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Veronica
09-01-2007, 11:18 PM
Okay ladies I am TYPING this entire article from the latest issue of people. I think its a great topic especially since EVERYBODY is blaming everybody else for the levees failing. The article isnt yet on people's website:

Thirty-five people died at sal and mabel mangano's nursing home. Who's to blame?

Tufanio "TJ" Gallodoro's three adutl children didnt know what to do. Two days before Hurrican Katrina came crashing ashore, they began inquiring about the evacuation plans for St. Rita's Nursing Home, where Gallodoro, 82, had lived for the last year. They knew their father, a retired truck driver weakend by strokes, couldnt get out of his wheelchair; they also knew he had never learned to swim-and was dealthly afraid of water. Befoe leaving New Orleans for higher ground, Gallodoro's grandson Shaun Emmons talked to the nursing home's owner, Sal Mangano. "Sal promised us he would get out if ther was a mandatory evacuation called," says Emmons, 28. "sal told me not to take [TJ] with us, that they would take him out in a n ambulance."


When family members drove to St. Rita's in St. Bernard Parish to tell TJ they would be evactuation without him, the old man put up a fight. Says daughter Cheryl Emmons, 53: "I told him, 'No, Daddy, you have special needs and Sal has made arrangements'. He wouldnt look at me after that." TJ turned to his grandson next. "He said, 'Shaun, I'm riding with you,'" Shuan recalls. "He was crying." That was Shaun's last image of his PawPaw. After the levees broke on Aug.29, 2005, 35 of the 59 residents at St. Rita's drowned; TJ was one of them.


The state of lousiana aims to make somebody pay for the St. Rita's tragedy, one of the hurricane's deadliest. So on Aug. 16, their hands entiwined, Sal, 67, and his wife and business partner, Mabel, 64, entered a St. Francisville courtroom two hours northwest of New Orleans to face 35 counts of cruelty to the infirm. The lengty roster of trial witnesses includes not only state and parish officials, but also Governor Kathleen Blanco. "who should bear the blame in ths case?" asks observer Stuart Green, a criminal law professor at Louisaiana state university in baton rouge. "that's really the question."


Prosecutors plan an unforgiving line of attack. " the failure to evacuate, the failure to heed warnings, the failure to accept help...is all the fault of the manganos," assistant AG burton Guidry said in a pretrial motion.


But the manganos are presenting a novel defense, one that has drawn considerable support in New Orleans. The way they see it, their plan to stay put at st. rita's-which sits on high ground and had survived previous hurricanes-worked just fine during the fury of the storm. But what the manganos say they could not foresee was the subsequent disaster- this one caused by human error-when the city's poorly constructed levees gave way and flooded the city. "the cause of this tragedy is not the failure to evacuate," defense attorney Jim cobb aruged at a pretrial hearing. "the cause is the collapse of the levesse, which the Corps of engineers admitted is their fault, and the multiple failures at the state and parish levels." high among those alleged failures: the decision not to issue a mandatory evacuation order.



What makes this case so compelling-and so painful-is that there are sympathetic people on both sides of the aisle. even prosecutor paul knight called the manganos "good people" during his opening statement, and described st. rita's to the 6 member jury as "a good, clean nursing home." mangano supporters find it unconscionable that this pair, devoted since 1983 to serving some of society's most fragile members, is being singled out for having chosen to stay put. Many also think LA Attorney General Charles foti, fresh off his highly publicized failure to secure murder indictments against a doctor and two nurses for the katrina-related deaths of four patients at memorial medical center, is once again overreaching by charging the manganos with negligent homicide. "everyone has been relying on these levees for decades," says dane ciolino, a professor at loyola university school of law in New Orleans. "the manganos did what tens of thousands of other people did: they stayed."



but the gallodoros and other families who lost loved ones at st. rita's feel they were ill-served by the very people to whom they entrusted the care of their frailest relatives. "when you are an administrator in a nursing home, you are held to a different standard, says darlene goring, an lsu law professor. "you are incapcitated; you have to act with extreme caution."


The manganos thought they had. for two decades, they had weathered LA hurricanes with back-up generators, medical equipment and ample stocks of medicine and food. although the couple cannot speak because of a court-imposed gag order, relatives say they felt their charges were safer in the home than they would have been in vehicles on the clogged highways leading from New Orleans. "people evacuated nursing homes and died on buses. we never lost one," says their daughter tammy white, 41. "if the parish had issued a mandatory evacuation order, we would have gone. they didnt".

white emphasizes the love her parents felt for their clients. when a family overlooked a birthday, mabel would buy a card and write a message like, "mommy, i'm thinking of you." Sal, white says, "knew what each of them drank, how many sugars they took in their coffee."

The youger manganos also cared deeply about the home's residents. after the storm, white recalls, her brother Sal Jr. was headed to the roof to make repairs when he saw a 6-ft wall of water rushing toward the home. Inside, the manganos and staffers scrambled to secure the seniors' safety. Sedonia Augustus, a st. rita's employee, described to the court how she was instructed to take people out of their wheelchairs and place them on plastic-wrapped mattresses. Tanner, 22, Sal Jr.'s son, blew out the windows with gunshots so those trapped inside could float free as the water rose to within inches of the single-story home's ceilings in 20 minutes. "our children lost 35 grandmas and grandpas," says a tearful white. "my family is being prosecuted for doing the best they could."


The gallodoros also did the best they could that day. After cheryl learned that st. rita's had not been evacuated, she placed a frantic call to her brother steve, 57, and on-duty firefighter who stayed behind when his family decamped to shreveport. steve got into a boat, she says but as he wended toward st. rita's he was unable to ignore the cries for help coming from rooftops. "by the time he did get there," she says, "it was too late."

Two years on, cheryl remains haunted by an image of her father in the flooding nursing home. "he would have taken the gulp of water in," she says, crying. "he would have been aware of everything." whatever the outcome of the criminal trial, cheryl plans to press ahead with a civil lawsuit, one of 34 filed against the manganos. "its not about the money," she says. "its about making sure these peopole never take care of another elderly person again."

By Jill Smolowe.Alicia Dennis in St. Fancisville
[sorry for typos]


I feel so bad for everyone involved, its still such a mess there, if another hurricane hits in that area, it wont be any better a situation than in 2005. :no I just dont understand what lawmakers are doing to make it better. There is a picture of one of the rooms filled with water and mattress' floating around. The caption says some of the homes survivors floated to safety on them. :tears

Kiser'sBabe
09-01-2007, 11:21 PM
That is so sad.

foreverurz23
09-01-2007, 11:21 PM
well lets just pray that they will have some better condinations on what they are going to do next time. i think its everyones faults becuase everyone panicked. they had a women (care giver) from one of the nursing home that had stayed with 5 olderly people in a nursing home and comforted them becuase the water was rising, all the doctors or caregivers had ran out in panick and she just stayed there to say goodbye becuase there was nothing that she could do for them by her self.

delilah
09-01-2007, 11:23 PM
hard to read.

guynavywife
09-01-2007, 11:26 PM
Has anyone answered the question of where they could have been taken? WHere would have had the facilities to care for these people? could they have gotten out since everyone else was evacuating also?
What about the adult children's responsibility to their parents who were in the home? Should the children have gone to secure their own parents?

The sad part is that in this society we have all been trained to play the blame game, and to hold everyone but ourselves responsible. What is being gained by this trial and the civil trial to collect insurance money which will surely follow?

I doubt that this couple will try to open a home again.
What are the odds of a hurricane happening like this again and the levees failing, and no one leaving?

Sadly, everyone here is to be pitied.

chelsea<3josh
09-01-2007, 11:28 PM
i actually read that article today, and the beginning where they told the one family that they would make sure to evacuate the father if they needed to broke my heart because the father did not want to be left there. those people are rediculous!! they should get in trouble, they were neglectful. :sadeyes :( :tears

Veronica
09-01-2007, 11:29 PM
hard to read.

I know its long. You dont have to read it. Basically its about a nursing home that didnt evacuate during katrina. 34 residents drown. The owners of the home are being charged with manslaughter, and the article is showing both sides of the coin. Should they be charged since the state or parrish never issued an MANDATORY evac.? Or were they negligent? Anyway, its pretty interesting to me, thats why I took the time to type that out myself. Sorry its hard for you to read.

delilah
09-01-2007, 11:30 PM
i think it's sad that people are blaming the ones who run the home even though they chose to stay behind and do the best they could.

Shaky
09-01-2007, 11:32 PM
I didn't read the whole thing just cause I know how sad this is :(

ChewiesBaby
09-01-2007, 11:33 PM
New Orleans is already under sea level, there is no high ground. Had I had a loved one in a nursing home there, I would have evacuated them well in advance of the Cat5 Hurricane's landfall, no question. The hurricane engulfed the entire Gulf of Mexico. I think it's tragic. There is no way that I would walk away from my grandfather... him with tears in his eyes... knowing that he wanted to be with his family during that terrifying time.

Veronica
09-01-2007, 11:35 PM
New Orleans is already under sea level, there is no high ground. Had I had a loved one in a nursing home there, I would have evacuated them well in advance of the Cat5 Hurricane's landfall, no question. The hurricane engulfed the entire Gulf of Mexico. I think it's tragic. There is no way that I would walk away from my grandfather... him with tears in his eyes... knowing that he wanted to be with his family during that terrifying time.

I completely and totally AGREE with you. NEVER would I have left him there. NEVER.

patty33
09-01-2007, 11:42 PM
Very sad:(

ChewiesBaby
09-02-2007, 10:15 AM
Okay, let's say your child (which elderly are similar too since they are more or less dependent on others to look out for their well being) was at a daycare and you went to check on them before evacuating. The daycare said that they were going to handle it so you leave your child with them with tears in their eyes?? At some point, these family members need to bare some responsibility for their loved one's death.

USCGBoxerMom
09-02-2007, 10:26 AM
I agree...where is the family members responsibility in all this? They should have taken the elderly people with them when they evacuated. I don't know that they were necessarily "killers" but they certainly could have handled the situation different.

harrisonsdream
09-02-2007, 10:38 AM
New Orleans is already under sea level, there is no high ground. Had I had a loved one in a nursing home there, I would have evacuated them well in advance of the Cat5 Hurricane's landfall, no question. The hurricane engulfed the entire Gulf of Mexico. I think it's tragic. There is no way that I would walk away from my grandfather... him with tears in his eyes... knowing that he wanted to be with his family during that terrifying time.

i'll agree to that. the situation is very sad that's definitely true. i know people are trying to get it cleaned up but there is just so much to do and over half the population is still gone (i.e. dead, not returning, etc etc).

ChewiesBaby
09-02-2007, 10:13 PM
i'll agree to that. the situation is very sad that's definitely true. i know people are trying to get it cleaned up but there is just so much to do and over half the population is still gone (i.e. dead, not returning, etc etc).

Have you driven down 90 in Mississippi? You wanna see ghost towns, head that way...

harrisonsdream
09-02-2007, 10:29 PM
Have you driven down 90 in Mississippi? You wanna see ghost towns, head that way...

no i haven't but as morbid as it sounds i want to go see the damage that's still there in all the majorly hard hit areas of the gulf coast

Wicked
09-03-2007, 12:15 AM
The hurricane was a category 3 when it hit land in Louisiana, and while it did cause significant damage, the levee's breaking is what caused the massive destruction that devastated the area. If the citizens of this country don't hold the government responsible for the upkeep of things like levee's, then we can never expect to have them up to appropriate standards to do the job they were built to do. If Holland can have levee's all over that have a 1/10000 rating, why do the levee's in the US only have a 1/100 rating? We are the richest, most powerful, best country in the world right? Why are our levee's not at least as good as the ones in the Netherlands?

NavyLove4Ever
09-03-2007, 08:20 AM
very sad....it's awful that there is people like that out there.

ChewiesBaby
09-03-2007, 10:01 AM
The hurricane was a category 3 when it hit land in Louisiana, and while it did cause significant damage, the levee's breaking is what caused the massive destruction that devastated the area. If the citizens of this country don't hold the government responsible for the upkeep of things like levee's, then we can never expect to have them up to appropriate standards to do the job they were built to do. If Holland can have levee's all over that have a 1/10000 rating, why do the levee's in the US only have a 1/100 rating? We are the richest, most powerful, best country in the world right? Why are our levee's not at least as good as the ones in the Netherlands?


Because the city's government, in all it's glory, is crooked. There were millions on billions of dollars of federal funds allowed to NO for those levees and it was obviously not used for the purpose it was designated. Greed is the difference between Netherlands and the USA. Honest politicians are the exception to the rule. It's a sad day when the richest, most powerful, best country in the world is too busy looking in the mirror to take care of it's own...

Wicked
09-03-2007, 10:54 AM
Because the city's government, in all it's glory, is crooked. There were millions on billions of dollars of federal funds allowed to NO for those levees and it was obviously not used for the purpose it was designated. Greed is the difference between Netherlands and the USA. Honest politicians are the exception to the rule. It's a sad day when the richest, most powerful, best country in the world is too busy looking in the mirror to take care of it's own...

Totally agree! :tu Makes me very sad.

fridayheather
09-03-2007, 01:27 PM
Has anyone answered the question of where they could have been taken? WHere would have had the facilities to care for these people? could they have gotten out since everyone else was evacuating also?
What about the adult children's responsibility to their parents who were in the home? Should the children have gone to secure their own parents?

The sad part is that in this society we have all been trained to play the blame game, and to hold everyone but ourselves responsible. What is being gained by this trial and the civil trial to collect insurance money which will surely follow?

I doubt that this couple will try to open a home again.
What are the odds of a hurricane happening like this again and the levees failing, and no one leaving?

Sadly, everyone here is to be pitied.

I agree with you 100%. If that was my family member, I would've made damn sure if I was evacuating, they would be too (and not with the owner of their elderly care home either). Perfectly healthy and able people were not able to get out either with the chaos that ensued after the evacuation started, so I don't think it's right to point fingers at these owners when there are so many other factors.

Not only that, but I think that there are many other issues facing the area right now way more important than filing civil suits against people, like I don't know, maybe finding suitable LIVING quarters for those survivors who still live in those areas? My brother and his wife went with a missionary group two weeks ago to Mississippi to help rebuild and this is over 2 years later! People still don't have adequate living conditions in many areas but it's okay to tie up government money and time on lawsuits that would be better spent elsewhere.