I'm trying to eat. I can't eat when I smell smoke. It turns my stomach, makes me sick, and I lose my appetite. I know there are seperate areas but some places don't make them that seperate. Some just put up a little divider on the back one of the booths and call one side smoking and one side non. Ya, that little divider is going to stop the smoke coming my way when it is in the air.

What are your opinions on it?
Hate?
Don't care?
Leave me alone about me and my smoking?
Should pregnant women who smoke be held criminally responsible for their actions against their child?
How do you feel about the anti-smoking campaigns? Helpful, waste of money?
Conspiracy theory with the gov't?
you are free my children to discuss/debate.....

As a former smoker (5 years, 1 week, and 1 day ago I quit!) I hate the smell of smoke, I actually feel for those who do smoke because it is a very hard habit to break. Even when I was smoking 2+ packs per day, I knew that it was horrible for me but I just couldn't quit because I honestly liked smoking and I wasn't ready to quit. This is after seeing my dad endure double bypass surgery by age 41, have a minor stroke by age 50, etc.

I think that anti-smoking campaigns are helpful to the kids who don't smoke, but I don't think that it helps the people who currently smoke.

well i am a smoker. I dont mind people telling me how bad it is for me. I know it is bad for me. However.... it keeps me sane!! i would be such a bitch if I didnt smoke. I do not think mothers should be held responsible for smoking simply because... sometimes you cant quit. I quit with my 1st two but my 3rd one when I tried to quit, i went into preterm labor and the dr told me to cut back as much as i could but not to quit. There was a lot of stress in my life at that time and smoking was my time out.Plus how many women back in the day smoked and nothing was wrong with thier baby. I am talking long ago before they started all the research. I do think if you can quit whil you are preggo you should, but I do understand that sometimes you just cant. I think keeping young people from smoking is great. BUT there are so many worse things than smoking, I would rather be doing that then addicted to weed, heroine or other drugs. I do not smoke in my house or car.. or around my kids or other kids. I try to avoid smoking around non smokers too.

I smoked when I was in high school.Thank God I found the strength to quit. I hate it now. I can't even smell it without having what seems to be an allergic reaction. I gasp for air. I don't know if my body chemistry changed and now I'm sensitive to it, or what. But I hate it and think it should be illegal.

well i am a smoker. I dont mind people telling me how bad it is for me. I know it is bad for me. However.... it keeps me sane!! i would be such a bitch if I didnt smoke. I do not think mothers should be held responsible for smoking simply because... sometimes you cant quit. I quit with my 1st two but my 3rd one when I tried to quit, i went into preterm labor and the dr told me to cut back as much as i could but not to quit. There was a lot of stress in my life at that time and smoking was my time out.Plus how many women back in the day smoked and nothing was wrong with thier baby. I am talking long ago before they started all the research. I do think if you can quit whil you are preggo you should, but I do understand that sometimes you just cant. I think keeping young people from smoking is great. BUT there are so many worse things than smoking, I would rather be doing that then addicted to weed, heroine or other drugs. I do not smoke in my house or car.. or around my kids or other kids. I try to avoid smoking around non smokers too.
That isn't true ( bolded) its just it was never attributed to smoking.. that is like saying well back in the day people used to drink and nothing was wrong with their kids... not things were wrong, no one put two and two together.. and when you smoke before pregnancy, most doctors will tell you not to quit cold turkey but rather wean off because the sudden shock of lack of nicotine in your body can cause a miscarriage ( early in pregnancy)

My stance on all this...

I was a 2 to 3 a day Marlboro Reds or Camel Wides smoker from the age of 12 till I was 25. The ONLY time i quit was during my pregnancies. So that was a total of how many years for me? :thinking about 10 years. I quit Jan. 1, 2005. Picked it up for one week, didn't even finish the pack this summer. I can NOT stand the smell of smoke. NEVER have. Used to wear a hoodie when I smoked and then take it off change shirts, wash body bathe in perfum.

I can NOT stand ANYONE who willingly smokes while they are pregnant. I have lost friendships over this issue. There is NO tolerance for willingly putting a child's life in danger because of your own selfish needs.

Yes quiting is hard to do. I have struggled with it so many times. But I guess in the end it boils down to battle of the wills. Are you going to be stronger then the addiction or allow it to control you?

It controls me for now LOL

My mom smoked when pregnant with me. She smoked 3 packs a day. This was back in the 70's when they had NO idea it was bad. Am I fine? Yes. Had they of known she has openly said she woulda quit. They were JUST finding out there may be effects. In fact she was a part of a study for UW while pregnant with me

I smoked for MANY years. Knew EXACTLY what it did to me. Seen it first hand and the like. Shock value holds no water with me. I quit when I got pregnant with my son. I started back up again socially after I was no longer breastfeeding. Quit again when I got pregnant with my daughter. I couldnt not do something that even MIGHT have the chance of doing harm to my children. I suffered too many years of infertility for that. Does that mean something woulda happened if I smoked? Maybe. Maybe not. I know plenty of people who smoked and their kids are fine. But I personally couldnt do it.

Unfortuantly in this day and age almost anything can be bad for you and have lasting effects. Caffiene, drinking, breathing smog, dust, fumes, fire, things you eat, some tap waters etc etc I could go on and on and on.

As long as smoking remains legal people are free to choose to smoke. DO I agree with smoking while pregnant? No. Thats why I quit.

I also wanted to add that I think the stop smoking campaings are good for the younger generation. When I was a kid I could walk into a store and buy cigarettes. Had it of been harder I probably wouldnt of smoked so young. As far as pics go in Canada they have pictures on the actual boxes of your smokes. And people still smoke. I think most who smoke KNOW the repurcussions. We are born to die. We live our life and then pass away. This is the thinking for alot of adults. I do however think that for the kids the no smoking campaings are extremely helpful. FOr an adult who smokes I dont think son

I think people should be able to do as they wish with their body....

BUT, I think it is incredibly rude to smoke around other people who do not smoke. If you want to smoke and do that to your body, FINE....but dont make me inhale your second-hand smoke too as you walk by me or come stand next to me blowing it all over the place.

As for smoking while pregnant.... I just have no words for people who do that. It is very sad.

I think there is social smoking and then there is nicotine addiction. I think it's the same as social drinker and alcoholics. My husband smokes and I cannot comprehend something having that much control over me but I do not have an addictive personality really. I don't like smoking at all but I cannot judge what I don't understand in him. My mother can smoke or not, she's picked them up and put them down several times in her life and really had no trouble. My father has been through major life health issues and still will sneak off and get a cigarette. He has a mental addiction and even though he knows the health risk, he still craves the nicotine. I don't know, I just know it's not as cut and dry as loving or hating it. Many people who are addicted hate the fact that they want it but they do. :dunno

I smoke..... but the picture doesn't offend me. I know it's harmful to my health, but speaking for anyone who's ever smoked it's a crutch, and hard to stop.

My mother smoked when she was pregnant with me, my sister and my brother. She has pictures of nursing us, one arm around us, and the other holding a cigarette. We were all born at unhealthy weights. I just don't understand why someone would subject their child to that.

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I smoke..... but the picture doesn't offend me. I know it's harmful to my health, but speaking for anyone who's ever smoked it's a crutch, and hard to stop.


I agree with you. It's not a nasty habit it's an addiction

Extremely hard to quit. I even have chantix in the cabinet that I paid good money for, but still haven't taken it yet.. I want to, but haven't yet.

I was told not to quit when I was preg. I had one M/C for quiting when I was 8 weeks. So not all women can quit. I had 3 a day thats what the DR said would be the least I could smoke. People tend to judge before they know the facts.

I think its disgusting to see a pregnant woman smoking. My SIL smoked with her kids. With her second son they told her he had problems and said that if she stopped smoking and started taking her prenatals he'd have a 95% chance of his problems fixing themselves before he was born. She didn't care. She smoked anyway and didn't take her vitamins. Once he was born the tube the connects his kidneys to his bladder wasn't fully connected so he had to have surgery to fix it. Plus they told her he'd have developmental delays and guess what he does. His life is permentaly affected because she was selfish.

For us its not something we choose to do. We know its bad for us. We both want a long healthy life with our children. Our children know smoking kills. My parents and Johns mom smoke and Cory is always worried about them dying because of it.

I was told not to quit when I was preg. I had one M/C for quiting when I was 8 weeks. So not all women can quit. I had 3 a day thats what the DR said would be the least I could smoke. People tend to judge before they know the facts.

I think the fact is that it does harm your body, and there is a good chance it can harm your child in some way.

Yes, I understand that if you are a smoker and you quit after you get pregnant, that it can increase your chances of having a miscarriage. However, I think if you are *trying* to get pregnant, you should quit before you actually get PG, not after you already are.

I think the fact is that it does harm your body, and there is a good chance it can harm your child in some way.

Yes, I understand that if you are a smoker and you quit after you get pregnant, that it can increase your chances of having a miscarriage. However, I think if you are *trying* to get pregnant, you should quit before you actually get PG, not after you already are.

agree. usually you have to smoke an obscene amount for a dr. to condone smoking while preggo

I was told not to quit when I was preg. I had one M/C for quiting when I was 8 weeks. So not all women can quit. I had 3 a day thats what the DR said would be the least I could smoke. People tend to judge before they know the facts.

I've never heard of that before. I'm sorry for your loss :hugs

I know this is a little off topic BUT I think if you are gonna judge people for smoking or talk about criminal charges while pregnant... you cant just stop at smoking. There are so many other things that are harmful to the fetus that no one says anything about ex: caffiene, sushi, hair color, fake nails...ect. another good point i read said that people rag on pregnant mothers so much for when they are pregnant, but once the child is 2 or three and up its ok to give them candy soda and other things that are unhealthy and stuff like that and no one says very much about it. I do agree you should try to stop smoking when you find out you are pregnant but sometimes it does more harm than good.

Yes, I understand that if you are a smoker and you quit after you get pregnant, that it can increase your chances of having a miscarriage. However, I think if you are *trying* to get pregnant, you should quit before you actually get PG, not after you already are.

This is going to vary from dr to dr tho. I had a previous m/c and took 9.5 years to get pregnant with my son. I was told quitting was the BEST thing I could do. EVen if I just cut down that was still 1 less cigarette but quitting was the best. Which I did

As for smoking while trying. After TTC for 9.5 years and I HAD quit prior to starting ttc I figured why bother. I never thought I would get pregnant. So I quit when I got pregnant.

Smoking was NOT the cause of my infertility. Sure it likely didnt help but it wasnt the cause

I know this is a little off topic BUT I think if you are gonna judge people for smoking or talk about criminal charges while pregnant... you cant just stop at smoking. There are so many other things that are harmful to the fetus that no one says anything about ex: caffiene, sushi, hair color, fake nails...ect. another good point i read said that people rag on pregnant mothers so much for when they are pregnant, but once the child is 2 or three and up its ok to give them candy soda and other things that are unhealthy and stuff like that and no one says very much about it. I do agree you should try to stop smoking when you find out you are pregnant but sometimes it does more harm than good.

:agree

Not to mention the druggies and alchy's in the world that don't stop.. :scared

I wish they had a rehab for smokers :thinking I'd go in a heartbeat :lmao

I know this is a little off topic BUT I think if you are gonna judge people for smoking or talk about criminal charges while pregnant... you cant just stop at smoking. There are so many other things that are harmful to the fetus that no one says anything about ex: caffiene, sushi, hair color, fake nails...ect. another good point i read said that people rag on pregnant mothers so much for when they are pregnant, but once the child is 2 or three and up its ok to give them candy soda and other things that are unhealthy and stuff like that and no one says very much about it. I do agree you should try to stop smoking when you find out you are pregnant but sometimes it does more harm than good.

Correct you shouldnt judge. but people judge no matter what. you will judge whom judge you etc. I did quit while pregnant. both times. So you CAN just quit. And I had smoked for many years. Smoking is an addiction tho and a person can only quit if they want to...I also quit caffiene, all fish, cut out alot of candy, no lunchmeat etc.

I know this is a little off topic BUT I think if you are gonna judge people for smoking or talk about criminal charges while pregnant... you cant just stop at smoking. There are so many other things that are harmful to the fetus that no one says anything about ex: caffiene, sushi, hair color, fake nails...ect. another good point i read said that people rag on pregnant mothers so much for when they are pregnant, but once the child is 2 or three and up its ok to give them candy soda and other things that are unhealthy and stuff like that and no one says very much about it. I do agree you should try to stop smoking when you find out you are pregnant but sometimes it does more harm than good.

In reference to the bolded part...I gave up ALL of those things when I was pregnant. I realize that alot of people won't however. But, I also think that comparing things like caffeine and smoking is two very different things.

We as a society KNOW for a fact how much damage smoking can do. So seeing a pregnant woman smoking just hits a nerve with alot of people. Seeing a pregnant woman drinking a coke is just not going to strike the same chord, KWIM?

:agree

Not to mention the druggies and alchy's in the world that don't stop.. :scared

I wish they had a rehab for smokers :thinking I'd go in a heartbeat :lmao

My father did hypnosis after smoking 2 packs a day for over 20 years, and it worked :thumbsup

Correct you shouldnt judge. but people judge no matter what. you will judge whom judge you etc. I did quit while pregnant. both times. So you CAN just quit. And I had smoked for many years. Smoking is an addiction tho and a person can only quit if they want to...I also quit caffiene, all fish, cut out alot of candy, no lunchmeat etc.


You cant always just quit! I quit with my 1st two but with my 3rd when i tried to quit, i went into preterm labor at 23 weeks. Granted there was a lot of shit going on... my youngest was 7 months, oldest 2 1/2 and my husband at the time had just left for deployment. The dr TOLD me quitting at that time would cause me to loose the baby! Its great that you were able to quit, but cant be done by all women. Different people handle things differently.

We as a society KNOW for a fact how much damage smoking can do. So seeing a pregnant woman smoking just hits a nerve with alot of people. Seeing a pregnant woman drinking a coke is just not going to strike the same chord, KWIM?

Off topic but that did irk me when I saw it. And that was after my ob said caffiene was ok in moderation. I gave it up tho so I think it looked funny to me. I understand your point tho and thats a great comparison.

my best friend smoked with all 4 of her kids and actually gave me shit for quitting when i got pregnant :lol

You cant always just quit! I quit with my 1st two but with my 3rd when i tried to quit, i went into preterm labor at 23 weeks. Granted there was a lot of shit going on... my youngest was 7 months, oldest 2 1/2 and my husband at the time had just left for deployment. The dr TOLD me quitting at that time would cause me to loose the baby! Its great that you were able to quit, but cant be done by all women. Different people handle things differently.
agreed. different people handle things different. your dr had no scientific proof quitting woulda harmed your baby tho. he told you to not quit so as to not add any more stress and was covering all bases ;)

Cutting down is the next best thing if 1 cannot quit while pregnant. And i am not 1 to judge. I started smoking again after i quit breastfeeding my first and then quit again with my 2nd

i had my first smoke when 9. So i am defintly not 1 to judge. But anyone can quit. yeah its hard but they have to WANT to for themselves. It takes the average person 7 attempts.

My father did hypnosis after smoking 2 packs a day for over 20 years, and it worked :thumbsup

If this Chantix Pill doesn't work, hypnosis might be my only other option :dunno

Ok I hate smoking DH finally quit too. I will say I have an ex father in law dying of lung cancer now cause of his wife who always smoked around him.
I have also taken care of a girl who is now 9 and whose mom drank and smoked while she was preggos and as a result she was born 3 months early and the little girl has fetal alcohol syndrome. They finally took her away from her mom and put her with her grandma. cause the one things the dr told them not to do around her due to her being a preemie and such was not to smoke cause it would trigger her asthma. She is thriving now...but is very small as a result of her birth problems...and the sad thing....it was all preventable by the mother who chose not to give up stuff for her baby.

Off topic but that did irk me when I saw it. And that was after my ob said caffiene was ok in moderation. I gave it up tho so I think it looked funny to me. I understand your point tho and thats a great comparison.

my best friend smoked with all 4 of her kids and actually gave me shit for quitting when i got pregnant :lol

I gave up caffeine too...I guess I just meant that for me, If I saw a pregnant woman drinking a coke, it wouldn't be the same as if I saw a pregnant woman smoking. My feelings would be different on the matter.

If this Chantix Pill doesn't work, hypnosis might be my only other option :dunno

Either way, I have confidence that you can do it! :hugs Good luck

There are so many other things that are harmful to the fetus that no one says anything about ex: caffiene, sushi, hair color, fake nails...ect. another good point i read said that people rag on pregnant mothers so much for when they are pregnant, but once the child is 2 or three and up its ok to give them candy soda and other things that are unhealthy and stuff like that and no one says very much about it. I do agree you should try to stop smoking when you find out you are pregnant but sometimes it does more harm than good.


In response to this...

I do not understand why ANY mother puts her baby while still in utero or alive and running around, in harms way with ANY thing. But then again I have done things against the norm too. I have gotten my nails done, hair relaxed, dyed, drank a pepsi once a month, etc.

Acyrlic Nails... it's all a matter of DOSAGE of the solvents. I know that almost every nail shop I have been too they have always given pregnant women masks to wear, sat them in a well ventalated area to ensure the solvent levels are not ridiculously high. It is NOT the actual nails it's the SOLVENTS they warn you against.

Caffiene... Once again in moderation. But MOST mothers do make the effort to cut it out altogether for the welfare of their child.

Hair Dye... I have never been told I can't, just told to be aware of it being Toxin-Free, don't leave the dye on beyond the recommended time, rinse hair well, and use gloves. But then again that is the SAME instructions they tell non pregnant people too. The levels of the toxins absorbed into a body from dyes still have not been written down in cememnt yet.

As for sugar and toddlers.. Parents should NOT be giving that to their children. Its sad that parents ignore that these sugar levels are harmful to their children. More parents should be forced into classes regarding this. I know for myself, that I can not stand at all seeing small children with rotted teeth walking around with a soda can. :banghead

Either way, I have confidence that you can do it! :hugs Good luck

Thanks Kara! I'm gonna need a whole lotta support once I start taking them! LOL

I think the fact is that it does harm your body, and there is a good chance it can harm your child in some way.

Yes, I understand that if you are a smoker and you quit after you get pregnant, that it can increase your chances of having a miscarriage. However, I think if you are *trying* to get pregnant, you should quit before you actually get PG, not after you already are.


Both of my kids are B/C babies. Depo with my son and IUD with dd. I totally agree if you are trying to get pg to quit.

Ok, time for my .02 cents :lol

I smoke, a pack of Newport 100's a day ((Cough, Cough))

I don't like it, Im addicted to it. I don't smoke around my child. I go on the back porch to smoke, and I do it alone. I don't smoke around non-smokers. And I also dont smoke ANYWHERE indoors. Its MY addiction, MY problem. I do NOT make it everyone elses problem.

The way I see it is this, If im going to quit, im going to quit, so be it. If not, im not harming anyone else by smoking on my back porch. I wouldnt smoke pregnant, and the picture of the nasty lungs doesnt affect me either way. YES, Ive seen people die of lung cancer, its horrible. But so are plane crashes, and im not scared to fly.

As for non-smoking campaigns, I think they are great. Though, if someone is going to smoke, there isnt much were gonna do to stop them, peer pressure is a nasty thing.

JMO

I use to be a heavy smoker (a habit started at Military school due to stress) about two packs a day but I finally quit when I moved back home. Db use to smoke but ad to quit when he left for Basic but I know that he still dips. I personally think that it is a gross habit but for me I was so addicted to it that I couldnt just stop. I agree that if a woman knowingly harms her unborn baby she should be held responsible for it.

okay, this is MY personal opinions as a smoker...i've seen the black lung since i was in health class in highschool. unfortunately, it does nothing to deter me. neither do the anti-smoking campaigns. whenever i see one of those truth commercials, all it does is make me defensive and angry and i want to go have a cigarette.

now, the campaigns are probably very good for people who haven't started smoking yet. for me personally, i'm not going to quit because of a TV ad. i have to want to quit for it to work and unfortunately, i don't want to right now.

I hate cigarette smoke & refuse to be around anyone that smokes! Both my kids & I have asthma. It's not fair for us to be subjected to people smoking & put our lives at risk for their habit! I am so against it that we don't even see my parents because my Mom is a chain smoker. And when my sister comes to visit, we take her & wash her clothes a couple of times before she can even set foot inside my house.

Yes I think anyone who knowingly smokes when pregnant should have criminal charges against them!

I think the governement should be doing MORE with the anti-smoking campaigns! The town we live in & the city surrounding it both have smoking bans! I think it is awesome & should be done everywhere!

Well, I am going to get alot of shit about this..but that is fine..


I smoke and I have tried to quit and it got me nowhere...

I hate ashtrays, I hate the way I smell, but I just can't quit.

as far as pregnant women smoking.. how can you really say they should or shouldn't be charged?? I mean, some women smoke and have healthy kids.. some people don't smoke and have sick kids.. I don't think it's actually the smoking.. I think it's all about what was going/meant to happen to begin with.. Although (not to be a hypocrite) I wouldn't recommend smoking while pregnant.

ok, I am in an honest mood and I just have to say...

I have three kids.. The oldest, I didn't smoke with and she has allergies and congestion problems.. The 2nd, I smoked with and he has absolutely NO problems with his lungs or with development issues.. He at 2 talks as good as a 4 or 5 year old with great comprehension and all... My 3rd.. Well, we all know I have had so many issues with Jacob and RSV and stuff.. I smoked with Jacob yes.. but he was born healthy, not premature or underweight and his lungs were perfect at birth. 4 weeks old he caught a cold from Colin and developed RSV...I beat myself up for a really long time because I thought he got this from me smoking.. but the more I talked to the doctors I found out, my smoking while pregnant was NOT EVEN a concern..It didn't cause it and I also found out that the only problem they would have even worried about was underweight... Anyhow.. I don't recommend smoking while pregnant.. I do think if I HADNT smoked then maybe Jacob would be healthier but at the same time I know it wasn't my fault and he will out grow this.. Am I bad mom for that, no.. do i deserve to go to jail, no...do I deserve to NOT have kids NO...

editing to add... if I could do it over again, NO I wouldn't smoke ever!!!!!

I smoke, and so does dh-though a pack will last us a week, sharing-we have cut down to two or three cigs a day. We do not smoke indoors or around our son!!!!

I don't think smoking is any worse than tanning or any other "cancer causing activity" so long as you keep it to yourself!! People who smoke in non-smoking areas really piss me off!

all i can say is I QUIT... 9 days going strong!:tu:tu

I think smoking is absolutely repulsive.

I think people who allow their young children to be exposed to cigarette smoke are bad parents... and mothers who smoke (or drink, or use drugs) while pregnant should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If you're willing to knowingly subject your unborn child to such harm... you're unfit to be a parent. jmo.

I also think "smoker's rights" are, for the most part, a bunch of bull.

I don't care if you smoke... do what makes you happy. But I don't think anyone else should be forced to suffer because of your nasty habits. (you in general).

That said... I really do appreciate respectful smokers.

I was told not to quit when I was preg. I had one M/C for quiting when I was 8 weeks. So not all women can quit. I had 3 a day thats what the DR said would be the least I could smoke. People tend to judge before they know the facts.

I didn't read your post before posting mine. I'm sorry for your loss. Thanks for pointing that out... it's not something that even crossed my mind. But now that I think about it, I have heard of cases like that before.... I guess it is important to consult a physician to decide what's more harmful.

I like the anti tobacco slogans and I think they work...my sister and her friends like them alot.

I think smoking is absolutely repulsive.

I think people who allow their young children to be exposed to cigarette smoke are bad parents... and mothers who smoke (or drink, or use drugs) while pregnant should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If you're willing to knowingly subject your unborn child to such harm... you're unfit to be a parent. jmo.

I also think "smoker's rights" are, for the most part, a bunch of bull.

I don't care if you smoke... do what makes you happy. But I don't think anyone else should be forced to suffer because of your nasty habits. (you in general).

That said... I really do appreciate respectful smokers.

ok, I am not arguing but I am saying that just because I smoked it does not make me a bad parent.. I was told several times NOT to quit..even now my doctor tells me to put it on the "back burner" because of anxiety and ppd... now that is not my excuse.. I will tell you, I can't quit!! honestly and when I was pregnant, I tried plenty of times to quit and sometimes would make it days without but then I was back to that same old issue of nervousness, anxiety, etc...which is why I was told not to..

all i can say is I QUIT... 9 days going strong!:tu:tu

Awesome, CONGRATS!!!!

ok, I am not arguing but I am saying that just because I smoked it does not make me a bad parent.. I was told several times NOT to quit..even now my doctor tells me to put it on the "back burner" because of anxiety and ppd... now that is not my excuse.. I will tell you, I can't quit!! honestly and when I was pregnant, I tried plenty of times to quit and sometimes would make it days without but then I was back to that same old issue of nervousness, anxiety, etc...which is why I was told not to..

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ok, I am not arguing but I am saying that just because I smoked it does not make me a bad parent.. I was told several times NOT to quit..even now my doctor tells me to put it on the "back burner" because of anxiety and ppd... now that is not my excuse.. I will tell you, I can't quit!! honestly and when I was pregnant, I tried plenty of times to quit and sometimes would make it days without but then I was back to that same old issue of nervousness, anxiety, etc...which is why I was told not to..

Guess I should put my foot in my mouth before I speak sometimes. There's always exceptions.... and it sounds like you were one of them. To better clarify, I was more referring to people who are reckless and just don't give a crap. THOSE people are unfit to be parents.

And as for the "bad parents" comment... I was thinking of my own experiences growing up, being trapped inside a car with smoking adults. Intentional or not, I think that's child abuse.

I apologize if I offended you, it wasn't my intention.

it's been a month and a day since my last cigarette. been off the zyban for about 2 weeks. and it's going great. i feel better, i'm no constantly thinking about how i'm going to scheduel in my next cigarette at work, or how i'm going to come up with the money for the next pack, or how i'm going to hide the smoke smell in the car so dh doesn't find out i was smoking in the car.

honestly, sometimes i miss it. i feel like i have a lot of extra time on my hands that i would have spent smoking. it was really hard at first taking the dog out, cause that was when i almost always did it.

i was going to quit before we TTC, but now that i just quit, it'll make it that much more easy.

as far as how i felt about the anti-smoking stuff while i was a smoker...eh. i could take it or leave. i didn't feel strongly any way at all about it.

Guess I should put my foot in my mouth before I speak sometimes. There's always exceptions.... and it sounds like you were one of them. To better clarify, I was more referring to people who are reckless and just don't give a crap. THOSE people are unfit to be parents.

And as for the "bad parents" comment... I was thinking of my own experiences growing up, being trapped inside a car with smoking adults. Intentional or not, I think that's child abuse.

I apologize if I offended you, it wasn't my intention.

Its not that its you that offended me. lol.. I swear! It is just that I know I shouldn't have and I can't go back and change that. I wasn't one who just didn't care... That was not even the case!! but I guess I could've done more.. I didn't though.. so when things like this topic come up I think I am more debating myself...On the other hand I am not going to bully a person who smokes when they are pregnant for the simple fact that I am sure their doctor already has lol and there is a reason why they are still smoking... Anyway, I can relate to being trapped into a car with smoke.. ugh, that is the worst!!! I can't say I have never done it, but I can say that I haven't in a really really really long time and I wouldn't again! Sorry if I came off bitter.. You are entitled to ur opinion as I am mine, that doesn't make you bad or me either I think,....:dunno

Like I stated in my post before, I smoke.. But I dont make my bad habit anyone elses problem. I dont expose my DD to it.

To me, its like drinking and driving, if someone wants to drink in the comforts of their home.. They arent harming me, but please.. Dont get sloshed and make it my problem by causing an accident. Same thing goes for smoking, if I light up out on my back patio, im not harming anyone but ME.

As for smoking while pregnant, im certainly not proud of it.. But I smoked 4 Marlboro Lights a day with Lauren. She was perfect at birth, her weight was fine, apgar scores were perfect and NO breathing problems. But I still feel terrible about it. And with my next child, I wont smoke. You live and learn I suppose.

It pisses me off to see someone smoking in a car or something with a kid, windows rolled up etc. I personally can wait 15 minutes to get out of the car to smoke.

I dont think it makes ANYONE a BAD person, just a bad choice perhaps. If your doing it inside, in a non-smoking place, your wrong. Plain and simple.

I like to have the freedom to know I can smoke in my car if I want to, but I choose not to. It makes your hair and car smell terrible.

Its not that its you that offended me. lol.. I swear! It is just that I know I shouldn't have and I can't go back and change that. I wasn't one who just didn't care... That was not even the case!! but I guess I could've done more.. I didn't though.. so when things like this topic come up I think I am more debating myself...On the other hand I am not going to bully a person who smokes when they are pregnant for the simple fact that I am sure their doctor already has lol and there is a reason why they are still smoking... Anyway, I can relate to being trapped into a car with smoke.. ugh, that is the worst!!! I can't say I have never done it, but I can say that I haven't in a really really really long time and I wouldn't again! Sorry if I came off bitter.. You are entitled to ur opinion as I am mine, that doesn't make you bad or me either I think,....:dunno

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What are your opinions on it?

I hate smoking, I think it's a vile habit that not only slowly kills the person smoking but harms those around them. There are some people who are considerate about their smoking but too many people don't give a crap and think that since it's their right to smoke you have no rights concerning where they can/can't smoke.

I'm not sure what to think about a pregnant woman smoking as it pertains to her being held criminally responsible. I think any woman who refuses to stop is a very selfish individual and I admire the women who do quit for the sake of their babies.

I honestly hope that the anti-smoking campaign is doing some good.

As for smoking while pregnant, im certainly not proud of it.. But I smoked 4 Marlboro Lights a day with Lauren. She was perfect at birth, her weight was fine, apgar scores were perfect and NO breathing problems. But I still feel terrible about it. And with my next child, I wont smoke. You live and learn I suppose.


I dont think it makes ANYONE a BAD person, just a bad choice perhaps. If your doing it inside, in a non-smoking place, your wrong. Plain and simple.



I agree Tiff.. By calling someone an unfit mother due to that reason is 100% offensive to me. Of course I do not smoke around my daughter, in the car, at home..etc. :dunno

I guess I'm an unfit mother.

I have never seen an ad like that... its totally gross and hopefully discourages people from starting.... wow.

I agree Tiff.. By calling someone an unfit mother due to that reason is 100% offensive to me. Of course I do not smoke around my daughter, in the car, at home..etc. :dunno

I guess I'm an unfit mother.
If it makes you an "Unfit" mother to smoke in general, Im unfit as well. Tina, neither of us are unfit because we smoke. Thats ludacris, that would be like saying everyone who drinks is a bad parent. Lets throw that out there... ??? Not cool huh?

If it makes you an "Unfit" mother to smoke in general, Im unfit as well. Tina, neither of us are unfit because we smoke. Thats ludacris, that would be like saying everyone who drinks is a bad parent. Lets throw that out there... ??? Not cool huh?

To clarify first, I don't drink - can't due to my medical conditon.

That being said, when you are personally ingesting alcohol, you are not directly affecting other people around you (as in a social situation, the alcohol isn't toxic to them), so I don't see the alcohol/tobacco comparison to be fair. When someone smokes around someone else, it is directly toxic to them and can definitely affect their health. IMO, there is absolutely no reason that anyone who does not want to be subjected to someone else's cigarette smoke should have to put up with it. Its one of the reasons why I miss California...you couldn't smoke in all the restaurants/public places that I went to. But here in Montana, smoking is widely acceptable and I'm constantly being forced to breathe in those toxic fumes.

Yes, I completely understand that someone who drinks then drives is directly affecting other people around them, and that is something I am strongly against, as well as someone who willingly drinks while pregnant. That is not cool at all.

I agree Tiff.. By calling someone an unfit mother due to that reason is 100% offensive to me. Of course I do not smoke around my daughter, in the car, at home..etc. :dunno

I guess I'm an unfit mother.

I NEVER said that smoking made you an unfit parent. That's not what I was saying at all. I could care less if people want to smoke.

However, I don't think ANYONE would disagree that subjecting your children to cigarette smoke is both harmful and irresponsible.

You obviously are not one of those parents I was referring to, since you don't smoke around your daughter and trap her in a car/house/whatever full of smoke

Take offense if you want... but please go back and reread what I wrote first. :shrug

If it makes you an "Unfit" mother to smoke in general, Im unfit as well. Tina, neither of us are unfit because we smoke. Thats ludacris, that would be like saying everyone who drinks is a bad parent. Lets throw that out there... ??? Not cool huh?

Again in my defense... I NEVER said that smoking makes someone an unfit parent. :dunno

I'm not sure what else I can say to clarify. So I give up.

i choose to smoke, but those who smoke should know the pros and cons before they light up that first inhale...no a women should not smoke when pregnant if she cares about the health of her unborn child.....

What I strongly dislike about the argument from smokers "I dont smoke around people and I am not harming anyone else." Because in reality your smoke outside is carried in the air and someone else in the vicinity is breathing in that smoke. So really you are harming someone else.

Every day I drive with my windows down because I prefer fresh air over the gas guzzling artificial AC. To only have a car pull up next to me at a red light spewing ciggie smoke my way and into my lungs just pisses me off. :sigh

But you are also breathing in gas, fumes, smog and the like. If someone isnt smoking inside somewhere with you, next to you or the like then why be bothered? It bothered me when I was pregnant if someone was smoking near me. But I would walk away or go somewhere else. As someone who did smoke before being pregnant I know it isnt my place to say they CANT do it. If it isnt indoors then no one can really say anything. No one owns the air. Its a free country and even tho it is upsetting, the smoke being filitered outside is no where near if you were sitting indoors next to someone.

Its just one of those things. Until it is illegal then people can smoke where it is allowed regardless if people like it or not. Now I can understand if you are indoors somewhere and the smoke has no where to go. But outdoors its free reign....

Oh I agree Kristi, and I am not saying they can't as I was a former smoker and smoked when I drove too. I was just saying... shit I don't guess I was more pissed about that asshole next to me today at the light who made my hair smell like smoke cause the city of san diego has their heads up their asses to fix the timings on the freaking freeway lights and after 30 minutes later I was just reaking of his smoke and couldn't use AC in the POS. :(

I dont disagree that smoking directly affects those around, and I dont smoke in public. I think its rude to smoke around non-smokers, so I dont do it. Plus its nasty. I hate the habit, it costs me alot of un-nessasary money, it smells bad, and its hurting me physically.

I just bought the patches to try and quit. I didnt know who made the unfit parent remark.. I was just repsonding to it in general.. I smoke in the comfort of my home (Well outside, I HATE smoking indoors)

I can totally see both sides here. I think smoking IS like drinking to an extent, do it responsibly if you must do it at all. And don't let the reprocussions harm those around you.

I dont disagree that smoking directly affects those around, and I dont smoke in public. I think its rude to smoke around non-smokers, so I dont do it. Plus its nasty. I hate the habit, it costs me alot of un-nessasary money, it smells bad, and its hurting me physically.

I just bought the patches to try and quit. I didnt know who made the unfit parent remark.. I was just repsonding to it in general.. I smoke in the comfort of my home (Well outside, I HATE smoking indoors)

I can totally see both sides here. I think smoking IS like drinking to an extent, do it responsibly if you must do it at all. And don't let the reprocussions harm those around you.

It was me. And it was taken extremely out of context.

Like I said before... I appreciate respectful smokers. I wish more were like you!! :)

Take offense if you want... but please go back and reread what I wrote first. :shrug

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I am a smoker too, and I get very annoyed at the constant barrage of people telling me that I shouldn't do it. I am not an idiot, I choose to start smoking despite the risks (although I was 15 at the time and didn't really UNDERSTAND the risks, but no one's fault but my own is the point), it is an ADDICTION that I happen to be struggling to quit and getting constant lectures does NOT help. I am not an inconsiderate smoker, I never do it in public, and I gotta say... the anti-smoking commercials make me want to go have a cigarette. I hate them for other reasons as well, like I think they lie and bend the facts for shock value which drives me bonkers, but they actually make me want to go and smoke. LOL. I don't know why, I can't help it, but I wish they would stop showing them so much sometimes cuz it gets my cravings going crazy.

As for forcing women to be held legally responsible for smoking while pregnant... yeah I am totally against that. LOL. People have the right to do whatever they want in this country, and that DOES extend to parent however they want. Like it or not, they have the right to parent BADLY too. There are a LOT of things I don't like to see parents do to their children, but I don't try to make LAWS about it for goodness sake. What ever happened to freedom in this country? It seems like laws are being made for every possible thing that annoys people. There is pretty much no way to guarantee that smoking was the cause of any birth defects or that it could have been prevented by not smoking. There are so many toxins in the air from car exhaust and other pollutants that there would be women in jail left and right for things they probably had no control over instead of at home raising their kids. So unless non-smokers are ready to deal with being accused of being smokers and taken to jail if their kids are born with any lung problems or any other health problem that could be associated with smoking, I think laws like that need to be avoided. Prevention is the answer, not punishment.

Of course, I am a big picture kinda gal. On a personal note though... I HATE that I am a smoker. I hate having this addiction that so many people find disgusting, that I am actually talked down to like an idiot because of, that people will wholly judge me for before bothering to get to know me, and that costs me so much money. The problem is that it is an ADDICTION. I don't think that most people understand how addiction works. Someday I will quit. I will get the level of will power I need. In the meantime I wish people would leave me alone about it. I have cut down to 4 cigs a day. Not bad for a former pack a day smoker. I am working on it, and getting treated like a child does not help me in my process! :no

Treating smoking like a personality problem doesn't help fix the problem. Smoking is a medical issue, addiction is a medical issue, not just the selfish desires of an asshole out to give you cancer and make you stink. (General you.) I swear, and I know that most smokers would agree with me, being a smoker is not FUN. It is a comfort sometimes, but NOT FUN.

If this Chantix Pill doesn't work, hypnosis might be my only other option :dunno

Hypnosis worked for my FIL!! It was more of a mental pep talk that got him angry at the cigarettes enough to quit them than actually fall asleep and do what I say hypnosis, but it was the only thing that helped him quit!

I've heard good things about Chantix and hypnosis also! The issue with my husband is that as much as he hates it, he's not ready to give it up. I guess it's a scary thing to give up something that has been a crutch to you for so long.

I've heard good things about Chantix and hypnosis also! The issue with my husband is that as much as he hates it, he's not ready to give it up. I guess it's a scary thing to give up something that has been a crutch to you for so long.

I can totally relate to him Sarah. That is exactly my problem. Smoking was a HUGE comfort to me, the one thing I could control and no one could take from me, while I was going through the deaths of my parents, the death of my biological mom, the whole medical discharge, Adam finishing school (which has been so hard on us), etc. I have depended on it to give me a sense of normality, and most of all, a sense of control (even if it is control over something unhealthy) for YEARS now. That makes it a VERY hard addiction to break. More than drugs ever were for me. I am still working on shifting my mindset from cigarettes are something I can control, to cigarettes are something that control me. It's NOT easy!

i think anyone who lights up in this day and age for the first time is very selfish. that being said i've done it, i lit up for the first time when i was 16. it was selfish reasons, i did it to shut everyone else up when i was drinking. 2 years later i quit and haven't had a cigarette since.

Have any of you ever listened to Dennis Leary's No cure for Cancer. He is a very funny commedian and all you smokers will probably get a kick out of his smoking section:)

I can totally relate to him Sarah. That is exactly my problem. Smoking was a HUGE comfort to me, the one thing I could control and no one could take from me, while I was going through the deaths of my parents, the death of my biological mom, the whole medical discharge, Adam finishing school (which has been so hard on us), etc. I have depended on it to give me a sense of normality, and most of all, a sense of control (even if it is control over something unhealthy) for YEARS now. That makes it a VERY hard addiction to break. More than drugs ever were for me. I am still working on shifting my mindset from cigarettes are something I can control, to cigarettes are something that control me. It's NOT easy!

I get that and I try to be sympathetic to him in that respect. It's hard when I see all the money smoked up when we are tight financially. I know with him it's a comfort and a "friend" that calms him and keeps him sane at times. I really do try to be considerate but I just remember how great he felt after bootcamp when he was soooo healthy and felt so great yet he still smoked one the very first chance he got which put him right back to square one. I think hypnosis would be the only way for him, honestly. I don't see him taking a pill that he knows will take away his longtime friend. He will need something psychologically deeper than that.

I don't smoke and I can't not be around anyone who does. It seriously makes me sick to my stomach just to be in the same room, sometimes I will say something to the person, but most of the time I just get up and leave the room.

I can't believe that with all the truth ads that run on TV that so many young kids still smoke! Do they think they are invincible. I work in a cancer treatment center and I have seen it all. A good way to quit smoking is to be around a terminal cancer patient.

Hate it, don't want to be around it. I get very upset if someone smokes near my child. I don't want to breathe it in and I think its one of the worst smells too.

Yes, I think people should be held accountable who smoke and/or drink while pregnant. I personally can't even fathom how someone can do that while pregnant, but that's just MY opinion.

I don't really see how its a conspiracy thing with the government. If someone feels that way, I'd love to hear why.

I think anti-smoking campaigns are great. I see to many young people smoking and that saddens me.

I agree! I told my DH that he needed to quit cause he can kill himself but dont take me with u...I was so happy when he quit though..now I dont have to worry about it anymore.

I think that its very disrespectful that ppl smoke around others that dont. We get the same affect to our lungs and I dont think that's fair when I dont choose to smoke and I dont think that others should choose to do it for me!

Hate it, don't want to be around it. I get very upset if someone smokes near my child. I don't want to breathe it in and I think its one of the worst smells too.

Yes, I think people should be held accountable who smoke and/or drink while pregnant. I personally can't even fathom how someone can do that while pregnant, but that's just MY opinion.

I don't really see how its a conspiracy thing with the government. If someone feels that way, I'd love to hear why.

I think anti-smoking campaigns are great. I see to many young people smoking and that saddens me.


100% agree and I NEVER should have started the week before G came home again. BUT I will quit again :giggle and hopefully stay quit, now that I have some support :D